Comments by "Ōkami-san" (@mweibleii) on "Thom Hartmann Program"
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Bernie Sanders and Thom are clueless. Yes, EVERYONE wants to ensure no one goes without good affordable healthcare. Turing our crony low quality high cost DiseaseCare into a Public scheme is NOT going to do that. I've live in multiple countries, some with 'free' public healthcare.
I can safely say this much: Most (not all) aspects of 'free' healthcare is crap and you would never want to be treated in those public hospitals. Most people, who can afford to, either go to Private or go overseas for treatment. This is particularly true in Western countries were the public hospitals are staffed with the bottom of the barrel surgeons who weren't successful enough to open a private practice or the ones being trained on the 'free' patients. In some rare instances Public was better than Private. Particular when providing some forms of care for the elderly and children. In general, no, it's horrible care. In Japan, Public healthcare is pretty decent. But, this is due to the Japanese system of shaming people who suck.
Since most of you lap up the Demagoguery, have zero experience with any aspect of healthcare (other than you want it for free), I'll leave you to mull these ideas over with your magic thought of Progressive Paradise:
1. If you have some money, you ARE FREE to leave your tax farm and go overseas. We actually did this (went to Japan 4 years ago, great treatment in a Japanese PRIVATE hospital, cheap too). Why don't we allow for this freedom INSIDE the USA? Why not allow so called 'free' Americans the 'freedom' to buy and sell medical care without the need of the AMA licences? Americans can go to Mexico for unlicensed care, most don't. Most don't need a Nanny to tell them not to.
2. Medical care is blowing out the budgets of many Western nations (ours included). What happens, in the real world, is less money is spent on other social services like Universities and K-12. Which means a lower quality medical doctor. I've personally seen this happen.
3. If you think Private Monopolies are bad now, wait until we give the Government a total Public Monopoly. ALL of the evil little monopolists that would be working in a company, simply swim over to the State and run the agencies - they pay themselves sweet 6 figure salaries with massive benefits (the likes of which you couldn't imagine) for providing the lowest quality crap healthcare you could imagine. They aren't just as bad as these Crony CEOs - they ARE the same people!
The care will be worse - much worse.
Bernie can spin you promises of 'free' high quality cheap healthcare all day long - of course, he's not actually DOING anything medical related himself.... no no no, that's hard work. It's so much easier to spin bullshit promises to the unwashed masses tales of how the Great Redistribution machine is going to magically make cheap high quality healthcare happen - well, sorry, not going to happen.
You'll see.
Note: Currently, in our AMA regulated healthcare (they'll also 'regulate' the Government Care - and do) about 80,000 Americans die each year due to medical error and another 3 - 5 million suffer life long injuries. Once the Government has a total monopoly, expect these numbers to increase 10 x in the next generation.
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I have no problems with private Unions. I do have a problem with public unions - as we the public are forced to pay them, not the market. As an example, all of my family at my father's age and above were in the UAW and lived like kings, helped to destroy GM (no one wants to pay $30,000 for a Union made peace of crap car) and eventually the company went bankrupt - most of my family my age are working on minimum wage. Not all, I was smart enough to leave the State over a decade ago and worked my arse off, lived in share house and share rooms for a decade and have a pretty high paying job, but I'm 15 years behind most people.
Again, I have no problem with UAW. But I saw the union from the inside. I saw the functional illiterate who couldn't be fired. I hear the retired UAW workers (in my family, all my aunts, uncles, father, etc...) and they're on $4000 a month minimum pension and retired at aged 47! That's more than most of their kids made WORKING and those kids will be working right up until they die. AND worse of all GM went bankrupt and was bailed out BY the millennials! These same unioned retirees are working to get 'disability' (if they didn't already when they were in the shop) and are looking into ObamaCare - AGAIN, paid for by their kids who have piss poor jobs.
The nation is going into the toilet. Society is sick IMO. Just sick. Everyone looking to screw over everyone else. TBTF oligarchs. Central Banksters and our Central Planners and Political Masters. Cops who are insane. Literally, I had a State cope drive right up on my car's arse the other day. Was probably 2 foot off my bumper, I about got in a wreck and I had a 1 year old in the back seat. I can't stand the USA.
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"How can these people in the poorest" (Public Housing) "neighbors be against Scott Walker when he's against everything (the State) has done to help them" .......
...........like those Publicly Funded Welfare ghettos that have made your life a living hell. Or the Publicly Funded Government Ghetto Schools where 1 in 3 kids who graduate, do so as a functional illiterate. Or the millions of Progressive licencing scams, rent-seeking laws, and regulatory capture that has ensured the ONLY jobs for you is Welfare Queen, Cannon Fodder or Hood Thug. Oh, don't dare think about trying to start a business either, the State will come down on your throat with its Jackboot and crush your windpipe.
And then this Progressive Socialistic idiot has the gall to suggest these people (read: Black People) are too ignorant to know any better. Yes, she's their NANNY and she knows better then they. You know, because once she got off at the wrong turnpike and ended up in a Publicly funded Welfare Ghetto and saw a GASP black person once.
Typical middle class clueless Progressive Socialist. Guess what? Those 'poorest houses, poorest schools, poorest neighborhoods are all Publicly funded Welfare Ghettos suffocating under a fog of poisonous Public Services. Most of these people have NEVER in their lives come in contact with the FREE markets. They live in Public Housing, are shot and killed by Public Police, take Public buses on Public roads, to their Public schools where they're taught by functionally illiterate overpaid Public teachers, learn little and then graduate with no skills into a hyper-regulated unfree market, RINSE AND REPEAT.
Want to know why they support Scott Walker? The answer is simple: 100 years of FAILED Progressive Central Planning has destroyed their lives. The answer isn't MORE crap Public services - the answer is LESS. Much less.
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(a) The Pledge of Allegiance is TO THE STATE. It's a pledge to die in defense of the State as symbolized by a pretty peace of cloth on a pole (aka: a Flag).
It starts out "I pledge allegiance to THE FLAG of the United States of America." I mean, how myopic can a person be?! Jesus H Christ, your own example shows YOUR level of conditioning. Which is pretty much reflected in 99.9999% of the people around you.
That said, Government Schools have, for the most part, been banned from forcing children to Pledge themselves to the State. But, make no mistake, Government schools used to force children into pledging themselves to the State because Government schools are in actuality propagandizing labor-cog factories.
(b) Government Schools overwhelmingly do not teach that a God or Gods or Goddess or Goddesses created the Universe (aka: Creationism). That said, some of the BEST schools in the USA are Private Religious Schools. As a matter of fact, I know of Catholic schools that costs $30,000 per year that have a line about 10 years long with a $1000 a year retaining fee paid for 10 years before your application is even considered. And get this, those students that graduate - they're not functionally illiterate. As a matter of fact, they are some of the best students that enter the best Universities. And there's tons of these Private Religious schools.
Just to make sure you understand that I am a strong atheists, I'll quickly commit the so-called unforgivable sin: I damn the Holy Ghost. If there is a God, please send me to Hell right now. Oh, gee, didn't happen. Maybe because Gods and other magic-people do not exist.
See? It's quite simple. You're a State-bot. Your god/superstition IS the State. The POTUS is your Pope. The Senators are your Bishops. Now, like a good little "Citizen" do your duty and pull the magic voting lever to the Right or to the Left. And Believe in "Hope and Change". Maybe even get our stupid flag (made in China) and wave it for whichever politician promises you whatever it is you hope to steal from some other citizen in the Great Society you're a cog in.
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technatezin There's no need to 'give out' grades at all. As a matter of fact, formative assessment is only required by the student, the instructor doesn't require this information. Summative assessment can be performed by private organizations along with their particular certificate. This is effectively what the AMA does, and I'm sure you have little to no problem with MD's being qualified by the AMA.
I'm not sure why you think grades are all that important. If a child wants to be an artist, and they learn graphic design, what do they care if they are given a low grade? What's important to them, is if they learned the skills needed to provide a good or service to the free market / others in society.
It may be true in the short term that kids with genetics that select for scholastic activity are chosen to attend specific schools, but this is okay, if there is a demand, then others will similarly offer educational services. "The Poor" certainly do not lack smart phones as good as "The Rich". Why? Because companies make a lot more profit selling to the poor. And when they are in competition, the poor get as good as the rich. Compare this to highly regulated (by Government) markets like Medicine. Thanks to Government regulation, market players (like the AMA) are given a regulatory monopoly and use this to enforce rent-seeking on their part and that of their members. What happens is the quality of education goes down (and it has) while the cost goes up (and it has). Thus, places into medical school have wait-lists miles long, while at the same time, medical error is the number 2 killers of Americans (after heart disease).
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technatezin as for profits, there's many examples of Chartered School out performing Government Schools using 2/3rds the resources.
However, I think we need to use two differnt words. Profit should be used to refer to virtuous activity (efficient use of limited resources to ensure good education) whereas Spoils can refer to making money through cheating (example: rent-seeking). In this way, we can see Private Schools are often Profitable (even when run as non-profits) and act virtuously whereas Government Schools are sometimes Profitable, but do so through vice and rent-seeking, and therefor are actually Spoilable. They make Spoils.
The best way to ensure kids are given access to good education is free-markets, sound money, and laws that protect private property and uphold contract.
Let"s remember, the DoED itself publishes statistics showing ZERO improvement since it's inception (late 1970s) and if anything, things might be getting worse! They also publish statistics showing 1 in 5 of their "High" school graduates cannot competently read and write. The only other place where you see this level of stagnation and regression are the industries found in the old Socialistic Republics of USSR and China. And, I promise, for the same reasons.
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TheSpiritOfTheTimes Actually, I Japan and Korea both outperform Finland. Therefor, according to your logic, we should actually adopt their pedagogical standards. Incidentally, Japan spends less per student in terms of GDP. Therefor, again, according to your reasoning, we should also spend less. Koreans attend school 7 days a week. Japanese usually attend cram-school for 4 hours after normal school. I know, I've lived in Japan. Therefor, according to your reasoning, we should too. Oh, and no summer's off. As a matter of fact, the US Government would be legally bound to choose the best performing pedagogy - which is not the Finish one. Sound good to you? Probably not. Because you prefer the Finish program. You probably want the SCHOOL CHOICE don't you? You probably think it's a bad idea to send kids to school year around, 7 days a week including evenings. Isn't it nice HAVING THAT CHOICE? Or would you prefer someone in Government make that choice for you?
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TheSpiritOfTheTimes I just posted two recent ranking showing Korea out performs Finland. As a matter of fact, Finland will probably continue to drop as Singapore, Hong Kong and Shanghai surpass them. But, I do find it interesting you still would like to utilize the Finish system. Well, sorry, that's not how Government agencies work. They would be legally obligated to use the Korea model. That's the way Government bureaucracy works. If Korea is better, then it will be chosen. If Japan can do more with a smaller budget, then that will be chosen.
It'd be nice to have School CHOICE wouldn't it be? That way you can pick the pedagogy you think works best for your children.
Of course, no thanks to people like you.
Incidentally, Japan has a thriving private school system. But hey, I've only lived there, so what would I know.
Regardless, and one more time for good measure, it's nice knowing you have the CHOICE of pedagogy. That way, if YOU want the Finish model, then YOU can take your tax-credits and pay for it from a private provider of that pedagogy. See how nice it works? If more and more people do likewise, then that becomes the norm.
Good, then we can agree to that much :)
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TheSpiritOfTheTimes A decent civil society doesn't need the State to force people to pay for education. Therefor a decent civilized society will by default use Private Schools. The goal is to privatize all education. This will ensure the poor have access to good education in the same way they can easily afford a good super computer that fits in their pocket / smart phone.
The truth is, you prefer the Finish model and if given the choice you would choose the Finish model. And you would not be happy to be forced to instead put your children through the hell that is the Japan/Korean model.
You want choice.
Your choice.
Which is why you continue to push the Finish model even when evidence shows the Finish will be lucky to remain in the top 10 and will soon be superseded by other Asian countries. Why? Because the Asian model works better in our current system. Now, that said, I would personally choose the Finish model. Why? Because I like that pedagogy.
I lived in Japan, part of my family is Japanese, and I may move there again. In Japan, if you do not choose the Japanese system, you will NOT be attending high school and University. Sure, you can attend a private school (even alternative schools like Montessori or Democratic) in Japan, but you will fail in their higher educational system. Which requires 12 hours a day 7 days a week dedication to study. This means many many many Japanese children will buckle under the mental stress of studying so hard they end up developing all sorts of stress related problems - but that's okay to the Japanese AND people like YOU. Because what is NOT important is the individual and their personal choices. No, what is important is the "Social Good'. You know "Society" (whatever that is). Thank the GODS you people are in the minority in the USA. And you're losing the battle. Government schools will compete with Public Charter Schools and eventually all education will become Private. Then we will reach that 'decent' "society" you want to live in.
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technatezin "With a government run school operation the left side of the equation can be at zero since the government can run the school as a break even non-profit operation indefinitely with no problems." This is so far from the truth as to be laughable. Have you ever run anything? Anything at all? I've worked in both private industry and public institutions and this, again, is literally laughable.
(A) The world has limits, thus there are budgets. As an example, see the mass starvation of Government run Communist China. About 30 - 50 million humans statrved to death - the Government couldn't even provide the basics / food, let alone education.
(B) Government isn't something 'magical' that poof provides education by pulling it in out of the ether. Government redistributes the goods and services of the private sector. Thus is buys educational products and then provides that service after levying a tax to pay for it. Of course, levying a tax is LESS efficient than paying directly becuase you also have to pay for the IRS and prisons to hold tax evadors as well as agencies to write tax code and etc... etc... etc... vs just paying directly for private education. Thus, Government School costs more / wastes more Earth limited resources.
(C) "Government" is a collection of humans. Many humans in Government work in education AND could NOT give two shits about if children are educated. Because Government doesn't go bankrupt, it is IMPOSSIBLE to get rid of these people - and they are in the MAJORITY. Most of the people I have worked at in Government - don't care much about education and focus instead on their public 'career'. Whereas, when I work in the Private Sector, they do care. Why? Because in the Private Sector they will lose their jobs if they do not provide VALUE (which again, is subjective). A person working in Government on the other hand, has NO NEED to provide value - and most don't or very very very little compared to those in Private Industry.
Again, this seems to be a case you missing a key point, that being subjective value, as well as presenting an argument in the Platonic Perfect Forms which frankly cannot and will never be able to measure our subjective experiences AND ALSO cannot ever know the true supply of goods and services available. The only known means of measuring both subjective value and supply is the price mechanism. These aren't 'side issues' they are CORE issues. There's also a good Ehtical argument for why private school is moral and Government school is immoral, but I have to leave it here.
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technatezin The most important thing is to satisfy your customers. If you don't do that, you won't be making a profit. However, making a profit in a FREE competitive market is virtuous and signals a couple of things to society
(a) you are indeed providing a good or service of value to society, we know this because people are paying for it and
(b) you are doing so in a manner that is efficient and thus are able to make a profit - IOWs, you are not wasting the Earth's limited resources. One of the worse things about Government, is how inefficient and wasteful it is. The US Government, for example, wastes more energy than any other institution (in history) and likewise creates the most pollution (in history). Go start a business with your own money, see if you don't want to make some of it back - if anything, just to live on.
Most companies are small and do not have investors outside of the people who start the business and bank who lent them the money.
Also, most people start a business because they WANT to provide something of value. Almost no one starts a business just to make a profit - that's asinine. If you're not the type of person who likes people and thinks about their needs, you won't make a good entrepreneur (but would probably make a good public servant).
Again, I doubt you've ever had any real experience opening a business. Everything you suggest sounds like a talking point from some political hacks memo. So, my advice is, do it. Go offer a great pedagogy and see if people are willing to pay you for it.
See how far you go with an attitude of only trying to make profit. I promise, with that attitude you will be bankrupt in a month. People aren't idiots, they can see value and most can smell a bullshitter when they have to part with money. Not to mention contract and fraud laws will ensure you live up to your end of the deal or go to jail. So, again, do it. Start a business with your own money. Put some skin in the game. Then talk to me. I promise, you'll have a completely different attitude. One based on Empirical reality as opposed to belly button lint and counting the number of angles on the head of a pin.
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