Comments by "F Liu" (@F_Liu) on "The Jimmy Dore Show"
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It depends on who you spoke to, the students who were on the square and went to America are the ones who were sponsored by the US to stir up emotions among young students and most students were being fooled into with the democracy and freedom message and being used. The female student leader Chai Ling in an interview with the CNN openly said she wanted to push the students and eventually see bloodshed on the square, and she would leave China for America when things gets messy, other main student leaders claimed later they didn't see any massacre and they actually left the square peacefully after making a deal with the army, who were ordered not to shoot or had no bullet in their arms. These student leaders even said do we have to lie to achieve our goal? Your friend didn't tell you that many many unarmed army soldiers got murdered, burnt alive, hung and cut open by rioters when the protests turned violent, properties smashed, the streets were full of bricks, I was there, I saw the chaos, it was not anything any Western country could tolerate for a second. There were deaths, including students, I am not denying it, but they mostly occurred during the violent confrontations with the army sent in to keep peace as rioters were spreading rumours and lies that the soldiers were sent in to kill civilians where they were not even armed and given orders not to use them. I am Chinese from Beijing, if you can read Chinese, I can tell you there were way more people in numbers who were on the square a member of the protest telling a totally different story from yours. To be clear, Danny is absolutely right, it was a failed colour revolution incited by the US, tons of evidence of their involvement using university intellectuals to incite uprising, the students were used, not to say there weren't problems with the Chinese government at that time, but it was not about democracy freedom and all the other things that the US does not actually give a shit about, it was about overthrowing the Chinese government for the interests of the US. Something your country does over and over, stop defending for it. BTW it is Tian An Men Square, learn to spell it right to start with, act like you actually care, lol.
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@josephvargas7806 You contradicted yourself, China changed its governments in charge doesn't mean the country's territories changed nor it means each different government/party ruled China became a different independent country, Republic of China and later People's Republic of China both just different periods of the same ONE China, just like all the different dynasties of China, no matter the name, China is the same China. Not only you put out here bs history, you also have weired idea of when a country has a change of government, it is like saying, each time the US has a different government/party, it becomes an new country from the previous one, NO it doesn't. The territory remains the same the country remains the same country no matter who is ruling over, only a part of a country's territory can declare/become independent, and Taiwan has NEVER declared and become independent EVER.
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@josephvargas7806 Formosa, lol, you sound like some Portuguese colonisers desperately trying to get it back, but dream on buddy. It's been called Taiwan, part of Fujian province of China, a province officially under the Qing rule since 1600s, ruled also by previous Chinese dynasties since 1300s who kicked out of Western invaders and colonisers. It was Qing's to start with that was how it could cede control to Japan in an unfair treaty, and if you bothered to read my comment, Japan returned Taiwan, a Chinese territory illegally gained by Japan through its illegal imperialist wars with Qing back to ROC who inherited all Qing's territories. Stop trying to rewrite history, you are pathetic
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@josephvargas7806 Are you THICK? Qing China IS China, ROC IS China, PRC IS China, they are all the same ONE county called China owning the same historical territories. All China's historical territories are automatically transferred into the next ruling government, no matter the name. PRC China is the sole legitimate representative of the ONE China recognised by the United Nations, which means all Chinese historical territories belong to PRC and ROC too, Taiwan belongs to the ROC, Taiwan is a province of ROC, therefore a province of the PRC too, ROC is NOT a legitimate representative recognised by the United Nation, neither by the majority of UN member countries including the US, UK and all other Western countries. Taiwan is NOT and has NEVER been an independent country, it is a province of China, the PRC government represented China. No matter how hard you try to say otherwise.
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@brasshouse-fireball Well I hope you are not an American or from an ''ally'' country of the American empire. Because the reality is that the US/Western imperialism is spread in your names, your democratic vote put your government and their imperialist policies there. So in that sense, you don't have the moral superiority. I am from a country that has suffered and is suffering Western imperialism. Russia might have imperialistic ambitions but by far, well until 3 days ago, the West has been a way worse imperialistic power, invading and colonising countries and regions far away from ''home'' for no legitimate reason. About the speech, I would argue that all these ex soviet member countries Putin was talking about all had strong ties either ethnically or ideologically to Russia, to want to restore the ''empire'' that as a matter of fact broken up by the West, all because Russia at the time naively believed it would be welcomed as a part of the West once it became a capitalist country, but it turns out, today Russia is still considered the West's enemy and getting encircled by NATO. Again, I think it is wrong to invade a country for any reason but I think that was the sentiment expressed in Putin's speech, a sense of resentment towards the West, which I completely understand.
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@brasshouse-fireball Well, I knew you would be repeating all your MSM bs talking points on China as most brainwashed Americans do. That 100 million number is complete nonsense because that would be 1 in 4 people of the population then has died, no one in my family nor anyone I know died in the famines, because China went on to almost quadrupled its population in just 60 years, so no that number is just bs, and if anything Western sanctions contributed to the event, oh yes, this is another great deed your country is doing all over the world, literally starving people from food and medicine with its sanctions everywhere. Also the Tiananmen square massacre never happened, revealed by your own state department leaked cables, another lie fabricated by your government for the past 30 years. The US incited the Hong Kong violent riot and colour revolution in 2019, and of course it was the British empire who stole Hong Kong off China by forcing the Chinese to take its opium and when China refused it just bombed its shore, so yes for someone clearly not interested in history, all that is not important to you, your country together with other imperialist powers have been the root cause for most human suffering on planet earth, at least a million people have died from your middle east wars, a mere sorry is far from enough. This is what I mean, you have absolutely no moral authority to lecture anyone.
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