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Comments by "Hugh Jorgan" (@HughJorgan1) on "Your impeachment (x2!) questions, answered" video.
The first impeachment in history without an investigation or hearings. The Democrats take a crap on the Constitution....again.
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@DwayneShaw1 ..Think big picture. The power of the House to impeach a President (the Executive Branch) is one of their greatest powers. During the hearings for Trump's first impeachment, Constitutional lawyers spoke at length on this principle. And they warned the Democrats to use the power VERY carefully. Yet they proceed to impeach with a 100% partisan vote (with 2 Democrats voting against their own party). That was their first crap on the Constitution. And while there's no specific mention of hearings and investigations in the Constitution, it's implied by the Principles of Justice. The Democrats rushed through impeachment charges without giving Trump (the defense) an opportunity to present an argument. That's like sending someone to trial for murder without allowing any defense or validation of evidence. That's the Democrat's second crap on the Constitution. Again, try to look big picture.
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@DwayneShaw1 ...Trump simply leveraged Constitutional 'separation of power' in the first impeachment. The Executive Branch has no obligation to respond to Congressional subpoenas...unless ordered to by the SCOTUS. Obama and Clinton also defied Congressional subpoenas, for the same reason. This principle was also discussed in great detail during the hearings in the first impeachment. The Dems rushed their process because of the election and didn't have time to take it to the SCOTUS...and it bit them in the ass. If we'd had proper hearings for Trump's second impeachment, you'd have learned more on these principles. Bottom line, please try to look at the big picture. The Democrats have crapped on the Constitution and principles of justice. It will come back to haunt them.
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Democrat voters can never complain if a future Republican-majority House impeaches a Democrat President without an investigation or hearings. Or impeaches with a 100% partisan vote.
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You're right, the Democrats will need 2/3 of the Senate to convict. I don't see that happening for a number of reasons: 1. The impeachment was the first in history without an investigation or hearings. It's like sending someone to trial for murder without allowing the defense to present arguments, witnesses, etc. 2. The Democrat's are presuming guilt. That's not how our justice system works. 3. Pelosi and the Democrats have already abused Congressional powers and taken a crap on the Constitution with a 100% partisan impeachment of Trump (including 2 Democrats who voted against their own party). Bottom line, the Senate's Constitutional power for impeachments is intended to keep the House in check. I don't see any scenario where they convict Trump.
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@listerdave1240 ..Holy crap. An intelligent reply in a CNN comment section. It's very rare. My replies: 1. The number of impeachments is irrelevant to the principle of precedent, especially with regards to something as important as having a full bipartisan hearing involving witnesses, etc. This is the key point McCarthy made in his speech yesterday. I remain perplexed anyone would defend the Democrats rushing through an impeachment without due process. 2. You're close. The principles of our Justice system apply to the impeachment process. Which is why it's referred to as laying charges and the Senate runs a trial. But to suggest an impeachment is the "prosecutor building charges" supports the principle that the defense must be able to refute those charges before a trial. 3. Incorrect. Trump's first impeachment was the definition of 100% partisan. No Republicans voted to impeach (a few voted to proceed with the impeachment hearings). And I remind you that 2 Democrats voted against impeachment. Bottom line, I don't see any scenario where 2/3 of the Senate will support the Democrats abuse of power and complete defiance of the principles of justice. Trump's legacy will remain strong. And speaking of legacies, I remind you that Clinton's impeachment was bipartisan and involved actual criminal charges (including a felony).
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@listerdave1240 ..You make good points and have good understanding of the big picture. You're the least of my concerns in a CNN comment section. We will have to disagree on a few key points, but that's ok. Thanks for the chat.
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