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@gregoryjones2457 I am not an expert of anything and I don't study into fine details of these research articles, I just summarise what I think was important and interesting from my Chinese sources. So about the latest autopsy carried out by Dr Liu Liang, I didn't find any English article about it, maybe it is out there but I did watch an interview by him to the Chinese state TV and there are some articles in Chinese about his findings. I used google translate to translate part of this article (http://m.xinhuanet.com/2020-03/03/c_1125658547.htm) I found online in a very quick search and quote below (I would not know if the translation is accurate as I am not a medical expert and don't know these terms) : ''The report said that the damages to the lungs of the deceased were obvious. The inflammatory lesions (grey-white lesions) were concentrated to the left lung, and the lungs were visually patchy. Gray-white lesions and dark red bleeding were visible. A large number of sticky secretions overflowed from the alveolar surface and fibrous strands were seen on the section.
Consider that the ground-glass opacities seen in imaging correspond to the gray-white alveolar lesions seen by the naked eye, suggesting that neo-coronary pneumonia mainly causes inflammatory reactions characterized by deep airway and alveolar damage.
The report believes that the pathological features of neocoronary pneumonia are very similar to those caused by SARS and MERS coronaviruses. However, from the general observation of systematic anatomy in this case, pulmonary fibrosis and consolidation are not as serious as those caused by SARS, and the exudative response is more significant than SARS. It may be related to the fact that this patient has only 15 days from diagnosis to death and a shorter course of disease, and more systemic corpse examination data and histopathological verification are needed.
Liu Liang's team found that from the section of the lungs of the deceased, mucus secretions could be seen. Liu Liang made an analogy: alveoli are like the front-line battlefield, mucus disrupts traffic, oxygen cannot be sent, and front-line positions are easily lost. At present, ''road'' opening is the key, but now ''roads'' are blocked.
An autopsy does not guide medical staff to intervene in all cases, but for lung mucus problems, you only need to dilute the alveolar mucus, such as turning back and patting the back, using sputum medication, can change the situation.''
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The following is a comment reply I received earlier, please read it and pass this message to more people.
安之若素
I am in China and this is a preparatory disease and no one encourages wearing face mask in the UK as preventative measures but only washing hands which is to my surprise. The statistics in China is that 50% of the patient do not have high fever at the start and even with no symptoms but very contagious during the incubation period (14-28). People get infected in just 15 seconds interactions. 1/5 will develop sever conditions which need to be looked after at intensive care/ critical care and 60% of these serve cases will result in death. Pls. keep in mind that in 2 months, China has built 2 new hospitals ( 2000 beds ) and 25 container hospitals for containing the virus of the infected. 40K medical staff had poured into Hubei with its own 150K medical staff.
Sth more from a person from wuhan
I'm a Chinese from Wuhan, I hope anyone who sees my message understand/spread out my message that all big metropolitan cities around the world should adopt measures such as the 1000-bed makeshift hospitals that accommodate the coronavirus carriers(including asymptomatic and suspected cases) to prevent more healthy people from being infected . Don't let those mild/asymptomatic virus carriers off home because they will infect their family members if they don't live alone. The coronavirus has long incubation period (can be up to 24 days, before people realise they are infected), and long therapeutic period (which means occupation of the hospital resources for too long/per patient in hospitals), mild-severe patients will soon flood hospitals needing some level of medical intervention, but hospital beds won't be enough in any metropolitan city (Korea/Italy are both already experiencing tsunami of incoming COVID-19 patients in hospitals, which is exactly what Wuhan hospitals started to experience in mid-January until recently, a month after Wuhan lock-down). If these mild to mid-severe patients can't be treated in time by professionals, many of them will develop into severe-critical condition patients, and may die eventually although they could be saved if medical intervention came available earlier in their illness development. The only effective measure to stem the spread of the virus, and to lessen pressure on public health infrastructure is to identify anyone who may have been infected (adding the result of Computed Tomography Scan result showing lungs infection images into clinical diagnostic criteria to aid diagnose, relying solely on virus test lab results could be misleading and wrongly releasing virus carriers into society, which in turn seed the possibility of more people infected) , isolate them into quarantine locations stringently and immediately. This is the only way to reduce the amount of people that may die caused by lack of medical resources. Otherwise the death rate of the COVID-19 will be far higher than 2%.
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China: Proper lockdown and strict quarantine measures taken very early on, nationwide effort with EVERYONE taking part to stay at home and 40,000 doctors and planes and planes load of supplies sent to Wuhan from all over China, build 2 hospitals in 10 days, fought it like a war.
West: Spent over 2 month smearing, demonising and criticising China and in the mean time did nothing to stop virus from spreading, no checks no quarantines for passengers coming in from ports, no preparation of mass testing, no preparation of PPE equipments, not informing its citizens of the seriousness of the disease even they knew full well about it since early January.
Conclusion: The West: total out of control outbreaks with out of control infections and death numbers. China: largely contained outbreak which limited deaths and infections to a few cities in a single province. Yeah that is why the numbers are not comparable, totally two different situations we are looking at here.
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April, 2019: New York City Quietly Conducted An EBOLA DRILL Shortly Before Congo Migrant Surge
August, 2019: Over Safety Concerns, Deadly Germ Research Is Shut Down at United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, in Fort Detrick, Maryland
August, 2019: Reports of cluster of pneumonia like illness showing all symptoms as Covid-19 in Maryland near Fort Detrick.
October, 2019: clinical report of unknown pneumonia, CDC claimed electric smoking as possible cause.
Oct. 18: Event 201, high-level pandemic drill was held in New York city, New York. CIA director attended.
fact: CDC estimate 10,000 deaths in USA already occurred at the start of flu season Sept-Dec 2019
fact: a doctor in Washington State happen to be taking swabs for flu (INFLUENZA) for a study while monitoring flu deaths
fact: by the time COVID-19 was recognized surfacing in China; the doctor re-examined flu samples in Washington State discover COVID-19 already PRESENT earlier in 2019 from deaths MIS-ATTRIBUTED to INFLUENZA from those who DIED but NEVER been to CHINA ... this doctor in USA was TOLD (by local/state authorities) to STOP CHECKING past deaths !!! (SILENCED to cover up the facts ... just like in USA before!)
fact: CDC estimate 12,000 more deaths, totally over 22,000 deaths in USA already occurred by the time flu season Jan-Feb/Early March 2020
fact: ONLY USA has ALL EARLIEST COVID-19 strains BEFORE others had "only later strains" that can only come from earlier strains !!!
USA: COVID-19 Strains A, B, C, D, E ... (yup, oldest A to latest E) USA has them all ... no surprise; they can't bother to sort out INFLUENZA deaths from COVID-19 deaths because they didn't know it was already killing thousands of Americans back in 2019 (they don't do much testing; at least when not expecting it; to them all respiratory deaths look the same)
Others: COVID-19 Strains = some B, some, C, some D, some E, some a mix of B/C/D/E ... NONE have A (USA Exclusive)
(like China, Korea, Japan, SE Asia, South Asia, UK, Europe, etc)
RIGHT NOW, USA still cannot adequately test for COVID-19 in 2020 March, so they still cannot tell the difference between INFLUENZA DEATHS ... from COVID-19 deaths !!!
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McDonalds Farmer You are full of BS you know it, what make you think my government is the Chinese government, I live in the UK, so the government responsible for these massive screw up is the British government, and about China, it is laughable to suggest China ''allowed'' the virus to spread when clearly it was not the case. When China sealed of all the ports of the epicenter Wuhan very early to prevent spreads your incompetent UK government allowed travellers from affected countries( not only China) to come in without any checks and quarantines therefore spreads began. In fact the imported cases to the UK from China was less then 10 and was reduced to zero by the beginning of Feb. The mass spread started when people travelled to all over Europe from Italy when their patient zero had no travel connection with China at all, you know this so stop accusing the Chinese, your lying government had 3 months to prepare since the Chinese told the WHO on 3rd Jan a pandemic is taking place but ignored the seriousness of it and failed to get ready including getting the tests and PPE ready, now you have the cheek asking the Chinese to provide them for free and blaming them for this failure, so since when China is responsible for the internal affairs of the UK? Talking about paying back, what about the UK return all the looted treasures and compensate the Chinese for all losses over the Opium War as Britain was nothing but the world biggest drug dealer! Now shut the f up and enjoy more deaths caused by your failed government and get your share of herd immunity as you are treated as such!
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