Comments by "Walter Bailey" (@walterbailey2950) on "TIKhistory" channel.

  1.  @12q8  There’s nothing to figure out about your words other than that you’re making up your own alternate reality.
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  2.  @12q8  I wasn’t the one who brought up the mischaracterization of left vs right. What you’ve done now is simply state the proposition the way you should have in the first place. One caveat still applies: anarchy(which is what passes as the libertarian goal these days) doesn’t help you avoid authoritarianism. It hastens its arrival.
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  3.  @12q8  Well if the left right paradigm is really outmoded why do you keep involking it? Why is it so important for you to keep casting the left as the only one that’s authoritarian and the right always purely as individual. You haven’t modernized the description of authoritarianism: you’ve propagandized it. You’re still trying to say that this only happens on the left. You just won’t admit it.
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  4. Evidence in the hands of another libertarian ideologue is just going to get twisted to fit a predetermined conclusion no matter how much of it you assemble because the conclusion has already been decided upon and it’s simply an effort to find the evidence needed to support it and ignore the rest. This is not how a true historian writes.
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  5.  @TheImperatorKnight  Hitler’s “revolution” was all about restoring something that he genuinely believed was an ancient German tribal identity. In order to achieve this he did a great many things to preserve traditional German authoritarian structures. It’s no accident that he got the support of the German elite both economic and hereditary. To compare that to the mass killing of Russian or French aristocracy in those true revolutions is ludicrous.
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  6. Whatever you do, don’t ever associate anything evil or Orwellian, with Conservatives: find some bizarre contortion of logic to suggest that right wing authoritarians are actually leftist, despite their bitter hatred of leftists and everything they stood for, and see how many people you can fool.
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  7.  @colebehnke7767  name a policy that they implemented that they were actually against and I’ll prove you wrong
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  8.  @colebehnke7767  and I was asking you to give an example of a policy they implemented that they were against. I call BS.
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  9.  @colebehnke7767  I’m saying that you don’t know what you’re talking about
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  10.  @colebehnke7767  I’m saying that you’re mouthing a silly delusion of ignoramuses on the right who just can’t handle any suggestion that there is anything but goodness associated with the right.
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  11.  @colebehnke7767  this mythology comes from the same mindset as that of the claim that there were tens of thousands of black confederate combat troops.
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  12.  @colebehnke7767  he didn’t end private property rights. There is more major industry in private hands in Germany than England in 1943. And the Nazi labor organization weekend worker bargaining didn’t strengthen it.
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  13.  @colebehnke7767  there was an extensive welfare system created in the late 19th century under Bismarck and expand during the time or republic. Hitler scaled it back. Wage and price controls were implemented earlier in the United States, and most every other major belligerent.
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  14. communism is everything for the benefit of the dictator: so by that measure Louis the 14th was a communist. I don’t think so
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  15. Strasser was well to the left of Hitler but even he wasn’t a Marxist despite what Hitler said about him. That’s the explanation
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  16.  @johns3927  The problem with the idea that Strawser made all of this up is that Hitler was also quoted by others and even made speeches such as the one in Bamberg rejecting leftist economic measures and extolling the virtues of private property. If you’re accusing Strasser of fabricating discussions he had with Hitler, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence by the way: where is yours?
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  17.  @johns3927  Yeah it’s amazing that you can quote those sources and then come up with the final paragraph that you did. When you look at what Hitler actually did once he had power especially that’s absurd. He didn’t confiscate wealth or nationalize the property of aristocrats, industrialists and that’s in line with what he said he was going to do to the Strassers and at Bamberg. He wasn’t compromising between collectivism, which is a modern libertarian catchword, and individualism. He was reframing traditional private property holding and capitalism in order to unite the master race as one people whose interests were united. He was also cutting the blocks out from under the leftists remaining in the Nazi party encouraging those who would to abandon leftism and preparing to kill those who wouldn’t.
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  18.  @johns3927  Nope it’s not a matter what I think. It’s a matter what actually happened. In point of fact he didn’t do anything to socialize the means of production. All you have are things he said while he was working to seize power to deceive people that he wanted to use for his own ends. All the evidence of what he actually did shows that he was on the far right. All the corporations, land holders who kept their wealth and enriched themselves throughout the years of the third Reich, All the privatization under the Nazis, All of the things that Hitler did to take away rights of workers to make capitalism less restricted under his rule than it was even in imperial Germany show that Hitler was in point of fact and in every meaningful way a right wing dictator who was implacably opposed to the agenda of the left and everything it stood for. Your desire to reconfigure him as a leftist doesn’t matter because he didn’t do actually anything consistent with core leftist ideological principles.
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  19.  @johns3927  Well what Hitler called Socialism ideologically had nothing to do with what the left call socialism. Is that clear enough for you? We’re talking about two entirely different things using the same word and Hitler himself was explicit about this: “Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.” Hitler 1938
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  20.  @johns3927  yeah that’s a bunch of nonsense. What happened in the Soviet Union was completely different from what happened in Nazi Germany the videos lame attempt at comparison notwithstanding. Hitler actually privatized more industry than Western democracies at the same period of time; he certainly didn’t engage in the kind of mass confiscation of agricultural and industrial property and central planning found in the Soviet union or anything like it, not even remotely close. There were no private industrialists who got wealthy in the Soviet union because they didn’t exist under Stalin. But they most definitely did exist under Hitler. Playing word games in order to make state property sound like private property is the Soviet Union is just lying.
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  21.  @johns3927  As the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea shows, truly democratic republics are not purely places with democratic systems. In North Korea you have a democratic republic that’s completely hostile to democracy and everything it stands for. We don’t want to call it anti-democratic because then we wouldn’t be using our “critical thinking skills” to simply accept whatever they call themselves at face value without question. Plus I can come up with an endless amount of research where the North Koreans said they are democratic, so what they’re actually doing is irrelevant.
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  22.  @johns3927  He didn’t abolish private property at all in one swoop or 10 swoops, in any “swoops.” And privatization was exactly what it says: things went out of state hands and put in private hands. It was privatization in exactly the same way is that it was privatization in other countries that did the same thing. Crony capitalism is still capitalism regardless of your libertarian dogma attempt to redefine what the word means. Rewarding your friends with property doesn’t make it into state property.
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  23.  @johns3927  You haven’t answered anything I’ve said and you’re asking me if “I’ve” got anything else?!🤷🏼‍♂️
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  24. I think you enjoy deluding yourself into believing that human nature is perfect so long as it remains within what you define as conservative. LOL This is just as ludicrous as the Marxist belief in a classless society
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  25.  @vegvisirphotography5632  Guess you’ve never seen the Nazi propaganda depicting African-Americans as apes and the like. You really have no clue what you’re talking about
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  26.  @MrFrankfurt13  Really all they have in common is authoritarianism and not even that in every case.
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  27.  @JK-rv9tp  LOL.. You’re ignorant of core leftist ideological principles which deny that Darwinian competition is ever justifiable and in fact hold that they make Socialism impossible. You’re trying to have your cake and eat it too acknowledging the total inconsistency between Nazi and leftist ideology while ludicrously asserting that they are still the same thing. Even more ridiculous is the assertion that they abolished private property rights when in fact thousands of people continued to own large amounts of private property and the Nazis actually increased the number privately held corporations during their rule. You’re trying to get around this by asserting that the German state had ultimate say over property. Guess what so does the United States. It’s called eminent domain. And neither the Nazi state nor the US have used their authority to nationalize major industries a la a socialist state. It just didn’t happen. In fact the number of private corporations that enriched themselves under Nazi rule is quite long and in fact includes corporations that still rake in private profits to this day. To accept your definition of Socialism is to throw out the entire history of socialist ideology and simply assert that all government of any kind is by definition socialist and that the only way to avoid Socialism is anarchy. Ridiculous!
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  28.  YourRationalWorldisaCircleJerk  You can’t change it retroactively without a time machine genius. Propaganda like what you’re pushing is nothing more than deception, an attempt to hide what is real behind a lie. And objective truth is not something that you can win or lose. It just is. But you’re so ignorant and so blindly partisan much like the Nazis were that you don’t even understand objective truth anymore. It’s like the only truth you know is what your “side” tells you. But this puts on the kind of ideological blinders that prevent you from even knowing yourself, making any meaningful victory impossible.
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  29.  @ericharmon7163  Sorry but I can tell that you don’t have the faintest idea what you’re talking about because of what you’re saying and because I’ve read original sources in the history of ideas. You don’t want to hear it because you fancy yourself something that you’re not without having bothered to learn what you need to order to say something meaningful. That doesn’t change because you want it to be otherwise. There is no substitute for studying the history of ideas if you want understand a historical ideology like that of the Nazis. But I can see you’d rather puff yourself up with self congratulations for having watched videos on YouTube from another uneducated person who Cherry picks his way through history without knowledge of the context or genuine context for truth. Your ignorance will remain not as good as my knowledge.
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  30.  @trystdodge6177  It wasn’t an accident doofus. They were Statists, Just like the conservative authoritarian imperial German rulers before them. Nazi Statism is in fact how they won the support of those conservatives. I know that in your very uneducated and limited view of history you have no idea that statism has a much longer conservative history than it does a leftist history but that doesn’t change the reality. Just what you know in the present day in the United States doesn’t tell you anything about the history of ideology in Europe.
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  31.  @trystdodge6177  Of course, the American left was founded by people like Jefferson in reaction against statism-that kind of statism that existed in conservatism European monarchical states like Hohenzollern Germany at the time. But you don’t know that because you’re ignorant of history. You’re not very bright either are you?
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  32.  @trystdodge6177  Quite well actually. It’s what separates me from you: a fool who has no idea what he’s talking about. I could recommend some sources from my European intellectual history seminar. But I doubt you have enough prerequisite reading or comprehension to understand them.
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  33. @wOkeKing There was only one Marxist historian in my university history department when I was in graduate school.
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  34.  @awkwardautistic  It doesn’t fit into the American right or left paradigm but it is most definitely part of the European right. Ethnocentric and solipsistic Americans can’t fit it into their paradigm so they assume that it doesn’t fit into any paradigm. It would be better if they based their judgments on knowledge instead of ignorance.
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  35.  @awkwardautistic  Oh OK I see: you’re a fascist intellectual. You’re a true believer in an ideology of genocide which seeks to destroy whole classes of human beings as supposedly sub human. Stripped to its essentials you’re advocating barbarism in order to preserve what you call civilization, a civilization built on irrationality and violence. I will always be proud of the fact that my grandfather risked his life and endured great hardship to destroy the forces of your utterly depraved ideology.
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  36.  @awkwardautistic  Yes I studied European intellectual history in graduate school. And understanding the history and development of fascist ideology since the French revolution didn’t make me any more likely to support it. Don’t waste your time trying to turn me into a fascist
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  37. “Collectivist ideology” is a contemporary buzz phrase of libertarians that doesn’t mean much in the 19th century or early 20th century. It’s a way to make sweeping generalizations which ignore the principles of ideology from the past in order to categorize virtually everything that involves government as socialist.
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  38. Libertarian’s obsession with purging the right of any connection with anything even unpleasant puts them in the same company with utopian ideologues of the far left: attempting to live outside of reality for the sake of their dogma.
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  39. No part of Hitler’s origins lie on the left. that’s ludicrous Hitler hijacked a leftist organization and turned it completely inside out. He himself never pursued and implacably opposed leftist goals.
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  40.  @ThunderChunky101  Leftist economics were anathema to the Nazis. Leftist social policies were anathema to the Nazis. Hitler himself made this abundantly clear. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not. Marxism places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.
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  41.  @virgil6873  In principle, the government protects the economic interests of the German volk not by taking a round about way through an economic bureaucracy to be organized by the state but by the utmost promotion of private initiative and a recognition of the rights of property. Adolf Hitler 1938
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  42.  @virgil6873  No he wasn’t. And he had killed people who were.
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  43.  @neboyshanicolich761  It's impossible to be true to core socialist ideological principles and also follow an ideology based on nationalism. It is a non-sequitur.
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  44.  @CantusTropus  One actually need not "endorse" Hitler's beliefs in order to understand them and differentiate them from those of the left. But libertarians are usually ideologues incapable of understanding the concept of critical analysis outside of the rigid blinders of ideology. So no surprise that you have to call me a communist simply because of my objective view. Objectivity is a concept alien to the libertarian mind these days.
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  45.  @donaldsheckler3636  There have been plenty of socialists who were nationalistic in spite of their socialist principles, but never any who were nationalistic BECAUSE of them.
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  46.  @chaptermasterpedrokantor1623  Hitler was very consistent in defending private property of wealthy "aryans" and avoiding the kind of seizure of the means of production found in true socialist states at the time.
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  47.  @ThunderChunky101  You just can't point out a single one of these supposed "non sequiturs" right?
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  48.  @ThunderChunky101  Nazis and communists were ideological enemies, because their core principles were diametrically opposed to each other.
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  49.  @thelizardking3036  Hitler was very consistent in opposing leftist policies in both his words and deeds.
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  50.  @fasteddy9312  Hitler opposed democracy for what he said was its propensity to destroy capitalism and produce communism.
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