Comments by "Madam Vaudelune" (@madamvaudelune3298) on "Weird History" channel.

@billie-jeanmede2984 ? People in the US do it all the time because they are 'offended.' ( 150 y.o. statues). I can get behind moving the ugly thing to a museum though.
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@Dumbstuffwatcher The statues were constructed by the grieving sons of those who HAD no slaves, but had given an oath before God that they would follow their leaders into battle and die for their cause. Whether or not their cause was moral is not under debate. The Vietnam memorial was not constructed to honor a military-industrial complex that exploited that destroyed the lives of young American men, it was to honor those who died honorably. The average Confederate soldier fought because believed that God had given him that duty. Honor them, not their cause. It never occurred to me that a eulogyon a stone statue " from the grieving widows , orphans and mothers of Regiment12 Co. C. of the Army of the Confederacy. Taken from this Earth upon a field of honor, may we in Heaven be reunited. Grief. Loss. Yep ,sounds racist ..😑
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@alexwilliams5799 I am not defending racists or racism. I am defending the integrity of history itself, the right of a people to retain the truth and the obligation of a people to maintain the WHOLE truth, not an edited version to support an agenda. The idea that history must be put into a moral context to support the agenda of the state is part of Marxian dialectic. I see no reason to feel any way about history. Why you do is clear; it is a way to foment discord among the dissaffected. Keep people angry and you can keep society in a state of flux. But the pedulum swings both ways. Long periods of libertinage and social upheaval are generally followed by periods of rigid conservatism. We have but to wait.
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Here in Texas what we call the 'desert' near the Pecos, the native folk called the 'Supermarket.' The fish swam thick in the Pecos along with the turtle and other river critters of the edible sort. There is a type of root called 'mogollon" that is big as a yam. It has to roasted underground a couple of days but its sweet as molasses. Cactus apples in season grew more than could be eaten, along with soft-shell pecan and maypop. Some tribes collected the acorns that grow iff the live oak tree and made porridge and a kind of flat cake. Wild honey was harvested ( with clay pot of smoking herbs and a yard of guts).
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@HunterWoodlawn Germany has stones all overthe country that say'das opfern,' 'To the victims' .Thatis all they say. You really cannot compare the social dynamics in both countries, a CIVIL war pits a nation against itself. When the Vietnam war memorial was opened nobody suggested that it was honoring a military-industrial complex that destroyed a generation of young me . It was the men, not the ideal,that was honoured.
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Believe me, if I had been on the Titanic that night my drawers would NOT have been clean, regardless of the facilities.
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@janetseidlitz5976 Every state, at the time, had every right to disincorporate from the union.Abraham Lincoln was the father of federalism, basically a political strategy to strengthen the position of a centralized government. Whether this is good or bad, I will not discuss obviously the issue of slavery complcates the issue of state autonomy, but the South had every right to issue articles of Confederation.
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@joshschneider9766 The Vietnam War memorial celebrates the sacrifice AND service of the men-some in their teens- who died in the service of a military-business complex. THEY believed that they were fighting Communism. They died bravely. The Confederate boys. some as young as 14-at a time when literacy NOR public education was universal, believed that the Federalist north was anti-Christian and tyrannical. They died fighting for their country. They believed what they believed. and to out 19th century morality in a 21st century context is, well, stupid. The stutues represent what WAS. NOT what we wush could have been. Romans arent toppling stautes if Ceaser- care to guess how many slaves he brought to Rome?
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@Dumbstuffwatcher Just out of curiosity, where did you get the information about the consruction of thse monuments 'in a short period of timr' etc. I always find imprecise language a problem in such claims. What is 'short?' It is to be expected that grieving families and surviving friends erect monuments sooner rather than later. Source?
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@billie-jeanmede2984 I cannot speak for other countries.
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@louhortonsculpture So what??? What the f. did you expect a bunch of impoverished, grieving Southern orphans and war widows could afford, Michaelangelo??? You just a real bright one, you are, to think the grieving love any less because they couldn't afford any better. Just a shining example.
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@louhortonsculpture I have given you, so far, 1 .edu source and 1 .gov source. Academically acceptable. What are your sources? Or should we just take your word?
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@Artliker1234 Absolutely but some people think that shaking their fistat a stone horse's ass is a victory for their dead relatives. Who don't gi e a crap either way. Whether its dead slaves, dead Northern or dead Confederates, dead is dead and nothing you do for the dead eill profit them.
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@alexwilliams5799 They were fighting for what they believed was right. not what YOU believe is right. They fought. they died. Tearing down a statue wont change that.
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@alexwilliams5799 I was referrencing Puerto Rico, MY country. And thank you for the invitation to sit, but it seems to me that you make a great many claims without any sources. You might want yto correct that.
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Its Scottish. Its an ancestor of Fat Bastard..." You keep the money. Im gonna eat yer baby. Baby, the other white meat..."😂😂😂
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@louhortonsculpture And you make a hell of a lot of claims. And people who want to stay in their echo chamber, like you, just eat that sh. up. What perentage of whites owned slaves? A slave in good health of breeding age was the equivalent of 60,000 USD. You couldn't go down to Slavemart. Musta been some message on that time capsule, so damn inflamatory tou didn't even temember socialequality.duke/.edu claims that between 1-20% of the white population by STATE owned slaves. 1% owned most, up to 200 slaves. But that also includes BLACK slave owners, sorry, not a myth. And you STILL havent explained how that impacts the families and orphans and children of the men who laid down their lives for their state. You are going to havecto use the BIG crayons for me Daddy-O, to explain why they have NO RIGHT TO HONOR THEIR DEAD DADDIES, BROTHERS AND SONS. You damn right the South remained embittered and angry at the North. The first thing the North did was destroy any pretense the South had at rebuilding their communities, cities and economy by raising taxes and tariffs so high that it foreced even the poor off their ancestral land. Should they have been happy about it??
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@joshschneider9766 You are a Phd like I am a beauty queen. All history is history-what is written and what is left behind as concrete evidence The Etruscans didn't leave much written history behind, 'doctor.' Neither did the Huns or the Scythians, but I assure you they left statues (or graves or kurgans, grave mounds).. . If you were a 'Phd' in history you would know that up to the 19th century the ONLY written history of the Hittites was in the Bible-considered myth until thre Hittite civ. was unearthed. IF you were a Phd in history you would know that prior to the rise of Federalism each state had the absolute right to disincorporate, just as now they have the right to adjudicate ANY. legal or judicial matter not covered under the Constirution. (9th ammendment). So I call bs on your phony Phd. And your phony poser life. And your fake libtard virtue signaling.Now take your big 'L' down the walk of shame, clean out your cubicle and collect your final paycheck, poser. You're done.
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@joshschneider9766 We also ruled that blacj people were 'items of common merchandise' and that Japanese citizens of the USA were all suspect and belonged in concentration camps. Your point being?
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@joshschneider9766 They ALLhave plaques commemorating who died and whyere w. At least the ones I have seen. They usually do not designate each soldier by name, they state the regiment and the company. As you know 'dr.' dysentary and malnutrition and tb took as many as died on the battlefield.
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@alexwilliams5799 People aren't celebrating, numbskull. People are remembering, grieving, contemplating. A monument is not a celebration. It is a commemoration.The Cimiterio Monumentale di Staliegno inGenoa is about 5 square milesof tears and loss. The monument in Hiroshima wasn't put there because the population particularly enjoyed being blown to smithereens. It was to commemorate a tragedy. The senseless death of over 1 million men,Northern and Southern, brothers,was a tragedy. Nobody is gloating you sick fink.
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@alexwilliams5799 One side fought because they were CONSCRIPTED. They were not invited. Just like the Vietnam conflict, the movers and the finaciers behind the scenes had a definite interesti n maintaining a profitable 'status quo.' If you had ASKED. A simple Confederate soldier,he would have told he didn't give a damn about no n. "The North is bound and determined to undermine our right to do as we please on our own. Soil." Of course we feel different today. Many of us have read the Bible but that is hardly the ONLY book we have read. If you had been born on 1820,in the rural South, that is likely the only book your family possessed. You believed FERVENTLY in a loving God. You woyld have to to keep your sanity.You would have seen tiny brothers and sisters, Mama, Granny and Pawpaw die in agony. If slavery was in the Bible,why would you have questioned it? You seem to have empathy and sympathy for the enslaved African Americans, and how not? Only a monster would deny their suffering. But those poor free men who, in good faith and embracing the only creed they knew died, ignorant and exploited by the rich, should not be denied their place in history. I have no ax to grind. My Mama's people came from Germany in the 1870s and my Daddy from Puerto Rico in the 1940s. The US treatment of Puerto Rico is best discussed in the book 'WAR AGAINST ALL PUERTO RICANS' (Nelson A. Denis). The young Americans who in 1898 captured our Island had no idea that they weren't "liberating" us. That is the nature of HUMAN culture. Puerto Rico was liberated by the US who liberated us from the Spanish who liberated us from the 'heathen' indians as they were 'liberated' from the moor by the Spanish king and queen, who before were liberated by the Romans who liberated the Iberians. How far back do you want to go?
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@alexwilliams5799 Your over-simplification does only one thing: it feeds an agenda that DEMANDS that the poorly-educated products of our public schools be given a reason to rally to a cause. You have no interest in history. You have an interest in furthering a conflict from which you can profit. In the words of the great Booker T. Washington ' There is a kind of racial conflict "doctor" who profits from keeping the patient sick, that he may continue to collect a handsome fee while effectuating no cure." No war ever fought had ANYTHING but economics as its ultimate cause-and that comes from Karl Marx. The far-left agenda actually needs a cause nearly 2 hundred years old to sustain its war on the establishment. History is history. The dead are dead,both the good and the bad. They can neither help nor harm you. Deal with it.
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@alexwilliams5799 No hostility. Just a man and his times and the pathetic excuse for an education he was given.You can easily ask a Vietnam veteran if he was fighting for the military-industrial complex that drove his country's economy. If you do, he will tell you that he eas fighting 'for freedom' and 'against Communism.'
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@alexwilliams5799 lolol liar, liar pantsvon fire. In 1863, Jefferson Davis and his wartime cabinet passed the Acts of Subscription. An intitial 100, 000volunteers were woefully inadequate. 400,000 men were conscripted. All males beqeen 15 and 45 must register including any resident alien ( irish in particular) who wanted to become US citizens. So much for that. And while the parallels between the Civil War and Vietnam are lost on you, there are painfully clear similarities. They were BOTH rich man's war fought by the poor. Poor people bore the flag and the cross and died for a 'noble cause' that wasn't noble, it was a facade on both sides: slavery for the South, control and federalism for thw North. Then n. word then and now is wielded for the same reason: the user is ignorant and knows no better.
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@alexwilliams5799 The n. Word then and now is used for the same reason The user is ignorant and pitiful and knows no better.
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@alexwilliams5799 When have I denie that it was??? You are so committed to an agenda that you cannot even read. That is to say, that is not how the PARTICIPANTS in this conflict saw it. Abraham Lincoln wanted to preserve the Union. He was morally opposed to slavery. The South did. Not want the concept of federalism or the loss of their rights-among them, among them the right to have slaves. The powerful on each side used the poor to fight this war. Your Pinocchio-nose lie about conscription notwithstanding.
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@Who Cares? Nathan Bedford Forrest foundrd the KKK.I am not aware if he has a statue or not. If it exists it should stay right where it is- with an ADDITIONAL plaque in English, Spanish,Mandarin Vietnamese Korean Navajo and Oglala Sioux, detailing his works, in a factual way. No hype, no diatribe. And let people know what is TRUE, no 1984 Orwellian thought-crimes speech about how they should think. You will quite surprised about how some cultures feel about the social acceptability of race, butthe liberals won't talk about Asian racial mores and values. And THEY are most of the people on this Earth.
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@alexwilliams5799 I've met Dale Chihuly and I promise you he wouldn't be impressed by this poser.
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@alexwilliams5799 Mr. Josh 'the dr. of history.' Read the whole thread. Somebody stupid enough to flex phony academic credentials at me. His premise that all history is is books and that I should limit myself to reading them got him put over my knee and soundly spanked. You don't flex credentials you cannot substantiate.
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@daminox Rest assured that MANY Confederate veterans THEIR children. THEIR grandchildren were very much ali e during the 1920s. A nan who was in his 20s during the Civil War would be in his 70s during the 1920s. Math much? In fact you can see newsreels of the 1920s with Confederate veterans marching. Memorials to Vietnam veterans are still being built that was nearly 50 yrs. ago. The daughters of the Confederacy were formed to raise mony for these memorials. You Nazi comparison is beneath contempt.
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@daminox "Noconnection tothe war itself?" You and 'dr.' Josh on this threadmust be the same person. To join this organization YOU HAD TO BE THE WIDOW, DAUGHTER OR GRANDDAUGHTER OF A CONFEDERATE SOLDIER.Look it up for G. sake. And in the 1920s a man who fought at Chicamaugha or Little Round Top would have been in his 70s. And many, many boys in their early teens were rounded up and pressed into conscription. You don't read. You don't research. You are 'educated' by a group of liberal political hacks who DO understand Marxian dialectic. For the Marxist, factual historical information is irrelevant. The 'truth' is whatever furthers the aims of the Communist party. The 'truth' is whatever furthers your agenda. The economic ruin of the South, the fact that the South was still 90% agricultural and the Great Depression kinda put monument building on the back burner. But as these old soldiers began to die out, their children, widows, grandchildren, began to memorialize them, to acknowledge their courage and duty to a state they pledged, before God, to serve. In the 19th century a pledge before God bound a man to the destiny of his soul. You have no concept of the depth of such a pledge.
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@daminox Citation? Any evidendence whatsoever that you are not ' monumentally ' full of sh.? Didnt think so.
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