Comments by "jacq danieles" (@jacqdanieles) on "1420 by Daniil Orain"
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It will be a referendum like this one:
From 2014: in a release by the state Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) of an telephone call recorded between Alexander Barkashov, the longtime leader in Moscow of a Russian neo-Nazi group called Russian National Unity (Russkoye Narodnoye Edinstvo, or RNE) and Dmitriy Boitsov, the head of an obscure Donetsk organization calling itself Orthodox Donbas. Barkashov, a former Russian army special forces corporal, maintains good relations with military and police agencies in Russia, for which he says his group’s black-uniformed paramilitary members are available to serve as reserve forces.
SBU posted to YouTube its recording of the two-minute-plus conversation with accurate English subtitles, expletives included. In it, Boitsov says that the separatist forces don’t control Donetsk province well enough to manage Sunday’s vote. “We’re not able to carry this referendum out, we’re surrounded, Donetsk won’t hold” he says.
“Hang in there” answers Barkashov from Moscow. “You must follow through, otherwise it will look as if you’ve been scared.”
“We’re not scared, it’s just that nothing is ready for the referendum,” Boitsov replies. “It’s impossible to conduct it legally while we’re surrounded.”
“Dima, just flog whatever you want. Write down something like 99 percent,” says Barkashov. Just write it all in. What are you gonna do, walk around and collect [ballot] papers? … Let’s say 89 percent voted for the Donetsk Republic. And that’s it!”
As Barkashov explains, Boitsov interjects: “Ahh, that’s it. Okay, I understand.”
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@quintrankid8045 if they say they "didn't need it", they need to be reminded of some relevant history:
'We Would Have Lost': Did U.S. Lend-Lease Aid Tip The Balance In Soviet Fight Against Nazi Germany?
"Soviet dictator Josef Stalin raised a toast to the Lend-Lease program at the November 1943 Tehran conference with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt.
"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."
Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.
"If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me."
-RFE/RL
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from 2014:
"Secession Referendum Appears Ill-Prepared – and Kyiv Depicts a Plan to Falsify Vote Result" -- Atlantic Council
Excerpt:
" .... with the release by the state Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) of an telephone call recorded between Alexander Barkashov, the longtime leader in Moscow of a Russian neo-Nazi group called Russian National Unity (Russkoye Narodnoye Edinstvo, or RNE) and Dmitriy Boitsov, the head of an obscure Donetsk organization calling itself Orthodox Donbas. Barkashov, a former Russian army special forces corporal, maintains good relations with military and police agencies in Russia, for which he says his group’s black-uniformed paramilitary members are available to serve as reserve forces.
SBU posted to YouTube its recording of the two-minute-plus conversation with accurate English subtitles, expletives included. In it, Boitsov says that the separatist forces don’t control Donetsk province well enough to manage Sunday’s vote. “We’re not able to carry this referendum out, we’re surrounded, Donetsk won’t hold” he says.
“Hang in there” answers Barkashov from Moscow. “You must follow through, otherwise it will look as if you’ve been scared.”
“We’re not scared, it’s just that nothing is ready for the referendum,” Boitsov replies. “It’s impossible to conduct it legally while we’re surrounded.”
“Dima, just flog whatever you want. Write down something like 99 percent,” says Barkashov. Just write it all in. What are you gonna do, walk around and collect [ballot] papers? … Let’s say 89 percent voted for the Donetsk Republic. And that’s it!”
As Barkashov explains, Boitsov interjects: “Ahh, that’s it. Okay, I understand.”
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@АлександрДухин-р3ц putin staged the civil war in Ukraine.
from 2014:
"Secession Referendum Appears Ill-Prepared – and Kyiv Depicts a Plan to Falsify Vote Result" -- Atlantic Council
Excerpt:
" .... with the release by the state Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) of an telephone call recorded between Alexander Barkashov, the longtime leader in Moscow of a Russian neo-Nazi group called Russian National Unity (Russkoye Narodnoye Edinstvo, or RNE) and Dmitriy Boitsov, the head of an obscure Donetsk organization calling itself Orthodox Donbas. Barkashov, a former Russian army special forces corporal, maintains good relations with military and police agencies in Russia, for which he says his group’s black-uniformed paramilitary members are available to serve as reserve forces.
SBU posted to YouTube its recording of the two-minute-plus conversation with accurate English subtitles, expletives included. In it, Boitsov says that the separatist forces don’t control Donetsk province well enough to manage Sunday’s vote. “We’re not able to carry this referendum out, we’re surrounded, Donetsk won’t hold” he says.
“Hang in there” answers Barkashov from Moscow. “You must follow through, otherwise it will look as if you’ve been scared.”
“We’re not scared, it’s just that nothing is ready for the referendum,” Boitsov replies. “It’s impossible to conduct it legally while we’re surrounded.”
“Dima, just flog whatever you want. Write down something like 99 percent,” says Barkashov. Just write it all in. What are you gonna do, walk around and collect [ballot] papers? … Let’s say 89 percent voted for the Donetsk Republic. And that’s it!”
As Barkashov explains, Boitsov interjects: “Ahh, that’s it. Okay, I understand.”
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@yellowtunes2756 fraudulent referendums, Vanya.
From 2014: in a release by the state Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) of an telephone call recorded between Alexander Barkashov, the longtime leader in Moscow of a Russian neo-Nazi group called Russian National Unity (Russkoye Narodnoye Edinstvo, or RNE) and Dmitriy Boitsov, the head of an obscure Donetsk organization calling itself Orthodox Donbas. Barkashov, a former Russian army special forces corporal, maintains good relations with military and police agencies in Russia, for which he says his group’s black-uniformed paramilitary members are available to serve as reserve forces.
SBU posted to YouTube its recording of the two-minute-plus conversation with accurate English subtitles, expletives included. In it, Boitsov says that the separatist forces don’t control Donetsk province well enough to manage Sunday’s vote. “We’re not able to carry this referendum out, we’re surrounded, Donetsk won’t hold” he says.
“Hang in there” answers Barkashov from Moscow. “You must follow through, otherwise it will look as if you’ve been scared.”
“We’re not scared, it’s just that nothing is ready for the referendum,” Boitsov replies. “It’s impossible to conduct it legally while we’re surrounded.”
“Dima, just flog whatever you want. Write down something like 99 percent,” says Barkashov. Just write it all in. What are you gonna do, walk around and collect [ballot] papers? … Let’s say 89 percent voted for the Donetsk Republic. And that’s it!”
As Barkashov explains, Boitsov interjects: “Ahh, that’s it. Okay, I understand.”
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@ДанилВоробьёв-к6л from 2014:
"Secession Referendum Appears Ill-Prepared – and Kyiv Depicts a Plan to Falsify Vote Result" -- Atlantic Council
Excerpt:
" .... with the release by the state Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) of an telephone call recorded between Alexander Barkashov, the longtime leader in Moscow of a Russian neo-Nazi group called Russian National Unity (Russkoye Narodnoye Edinstvo, or RNE) and Dmitriy Boitsov, the head of an obscure Donetsk organization calling itself Orthodox Donbas. Barkashov, a former Russian army special forces corporal, maintains good relations with military and police agencies in Russia, for which he says his group’s black-uniformed paramilitary members are available to serve as reserve forces.
SBU posted to YouTube its recording of the two-minute-plus conversation with accurate English subtitles, expletives included. In it, Boitsov says that the separatist forces don’t control Donetsk province well enough to manage Sunday’s vote. “We’re not able to carry this referendum out, we’re surrounded, Donetsk won’t hold” he says.
“Hang in there” answers Barkashov from Moscow. “You must follow through, otherwise it will look as if you’ve been scared.”
“We’re not scared, it’s just that nothing is ready for the referendum,” Boitsov replies. “It’s impossible to conduct it legally while we’re surrounded.”
“Dima, just flog whatever you want. Write down something like 99 percent,” says Barkashov. Just write it all in. What are you gonna do, walk around and collect [ballot] papers? … Let’s say 89 percent voted for the Donetsk Republic. And that’s it!”
As Barkashov explains, Boitsov interjects: “Ahh, that’s it. Okay, I understand.”
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