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@LostArchivist I do not accept your premises. That there is no other explanation.
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@edk484 I apologize if I responded to the wrong person.
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@ufobrownsugar7948 no. Where science stops. Superstition begins.
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@ufobrownsugar7948 I lack a belief in a god or gods. I feel sorry for those who think that they know the answer. When they don't. I feel sorry for those who think they know what other's are thinking. I feel sorry for those who cannot leave primitive superstition behind. And deal with reality. Demonstrate that your god exists. Arguments are not evidence. If you can't demonstrate that there is a god (and no one has). Then you don't know that there is a god. If you can't show it. You don't know it.
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@p00piter What did god make the universe from? Do you believe that if there is a god. It is the god that you believe in? Can you demonstrate that your god exists? Arguments are not evidence for a god. If you wish for your claim that. God made the universe. To be taken seriously. You must demonstrate the existence of god.
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 @edk484 where is your evidence that a god created the universe? Where is your evidence for a god. So you know. Arguments are not evidence.
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@LostArchivist it is fallacious logic to assume that there had to be a first cause. That there must have been a creator. In everything we have gained an understanding of. We can explain things occuring because of natural processes. No supernatural explanation required. Could that change. Certainly. But no reason to think that it will.
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@LostArchivist there is no infallibility in faith and morality. In any teaching. Of any religion for that matter. And you will claim. That your faith is different. And it is the correct one. And all the others are wrong. "Everybody can't be right. But everybody can be wrong".
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@edk484 How did you come to your conclusion that nobody believes in a created god? Some believe in a created god/god's. I simply see so no evidence for a god or gods.
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@LostArchivist do you see perfection in the universe? I see chaos. Stars are born. Stars die. Some supernova. I see natural catastrophes. I see horrible painful diseases that kill millions of infant's and children every year. Before they've even had a chance at life. If there is a designer to the universe. They aren't very good at the job.
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@neon.kalash3115 yes. Globally there are approximately 40,000 denomination's of Christianity. I wonder who is correct?
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@LostArchivist the fullness of Truth? Prove that. Each religion makes the same claim.
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@ohhplurism6403 if god exists outside of space and time. Then he cannot interact with what exists in space and time.
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@LostArchivist you have a problem with not knowing the answer. It's okay that we don't know all the answers. That's how we learn. We don't learn by saying. "God did it". That stops all questions. And we can't learn without questioning.
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@annalizacahilig9096 what evidence do you have that god is the alpha and Omega. The first and the last?
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@LostArchivist just because we don't know the answer As to whether there is a reason or not to existence. Does not mean that god exists. How we feel about it is irrelevant. Reality does not conform to our wishes.
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@edk484 so you're looking forward to what exactly? Can't wait to tell people. "Told you so"? And you seem to think that you'll be privy to that conversation between Jesus and a non believer? It is in no way obvious that there is a god. Demonstrate that your god exists. Arguments are not evidence. If god communicates to me his wishes. Then I'll have no choice but to believe. But until then. I'm not taking the word of any person. Who seems to know what god wants. And what he wants from me. Because they don't know. And are being dishonest to themselves and others to claim otherwise.
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@LostArchivist truth is something that is testable. Not subject to belief. e.g. At sea level water boils at 212°F. 100°C. That can be demonstrated to be true. No belief required.
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@LostArchivist I'm not assuming anything. As I've said. Arguments are not evidence of anything. Demonstrate the existence of god. Otherwise there is no discussion.
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@edk484 I checked again. And in a comment from a month ago. You quoted John 1. And then you quite clearly said. " Nobody believes in a created god".
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@LostArchivist I am not going to accept something as being true without evidence. I think that would be foolish.
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@LostArchivist some of the alternatives are presented in this video. I lack a belief in a god or gods. There is nothing for me to prove. I am not making any claim. The burden of proof lies with the person making a claim. A claim made without evidence. Can be dismissed without evidence.
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@timowens7214 faith is believing in something without evidence. Science presents evidence. Religion does not. I don't have to have faith. That at sea level water boils at 212°F 100°C. For many. To believe something without evidence. Is foolish. What exactly do you mean by nothing?
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@LostArchivist we make sense of existence by learning. Asking questions. Not by making unsubstantiated claims. If you have an existential crisis by the thought of there being no god. That is a you problem. I'll point out again that reality does not conform to our wishes.
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@ohhplurism6403 demonstrate that your god exists. Arguments are not evidence. A claim made without evidence. Can be dismissed without evidence. It's that simple.
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@LostArchivist even if there were no alternate explanations for existence. That does not prove god. It simply means that we do not know what the explanation for existence is. So we continue to learn what we can. Greater minds than ours have asked these questions. And yet beyond arguments and philosophy. There is no evidence of a god. If there were. None of us would be having this discussion.
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@ShaneMcinally there is no proof of an afterlife. So no.
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@LostArchivist that is quite the word salad that you presented. The unsubstantiated claim that you have the fullness of the Truth. Is nonsense. You do not know that. You believe that. You state that there is no other explanation for existence. There is the assumption that there has to be cause to the universe. You don't know that either.
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@ahonnaga8854 you state that you are an atheist. I am as well. However you state that according to religion. God is all powerful etc etc. That sounds as if you do believe in god.
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@LostArchivist we have different standards of what constitutes evidence. Demonstrate that a god exists. Evidence for me would be god telling me personally that he exists. That should not be a problem for a god that allegedly has all the omni attributes. I continually hear that god is all powerful, all knowing. Ever present. Can do anything. But when asked for god to do something. There is always the answer. God won't do that because. "Reasons". Can you not see the problem with that?
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@LostArchivist all that you stated is from belief. Theology is not reality. You simply do not know the answer. Be honest and admit that.
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@LostArchivist you believe that god is the author of the universe. You do not know that. You're beliefs in no way affects reality.
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@LostArchivist but there is chaos in the universe. The universe was not made for us. Because you cannot think of other explanations Or to be more precise. Because you cannot accept other explanations. Is a you problem. If there was evidence for a god. Then I would have no other choice but to believe. But there isn't.
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@LostArchivist the universe/existence may not require a first cause. So far in everything we have gained an understanding of. We see no evidence for a god. It's that simple.
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@LostArchivist you have given no reason to believe that a mythical deity created the universe. Your arguments are from incredulity. And that is not an argument. Have you demonstrated that a god exists? No you have not. Be honest and admit you don't know. You believe that god exists. And belief is not evidence.
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@LostArchivist if you're logic is that nothing can exist without a cause. That would apply to a god as well.
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@LostArchivist You seem to have a narrow view of why there is existence. Be honest and admit that you don't know the answer. And that your views are based on belief alone.
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@LostArchivist there is no need of a god to explain the universe. So far in everything that we have gained an understanding of. Can be explained by natural processes. Could that change? Of course. But no reason to think that it will.
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@LostArchivist do you think that because you cannot conceive of other explanations. That what you believe must be true? There are many explanations besides. God did it. You know you have heard other explanations. You just don't accept them. Because they conflict with your beliefs and faith. And it is irrelevant what your beliefs are. Belief is not fact. And you cannot say that god is a fact. Because the existence of a god is not a fact.
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@LostArchivist if you cannot provide evidence that what you believe is true. Then there is no reason to believe that it must be true.
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@edk484 that the universe had to be created is a logical fallacy. We don't know. And anyone who says they do know is being dishonest.
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@LostArchivist a claim presented without evidence. Can be dismissed without evidence.
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@LostArchivist I do not "claim" that there are many explanations that do not require a god. There simply are other explanations. You have undoubtedly heard these explanations. But you choose not to accept them because they conflict with your beliefs. And there are as many beliefs as there are people in this world. I submit to you that your concept of god is different than the person next to you in Church. They have a different concept if god than you. Why? Because the god that you communicate with in prayer. Is really yourself. Your sub conscious mind. Your inner self. That is true of all believer's.
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@ShaneMcinally I am not blind. I see things quite clearly. Those who live by primitive superstition don't see things clearly.
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@ShaneMcinally question. Do you believe that by virtue of your faith. That you are superior to those who don't believe? Or believe differently than you? Do you feel your more worthy than other's. That by being Christian. Your life has more value than a non Christian?
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@LostArchivist demonstrate that there is a god.
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@LostArchivist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory.
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@LostArchivist what does chaos theory have to do with showing that there is a god? You're skirting the issue. Demonstrate god. Not damn arguments. Are you trying to show how intelligent you are? Intelligence is irrelevant. Loose the attitude. Admit that you cannot show that god exists.
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@LostArchivist that is not demonstrating god. Proof of god is directly seeing god. Talking to god etc etc. In your theology god has all the Omni attributes. Yes? That god should be able to show Itself. And leave no room for doubt. Please refrain from apologetic nonsense. Trying to explain why a god who can do anything. Doesn't do anything.
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@LesterWayneDobos Who are you determining has a closed conscience? And who are you to determine that?
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@timowens7214 no. There would need to be evidence to believe a god created it.
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We should continue to learn as much as possible.
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@LostArchivist that is another assumption that you have. I do not throw up my hands and say that there is no reason. There may. Or may not be a reason for the universe. We just don't know. If there is a reason. It is probably something that we can't even conceive of at this point. We just don't know. To say. God did it is not a satisfactory answer. Demonstrate the existence of a god first. Then that would add credence to that claim.
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@p00piter I totally missed the south Park reference. Feel his salvation all over your face.🤣🤣🤣
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@p00piter do you think the universe was made for us? I don't think so. We can not live on 99.999% of the universe.
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@LostArchivist for you it may be that no other explanation . Except a conscious cause to the universe exists. It comes back to the first cause/prime mover argument. That argument is flawed. It makes the assumption that there was a first cause. And it makes god the exception to that argument. It doesn't work that way. If everything had to have a first cause. God is no exception to the argument.
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@LostArchivist it most certainly holds. First and foremost. Demonstrate that your god exists. Otherwise there is no argument.
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@LostArchivist natural things are all we have to work with. Adding a supernatural element to the conversation. Is not an explanation. That is not testable. Nor is it an answer. I've heard all the apologetic nonsense. Of trying to explain the unexplainable. I've heard all the arguments for the existence of a god. They are all subject to logical fallacies.
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@hey_its_travis yes. But if god did make something so heavy that he couldn't lift it. He would then no longer be all powerful. I think the "God paradox" demonstrates how illogical the concept of a god is.
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@Anashadk science relies on evidence. Not belief. Scientific method - Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
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@LostArchivist the alternative is that there is no evidence of a god or gods. You cannot show evidence that there is a god. "If you can't show it. You don't know it". Once again. Arguments are not evidence. Demonstrate that a god exists. You cannot do this. Addendum. There are many reasons to doubt that there is a god. I'm sure that you've heard people who doubt that there is a god. But you dismiss the doubt. Perhaps because that conflicts with your beliefs? The existence of a god is not a default position. To anyone who is not a believer. I grew up in a Christian family. I was going to become a minister. I had no intention of becoming an atheist. However I came to a point that I realized for many reasons. That I could no longer believe in god. And that it would be dishonest for me to pretend that I believed. You believe that there is a god. Your standard of evidence for such a belief is different than mine. And that's fine. Though I want to point out that. " No amount of belief makes something fact". And that your belief does not require other's to believe.
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@LostArchivist if you had lived centuries ago. You would have believed that lightning, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions etc. Were caused by supernatural forces. I would have too. But we gained knowledge. These phenomena can be explained through natural processes. No supernatural explanation necessary. Your thinking is binary. You think that if there is no god who created the universe. Then there is no other explanation. That is a logical fallacy. Again arguments are not evidence. Demonstrate that a god exists.
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@LostArchivist the belief that a conscious agent caused the universe. Is just that. A belief. It is not an explanation. You have to demonstrate that this conscious agent exists. Otherwise your argument has no credibility. Let me ask you this. Do you think you know the answer? I don't make any such claim. I don't know. That is the honest approach to the questions of existence. An argument from incredulity is not an argument. Because we don't understand something. Or find it incredible to believe that there is no mind behind existence. Is totally irrelevant. Surely you've come across something that you believed to be true. And then found out that was incorrect.
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@LostArchivist you believe that you have the correct understanding of Revelation? And other's don't? You do realize that other's who think different than you. Believe that they have the correct understanding of scripture. Because "reasons". The bible is written by humans. No divine inspiration. All religions are made up by humans. Christianity is not an exception to that rule. In the bible. There is a talking serpent. A burning bush that talks. A talking donkey. A virgin giving birth. And a dead person coming back to life. Well my reality is. Animals don't talk. Burning bushes don't talk. Virgin's don't have babies. And the dead don't come back to life.
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@edk484 you said that you've had these useless discussions before. Same here. Except from the opposite angle. There is no overwhelming evidence that a god exists. Only to you and like minded individual's believe that there is overwhelming evidence for a god. Has this god come to you and revealed himself to you? And exactly what god do you think there is overwhelming evidence for? If there were evidence for the existence of a god. I would then have no choice but to believe. But there is no evidence. I grew up in a Christian family. I was going to become a minister. But I came out of it an atheist. Believe what you want. Your belief does not require that I or anyone else believes what you do. But don't claim that you know that there is a god. Because you don't know. You believe that. And "no amount of belief makes something a fact".
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@LostArchivist first of all. You don't know how reality is put together. You can't demonstrate that there is a god. If you could prove that there is a god. You will have done what no other has done before. You would win the Nobel prize for such a discovery. If you could demonstrate the existence of a god. You would have done so already. But you use the same tactics that everyone who claims that they could prove a god exists. Theology, philosophy etc etc. None of that proves god. Science cannot prove god. Because scientists can't perform tests on something that exists outside of space and time. Can't put god on an examination table. To dissect and study.. I'm sure you know that science cannot prove or disprove the existence of god. So why are you even approaching the subject from that angle? You cannot show that god exists. The only one you can convince of this is yourself. And are you implying that a god would only reveal himself to the educated? To those who are well versed in science, theology and philosophy? That a god would rely on some of the beings he created to prove his existence? Can you not see the problems with that? God is your own ego. If you think that god is communicating with you. That is you. Your own inner self. It's as simple as that. "Insanity is when you believe your own hallucinations. Religion is when you believe someone else's hallucinations".
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@LostArchivist I have heard all the arguments for god. And they are found wanting. If there was evidence for god. I would certainly entertain it. However. No one to date has been able to show evidence that a god exists. I don't have a belief. I have lack of a belief. I'm not being opposite because I don't accept your premises or arguments. I just don't accept them. If a god could be proved. I would accept that. I'm not emotionally invested in the matter of whether a god exists or not. Are you? Addendum. I'm not throwing up "vague" demands for evidence. I'm asking quite clearly for evidence.
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@Norbert4ty5828 I cannot demonstrate how the primeval atom was formed. And neither can you. What is your point in asking that?
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@Norbert4ty5828 who says that the universe came from nothing? Not cosmologist's if that's what you think. You should educate yourself on astrophysics. None of us can even grasp what nothing isj
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@LostArchivist what caused god? The first cause/prime mover argument. Fails unless god is made an exception. And god is not an exception. The question leads to infinite regression. Who caused god? Who caused God's god etc etc af. Academia says we don't know what caused the universe. Religion says "God did it." But they don't know either.
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@Anashadk science is not a belief. Science offers scientific theories based off of evidence. The scientific method is not perfect. But it is the best methodology that humanity has devised to date.
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@ufobrownsugar7948 there are many atheist's. Myself included. That believe in ourselves. So please don't talk about what you don't know. You do not know what other people are thinking.
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@LostArchivist if god doesn't need a cause. Why does the universe need a cause?
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@ShaneMcinally i grew up in a Christian family. Was going to go into the ministry. However I came to the realization that for many reasons. I could no longer believe. That is very condescending of you to be saying that I'm blind and of little faith. Is that your attitude towards anyone who doesn't believe? Or believes different than you? And it most certainly is the time for debate. When there are six states that ban atheist's from holding office. I will not be silent. If you're okay with that. That would be sad. It is totally unconstitutional. I respect your right of freedom of religion. You in turn need to respect my right not to believe.
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@neon.kalash3115 i was raised Anglican Catholic. Something tells me that Christ didn't envision the Church to turn out the way it has. All the ritual. Vain and repetitious prayers etc etc. Maybe I'm wrong. But Jesus did preach against those thing's.
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@timowens7214 we don't know how the universe came about. And anyone who claims different is dishonest. Science can only follow the evidence. It brings us to the singularity. It's exciting times. Discoveries from the James Webb telescope may indicate that the universe is even older than we thought. Scientists live for this stuff. Learning new things all the time. Who do you think says that the universe came from nothing? Not atheist's. Not this one personally. What did god make the universe from? That's a rhetorical question. Because you don't know. I don't know.
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@Norbert4ty5828 First of all. I do not have to explain anything. I am an atheist. Not a cosmologist. It has nothing to do with how much I'm educated. More importantly the education of scientists is what's important. I'm guessing you're a science denier. Who is sadly unaware of how science permeates and affects our lives. One doesn't have to believe in science. It just has to show itself to be true. We know quantum mechanics to be true. Being able to communicate as we are now is evidence of that. Modern medicine has it's basis in evolutionary biology. If the theory evolution was not correct. Modern medicine would not work. But it does work. Because of advancements in agriculture. More crops can be grown. Thereby feeding more people etc etc. So often when a theist finds out that someone is an atheist. They will start asking questions. And demand that atheist's have an answer. So if we don't have an answer. So what? Do you think that is proof of a god? So I will answer such questions like this. How did the universe begin? I don't know. I am an atheist. Not a cosmologist. How did the Earth form? I don't know. I am an atheist. Not a geologist. How did life come to be? I don't know. I'm an atheist. Not a biologist. I'm sorry if my atheism makes you feel uncomfortable. That is a you problem if it does bother you. Believe what you will. That is your right. And I will excercize my right to not believe.
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@Anashadk there are no proven facts in science. What science has are theories. A scientific theory is not a wild guess. It is the best explanation we have for whatever the subject is. Based on the evidence. Science is not static if new information proves a theory to be wrong. Then the theory has to be revised or discarded as the case may be. Science is learning about what is real and testable. About what the evidence shows. And if what it shows doesn't match up with your beliefs. That is a you problem. Addendum: you do realize that not too many theories have been discarded in modern times. That's because it takes a lot to be accepted as a theory.
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@ufobrownsugar7948 I see. You however are in the realm of understanding. How fortunate for you. You can't argue with me. Because I don't believe your claims. You do not possess any special knowledge or wisdom.
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@ShaneMcinally the important thing is. For you to understand that other people. Believe different than you. Have viewpoints different than yours. Some do not believe what you do at all. Do not act condescending towards others who believe differently than you. Or don't believe. You are not in any position to have an attitude like that. Christianity is not exempt from criticism. You and other Christian's are not the gauge by which other's measure their lives. Period.
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@Anashadk I do not put science on a pedestal. I accept the scientific method. As the best methodology to date. To acquire knowledge and lead to the truth. As evidenced by the fact that we have acquired more knowledge since the reawakening. Than we have in all of human history. They way we're communicating at this moment. The advances in modern medicine. That have come about through the biologist's understanding of evolutionary biology. Have led to longer healthier lives. Advances in agriculture. Allowing for more crops to be grown. So more people can be fed.
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@edk484 tell me something. When you see someone with cerebral palsy. Or downs syndrome. Or someone who is microcephalic. Or hydrocephalic. When you see infant. Or child
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@ShaneMcinally you probably don't mean that what you're saying to sound condescending and boastful. But that is the way it's coming
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@LostArchivist my good man. It's insulting my intelligence . For you to say that I just dismiss evidence out of hand. That I reject every piece of evidence presented to me. If I seem to dismiss something too quickly. That is presented to me as evidence. It's more than likely that it's because. I've heard it before. Same arguments. I'm not new to this subject. I've put in much thought and time regarding these ideas. As I'm sure you have as well. We've each have come to our own conclusions.
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@ShaneMcinally I'm glad that you don't feel superior to other's who believe differently than you. Or don't believe at all. But there are many Christian's. Who claim that they have the moral high ground. And they don't.
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Asking what came before the big bang. Is like asking what is north of the north pole.
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 @macysondheim oh you know what came before the big bang? And what's north of the north Pole?😂😂😂😂
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@macysondheim I'm not a ladder. Oh you meant latter. I'm not that either. 😁 Have you submitted your findings to Academia for peer review? They must find it fascinating. Now that you've told them what came before the big bang. There must be a Nobel prize in your future.
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@Oliveir51 that's the purpose the James Webb telescope. To learn new things. And find out if the theories are wrong. Or need adjustment.
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@urreajones How have you determined that we are not in a computer simulation? I'm not saying that we are. But the simulation theory has credence. There is no way to determine if we are in a simulation. Or in base reality. If some evidence were found that showed we are in the base reality. Who's to say that is not part of the program?
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@urreajones interesting story you have. But you don't know that to be true.
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