Comments by "MBKKT 90" (@mbkkt9094) on "Can Astrologists u0026 Astronomers See Eye To Eye? | Middle Ground" video.

  1. If the scientific method doesn't apply to it, then it can;t be tested and be shown to be true
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  2. Well that's a debate I would like to see
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  3.  @Banana-eb8qr  " Christian Science" isn't simply referring to any scientist who is a Christian. It's a specific sub-sect or movement within Christianity
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  4. Kind of irrelevant if both kinds of astrology are not grounded in fact
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  5. What study is that? Because I typed "moon affects us physically" into Google and literally the first thing that came up was the British Royal Museums asserting there is zero proof it does
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  6. "the perfect distance away and the perfect size for life." What do you mean by that?
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  7. They are open minded. They gave plenty of opportunities for the astrologers to explain their views, they asked fair questions, they weren't rude or aggressive. They just didn't accept what they were told, as they shouldn't in this instance
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  8. Are you suggesting that if people did more research they would find there is truth to astrology?
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  9.  @wakandaforeva6316  It all sounds like a lot of "can" and "tends to". But if astrology indicates nothing for certain, how can it be tested or trusted? How can it be known to be true?
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  10. And if we "understand the language" would we find truth to astrology?
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  11. Not really. It's the difference between what we know to be real and what people claim to be real
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  12.  @baseballfan69  How do you know that?
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  13.  @baseballfan69  And what proof do you have that it is real?
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  14.  @baseballfan69  Ok. So what is some of that evidence?
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  15.  @baseballfan69  Whatever out of the "hundreds of years of evidence, research and knowledge" you find to be the most compelling proof of the legitimacy of astrology
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  16.  @baseballfan69  And your own experiences are enough to prove astrology true? How do we go about verifying that?
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  17.  @baseballfan69  So how do we verify these experiences as genuine proof of the legitimacy of astrology?
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  18. The astronomers, as reasonable people of science recognizing the importance of immunization in this time? I would imagine so, yes
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  19. Science not knowing something doesn't mean that you can fill the gaps with what ever unfounded spiritual explanations you like though.
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  20.  @alexandradorman3034  So why should trust a spiritual explanation that claims to have answers science does not, if it has zero evidence to back it up, as in the case of astrology?
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  21. Just because people used it doesn't mean it works.
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  22. You don't think the truth of spiritual beliefs deserve examination?
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  23.  @aubreyarchives  I am confused. If you can't prove some of the beliefs of astrology, then how did people even arrive at these beliefs to begin with? How did they establish these connections? And of course humanity should be focused on facts. If the claims of astrology are true, we as a species need to completely reevaluate our understanding of the cosmos. It's a huge claim. Anybody stating it's true should be able to prove as such
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  24.  @aubreyarchives  And I would question anybody who claimed those belief systems were true as we ll. It makes perfect sense to put them against each other. Astrologers are making truth claims relating to certain celestial bodies, so they are matched with experts on the cosmos
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  25.  @aubreyarchives  I am not trying to win you over as such. Just stating why I think it is fair to match these two.
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  26. Psychics, astrologers etc have caused proven harm by preying on the vulnerable and gullible for financial gain.
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  27. Both sides are NOT valid
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  28.  @wilsonfevans  Not at all. One is a science grounded in fact, one is a pseudoscience that is not. One deals in truth, the other does not
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  29. How were they mean?
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  30. And what would one find upon doing research?
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  31. Not really. There are myths and superstitions shared across many cultures. Doesn't mean there's any actual truth to them
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  32.  @self.destructr  If it is not grounded in fact and clear demonstrable evidence it is most definitely comprised of mere myths and superstitions. And much as many cultures practicing it doesn't mean it is in any way true, famous figures throughout history being associated with it also does not
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  33. Correct on one out of 3 there bud
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  34.  @MrSexyScottish  Are you actually from Scotland?
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  35. But do astrologers claim it is factually true? That is the issue the astronomers likely have and that many do with topics like astrology
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  36.  @sehmmideo5520  "The moon is also 180 times the diameter of the moon"...?
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  37.  @sehmmideo5520  I am going to hope you typed that incorrectly, because the way it is written, it is not even remotely close to being true
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  38. I don;t understand. Who do you think needs to be more educated on a topic?
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  39. What research?
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  40. What difference would it have made?
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  41. Wouldn't the simpler more reasonable explanation be that you simply don't like a particular personality trait typically assigned to those of a particular star sign?
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  42.  @rajatsoni3763  What do you mean?
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  43. What would be any different with "educated astrologers"?
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  44.  @motivatedmind8166  How so? They would present compelling evidence?
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  45.  @theoutlandishblueprint2419  It doesn't matter if something is systematically organized. A well organized collection of baseless claims is still just a collection of baseless claims
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  46. And astrology has become irrelevant in the face of astronomy
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  47.  @myathemango2936  Yes. Clearly
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  48. And achieved what? If the seasoned veterans had better clear answers and evidence, the truth of astrology wouldn't even be up for debate
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  49. Yeah, it's pseudo-science
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  50. You don't trust science because it might sometimes be later proven wrong as our knowledge increases?
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  51. Because there seems to be no compelling reason to believe the claims of astrology
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  52.  @tiny-grimes  Well said
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  53.  @wakandaforeva6316  The chart doesn't determine your personality? So what is astrology stating?
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  54.  @wakandaforeva6316  So it's a map about your life , which determines absolutely nothing about your life and could end up being completely wrong....?
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  55.  @wakandaforeva6316  So I fail to see how it of any use, could be considered trustworthy or claimed to be true
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  56.  @wakandaforeva6316  And how do we verify that information does indeed accurately match those individuals? How do we use these personal claims of accuracy to verify the truth of astrology?
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  57.  @wakandaforeva6316  Why? Would seem that if it is an ancient practice they and the followers of astrology have had plenty of time to prove its truth to the world and haven't succeeded in all that time
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  58.  @wakandaforeva6316  Well, no. Something has been proven or it hasn't. It's not about perspective, it's about objective fact. Astrology has never been shown to be factually true, despite being around for so long
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  59.  @wakandaforeva6316  I am not attempting to push anybody down. But should somebody be claiming astrology is true, it is perfectly reasonable of me to ask them to prove that, no?
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  60. "Why can’t the scientific laws and explanations for how the world works coexist with the explanations for things that science just can’t explain." Because the scientific laws have evidence and proof behind them. Things like astrology do not and should not be treated as equally true or valid
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  61. Are you suggesting that the questions and critiques of the astronomers and skeptics of astrology wouldn't hold up against somebody who has studied it for longer?
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  62.  @Soulene  But I don't think the aim of this series is necessarily to always find a middle ground, but to see if it is even possible that one can be achieved. Even if people who studied astrology longer were brought in, I don't see how any middle ground would have been achieved.
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