Comments by "F Liu" (@F_Liu) on "Geopolitical Economy Report"
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The US desperately seeks excuses to sanction China, however the sanctions would eventually fail as with Russia and backfire massively. If China is forced to take Taiwan back by force (this would only happen if the US breaks the ''One China Policy'', i.e. recognises Taiwan independence and establishes official diplomatic relations with it), it would still have the support of most non Western countries, as they recognise and follow the ''One China Policy''. China/the Chinese government can not afford to lose a war fought on China's shore and lose territory, but what will happen to the US hegemony if the US loses it, again (I know the Americans have a short memory that they don't remember they lost the Korean war to the Chinese). One thing is for sure, China is not going to drag the war on, it will be quick and decisive, everything in the way will be destroyed. China has been preparing for this for years, is the US ready?
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@roberthealey7238 ''All previous iterations of low cost workers worked hard as well; where do you think the US got its wealth from?'' No one here is denying the fact that American/European workers had worked hard, however a lot of the wealth/investments transferred into the US were collected (many occasions looted) through brutal European colonialization/aggression/slavery around the world. The US invested (not doing charity) in China in the late 70s for its own material and monetary gains (taking advantages of the competitive and well trained Chinese labour) plus the US was seeking to get China on its side to help winning the Cold War against Soviet Union at the time. Quite different circumstances.
''China will now have its wealth taken away by other Asian countries and Africa, joining the long line of history of nations that lost their wealth due to out of control greed and arrogance. China was already starting to lose manufacturing to India, Vietnam and even Mexico before the plague hit.'' This is not quite the case. The US/West wished they could decouple with China this easily, but the simple reality is that they have not been able to. In fact, many of these low end manufacturing facilities across Asia have been set up by Chinese business owners (partly to avoid US economic sanctions: the US just don't seem to want people of the developing world to live a better life), and because China still has the complete supply chain in place, many of these businesses find it hard to operate, plus infrastructures and labour quality is very poor in countries such as India. It will take a long while before China is replaced in this regard. China still provides the most favourable business environment for Western investments, hence more have come to invest despite all the anti China rhetoric. And another point is most Chinese youth would NOT want to work in manufacturings anymore, therefore, it won't be such a loss when some will eventually be moved abroad. And the Chinese have already been investing in Africa, Latin America, South East Asia, etc... That has always been China's goal, to lead the economic development of the entire global south so they could be free from Western economic domination (based on greed and exploitation).
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@colindant3410 I am not sure you understand what truly happened in Hong Kong, because what has been reflected through the Western media was largely one sided, if you had witnessed on the ground of what really happened (all the horrendous things took place that were deliberately hidden by your MSM: people got set on fire and burnt alive for speaking against the rioters, beaten up just for speaking Chinese Mandarin rather than Cantonese, beaten up for singing the Chinese national anthem, police officers had molotov cocktails thrown at them trying to burn them alive... I have evidence the rioters were supported by the Western governments' agencies). You would know that it was clearly the West who disrespected the people of Hong Kong by using them as tools for the purpose of creating instabilities in China both economically and politically (yes, it was a colour revolution). In fact, the US slapped economic sanctions on Hong Kong after the ''peaceful protests'' so that the people of Hong Kong would suffer.
Hey, do you think that the US/West could respect the way of life of the people of Taiwan by first giving them a choice? I think not. Because if they did, they would first acknowledge the fact that majority of the population in Taiwan do NOT support independence/separatism, which is against the agenda of the current Taiwan government and their supportive Western powers. Yeah, and if you respected the people of Taiwan, you would agree that what the US/West has been doing by pushing Taiwan closer to conflicts, wars and even potential death and destruction will be to the detriment of the people there. How is that respecting the way of life of the people of Taiwan when you literally want to turn their home into a warzone?
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@mikeyrose4183 First of all, have I understood correctly that you live in China? And you have been dealing with the Chinese business people from Mainland China? I agree with you to a certain extend that there is such ''ethnocentrism'' in the Chinese mentality, both based on the fact that China has a long history and rich culture, (yes they consider themselves wise and well civilised people perhaps more than people from most other cultures) and also as I said they know they are smart at business, by the way, being smart at business often means not being nice likable people, it means being ruthless and cold a lot of the times, yes business competitions are tough, the Chinese learned this since very young, how to out compete among thousands, hundreds of thousands of school kids to reach the top universities they aim to get to, it is often their only way up in transforming their lives. This culture is unique to the Chinese. And yes, some see foreigners as ''inferior'', and guess what some see Whites as inferior too, but most of the time this is not based on race, this is more to do with the economic status of the country where these people are from, there is this ''I care more dealing with people from ''rich'' countries, and less with people from less developed countries'' way of thinking, but again, I feel your experience is not representative of all Chinese (business) people, or you have not truly understand what the Chinese people are all about, there are A LOT of cultural differences, many of which some Westerners could never get use to, nevertheless, most Chinese people are actually very friendly and welcoming of people of other cultures and races. To generalise a whole nation of people is itself narrow minded.
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@kubhlaikhan2015 ''In the first place the British do NOT take great pride in the days of empire'' Public opinion surveys carried out both in recent years and the past paint a contradicting picture of the sentiment, but I guess you are allowed to deny them instead pretend to speak on behalf of the majority of your population.
''we are probably the most self deprecating and least jingoistic people on the planet.'' I am not sure about that, btw where are your protests against the Ukraine war? Since your government has been known to be very active on sabotaging the peace prospect of this conflict, you surely would object such uncharacteristic representation of your ''least'' jingoistic population, lol. Again, where are all the protests?
''Ordinary people reaped no rewards from empire, only hardship.'' They might have been overcharged by their merchants but nevertheless contributed to the huge demands of foreign imports, hence the booming businesses with China (and India), that eventually drove a trade deficit with these countries so high, they have to resort to selling opium basically, as a payment for Chinese goods. I am pretty sure the people then were aware of the existence of such immoral trade, or were they lied to as they have been today?
''As regards the "Opium War" in particular - opium did not have the negative connotations it does today. The ravages of today's heroin trade allow it to be portrayed as something far worse than it actually was.'' Again, this is not true, it was officially against the Chinese law to trade and consume opium and possibly illegal too in Britain, the British were fully aware of this Chinese law, oh yes they also knew very well the drug's harmful effects on people, In fact the Chinese emperor wrote to the Queen repeatedly to beg her basically to stop killing the Chinese people, but all were ignored, the British clearly chose profit over morality.
''The medicinal and recreational uses of opium do NOT lead automatically into depravity but in any case the Emperor's motives were not about the effects of opium but on the state of China's balance of trade.'' Lol, first I like here when you speak on behalf of the voiceless Chinese people, who themselves, their families and society all suffered at the hands of the British illegal drug trade. This is like essentially a drug dealer telling the drug addicts to not to worry about the ill effects just so that they can continue to profit from immorality. As I already mentioned in my last paragraph, the Chinese emperor wrote to the British state several times to ask Britain to stop trading this very harmful drug to poison its people, because he and his local officials witnessed the devastation of the drug trade caused, but here you repeat the same narrative as this secondary school materials, insist the British were all about trade... clearly they had no morals, and you are here defending it, what does that make you?
''The imbalance was preventing them minting more gold and silver coins which they needed in order to suppress revolts.'' This is total nonsense. The Chinese had been having a trade surplus with Britain, it was the British who was running out of gold and silver to pay for Chinese goods, hence Britain resorted to forcefully trade opium to balance its trade deficit, btw, what revolts are you speaking of in this case? To be vague or just make up some non existent ''revolts'' won't do I am afraid. The fact of the matter was very simple, the British opium trade was illegal and immoral with devastating effect on the Chinese and their normal trade, Chinese government had to take action to stop it - destroying opium at all cost - to save its people and country.
Your narrative is the same as the secondary school material I mentioned in my OP, a pathetic attempt to whitewash British Empire's crimes. But you can only fool yourself you can't fool the people who ever suffered from British colonialism, especially when you try to do so by twisting truth or even outright lie as you did here. Best action you can take is to learn properly from your past and make sure it won't be repeated. You are a living proof of how your educational system have failed you on this.
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@rsuriyop Because most of them are idiots (I am talking about the illegal ones), yes, I know you are not going to take this explanation seriously, but that is the truth. Most of them have no idea about life in the West and they blame the Chinese government/system for their own misfortune in China, many regret after they arrive in the West, many actually come back after the bad decision. About the legal ones, I don't actually think there are that MANY these days, btw, they are free to go and live wherever they want, doesn't mean they will have a better life than in China, often many don't.
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@jackvue722 ''Let me ask you, are Uyghurs ethnic Chinese? By saying Chinese is a singular ethnicity, you suggest there is only one group, the Han.'' Go read my previous reply, I already answered you, you seem insistent wanting to put words in my mouth. As you've been too lazy to read, here, ''So ''Chinese'' (中华民族) is a cultural identity composed of multiple ethnicities within the same nation state, but it IS still an ethnicity (collectively), just not in the same context as how the word is used in the West.'' In fact you've actually confirmed my comment by stating ''The Communist Party of China not only strengthened the identity and publicity of [a] “Chinese nation,” but also recognized that “China is a multi-ethnic country and Chinese nation is a joint name of all ethnic groups within Chinese Territory”...''
I think 民族 translated as nationality is inaccurate in the context for China, 民族 usually means ethnicity, i.e 少数民族 (ethnic minority). Again, to say the PRC is a multi-national (instead of multi-ethnic) state created jointly by the people of all its ''nationalities'' give people a false impression that there are several independent nations within China, which is not the case.
A rebellion or revolution partly fueled by ''Han chauvinism'' due to the increasing dissatisfaction of the Manchu rule is not representative enough to suggest this sentiment has been running in the mainstream throughout Chinese history. Explain how ROC was a Han chauvinist state?? Where the founding father of the ROC Sun Zhongshan was the one who came up with the idea of including all (major) ethnic groups into the big Chinese collective identity. ''The recognition of Manchus, Mongolians, Hui, and Tibetans was done to maintain territorial integrity.'' Incorrect. The recognition of these groups is just to stress their equal importance in the national identity and promote unity among all groups. ''unlike the Kuomintang and Chiang Kai-shek that hold that there is only one ethnic group in China (the Han).'' Again, this contradicts with Sun Zhongshan's ethnic policy.
''it is necessary to combat big-nation chauvinism, mainly Han chauvinism, and to combat local national chauvinism.'' This is clearly meant for all ethnic groups in China, but of course, Han being the majority ethnic group, it would be more likely to have a Han chauvinist movement... But in reality, as I said, the so called Han chauvinism has never become the mainstream sentiment in any form both historically and since the founding of the New China.
I repeat, ''Chinese'' is a collective cultural and ethnic identity made up by all its 56 ethnic groups, I don't know why you have a problem with that.
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@jackvue722 Absolutely NOT Jack. When I say Chinese is an ethnicity it absolutely does NOT mean ''Han (people)''. That is what you wrongly interpret, and which probably comes from the projection of the Western idea of ''Han'' supremacy (as equivalent to White/Anglo supremacy), which doesn't exist in China. If you go read my comment again, you will find I said, I quote here again, ''the Chinese culture is built on multiple (ethnic) cultural identities/influences over its thousands of years of history. China is a true multicultural/multi-ethnic society.'' So ''Chinese'' (中华民族) is a cultural identity composed of multiple ethnicities within the same nation state, but it IS still an ethnicity (collectively), just not in the same context as how the word is used in the West.
Your "the Chinese people of all nationalities", is not accurate, there are ethnic minority autonomous regions, but no independent nations within China. And these ethnic minority population are obviously Chinese citizens possessing the Chinese nationality.
And fyi, there has never been ''Han chauvinism'' at any point in the Chinese history, so it is ridiculous to suggest that this idea has been included in the Chinese constitution. In fact, multiple lengthy Chinese dynasties have been ruled by ethnic minorities, where has there been that so called Han chauvinism?? And I am sure you don't think there is still some kind of Han purity after 5000 years...
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@jerrywright5411 Not anywhere in my comment I indicated the ''China win, West lose'' mantra, the ''zero sum game'' is the US/West's speciality. China does ''win-win'' cooperation, it is happy to work with any country that treats China with respect and as an equal. And back in the 1900s how do you think the poor and working class Chinese got their lands back? Through revolution, led by the Communist Party of China, with most of its founding members from the poor and lived under the capitalists/Western imperialists suppression and exploitation. France did the same, the US fought for independence from the British Monarchy as you mentioned.
While I understand your frustration about the sad situation the West has been in in recent years, and yes I sympathize with ordinary Americans/Europeans who suffer from your corrupt leadership, but ultimately, as a citizen of the West, you ARE responsible for where the US/West is heading. And equally, same for us the Chinese, we are responsible for the direction China is going. China is heading towards the right direction, that is how I see it. It therefore inevitably will do better than the West, and China totally deserves it. And if you Americans want the same for your country as you say you grew up thinking you were superior and wanted to be seen as such, then the answer is do something to make this happen, yeah make America great again, something like that. Otherwise, like I said, accept reality and move on.
I, as a Chinese, have a right to be angry at the US/West, millions of my people suffered and died at the hands of Western aggression and colonization, and they now deserve to live a better life, but the West wants to ruin it, just because it wants to hold on onto their power and domination, it wants China for be its slaves forever. And we say NO. But the West wants to drag down everyone with it as it goes down itself, that include you ordinary Americans. So again, I repeat, it will be up to you people in the West to allow your countries to be ruined by the ''elites''. And lastly, I want you to know, these ''elites'' are NOT in control of the Chinese government nor they are influential enough to change any policy that will determine the level of progress and direction China is heading. I am very hopeful for my country.
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@nigelralphmurphy2852 You, I guess claim to be a real historian, your statements, although contain SOME known facts and some seemingly objective interpretations, I am afraid is still a biased narrative, very much favouring the British perspective. Yes, it is important to learn the actual facts related to the events but even more importantly is to know the different perspectives/interpretations that were risen from those facts. Seems to me you have little understanding of the Chinese perspective, I gather much of your ''facts'' come from English language materials written by ''historians'' from the English speaking world. And this makes quite a lot of difference on how facts were interpreted and how you see things.
I am not a historian full stop but I think I am well educated on all facts I need to know on the matter, I also know well of the Chinese perspective (based on facts) on these historical events, their significance on China's recent history and effects on the Chinese' psychic. The most important point I want to make is the fact that China and Chinese people had suffered badly from British colonialism and imperialism, no amount of minimisation will brush that away, ever.
Now lets look at what you said... or rather lets expose all the holes in your story.
''The decision to go to war in 1839 was passed by only nine votes.'' ''Opium sales were done in Guangzhou and were a partnership between Cantonese businessmen and companies like Jardines, and both parties profited handsomely. There was no trade with "China." The trade was with the Cantonese businessmen in Guangzhou.''
While ''votes'' to go to war with China (the state) were passed by the British parliament, yet you said the British state was NOT actually trading with ''China'' (the state), so who did Britain go to war with and on whose behalf - with some Cantonese businessmen and on behalf of some private British merchants?? The fact was the merchants WERE dealing on behalf of the interests of the British state, hence when its interests suffered damage (after large quantities of opium got destroyed by the Chinese government), it went to war with China. In other words, the British state officially sanctioned the ILLEGAL opium trade as well as benefitted massively from the profit of this trade. And I will just quickly mention that, even this British secondary school material admitted this, I quote, ''In the early 1800s Britain had increased the amount of Opium it sold to China and many merchants were beginning to use threats to force Chinese merchants into buying more Opium (from the British) than they needed (could sell).'' Btw, this school material is just a generic bullet points presentation about ''The Chinese Revolution'', so I don't know the name, author, and date of this material.
''The wars were about free trade, which the English had been requesting for almost 100 years, only to be rebuffed with increasingly humiliating dismissals by the Qing Court. Opium was a very distant objective of the wars.
If your idea of ''free trade'' includes the force selling of a very harmful drug even when it was fully recognised (by the British) being illegal against the Chinese law, then I guess you can call it ''free trade'', lol. And the British HAD been able to trade freely at designated ports and merchant houses for more than 100 years without any problem from the Chinese authority until when the Opium trade, as I already mentioned in my other posts, started to cause devastating effects to both the welfare of the Chinese people and the country's normal trade activity, as in, an increasing imbalance of China's outgoing reserve (to pay for the opium consumption) but however the action of destroying opium is overwhelmingly due to the consideration of the state the Chinese people and their society's health are in rather than anything else. And yes, the wars were 1000% to do with Opium, or rather the destruction of the opium, and again I will quote from this secondary school material, '' These actions were a threat to British trade/profits so in 1840 the British government ordered naval warships to attack Chinese coastal areas.''
''Also, you might have noticed it was only a minority of people in England who stated they felt pride in the British Empire. These must be the same people who voted for Brexit.''
There were two surveys you can refer to to find facts on this, both from YouGov.co.uk, I won't link to them, but you can search on Google, the older one from 2014 where 59% of the people surveyed feel proud of the British Empire, that is a clear majority. There are also 49% of the British people think that, overall, former British colonies are now better off for having been part of the empire. The more recent one from 2020, where 32 and 37 (respectively) percent of people surveyed say they view the British empire as more something to be proud of and neither to be proud nor ashamed of. This result change is I believe partly due to the BLM movements in recent years, otherwise, they should be largely consistent with the older survey.
''In fact, in the Treaty of Nanjing opium wasn't even mentioned (except as compensation for the opium Lin Zexu destroyed in the standoff just prior to the start of the 1839 war)'' ''The British Colonial Office sent very clear instructions to its people in China to not colonise a single square inch of China, as colonies are just a sinkhole of money and far more trouble than they're worth. ''
You once again badly contradicted yourself and hiding important facts or just being ignorant. The Treaty of Nanjing is very much ABOUT the compensation for the destroyed opium and war expenses arose from opium destruction (the cause of the war), and about forcing China to open up more ports for British ''free'' trade including the continued illegal trade of Opium without any Chinese legal jurisdiction applying to it, and allowing the British to live in places in China without the local law and control being applied to them, the very definition of colonialism.
''The only reason the Brits demanded HK was so they could have their own trading post away from the tyrannical supervision of the Qing officials.''
This is a lie. Again, the Chinese had already assigned the British ports and places to conduct normal trade activities, without any complaint whatsoever until the time of the drug trade, and the forceful ceding of Hong Kong is just to enable the British to gain a permanent foothold to further and better colonise China, and ceding territories of another country by force is again the very definition of colonialism, however you try to spin it.
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The Western/European hegemony/domination is based on White supremacy, plain and simple. The way they (the West) routinely dehumanize the Russians, the Chinese, and the people of other Global South countries proves this. They try to disguise their racism by saying for example, oh look we love the Chinese people, we just hate your government, while knowing the majority of the Chinese support their government, while knowing their sanctions will hurt the livelihood of ordinary Chinese. Same for Russia, I hear from Western media how the Russians are described as different from the other Europeans, they are less White or not sharing the same so called European values and beliefs. It is just a way to make people think, it is perfectly OK to do bad things to these people, because they are inferior, their lives value less.
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@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies14''
(Re: sven hanson) ''he literally let me know about it then quickly deleted his reply.'' That's really pathetic if that's what he did. I read all your replies to him, courteous and well argued, no problem there. And you are spot on when you called him out that he basically didn't like your proof, but instead of refuting them with proper facts and data he basically labelled yours as ''propaganda'' (he also did the same with this Robin person), yet somehow his take/view is NOT based on Western propaganda, when he couldn't even (bother to) dispute one single data you cited as being wrong. And once again, reading his words, this is another Western person who thinks he knows better how the Chinese (in this case Tibetans) should live than the Chinese/Tibetans themselves. Even when he acknowledges it is in the best interest of Tibetans to have a peaceful stable living environment free from Western interference that constantly trying to destabilise the region to the detriment of those who live there, but no, he knows better than the Chinese government how A PART of China should be governed, because China is never good enough for some superior white Westerners.
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Why is China's atheism a problem? If you believe China has no religious freedom (told by your media), you are wrong. The Chinese are free to practice all world religions and beliefs in their 40,000 mosques (more than the US per capita), 6000 churches and many other religious venues, and of course in their countless temples. But all religious leaders and venues have to be properly registered with authorities and follow laws and regulations. And yes most Chinese do not follow a Western religion (including Islam), they follow their own domestic faith and beliefs such as Taoism, Confucianism and the Chinese branch of Buddhism, as well as ancestral worshiping and other regional folk beliefs, but in general, religious beliefs do not dominate Chinese people's everyday lives, because they are of a very pragmatic and practical people, this is a strength and merit of the Chinese culture.
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Both Western liberals and conservatives have huge misconceptions of China, because they see China through Western lens on top of all the lies coming from Western media and governments. The ''Chinese model'' is unique to China, its systems (both political and economical) and methods of working are constantly evolving and improving. You will not be able to understand the ''Chinese Characteristics'' without understanding China's history, culture/beliefs and its historical economic/trade practices. Both private entrepreneurship and state owned industries hold equal importance in the Chinese economy, private sector (both foreign and domestic) is a very vibrant part of Chinese economy contributes to 70% of the Chinese GDP and offering majority of the employments. The key difference is though Capitalists have zero influence over the Chinese government and its policy making, all major companies private or state-owned have to work towards China's 5, 10 year developmental plans. The key to China's success is pragmatism, like Deng said, ''Black cat or white cat, if it can catch mice, it's a good cat''.
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@GaiusCaesar_ ''Deepen what reforms?'' Reforms to concentrate on economic development which will improve the lives of every Chinese person, not to conquer and dominate the world like the US/West. Belt and road initiative is an economic integration project to increase trade and cooperation between (mostly Global South) nations, it is an initiative that helps developing countries to develop infrastructures that they urgently need but can't get loans for from Western financial institutions. The West colonised these nations in African, Latin America, West Asia for centuries but never helped them to develop essential infrastructure. How is building schools, hospitals, roads, railways, bridges, airports ''raking profits''?
Xi jinpings CCDR (Comprehensively Deepening of Reforms council) is for what? For China to deepen reforms to develop its own industrial productivity, to deepen further cooperation and trade with all nations in the world, particularly developing nations. If you don't know anything about China, then learn and do some research before you spew your baseless conspiracy, trying to sound clever but only to reveal your utter ignorance and stupidity.
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@jackvue722 It is pretty obvious you are the one between us who seem to be trying to incite some kind of tensions between different ethnic groups (typical Western divide and conquer tactic, and plenty projection I have seen from you: you suggested that the recognition of Manchus, Mongolians, Hui, and Tibetans was done to maintain territorial integrity (implying these have not been historical Chinese territories), which is a typical Western talking point to stir up separatism). You do know the reason why the New China recognised/identified the 55 ethnic minority groups is for the purpose of promoting UNITY, but you are doing just the opposite of trying to incite tension based on historical baggage of your particular ethnic group. You also do realise that a large part of, if not the entire Chinese history has been about different (ethnic) groups fighting each other and of course influencing each other's cultures, minority groups being assimilated/absorbed into the ''mainstream'' culture at each particular historical period of time. With your logic, I can equally claim that ''my people'' the Han have suffered repeatedly chauvinism from various of ethnic (minority) groups throughout history. That will make you realise your argument is entirely pointless. And yes, your group, Miao must have been assimilated, naturally or forcefully, together with most other ethnic groups in China, that was just the way it was. So did the Han, their culture and customs have been oppressed under Manchu for 300 years for example, hence the rebellion. Nevertheless the Manchu ruled China contributed greatly of the formation of the collective Chinese identity/culture, as a Han, I don't hold a grudge at all.
I am going to be honest, it seems to me you have a Miao superiority complex, hence the projection. I've made my point very clear, I have never said ''Chinese'' is a single ethnicity, let alone denying the other 55 groups as you claim. I think we should save our time and energy to focus on something way more important: the Western hegemonic racist oppression of the Chinese people/Chinese nation.
Good bye.
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@ArchesBro Do you know Chinese from several large geographical regions of China (includes where I come from) eat wheat as their main carbohydrates? As well as rice of course these days, but rice was originally mainly cultivated in the Southern regions/costal areas, due to climate.
CPC IS the official English abbreviation of ''The Communist Part of China''. CPC has nothing do to with CCCP of Soviet Union, but Western anti China forces want you to think that, all part of the anti Communism propaganda which you have seem to have fallen victim. I won't go into length debunk all of your anti China nonsensical claims you learned from your lying media, but according to a 13 year long Harvard University survey of some 32,000 participants, the CPC led Chinese government enjoys a overwhelming 90% approval rating. YES, the Chinese love their government, they also have the same love and respect towards all their previous leadership.
And South Korea being ''rich'' but still a US/Western occupied country, maybe you should ask them if they are truly happy or enjoy real freedom and democracy, last time I checked, a militarily occupied country doesn't. Taiwan currently is also a Western semi occupied region of China that is considered merely a chess piece for the US for ''containing'' China, do you think that is an ideal situation for them to be in? This is not a question btw.
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@Into the sunset You know what, China is NOT doing anything for free, everything comes at a price, yes, that is precisely what China is doing: businesses and mutual trades. China wants something for something else, China builds infrastructures for Africans and it buys something its needs from the Africans, the difference is their loans are flexible much affordable than what Western countries would offer you with much less conditions and restrictions attached. Or you often get nothing back, the West just takes and exploits you but gives you nothing back, this is called imperialism/colonialism. I have heard many positive feedbacks from Africans about China's way of doing things in Africa, sounds like you are repeating all the Western talking points, China is a neo colonial power, that is nonsense and pure projection, China itself suffered plenty of Western colonialism, and is anti Western colonialism, why would China do this on Africa?
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@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435 I kind of concluded from his very first comment here that he is just another China hater (in disguise), most China haters hate China for no reason, as in no real valid reason other than racial superiority at the end of the day, but they would never want to admit it of course. This one particular disguises himself as a "socialist", it is as hilarious as when I heard Jackson Hinkle calls himself a "communist", the truth is they have no idea of what that even means, they use them as a cover to hide their real self, they are the same as those racists who claim they love/support the Chinese people hate the Chinese government, even when they know the Chinese government has overwhelming approval of the people, which means logically by hating their government, they hate the people too, but that's their go to cover, like the "socialist" cover, just so they can hide under their blatant hate and racism. The truth is the fake left in their own government failed, failed because it is designed so, they project that the Chinese government is "designed" the same way, by some "globalists" infiltrated into the Chinese government doing the biddings for the US/Western deep state. Anyone buys into this has zero understanding of China and this is a right wing talking point. I went to read some of his comments under Danny's video, someone replied has reached same conclusion as me, he mostly repeats MSM anti China talking points (that's already telling) to prove how bad China's systems are, but can not answer why Chinese government is popular (a simple question), the guy has zero understanding of China, its economical policy, 5, 10 year plan, historical policy changes and core beliefs of the CPC. Nothing. But pretends to be a socialist, in the purest form, attacking people like Ben and Danny, while repeats right wing anti China talking points, or he is just a CIA shill, as someone pointed out. My suggestion to him would be, do something about the fake left in his own country, instead of worrying about China because the truth is he doesn't give a f about the Chinese working class.
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@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435 Yep, grifter he is, even if he is not, nobody is interested in his ''I know better what China is than China itself, I know better what is good for Chinese people than the Chinese themselves.'' arrogance. He is no different than the other White saviour/superiority complex suffers, who constantly lectures China/Chinese over their ''flaws'' but never acknowledge the good they did. At the end of the day, revolution doesn't happen on YouTube comment section, until he takes some real action to make real changes starting with his own country, it is all bs, this is where the problem is with the West, it is all yapping no action, look at China, we act, and see tangible result, better than a thousand words. Anyway, thanks to your great effort help to expose who he really is, pat yourself on the back! ; )
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@rickstevenson9585 I don't have an anti America worldview, my view of the US or other countries are based on factual evidence, logic and reason, I will then make a judgement about that country. You however defend America on blind bias. You speak as if the US has NO or little part in the whole affair/crisis that is taking place in Europe (involving the Ukraine war), which is very suspicious on your part (you are in denial or you have an agenda?). The US is heavily involved in the Ukraine conflict , which contributes to the cost of living crisis and deindustrialization of Europe (which the US benefits from it), there is no amount of denying could remove these facts. The US is fighting the Russians via Ukraine, it has sent billions of dollars worth of financial support, weapons and more to Ukraine, all for the geopolitical interests of the US, and US only. No, the US is not doing charity to the Ukrainians, your politicians have made it clear, your country is using Ukraine (till the last Ukrainians) to ''defeat'' Russia, again no amount of denying could remove this fact. I have also watched many videos where Russian POW were tortured and murdered, so Ukraine (with the full support of US/West) is not innocent and morally superior. Since you suggested that some other European countries also have the incentive to sabotage the pipelines, so again it would be very much in the interest of the US/West to find out the truth of the investigation (to prove Russia or these other European countries did it), but NO, the US/West is not pushing for the investigation to progress instead they are silent, especially Germany, the co-owner of the pipelines not in any hurry to find out who destroyed their infrastructure, while both your president and secretary of state have made statements repeatedly saying the implementation of the pipelines does not serve the interests of the US and it needs to be stopped. Again, you can dismiss this all you like, but that form a very important part of the evidence for most other people in the world, but your blind patriotism do not allow you ever see your country as being evil. The fact that your country has repeatedly invaded, occupied, destroyed countries for its own (geopolitical) gain all can be conveniently forgotten because that does not go along with your current narrative. Keep fooling yourself.
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I agree with your analysis Ben, there are so many signs of this shift, it is quite surprising actually, just goes to show when the Western ship is sinking fast, people jump it off FAST, so to speak. Apart from the Europeans, and I actually want Europe to suffer, sorry, you deserve every bit of your incoming bad fate, Karma will always come, it is just a matter of time.
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@dfwherbie8814 So you married a Chinese, what, does that somehow qualify you for a China expert? Lol. I never said you said China has no religious freedom, I said if you believed China has no religious freedom, then you are wrong. Learn to read.
''Do you have all of these pre-written in your notes, and you copy and paste whenever a comment somewhat comes close to the content of these pre-written responses?'' You don't like people making assumptions of you, but you have no problem making assumptions of me. What, are you hinting I am a Chinese government propagandist? Sounds like this is what you are saying. No, I spent a good 10 mins writing my own response in my own words based on my own knowledge and research.
''Anyway, Mao removed religion from China as a means to move away from “superstition.” But here’s the problem, in removing religion, the government has mad itself into the religion of the people. And that is problematic however you dice it up.'' Total nonsense. Mao never removed religion neither did he remove superstition (typical Western anti China talking point probably based on what your media falsely described about ''Cultural Revolution'', which is a completely baseless claim). This statement of your shows you have no clue about this topic. And the government has never made itself into the religion of the people, again another typical Western anti China talking point you are repeating here. The Chinese government (past and current) has overwhelming approval of the Chinese people because of what they've done for them (providing them a better life) and what they've achieved for the country not because they've been forcing people to worship them like a god.
Anyway, you don't have a clue about China, and your wife failed to educate you, unless she doesn't have a clue herself.
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@kubhlaikhan2015 Your ignorance is ravelling at an incredible speed. I will just try one more time to correct all the misinformation and lies you put out for the people who happen to read our conversation.
China has one of the strictest laws if not THE strictest laws on drugs among all countries on this planet. Any drug related crimes big or small receive indiscriminately severe punishment, it is NOT possible to have illegal drug trade performed on any Chinese online commerce platforms, so there your lies busted already. There are however still illegal drug related activities taking place inside China because of huge demands coming from mainly the West, yes Western companies (healthcare, pharmaceutical and more) trade/prescribe these illegal drugs to its population for the sole purpose of seeking profit (like what the West did with China with the opium trade). That is why all Western governments have made agreements to work with the Chinese governments (as well as other countries) to combat illegal drug trade, so NO, China does NOT export illegal drugs, another fat lie busted.
China has 56 ethnic groups, the largest minority group being Muslims with a population of 26 million, served by 28,000 mosques in each and every town and city across China. There are also 44 million Christians in China served by 7000 churches located in every major Chinese city. There are 846,000 foreign nationals living in China, last time I checked it was the UK that has an increase of some 300% on racially motivated attacks on Chinese/Asian, not in China.
There is NO such city called Peking. It is a name only how Western imperialists call the capital of China, it is called Beijing today, again only people have a view of China from the last century still use this term. Same for Sinkiang, the fact that you still use these terms shows your frame of mind still stays in the last century, so are your understanding of China, needless to say.
Tibet has been a part of China since 1264, when Mongol led Yuan Dynasty of China incorporated it as an autonomous region. Inner Mongolia also became a part of China at around the same time when the Mongols conquered the whole of China. Xijiang (Sinkiang) has been a part of China all the way back to Han Dynasty (200 century BC) and the region was used as a trade route (silk road) ever since that time. Taiwan has been an official province of China since 1600s during the Qing Dynasty, with earlier migration coming from the Mainland as early as 1300s. Over 90% of Taiwan's population are of Han Chinese and they speak mandarin.
I frankly don't care about your opinions of China, even though I can say based on what you've spoken so far that you are just as ignorant as an average Brit I have met (no surprise really thanks to your media and school system). I also am not going to debate with you if you personally feel the UK is a racist country or not, despite your own government brushed off its own commissioned report describing Britain's problem with institutionalised racism. Btw, it is completely alright for a White person to claim there is NO racist problem in his/her country, how laughable. You are dogging the topic under discussion by personally attacking me in order to deflect, distract from facts. I repeat again: Until Britain reflects and learns properly from its past wrong doings towards people of other nations, it will continue to be viewed by the people of the Global South as an existing force of colonialism/imperialism (as a matter of fact you still are), and you as a Brit is fully responsible for how your country is perceived. To me, Britain has been a force of evil, in the past and still today.
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@krisstarring Great comment and thank you.
Churchill was a racist and he didn't even bother to hide it. The fact that he is still regarded highly by most British if not by most in the Anglo English speaking world reflects how deceiving the British colonial narrative has been.
I quote from article ''Deconstructing the cult of Winston Churchill: racism, deification and nostalgia for empire - Benjamin T. Jones''
''According to author Tariq Ali (from book: Winston Churchill: His Times, His Crimes).
He (Churchill) informed the 1937 Peel Report on the British mandate in Palestine that First Nations in North America and Australia had been colonised by “a stronger race, a higher-grade race”.''
''According to former British PM Harold Macmillan, Churchill floated “Keep England White” as a campaign slogan for the 1955 election. Perhaps most damning is the recollection of Churchill’s friend, the politician Violet Bonham Carter: when asked his opinion on China in 1954, he reportedly replied, “I hate people with slit eyes and pigtails”.''
''Churchill’s view that “Indians breed like rabbits” was surely relevant to his decision not to deliver food supplies to Bengal during this famine as a matter of urgency.''
He viewed Arabs as an inferior race compared to Europeans of any stripe, in the case of Palestine he accused the Arabs of behaving like ''a dog in the manger'', ''I do not agree that the dog in the manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have laid there for a very long time.''
Regards to the native populations, ''I do not admit for instance that a great wrong has been done to the red Indians of America or the black people of Australia, I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race a higher grade race or at any rate a more worldly wise race to put it that way has come in and taken their place. ''
if a nation (Britain) regards a racist as their ''hero'', then you know something is seriously wrong with your educational system, and you know why today many ethnic minorities in Britain still consider (through their personal experience) British society is as racist as 30 years ago (according to a recent YouGov survey)
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Funny you praise Ben for his reports being well supported (by facts), but where are the sources of your claims here? I am Chinese. Do you know that President Xi has been combating corruption at all levels for over 10 years (since his leadership began)? Many officials/state sector employees big and small have received severe punishment, yes corruption is a very serious crime in China, could literally be punishable by death. Your so called mistresses issue that you brand as abuse of women in China is completely overblown and you provided zero facts to support the claim. I can tell you that, at least in the governmental officials/the CPC party members level, such behaviour is considered a serious breach of Party code, and would face investigations and removal from official capacity. The so called population crisis is once again an anti China talking point, according to experts, China will remain as populated as now by 2050 and still have the total number of labour force larger than the rest of the world labours combined, plus automation is already replacing labour in manufacturing. About the dams, no idea what that is all about, sounds like fake news. China is not perfect but your media is spewing insane amount of fake news about China, trust me, most of what they tell you is either fake or twisted truth. Watch Ben's channel, he has been so far spot on China, because he is not lazy, he does his research well unlike people like you.
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It is very true that just 20 years ago, France and Germany were still largely politically and economically independent with leaders like Chirac and Schroder who were both having a fairly good relationship with Russia and China. The US was also on good terms with China then, I guess when China was just starting to provide a cheaper manufacturing base for the US/West and experimenting with a more capitalistic approach to its economic development. And now Europe is a complete US colony with pro US/NATO lead politicians taking every order from Washington. And what's funny, these European countries, UK, France, Germany etc. constantly lectures China on ''freedom, human rights and democracy'' when themselves don't even have sovereignty, their leaders can't even take decisions for themselves based on their own country and people's best interests. Their media has also been doing a great job over the past two decades brainwashing its population with anti Russia anti China lies and misinformation, the majority of European population live in their own deluded superiority bubble (I know this from my own extended family living in France and UK). Kissinger said well, "To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.” I am afraid the fate of Europe is NOT bright and prosperous instead could collapse with the collapsing of the US empire, if they still don't wake up and fight for sovereignty. The US is NOT their friend, they do what capitalists always do, exploiting people and resources, this time their subject is Europe.
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@perghosh8135 ''China emperors become rich mainly because of opium trade'' This is the most absurd and blatantly false claim I have ever heard from anyone, lol. Can't be further from the truth. The Chinese emperors and their officials banned the trade and consumptions of opium in 1840s, let alone made profits from it, the British monarchy did get rich by trading opium in China/India, by illegal smuggling and forcing the Chinese to consume it.
''This is why USA and Europe tries to destroy them self today, it is by influence of money and in the top is the rothschilds.'' Nope, the USA and Europe have been deindustrialising because of their capitalists' greed, they influenced their government to liberalise their economic/industrial policies so their capitalists can make maximum profits, they outsourced their labour and production abroad.
And again, China is not your ''Globalists' project''. China's economic/industrial and foreign policy has been completely sovereign, hence can fight against Western economic domination. Time you learn from reality rather than your wild conspiracy books.
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What a skewed view you got about China, lmao! Your MIC controlled warmonger gov't conducting what Anglo American pirate empire of lies has always been doing for centuries: destruction and exploitation of the whole world, and you blame it on China?? Your own people failed miserably to hold your corrupt gov't accountable, and you are relying on China's sanctions to somehow curb it? China is sanctioning your MIC because your lying gov't once again not respecting and following through the agreements it has signed with China, that recognising Taiwan as a part of China (do you even know?? You describes it as ''discrepancy'', lmao) China is NOT ''a new arbiter of neo colonialism'', China is a strong supporter globalisation (in term of international trade and cooperation) and a disciplined follower of multilateral institutions/trade platforms such as the WTO, which its rules were created by the US/West in the first place, though the US violates them when they don't serve its economic interests. China is only ''decoupling'' because it is forced to as the US/West seeks to starve China from Western tech, not because it wants to, as China sees trading with the US/West a part of its normal global trade. Your criticism of China is absurd, according to you China's crime is becoming an industrialised country, developed into an advanced productive economy and participating in world trade with the US/West. And that somehow is seen in your effed up view as ''China helping to fund neo colonial efforts''. It is utterly ridiculous. Hey, why don't you Americans try get your corrupt gov't to reindustrialise your country, stop spending all your tax money on foreign wars before you blame China for anything!
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That's what the Anglo-American empire does, they rewrite history in favour of their narratives, to satisfy their ego and superiority complexes, to continue to indulge in delusion (of their so called system even racial superiority) and brainwash the Western public so they go along with their racist supremacist world domination agenda, it has been working very well so far. Their outright lies and false narratives are spread through their educational system, media and governments' agencies, most their people just wholeheartedly believe what they are fed to (about these so called enemy countries), what can they do when they are conditioned since birth, told that they have a free and independent media. The rest of the world knows their own history as well as the true accounts of Western colonial history (as they suffered a great deal from it), they have always understood what the US/Western powers are all about: wolves in sheep's clothing; the emperor with no clothes and pirates who forever loot, kill and plunder.
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@nrao8977 ''China of today did not exist 100 years ago.'' You are completely ignorant, but sorry I don't have time to give you a Chinese history lesson. Do your own research (not from Western MSM).
''China is kept together by a certain force, if I may call it so, which is not universally accepted even within China.'' That ''force'' is not what you insinuate here (if I understood you correctly), that ''force'' is however mostly coming from the unique Chinese culture and long history, which again you are clearly ignorant of.
Keep watching the lying Western MSM... And trust me, I can inform you as a Chinese, China is NOT going to come apart, though I won't say never, but not in the time frame you are thinking of. (hint: we are talking about a civilization state with a 4000 years history and had dynasties stood as long as 300 years.) And right now, the Chinese are doing better than they have ever been, just look at global surveys about how confident they feel about the direction their country is going (a simple Google search). It is a complete day and night picture in comparison to citizens from Western countries.
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200 years ago, China lost almost every war with then major Western powers, it was forcefully opened up and became a semi-colony, the Chinese lived as second class citizens in parts of their own land. Then the US/West tried again to regime change China with the Korean and Vietnam wars, but ended up being defeated. And today, the US/West could only verbally threaten China. Trump's trade war with China has essentially failed, I believe all current and future tech sanctions will also backfire ending up hurting the US more on the long run, economic decoupling with China is almost impossible. I think the US/West knows full well that aside from a direct war with China, there really isn't much it could do to stop China from surpassing the US/West, in fact China has already surpassed the US/West on so many fields. So the only thing the US could do these days is verbal threats, as a Chinese, I feel quite good to see how rapidly the US empire is losing its confidence and influence.
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Eventually, it would be all round losses for the US, potentially losing a massive exporting market of 20% of world population, once the market will be lost, it will be lost for good. As a Chinese, I think the decoupling by the US will be good for China on the long term, this will force China to develop and upgrade its own technology needs, and no longer rely on the US/West, as the US is increasingly becoming unreliable and untrustworthy. Already, Chinese people are buying more home brands, which offer value and quality. Sanctioning China will be in effect the US sanctioning itself.
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@robertcox14 ''Nixon met Mao in 1971/72 and a deal was made and Western companies were encouraged to move manufacturing to China.'' I bet they (your government and media) have never told you the most important incentive for the visit was getting China on the US side in helping the US to win the cold war against Soviet Union. And why was the US/West encouraging its capitalists to move manufacturing to China? Because of your government's Neoliberal economic policies, an ultra liberal capitalistic policy where profit making became your capitalists main driving goal, or in other words, the greed of your capitalists hollowed out your own manufacturing industry (you can't blame China). Your capitalists went to China to take advantages of the competitive and well trained Chinese labour for their own material and monetary gains. Btw, China DOES have labour laws and regulations, factories with sub par working conditions and pay would be fined and punished, don't buy into the anti China propaganda that China doesn't care about its workers, plus, first and foremost the Western companies that subcontracted the facilities should take care of its workers, if they failed to then that reflects badly on them, not the Chinese government.
Meng Wanzhou is not one of the ''Chinese oligarchs'', again Western projection. The truth is Capitalists in China can be extremely wealthy (they are perfectly allowed to by per governmental policy) but they have zero say in policy making and politics of China, unlike in the US/West.
I agree to a large extend, foreign investments contributed greatly to the Chinese economy as they provided jobs for hundreds of millions of people, but it can in no way claim all the credit for the Chinese economical transformation, in fact, what happened is both the result of Chinese government's pragmatic economic policy and the US' need to cooperate with China in order to win the cold war. It was a win-win.
And finally, China is NOT the next ''globalists'' project. What it basically did was beaten the US/West in its own game, that's why the US is so upset, the Chinese socialist model is helping ordinary people prosper whereas the Western capitalists greed is making the people poorer.
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@robertcox14 China is NOT an imperialist power, if it is then, you've just altered the definition of ''imperialism''. At least I have not heard imperialists building schools, hospitals, railways and other essential infrastructure in developing countries NOT for the sole purpose of exploiting its resources as the US/West has done. And with ONE military base, it would be hard for China to run an empire. China is only interested in mutual beneficial trade and business cooperation, it has no intention to run the world as a world police.
China's pollution (partly due to being the world's factory) is getting better, thanks to China's commitment to alternative energy consumption. The hypocritical West has a way worse historical record on pollution, and per capita, yet not doing half as much as China to combat climate crisis.
As a Chinese, I am happy to inform you of the reality of China, or you could learn from Ben, all you need to do is keeping an open mind...
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@mikeyrose4183 While you are entitled to your opinions about the Chinese nation and its people based on your personal experience and observations, I can't help to sense your deep bias and ignorance against China. Your knowledge about China is clearly outdated, and hubris and boasting is the least thing one would associate with the Chinese, the Chinese hardly ever brag about their achievements, because humility and self reflection is part of their culture, they always look forward to future improvement, and are never satisfied with what they have now. These are just facts.
Have you seen a Chinese branded EV lately? Have you travelled on a Chinese high speed train lately? Have you experienced the fast and well covered (mobile) internet infrastructure, seen an architect subway station or a new modern airport? Have you learned about the Chinese space exploration programme, their success rate of sending rockets into space, their space station modules? Have you checked out China's latest military innovation? It is very obvious you try your best to dismiss China's success, from an extremely poor semi colonised country to a fully industrialised world 2nd largest economy in just 40 years (no other country on this earth has done the same). Oh, by the way, not so long ago, before European aggression against China in the 1800s, Chinese products (silk, tea, porcelain, and many more) were among the most sought after products of the Western world (not to mention the ancient Chinese inventions that the West took for granted for, gunpower, paper making, printing, compass)... and all the way back to the Han dynasty (200BC) when merchants were trading Chinese goods through the silk road... The West, got their riches to start industrialisation from looting the raw material and resources from Africa, Latin America, Asia, including the silver they used to pay to the Chinese. Russia was a part of the European gang of empires who looted and invaded China too.
So no, I won't accept your view about Chinse people lack creativity, the Chinese know full well how important innovation and industrialization is in keeping them independent from Western exploitation... China has been the top country for many years in a row, to file most new patents.
But anyway, China never needs approval and recognition from anyone. You have a lot to learn about China. People can see through your ignorance and bias in an instance, as I said, we are not stupid, we know the facts.
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@khoi pham cao Overtook the US by a thousand times or more for the lives saved by China's Covid measures, clearly all the lives lost in the West don't mean much to you typical of someone who supports Western neoliberal capitalism where money is always placed before lives.
Your dollars could be worthless in an instance because it is backed by literally nothing (toilet paper), whereas Yuan is backed by solid manufacturing capability and physical gold, look at which country is the biggest trading partner of most countries in the world, yes, that's China. China dominates world trade and (advanced) manufacturing, half of the Western shopping malls would be empty if China stops exporting. Btw, Australian iron ore companies (Australia's pillar industry) trade with China in Yuan, and they begged China for this, Russia trades in Yuan supplying huge volume of high demand resources to China. And Saudi Arabia could kick start the Petroyuan any day, just don't want upset the US too soon, lol. It is the type of goods and amount being traded in Yuan that matter. China is doing a favour for most countries to trade in Dollars because it is easier for them, but everyone knows once it is ditched as a currency for trade, it is worth nothing.
About your other "points", my friend already addressed them very well in his reply, you are right in a way, China has never dominated and will never dominate the world, not in the same way as how the US has been doing (world police), but on trade, infrastructure development and development of some advanced science and technologies, China already dominates. Conclusion, you need a reality check ✔
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@kphamcao "I have heard top talents wanting to go to the US. Nobody want to go to China." This again, is not reality, I guess you didn't hear recently some 1400 Chinese scientists are leaving America for China, btw, Chinese (born and educated in China) scientists dominates the technology scene in the US, surely that doesn't make America look too good, it actually confirms China's ability to produce talents cannot be matched by the West. Anyway, keep your Anglo centric vision, if that make you feel better. You might just be another one of this self hating Asians, whereas most Asians feel more pride with China's rise, instead, you call this " grandiosity compex", lol. Last time I checked, it is the Westerners who tend to suffer superiority complex.
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@kphamcao These ''Chinese'' scientists don't need me convincing them to return to China, they make their own choices where they want to work and pay taxes, but that still does not change the fact that China's education system gave them the competitive edge and a solid foundation to do well wherever they choose to be.
Did you read my comment properly? I said most Asians feel positive about China's rise, as they overall benefit from this, as explained in my comment, and again I have never asked you to ''like'' or ''love'' China, or anything it does, you are the one who keeping interpreting that way and feeling somehow I am asking you to like China, again where have I even hinted that I think all Asians must like China. But it is a fact, most Chinese people who hate China doing well are self hating Chinese. I met many of them.
''None of China's neighbor harbor any love for China. Among the debt traps, the condescending attitude, the constant sea harassment, the hypocrisy to complain about the US while attempting to do the exact same things. I could go on for days. It is you who need to meet reality.'' This is again, not reality, but mostly Western anti China talking points, and there is no such country as ''China loving'' country, there is only countries who love its self interests, so what they do is to strike a balance between ''loving'' China and the West for its own self interests, but evidence tells me no China's Asian neighbours want to pick a clear stand with the West, and all of them want to benefit from a rising China, and this is all the reality I need to know.
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@worfoz You are however NOT factually correct, but rather deluded to think, this war will "destroy" or even weaken Russia for that matter, no, to the contrary, there is never going to be any worry for Russia to find customers for its energy, and with Russia being completely self sufficient on resources, it will never be weakened or destroyed, and plus, how do you destroy a country that has the most number of nukes on earth, both the West and Ukraine are deluded, instead it is the West and Ukraine who are paying the heaviest price for this self inflicted crisis which you obviously have no concern of, especially the human cost of it, yeah you bots just keep preaching the NATO narrative, you can only fool yourselves. Which countries have committed the most war crimes, it is certainly NOT Russia.
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@worfoz Lol, OK whatever you say, I get you have to write the NATO script, an American arms dealership and warmongers cartel that killed millions and still killing as we speak. By far I have seen far more war crimes committed by Ukraine than Russia, after all it fits with what Ukraine really is, a f-ed up Nazi state, what else do I expect. And again, the US/West is the biggest imperialistic empire, everyone knows this, especially themselves, because they have every intention to let its evil reign continue.
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