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Comments by "Lawrence D’Oliveiro" (@lawrencedoliveiro9104) on "Stop Deleting Core Operating System Components!!" video.
13:23 Bear in mind on Linux, if there isn’t an official update for, say a binary in /usr/bin, I can install my own build from source in /usr/local/bin, which will hide it. It’s easy enough to remove that later, when the official binary is fixed. Similarly for libraries (though that might have more consequences I haven’t thought through here...)
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This is why they say, Windows is a great OS -- if your time is worth nothing.
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I wonder how you can commit to any compliance requirements for a piece of proprietary software that you don’t control. At best you can commit to “being up-to-date with all vendor patches” -- I can’t see how you can do better.
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Does Windows have a PID 1? More like it’s a “PID e10d8a4c-f756-4f2a-98f8-8d395aaadab6” or some rubbish like that.
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@BrodieRobertson You can also build your own packages and replace the official ones installed on your system with them. I did this once, years ago. The Debian version of zip was lacking some (obsolete?) compression algorithm that I needed, and I was able to rebuild the package with that enabled.
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@generallyunimportant I made it with uuidgen(1).
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@shaunpatrick8345 What “monolithic Linux installation” is this? I thought SLS disappeared back in the 1990s.
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Microsoft is increasingly providing patches that either don’t properly fix the problem, or cause new problems requiring further patches. Basically, the strategy of “wait for Microsoft to fix it” is getting harder to reconcile with the needs of mission-critical production systems.
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@iamme659 Because setting the {253f01e9-
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@iamme659 797} registry key to {a913e8b6-
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@iamme659 } is considered normal for Windows users, isn’t it.
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@shaunpatrick8345 The OP was describing Windows that way. Unless you were using the term, what’s the word, ironically ...
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@shaunpatrick8345 Maybe you should recheck what “contrast” means.
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@shaunpatrick8345 That difference is there all right, You still haven’t explained what this “monolithic Linux” you were talking about was.
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@shaunpatrick8345 The Linux systems the rest of us use certainly behave very differently. That’s why I’m curious about the one you claim to use -- why won’t you tell us about it?
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@shaunpatrick8345 Yes, I have done lots of Linux installs, for myself and my clients. I use it every day, and I make my living from it. That’s why I am completely mystified by your comments. What kind of experience do you have with it?
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@shaunpatrick8345 See, that’s what I mean. It’s like you come from a Bizarro world where SLS is still king. Or maybe you are still installing Red Hat (pre-RHEL), when it would install a lot of unneeded stuff by default (they stopped doing that a long time ago). Or maybe Ubuntu is like that (I don’t use Ubuntu, so I can’t say). Not that I’m saying you’re lying, but you’re going to need to be more specific about examples before you can be taken seriously. What exactly is this “monolithic Linux” you keep going on about?
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@shaunpatrick8345 You still haven’t answered the question I keep asking. On Debian or a derivative (even Ubuntu), you can tell the package that your perl executable comes from with a command as simple as dpkg-query -S $(type -p perl) From here, you can trace the dependencies back to find out what needs it. Everything is there for a reason, and if you don’t need that reason, you can remove it.
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Yes, Debian derivatives offer the “debsums” tool, that can verify installed files against the package they came from. And of course packages themselves are signed.
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@henlofren7321 And what do you do when an official Microsoft patch fails your acceptance testing? You can’t reject it outright: it’s simply going to stay in your pending queue until you give up and let it in.
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@henlofren7321 When was the last time Microsoft was successfully sued over the quality of its software?
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@henlofren7321 If those lawsuits were really successful, Microsoft couldn’t keep getting away with it, could it?
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