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Some, actually a lot of ''Westerners'' have no idea of how condescending when they say they love the Chinese people and culture but hate the CCP, and say the best thing will happen to China is when the Chinese people rise up to overthrow the CCP. As a Chinese I hate this type of saviour complex I reject it outright. Chinese people are perfectly capable of managing their own affairs, how China is run is an internal business of the Chinese people. It would be funny if one day China becomes a ''democratic'' country and the CCP won the election, well I can already imagine what the West is going to say about that.
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@patrikpass2962 Fear sells, and the West has an irrational fear of communism, but what is funny, apart from the name of the party, there is nothing communism about China, China is a part capitalist part socialist country and is not interested in exporting its values, and btw, there are plenty critical voices in the Chinese social media, most Chinese support their government and there are many ways to get their opinions heard, shouting loud insults to their leaders in groups in the middle of the street is usually not one of them.
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@patrikpass2962 You know nothing about China, have you been to China? Have you ever lived there?
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@stevewilson5292 I support the party and the Chinese government, yes I do, and you think this action removes my credibility, OK, this is quite a narrow minded view to say the least, but I know you have your bias and I know your reason behind it. I clearly stated that the ''democracy'' implemented in China is not the same as how the West has generally defined it. Yes I am aware that you were giving possibilities of the level of engagement one could have in their residence country but your point was to discredit me. I tell you your beliefs are wrong, you don't have to take on my opinion, but I still have the right to tell you. I will also tell you that I am a Chinese and I have seen and experienced the good and bad of both systems to make my own judgement and again you don't have to agree, but at least make your claims based on facts and knowledge not on baseless assumptions or words from your media with an agenda. It is really not that hard to do.
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@naiyomotion The Chinese people are capable of thinking for themselves, if their government is not longer working for the benefit of the people, they will make their voices heard and make their point across, they don't need help from outside forces. Unless you think you know better than the Chinese because you think everything about your culture, value, system is superior, I am not sure. And also, what make you think you know what the Chinese need and want more than the Chinese themselves?
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@naiyomotion No Chinese forced you to like their system, and no one accused you of bigotry against the Chinese, unless you feel guilty of something, I don't know what you are worrying about?
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@naiyomotion Did I say you have no right to have an opinion about China/Chinese government, but please form that opinion on facts, knowledge and in context instead of ignorance which too many people do. What is annoying to the Chinese is uninformed opinions that only fan even more hate and misunderstandings, this is the point, and again unrealistic suggestions that don't suit the Chinese culture and mindset are just empty rhetoric that are not helpful in any shape or form, again what make you think you know better than Chinese themselves what is good for them?
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@stevewilson5292 Well China is already a democratic country, it is called socialist consultatory democracy, the West doesn't get to define democracy, and the Western style of democracy has many flaws, so eventually China will have something that suits its own unique situation rather than blindly copy the West.
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@naiyomotion It is very good to know you don't belong to the ignorant group of Westerners and I appreciate your opinions more now since you claim to know China well, I don't have any problem with different opinions my point is that Chinese people don't need outside forces or influences to make changes within, because I believe they are capable of doing this themselves when the need is due. I myself also lived in the West for 20 years, there are many things in the Western systems are not working well for the society and I see many failings could be very detrimental in creating a society that will damage people and country's interests, in other words, a system that is not competitive compare to China, but of course if that was the objective. China is not perfect and has many issues but may I ask what are your primary concerns or issues about China's system or how China is run?
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@stevewilson5292 Another false indoctrinated belief, clearly you weren't offered the freedom to believe anything other than the officially promoted narrative, or you just choose to be in the dark.
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@stevewilson5292 You spent an entire long paragraph giving baseless assumptions of the degree of ''engagement'' I have had about my residence both in China and the West for the purpose of dismissing my credibility. But by doing so it does not in any shape or form substantiate credibility about your knowledge and understandings about China, this is just a futile exercise. My question to you simply is have you lived at least a year in China? If no is the answer then that is sufficient for me to judge everything you have claimed about it. I have no desire to prove my degree of engagement to you because you will discredit me regardless so it is pointless, as you have deflected topics at hand several times already proved my point.
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@stevewilson5292 So tell me how and where do you gather your information about China? Your might not have formed your opinions based on Western media but nevertheless you repeat the same talking points that are pushed out by them which many are untrue. Would you agree the best way to form an opinion is either by being in a country in person or getting information from someone who is living in/from that country of course if we trust that they are telling the truth. You have never been to China and you claim you know better about China than a person who lived there for 20 years, you seriously can't be telling me that anyone is going to be convinced about this argument, can you? I have not discredited you, your own words revealed your ignorance.
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@stevewilson5292 You know what, I realised you are not going to change your opinions about China which most people like you usually don't, so we should just stop here and farewell.
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Have you ever talked to Chinese people in China why they are happy and support their government? It is no good imagining or assuming their reasons with your preconceived bias, you will never understand another country if you try to think with the mindset that was given to your by your society. China is not Soviet, and China is not the West. And if you really want to find out if people in North Korea is happy then I think the best way is talk to the people there or see it for yourself instead of imagining it. A logic is not faulty if it goes along with your preconceived bias, why do we bother to hear other people's perspective then?
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@stevewilson5292 Well, no offense but I don't really care what Winston Churchill has to say on democracy or anything and about your claim "Ignore if possible, jail or execute only if necessary" would be the humane approach, eh ? Let me just say this is your false indoctrinated beliefs but do feel free to believe what you want, words like that always make me laugh, I have to say China achieved an amazing success becoming the second largest economy after killing and jailing all dissenting voices, LOL.
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@stevewilson5292 And the difference is I lived in China and the West 20 years each, and I know both narratives, but you however can't claim the same I am certain.
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@georwoogle Thank you, I can only go by what I have learnt through my own experience in both China and the West, everyone has different experiences so they will form their own unique opinions. China is not perfect, but I see China has done many things right, China has been learning a lot from other countries, especially from the West, the West could learn a thing or two from China as well, but when it comes to what system would be the best for China/Chinese people, I believe it is up to the Chinese and their government together to figure it out. And the same apply to any Western country.
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@stevewilson5292 I don't see any connection between the two statement, I am asking you where you get your info about China simply because you didn't want to make it clear in your previous reply for whatever the reason. And my ''degree of engagement'' refers to your suggestion that I might not understand the West very well if I had only lived in a bubble with limited interactions with the wider society, but I don't need to prove the level of engagement of my life in the West because I feel it won't make much difference to how you think of me.
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@suigeneris2663 Wow, talking about being condescending, funny everything you described about China can be applied to the US, but it is only too hard for you to think that way as you have zero awareness.
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