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@adriangallyot4193 I never said it was a "fluke". Obviously, aborigines survived for so long because they could adapt to different conditions and changes to the environment over a long period time.
It's all very subjective when you, like others who try to embellish the way of life of pre-settlement aborigines, insist on using words like "complex" and "sophisticated" (that's a favourite). What are you comparing it to? Chimpanzees using sticks to catch termites?
Most of the rest of humanity began moving out of a Paleolithic way of living more than 10'000 years ago. Australian aborigines never progressed beyond the use of the simplest of tools like stone axes and wooden spears. This is not complexity.
You use the term "navigation". I assume you are referring to on land because there is no evidence to show aborigines navigated the oceans to any significant degree. It is not really surprising, or impressive for that matter, that someone could find their way around a place they have occupied for tens of thousands of years.
The same could be said about the use of what is available in the environment for food, medicine etc. Except aborigines never learnt to use resources like iron of course.
The lack of natural human curiosity displayed is dumbfounding compared to what other humans were doing around the planet. So many other cultures show a keen interest in observing and recording the movement of celestial objects like the sun, moon and stars. There is almost zero evidence of this anywhere on the whole continent. (Yes, I know about the Dark Emu. Aborigines knew it's position in the sky in relation to different seasons). Big deal. Look at the systems of astronomy used by other societies like the Egyptians or the Mayans who built ACTUAL complex structures to align with the position of the sun or stars on particular days of the year. Mind blowing!
Elsewhere in the world where humans have inhabited, there is found in the archaeological layers a rapid progressive development of things like tools, weapons, pottery, architecture, carvings, adornments etc. This is non-existent in Australia. Almost exclusively we find shell middens or remnants of a hearth, basic stone tools and rock art.
The few places any kind of "structures" can be found they consist of piled rocks a person could lift easily with both hands. This is not sophisticated.
No written language, no wheel, no bow and arrows, no real understanding of the processes of the natural environment... tell me when to stop.
Name me one thing, an invention, an innovation or an idea that comes from pre-settlement aboriginal culture that tangibly benefits an average person in our modern society on a day to day basis.
I am assuming you probably "educated" yourself with books like Dark Emu by Bruce Pascoe who is not Aboriginal and whose work has been widely discredited.
The proof of what was here, is what there is to show it was here in the first place...or lack thereof.
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@ultravioletsus It has nothing to do with numbers of people. In Srebrenica, men and boys were rounded up and executed. They weren't warned in advance, they weren't told where to go to get out of harms way, they weren't accorded safe passage to leave. They were simply shot because they were Muslims. No fair-minded, rational person would say that this what is happening in Gaza.
What Hamas did on Oct 7 in Israel describes genocidal behaviour perfectly. They attacked communities of Jewish people with the sole purpose of killing as many people as possible; men, woman, babies, elderly, young, sick...anyone they came across. At the same time they raped, tortured, tormented and kidnapped hostages to take back to Gaza.
Hamas killed 1'200 Israelis in one day. Israel has been at war in Gaza for 100 days. Do you really believe if it was their intention to commit genocide, the death toll (according to Hamas) would be only 23'000 people?
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@AnthonyD-yy2in Australian's didn't care about his race until he started making it an issue. Like most people, I didn't even recognise him as having Aboriginal ancestry until he started talking about it...I just thought he was a great journalist who started using a solarium too much.
I don't know what your life experiences has been, but I have worked for decades in a wide variety of security roles working and interacting with a broad cross-section of the Australian community. This has included people from all parts of the world...different cultures, languages, customs, beliefs etc. I have also worked with many co-workers of Aboriginal background. No-one cares what race someone is, everybody just gets on with the job. It's live and let live. My perception is most people seem to get on well with each other.
Having said that, almost exclusively, the only people I have ever seen overtly racially abusing other people in a public setting is Aboriginals. I have witnessed them abusing every racial group imaginable. They even racially abuse each other...loudly, in public, in front of large groups of people. I have been called a "white c***" and a "white dog" literally hundreds of times over decades without ever initiating or responding with racial abuse. (I won't do that, it's just low hanging fruit). Every person I have ever worked with from a non-Caucasian background has a story about being racially abused by Aboriginals. Most Australians have witnessed this behaviour at sometime in their lives. That's why when commentators like Stan Grant and Craig Foster try to put a guilt trip on people it doesn't sit well.
It doesn't help when the media seems to have an almost blanket-ban on ever showing this behaviour when it is Aboriginals. When a Anglo-Australian is ever caught on camera being racist it is all over the news for days and made to seem like every time a non-Caucasian steps out of their front door, they get spat on or abused by evil "white" people.
This is not a true reflection of Australians or Australian society.
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@russellyork5853 I think the earth is round (or more specifically, spherical), because it seems logical in regards to the explanations given by popular science, the abundance of easily accessible evidence that is available, and by what I have seen and experienced in the world around me my whole life.
A bit of background information for context: From a young age I have always been a bit of a skeptic. If I blindly accepted something as "the truth" just because I was told it was, or because everyone around me believed it was, I would be a devout Roman-Catholic who goes to church every Sunday and prays to God. From the age of about 8 or 9 I began to question what I was being taught at school and in church about religion. This was because of the contradictions I saw between what I was being taught about religion and what I was being taught about science, as well as what I saw and experienced in my life. By the age of around 11, I had become completely skeptical to the point I didn't complete my religious studies by choosing not to get my confirmation. Fortunately, I had parents who were, although religious, open-minded enough to let me choose my own path. So, every week at school, I had to stand up in front of two classrooms of students and go to the library by myself during religious studies. The reason I am telling you this long-winded story is to show that even as a child, I have never accepted something as being true just because everyone around me: my family, my friends, my teachers, my priest, fellow students etc. think that it is. I listen to an explanation and decide if it makes logical sense before I fully accept it as factual.
In regards to the earth being spherical, I think that just what we can see day to day confirms this.
It makes sense to me that the earth is rotating because the sun always rises in the east and sets in the west. Today we can communicate in real time with people living on the other side of the planet, so I can contact someone when it is night-time where I am and they can confirm it is day-time where they are and vice-versa. This makes sense if the earth is spinning.
We can seen during a lunar eclipse , or any phase of the moon for that matter, the curve of the shadow of the earth caused by the sun's light being obscured by the earth. This makes sense if the earth is spherical. You can replicate this effect by shining a torch behind a ball towards a wall.
I live in Perth Australia. When I travel to Johannesburg South Africa, the sun is behind the plane because I am travelling east to west at night. When I travel to Bali Indonesia, the sun is to the side of the plane because I am travelling south to north during the day. This makes sense if the earth is spinning.
When I have flown in a plane at 11'000m I could see the curvature of the earth from my plane window. This makes sense if the earth is spherical.
When I have been at the top of high mountains, I can see much further than if I am at sea level looking over the ocean or a wide open space. This makes sense if the surface of the earth is curved, not flat.
I can see the difference in the position of the rising and setting sun during summer and winter. This makes sense if the planet wobbles on it's axis.
I can see and feel the difference in weather and temperature during the course of a year. This makes sense if the earth is orbiting around the sun while it wobbles.
There are people who have been to the moon and into space who testify to the shape of the earth and moon. This makes sense if they have actually done this.
It doesn't make sense to me that dozens of astronauts from different countries, thousands of people who work directly to enable space projects to happen, tens of thousands of scientists with expertise in different areas and educated in thousands of different universities in different countries across the world, virtually all the worlds reporters and media, different governments from different countries spread across multiple generations are all conspiring together to hide from the rest of the human population that the earth is flat.
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@usernotfound40412 I agree. That, to me, is the naivety of Western countries today. The idea that thousands of years of learned behaviours, cultural practices and accepted ways of thinking are suddenly going to be put aside and everyone will live happily ever after in one big, homogeneous global society just because we are all human, is wishful thinking.
Anyway, who really wants that? How dull would it be if everyone thought the same way, lived the same way, believed the same things, ate the same food, dressed the same etc. etc.
As the saying goes..."Variety is the very spice of life, That gives it all it's flavour"!
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@hedera1332 I don't know about you, but I personally didn't lose the desire to acquire knowledge just because I finished school. Just as you think my education only provided me with a "watered down" version of Aboriginal pre-settlement way of life, I know you have been educated with books like Dark Emu and The First Knowledges by authors like Bruce Pascoe, (an entirely non-aboriginal person who actually admits his books are stories, not factual), which completely over-embellish it.
I don't need to "look up" the detrimental effects of European farming practices, that is common knowledge and obvious to even a casual observer, but to say current farming practices are not sustainable is ridiculous because they have been supplying Australians with sustenance for hundreds of years as well as producing huge amounts of surplus that provides produce and livestock to millions of people in other parts of the world.
Of course, if you are applying the standard that anything that varies the environment from it's natural state is damaging to it, I don't see how you can overlook Aboriginal practices.
Aborigines drastically altered the natural landscape with their burning practices. This can been seen in the effect on vegetation displayed in the archaeological record. Just like every other place on Earth, the extinction of mega-fauna in Australia coincides closely with the arrival of modern humans.
The tools they used are no different to what other populations of humans were using 10'000 years ago. That in itself is staggering considering the 60'000+ years we are told they have been on this continent.
Aborigines were perhaps the most uninventive, unprogressive, undeveloped culture in the world, (relative to the length of time they have been around), at the time of European contact.
There is not a single invention, innovation or idea that comes from traditional Aboriginal culture that benefits modern Australian society in any tangible way. The suggestion that we should use Aboriginal farming practices today is bizarre. There is a reason the population of Australia today is over 26 million as opposed to the estimated 1 million before Europeans arrived.
Aboriginals have not had a unique experience in terms what happened after the arrival of Europeans. It is no different to what has occurred throughout human history...one group of humans dispossess another and either destroys, drives away or assimilates them. This happened to the "evil" Europeans as much as anyone else.
The only reason Aborigines stayed in a Palaeolithic way of life for so long was because of geographical isolation...nothing else. The argument that Aborigines didn't change because "they had everything they needed" is laughable and embarrassing, but often cited. Imagine if the rest of humanity applied the "if it's not broken, don't fix it" rule to life. We would all still be living in caves.
25% of the Australian land-mass has been returned to Aboriginals under the Land Rights Act. If their traditional way of life was so much preferable to the modern way of life, why aren't large numbers giving up what modern Australia provides and going back to living as they did for so long? The reason is of course obvious. To them, like yourself, the idea of giving up the comfort, safety and security that the modern way of life offers in Australia as opposed to living a predominantly nomadic hunter/gatherer lifestyle is horrifying...people know when they have it good.
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@b1LL1eMc I don't have disdain for Aboriginal people as individuals when I interact with them, (which is a lot by the way), I do have disdain for this intentional false narrative that has beeen pushed, ever increasingly on our society, that Aboriginal culture is an integral part of every Australian's day to day life.
I am staggered that your perception is there is no acknowledgement of Aboriginals. Putting aside these almost mandatory Welcoming ceremonies and Acknowledgement speeches, Aboriginals receive preferential treatment for employment, (especially government jobs), state housing, healthcare, welfare, grants, and application of the law, (judges and magistrates have to take into account a person's aboriginality when sentencing).
Businesses name their buildings with Aboriginal words and have their artwork and painting everywhere, (inside and outside), Aboriginal flags are flown alongside the actual flag of this country wherever it is displayed, (25 million dollars just to put the Aboriginal flag on the Sydney Harbour Bridge)!
Workplaces have mandatory Aboriginal culture modules staff have to complete, every year we have NAIDOC week, Sorry Day, Reconciliation Week to name a few, we find different sporting codes having so-called Indigenous rounds (recently Cricket Australia thought it was a good idea to make cricketers at the start of the season perform a ridiculous made-up ritual), there are indigenous only sporting events, Indigenous television channels, Indigenous radio stations, I could go on and on.
There has always been education in schools about Aboriginal culture. When I was in primary school in the 70's we were taught about way of life, cultural practices, spiritual beliefs and also about the killing of Aboriginals by Early Settlers. I remember reading the picture book about the Rainbow Serpent as a kid almost 45 years ago.
Aboriginal issues are spoken about daily in the media. Especially on the ABC and SBS.
At the start of ANZAC Day ceremonies Aboriginal ritual has been inserted even though it has nothing to do with ANZAC Day!
30 BILLION dollars is allocated to helping Aboriginals every year, this despite them making up a bit over 3% of the whole population. Totally disproportionate!
How can you possibly say "your people" are not recognised???
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@thevocalcrone Julian Assange started out as a very skilful computer hacker living a safe, comfortable life in the suburbs of Australia. He doesn't care about human rights. All he ever cared about was giving the middle finger to the U.S. He has never experienced living under an oppressive system like apartheid. He has never risked his life fighting to free his people from cruelty and injustice.
Yes, Mandela did commit acts of terrorism, but he put his life at great risk doing so, trying to end the subjugation and exploitation of his people.
You obviously have little understanding of deprivations Mandela had to endure.
Assange did everything from the safety of his keyboard. He has never been subject to the humilation, violence and mental and physical torture that Mandela was while he was on Robben Island and in other prisons.
Assange, by choice, hid in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, living in relative comfort and having all his basic needs provided for until he was moved to a prison after many years.
You have no idea if his actions have ever hurt anyone. He dumped, on a public forum, a vast amount of highly classified information, including the personal details of people working covertly in hostile environments without any regard for the risk to their lives if discovered.
Assange does not, and never will, inspire millions of people around the world with his courage, forgiveness and compassion for others.
Nelson Mandela was one of the greatest statesman of the modern era and had more dignity in the tip of his little finger than Julian Assange could ever show over a lifetime.
In their personalities, their life experiences, their motivation, their achievements, their influence on others; Nelson Mandela and Julian Assange are nothing alike...get some perspective!
(YouTube will delete this, no doubt). 😄
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@ashtonramsey386 Why would the creator of the whole universe need someone to punish for others transgressions, especially His own son? That's petty human emotions and behaviour...anger, revenge, sadism etc. You would think that would be beneath an all-seeing, all-knowing, all-powerful being wouldn't you? Tell me, if God is omniscient and omnipotent, why wouldn't He blame Himself when humans go astray? After all, He created us and He knows everything that will happen before it does. Essentially, He punishes humans for acting according to His design. It's the same as programming a computer to do the opposite of what it is instructed to then getting angry when it does so.
In effect, God creates us sick then commands us to get better.
Do you really think a "good father" is someone who wants to crucify His children when they are disobedient? I hope you don't have kids for their sake!
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@mathheadpaul8571 It's the reality of life on the planet Earth. The stronger and more adaptable dominate and flourish to the detriment of the weaker and less capable of adapting to change. It can't be looked at any other way. It's the same for animals, plants, insects, microbes...any living thing.
In terms of the human organism, it is bit hard to look at the last few hundred years of human history and not acknowledge Europeans have been dominant over others.
In the past, peoples from non-European areas of the planet have been dominant for a period of time, as will almost certainly happen again in the future.
The other point, in terms of perspective, is that Europeans have done just as bad (if not worse) things to themselves as they have done to others including slavery, torture, genocide and dispossession of property and territory. Just look at the suffering, misery and cruelty inflicted during WW1 and WW2 or The Inquisition.
Humans are in a constant state of conflict.
Why should people of European ancestry (White people) feel guilty because they happen to have been strong enough and resourceful enough to dominant and subjugate much larger populations of people with relatively few of their own?
Persians, Egyptians, Mongols, Chinese, Mayans, Incas, Songhai, Zulus etc. etc. are all allowed to be proud of their violent, conquering ancestral empires...why should the British have to pretend they are ashamed of theirs?
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@kieran2842 I know what you mean about censorship on this channel. 😄 I had a comment disappeared yesterday for literally just agreeing with the main comment, so I appreciate your efforts to respond.
In response, I will repeat the question you didn't answer. Even if the death toll is 200'000 (which it isn't), how do you account for the low number of deaths in a pre-war population of more than 2'000'000 if "genocide" is the aim?
During the Holocaust (an ACTUAL genocide) the Nazis could exterminate 10's of 1'000's of Jews in a few days using just bullets and a few dozen men! Not to mention the industrial scale murder of the death camps.
Of any group of people, you would think Jews would know what genocide is. How do you explain the IDF evacuating a million people out of Rafa before going in to destroy the Hamas presence there if their aim was to kill civilians? No army in history has done this during war.
It is the historical persecution of Jews that justifies the response to the pogrom of Oct 7 2023. "Never Again!" means just that, and as Benjamin Netanyahu stated "Never Again is now!"
Once that dark side of humanity comes out, it doesn't just stop. It expands exponentially like it did during the Holocaust and WW2 resulting in the deaths of tens of millions of people.
Israel is at the moment, the bulwark for the civilised world, holding back the spread of a savage, archaic ideology (Islamism) that would (by its own admission) spread across the world and force humanity to subjugate itself before it.
The world should be supporting Israel 's actions, not condemning them!
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