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Comments by "Aaron Okeanos" (@AaronOkeanos) on "The EU - America Trade Deal: Why The TTIP Failed - TLDR News" video.
The way the EU countries handled Covid should be more than enough evidence of extreme differences in some areas.
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Not quite that and the video is in the right channel. But what this video is actually showing is a prospect of what the US will do to the UK soon. I mean a trade deal negotiation which is hold in private (EU's one is public) and the trade deal details should not be published for 5 years. Completly unheard of and not a very good sign.
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In other words the US increases their to EU level. The point on this is: Some industries across the world already work on the level of the EU as "standard" with the idea: If it's EU standard/certified it's accepted everywhere including the EU.
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Yes it is. As every trade zone. Do you really think the US is not protectionist? They invented the idea. The real and more important question here is: Who is protecting what? For the EU it is clear and they are absolutely transparent about it: - Worker Rights, Worker Safety, No Exploitating of Workers - Environmental safety low pollution - Food Safety - Animal Welfare - Sustainablility - Soon also: No Tax-Avoidance, Fairness on tax payment, Low Climate-gas emissions The US is protecting - The opposit of the above for ... maximizing Profits Plus - Everyone should pay US prices for medicine and drugs - Everyone should deny generics and adhere to the extended patent time (10 years more) and deny generics in that time - Everyone must accept IP protection from the US but the US not from anyone else
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The same problem is with eggs. Why need US eggs be cooled? Well because salmonella is outside and inside the egg, while the EU chicken is healthy enough that salmonella is at best outside if at all. And why are EU eggs not washed unlike in the US? Well as said the living conditions of the animals are cruel so the outside is full of bacteria so it needs washing. Washing removes the natural protection of the eggs they have for millions of years (you know chicken lays eggs in dirty environments normally). And removing the natural protection makes it easy for the salmonella and others to get into the egg. So it needs cooling to not be infected on the way to the customer (and still is even with cooling). So better care for the animals helps both better eggs and better meat without the need to first kill everything which does not belong in or on there. But just to be fair. Even EU chickens are living in poor conditions often. If you get more informations on that it don't take long before you think twice about eating more eggs and you may start to buy it from your local farmer instead. And if EU is even that bad I don't really want to know whats happening across the pond.
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The word "protectionism" was invented by the US.
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Yes. This video was the first of two. And it's correctly here because while it was discussed UK was still a member. However the problems of TTIP have not gone away, they now popup again in the UK-US trade negotiations. The smaller version of TTIP so to speak. And this one is on the other channel.
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Yeah well, there was no regulation on cars in that regard. Do you really complain the EU has not enough regulation? Careful they might take you up on that and ensure car companies can never do this again. Before you know it they ban diesel cars altogether (also because of climate change). You can say a lot about the EU, but they learn from their mistakes.
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@blancavelasquez9859 In the UK the Boomer are a problem. Not on the continent. Even the idea of Boomers, Millenials and all of this is only known in the anglosphere. The EU doesn't care. Welcome in the new post-Covid world.
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@eleanoroakley2300 I would not. We have enough of unregulated trade and corporations playing out countries against each other. 70 years now this practise is keeping a small number of people rich on the cost of hole societies. It's time for a new era and the EU is exactly that and even very successful so far 40 years and counting. So welcome to a new world.
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Are you really sure. Please check the cases of Food Poisining between US and EU and than come back better prepared.
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@BLane-xr1ic I suggest you travel more to get a wider perspective. Ah sorry, now you need a visa to visit the EU. And regarding the worker rights ... well British Airways started already. They talk with every employee and force them to accept worse conditions and longer hours or they can go. And BA will be just the first. UK workers will lose all their protections from the EU in 164 days. Brexit will make UK more and more like the US. Corona-wise it already supassed them.
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And don't want to lose their jobs because of some cheats using free trade in combination with slave labour and environmental pollution or potentially harmful product methods or chemicals. And soon: Don't trade with companies trying to reduce costs by avoiding taxes. Oh and: Don't trade with companies using CO2 heavy methods. It's really funny to watch this, the EU is actually improving the world even outside the EU ... by making conditions to trade with them and within them. It's ingenious really and much better suited to bring results than ideologies. However there is a ton of people not liking this very much because it reduces their profit margins.
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The EU is not a superpower, it's not even a country and don't has it's own sovereignity. And every member has a Veto. Even a small country like Luxembourg or Cyprus can veto a decission for all EU members. The EU is consenus. They only talk and agree on things all are okay with because just one can stop it. That's also the reason why the EU only discuss things which concern all of them together. This system would never work when the EU would have to do the governing of a country. That's why 92% of all laws and legistation are every members own thing and don't impact the others. Constitues 92% as being sovereign? Almost sovereign? Mostly sovereign? Well I think it's good enough to be called that especially in sight that all areas of law which are sensitive to the structure and power of a nation like constitutional laws are never discusssed on the EU level. ... Well unless someone decides to undermine the rule of law.
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You would be surprised how attrative a market with 450 mio people with developed country level wealth can be. Attractive enough to look for a way to comply with their regulations and get a certification for your product ... or avoid the tariffs and invest directly in a company in the EU because the high-taxes and high worker costs are still offset by no tariffs and excellent infrastructure and short transport times and distances.
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The point it to preserve regional culture and history. I know, I know America and China don't care, but the EU does. It would be regrettable that Champagner originally coming from there stops existing there only because China and America import cheap knockoffs which brings them out of bussiness. Or Scotch and Haggis not coming from Scotland or Mozarella not from bufalo milk (sometimes the method is reserved not the region). Fish and Chips imported from China, would you like that?
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The low foodstandards make them even rich twice. Once by selling you this stuff cheap and than by treating you in hospitals for all the illnesses it creates ultimatily cancer possibily for years or even forever.
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And? Now 273,978 bn GBP exports are suddenly subject to tariffs, checks, limits, quotas, product re-certification, rules of origin all the good stuff to ruin your market. If trading outside the EU would be more profitable and more available don't you think companies in the UK would long long have done that already?
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Let's take a more problematic example: Scotch Is "Scotch" a located trade-mark in the EU?
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Fishing should be obvious even to you ... there is an Ocean between them. The ECJ will be in the trade deal. It is in every trade deal.
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We will never know if it is really good. The details will be hidden for 5 years.
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Be fair. They are talking for barely 48 hours. The talks are private and so far not much is known. Now it's even extended. A video would be a little premature with too much speculation and not enough substance.
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@paulusbexkens4392 Isn't there already a video about the 500 bn care package out there. Should contain some of your points.
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It's unworkable and I can proof it with a single question: How man lorries are traveling between Canada and the EU every day?
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The problem is not the Chlorine, the meat is.
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I hate to break it to you, but you are here on the EU channel of TLDR. You have to expect that this channel is actually talking about the EU. In addition to that, this failed trade deal begun while the UK was a full member and ended while the UK was still a full member. So not really wrong how it was presented.
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I can't see the the US agreeing to a "Level Playing Field" anytime soon. They always follow the policy "US first". Who knows maybe a democrat with wider more open view than just to his next election and in the context of Corona is willing to consider it. A cross atlantic cooperation of fair conditions for both sides could help jumpstarting the economy on both sides and across the planet.
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Depends on if you want to make fair bussinness or want to cheat the market with dirty tricks. Guess why the Single Market is so successfull and steadily growing and why the EU is so protective about it because the companies making bussiness in this market actually liking it. They fully support the protection of the Single Market or it would be burried long ago. They even dropped UK market and not forced EU governments to concede to the UK simply because even they see that the integrity of the Single Market is worth more than UK market.
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Less maneuveuable actually. Lower Worker Rights, Less Regulation. It's completly against EU, but UK loves it. And now UK getting it by Brexit. So yes, US-UK is more likely, but US-EU is less likely than ever, especially with Trump.
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A little concern regarding China?
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Not really sure how you mean this. But the EU has 36 Trade Deals with 40 countries outside the EU sometimes even Free Trade Deals. And a ton of minor trade agreements to a total of over 100. So although there were (including UK) 28 countries with different goals and different industry and services and vastly different wealth they somehow managed to achieve so many deals together.
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Funny. The EU wants to protect UK workers from that, even slavers from the UK and people voted to get rid of the very thing which ensured their worker rights. Well you'll see soon enough.
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Today the Tory 80 seats majority (but not all Tories) decided on a new act which removes the ability for parliament to vote on trade deals. The executive can agree on trade deals on their own. In addition to that, protections for the NHS were denied so Johnson can offer it if he wants to now.
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I would worry a little more about your northern neighbour China. And stop watching this crap on Sky Australia. Murdoch Media is brainwashing you.
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The Americans are not the problem. Trump and the greedy corporations trying to exploit us instead of working with us are the issue.
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I'm beginning to wonder if the UK already breaks EU rules and allow illegal products in the UK already. I mean it's only 165 days now the EU will not bother at this point.
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I wonder if Corona now changes the perspective on some of it. A fair and changed TTIP might be more intresting than ever. However the EU will not trade on a free trade basis without a level playing field. They would risk the exisiting free trade deals with the world if they allow too much. But maybe the US will be more open to fairness with 40 mio unemployed.
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It's not an illusion. 450 mio people living in this already. They only want to make sure the US is not corrupting it by a single trade deal.
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And the US learned something from it. Do not disclose the details. Therefore now the US asked the UK to keep quite on the details even AFTER the deal has been made for 5 years. Not a good sign if you ask me.
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@potoemkin Until they find out how they have been cheated.
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You mean "us" the UK was EU too. EDIT: Funny actually I noticed something: The 2nd sentence to the rest perfectly descibes Brexiteers. I assume you don't mind me using that?
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What dealings for example?
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In other words the thing we had for 70 years now and which proved to create too many problems. The main issues here being: Companies are globalized (for half a century) laws, taxes and regulations end at the border which allows globalized companies to exploit one country against the other. Thanks we had that long enough. It's time for something new.
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