Comments by "Perry Douglas" (@PerryDouglas-v5h) on "Vox"
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Critical details VOX left out! Intentionally!!!
At the time of the 14A, that was historically only for freed slaves, everyone else was still held to our preexisting requirements, laws regarding our two (2) levels of native citizenship, with different level of birthright!
Keep these things in mind throughout all of this. At the time U.S. law was children were born the nationality of their father and subject to the jurisdiction of their father’s country. It did not matter if they were born in the U.S.A., they weren’t eligible for American citizenship at all just by being born here. At least the father had to be an American citizen for the child to be born an American citizen at all.
Also women did not have independent citizenship until 1922. Unmarried women were the nationality of their father, while married women were the nationality of their husband.
These are the two levels of native citizenship and the requirements, criteria surrounding them at the time of the amendment! For everyone else except the freed slaves the 14A was for!
The “Citizen” (aka native born Citizen) with Limited Birthright required being born of at least a citizen father, whether in the country, or abroad.
The “natural born Citizen” with Total and Complete birthright requires one being born in the country, of parents who are citizens. The United States of America is “the country”. The child must be born in specifically a state. This means the father must have been an American citizen and married to the mother, for both parents to be citizens. At the time! Then when women gained independent citizenship in 1922, it became both parents must be independent citizens!!
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Seriously, get our of your own heads and read this! Sorry, but learn something!!!
The 14A “Citizen” is the same level of citizenship that George Washington and all the earliest “Citizens” of the nation, who were not born of citizens, were granted upon adoption of the Constitution in 1788. Then what’s below is extremely important, because you are being lied to!
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution in part states: “No Person except a Natural Born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President,”
12A holds the VP to the same requirement!
The Citizen do not have birthright to our highest offices! Not for a very, very long time now!!!
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@ Here all the details!
At the time of the 14A, that was historically only for freed slaves, everyone else was still held to our preexisting requirements, laws regarding our two (2) levels of native citizenship, with different level of birthright!
Keep these things in mind throughout all of this. At the time U.S. law was children were born the nationality of their father and subject to the jurisdiction of their father’s country. It did not matter if they were born in the U.S.A., they weren’t eligible for American citizenship at all just by being born here. At least the father had to be an American citizen for the child to be born an American citizen at all.
Also women did not have independent citizenship until 1922. Unmarried women were the nationality of their father, while married women were the nationality of their husband.
These are the two levels of native citizenship and the requirements, criteria surrounding them at the time of the amendment! For everyone else except the freed slaves the 14A was for!
The “Citizen” (aka native born Citizen) with Limited Birthright required being born of at least a citizen father, whether in the country, or abroad.
The “natural born Citizen” with Total and Complete birthright requires one being born in the country, of parents who are citizens. The United States of America is “the country”. The child must be born in specifically a state. This means the father must have been an American citizen and married to the mother, for both parents to be citizens. At the time! Then when women gained independent citizenship in 1922, it became both parents must be independent citizens!!
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@ For starters, the amendment was in 1868, and just for a moment forget about the corruption that occurred with the decision of Wong Kim Ark in 1898, 30 years later. The amendment was only for the freed at the time. The phrase “subject to its jurisdiction” excludes children born of foreigners. Everyone else besides the freed it was for, were still subject to our preexisting requirements, laws, to be born either of our two levels of native citizenship, with different levels of birthright.
Keep this in mind. At the time women did not have independent citizenship. Women were either the nationality of their father, or if married, then they were the nationality of their husband. At the time children were born entirely the nationality of their father, even if born in the U.S.A.. The U.S.A. had no jurisdiction over children born of foreign fathers! The nationality of the father was everything at the time!!!
The requirements, the laws in 1868!
“Citizen” (native born Citizen), Limited Birthright: The child must be born of at least a citizen father, but can be born in the country, or abroad.
“natural born Citizen”, Total and Complete Birthright: The child must be born in the country, of citizen parents. At the time this meant the father had to be an American citizen and married to the mother, making them both American citizens by attachment. This is known as Coverture. A legal doctrine that merged a married woman’a identity with her husband’s identity.
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Critical details VOX left out! Intentionally!!!
At the time of the 14A, that was historically only for freed slaves, everyone else was still held to our preexisting requirements, laws regarding our two (2) levels of native citizenship, with different level of birthright!
Keep these things in mind throughout all of this. At the time U.S. law was children were born the nationality of their father and subject to the jurisdiction of their father’s country. It did not matter if they were born in the U.S.A., they weren’t eligible for American citizenship at all just by being born here. At least the father had to be an American citizen for the child to be born an American citizen at all.
Also women did not have independent citizenship until 1922. Unmarried women were the nationality of their father, while married women were the nationality of their husband.
These are the two levels of native citizenship and the requirements, criteria surrounding them at the time of the amendment! For everyone else except the freed slaves the 14A was for!
The “Citizen” (aka native born Citizen) with Limited Birthright required being born of at least a citizen father, whether in the country, or abroad.
The “natural born Citizen” with Total and Complete birthright requires one being born in the country, of parents who are citizens. The United States of America is “the country”. The child must be born in specifically a state. This means the father must have been an American citizen and married to the mother, for both parents to be citizens. At the time! Then when women gained independent citizenship in 1922, it became both parents must be independent citizens!!
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Example. George Washington was granted being a “Citizen” (aka native born Citizen) with no need of naturalization, because there was no naturalization policy until 1790, and Limited Birthright of “right of the soil” upon adoption of the Constitution in 1788. And this was considered to retroactively date back to the founding of the nation in 1776, because despite his being born in the British colonies, he was a native born resident of the soil that later became part of the U.S.A., after the British colonies were dissolved. He was not an immigrant, he did not come from a foreign country to be a permanent resident in another. He was “native born Citizen”, which is what the “Citizen” with need of naturalization is also referred to and known as in our recorded history.Again, he was NOT an immigrant!
The 14A “Citizens” were treated essentially the same way, because they were mostly native born residents of the soil and not immigrants, that were previously held in captivity and denied rights and citizenship.
Not immigrants! Obama lied! Get over it!!!
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Example. George Washington was granted being a “Citizen” (aka native born Citizen) with no need of naturalization, because there was no naturalization policy until 1790, and Limited Birthright of “right of the soil” upon adoption of the Constitution in 1788. And this was considered to retroactively date back to the founding of the nation in 1776, because despite his being born in the British colonies, he was a native born resident of the soil that later became part of the U.S.A., after the British colonies were dissolved. He was not an immigrant, he did not come from a foreign country to be a permanent resident in another. He was “native born Citizen”, which is what the “Citizen” with need of naturalization is also referred to and known as in our recorded history.Again, he was NOT an immigrant!
The 14A “Citizens” were treated essentially the same way, because they were mostly native born residents of the soil and not immigrants, that were previously held in captivity and denied rights and citizenship.
Not immigrants! Obama lied! Get over it!!!
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@ I’ll give you an example. If I simply remove the 1898 decision, that was in violation of the Constitution’s true laws and historical intent of the 14A to begin with, this is what we get today and after all other changes in our laws since.
The “Citizen” with Limited Birthright through Jus Soli, also known as the “native born Citizen”, must be born of at least one citizen, but can be born in the country, or abroad. Today this can be the mother, or the father, if not both, and they can be a Citizen, natural born Citizen, or naturalized Citizen.
The Article II “natural born Citizen” with Total and Complete Birthright of Jus Soli, and Jus Sanguinis, that can only be inherited by being born of parents who are, must be born in the country, the country being the states, and of parents who are citizens. They can be a Citizen, natural born Citizen, or naturalized Citizen, just so long as both are citizens.
The naturalized Citizen is obviously someone who is naturalized as an American naturalized Citizen.
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@ This is a part of my heritage. I am a 9th generation natural born Citizen. A Son of the American Revolution. Ancestors were amongst the earliest “Citizens” and “natural born Citizens” of the nation and pre-1790 naturalization. Upon adoption of the Constitution, all who were born in the country since July 4, 1776, of people considered to be “Citizens” since July 4, 1776, were considered to be a natural born Citizen. Born in the country, of citizen parents.
It is important to note that women did not have independent citizenship until 1922. At the time, unmarried women were the nationality of their father. While married women took on the identity of their husband through coverture. So it required the father and mother being married, for both to be considered citizens , making the child born of citizen parents and a natural born Citizen.
This is all before naturalization began in 1790! One such as James C. Calhoun was, as well as Martin Van Buren. Calhoun was the first to be a Vice President. Van Buren was the first to be a President. While everyone else from William Henry Harrison and back to Washington, were only granted being a “Citizen”, also known as the “native born Citizen”.
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@jatsko3113 Details!
At the time of the 14A, that was historically only for freed slaves, everyone else was still held to our preexisting requirements, laws regarding our two (2) levels of native citizenship, with different level of birthright!
Keep these things in mind throughout all of this. At the time U.S. law was children were born the nationality of their father and subject to the jurisdiction of their father’s country. It did not matter if they were born in the U.S.A., they weren’t eligible for American citizenship at all just by being born here, at the time of, or after the amendment. At least the father had to be an American citizen for the child to be born an American citizen at all.
Also women did not have independent citizenship until 1922. Unmarried women were the nationality of their father, while married women were the nationality of their husband.
These are the two levels of native citizenship and the requirements, criteria surrounding them at the time of the amendment! For everyone else except the freed slaves the 14A was for!
The “Citizen” (aka native born Citizen) with Limited Birthright required being born of at least a citizen father, whether in the country, or abroad.
The “natural born Citizen” with Total and Complete birthright requires one being born in the country, of parents who are citizens. The United States of America is “the country”. The child must be born in specifically a state. This means the father must have been an American citizen and married to the mother, for both parents to be citizens. At the time! Then when women gained independent citizenship in 1922, it became both parents must be independent citizens!!
Now why are these critical details? It’s because the U.S. Constitution requires one are a “natural born Citizen” to be President and Vice President!
While VOX are lying that we only have one level of native citizenship and birthright!!!
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Seriously, get our of your own heads and read this! Sorry, but learn something real for once!!!
The 14A “Citizen” is the same level of citizenship that George Washington and all the earliest “Citizens” of the nation, who were not born of citizens, were granted upon adoption of the Constitution in 1788. Then what’s below is extremely important, because you are being lied to!
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution in part states: “No Person except a Natural Born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President,”
12A holds the VP to the same requirement!
The Citizen do not have birthright to our highest offices! Not for a very, very long time now!!!
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Seriously, get our of your own heads and read this! Sorry, but learn something real for once!!!
The 14A “Citizen” is the same level of citizenship that George Washington and all the earliest “Citizens” of the nation, who were not born of citizens, were granted upon adoption of the Constitution in 1788. Then what’s below is extremely important, because you are being lied to!
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution in part states: “No Person except a Natural Born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President,”
12A holds the VP to the same requirement!
The Citizen do not have birthright to our highest offices! Not for a very, very long time now!!!
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@StepsOfStPhilips Seriously, get our of your own heads and read this! Sorry, but learn something real for once!!!
The 14A “Citizen” is the same level of citizenship that George Washington and all the earliest “Citizens” of the nation, who were not born of citizens, were granted upon adoption of the Constitution in 1788. Then what’s below is extremely important, because you are being lied to!
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution in part states: “No Person except a Natural Born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President,”
12A holds the VP to the same requirement!
The Citizen do not have birthright to our highest offices! Not for a very, very long time now!!!
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@dantechang8556 From July 4, 1776 and until after the 1898 decision, no one was granted citizenship as a “Citizen” with no need of naturalization and Limited Birthright through Jus Soli, EXCEPT for on three (3) special occasions. The earliest “Citizens” of the nation upon adoption of the Constitution in 1788 and pre-1790 naturalization, mostly native born residents of the soil, who were not born of citizen parents. The 14A “Citizens”, mostly native born residents of the soil, who were not born of citizen parents. The individual involved in the 1898 decision, a native born resident of the soil, who was not born of citizen parents.
Yes George Washington was the same level of citizenship as the 14A “Citizen”, and the “Citizen” the individual involved in the 1898 decision was. Let’s stop playing games here!!!
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Here’s all the details that aren’t being mentioned here!
At the time of the 14A, that was historically only for freed slaves, everyone else was still held to our preexisting requirements, laws regarding our two (2) levels of native citizenship, with different levels of birthright!
Keep these things in mind throughout all of this. At the time U.S. law was children were born the nationality of their father and subject to the jurisdiction of their father’s country. It did not matter if they were born in the U.S.A., they weren’t eligible for American citizenship at all just by being born here. At least the father had to be an American citizen for the child to be born an American citizen at all.
Also women did not have independent citizenship until 1922. Unmarried women were the nationality of their father, while married women were the nationality of their husband.
These are the two levels of native citizenship and the requirements, criteria surrounding them at the time of the amendment! For everyone else except the freed slaves the 14A was for!
The “Citizen” (aka native born Citizen) with Limited Birthright required being born of at least a citizen father, whether in the country, or abroad.
The “natural born Citizen” with Total and Complete birthright requires one being born in the country, of parents who are citizens. The United States of America is “the country”. The child must be born in specifically a state. This means the father must have been an American citizen and married to the mother, for both parents to be citizens. At the time! Then when women gained independent citizenship in 1922, it became both parents must be independent citizens!!
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