Comments by "Roger Scott Cathey" (@rogerscottcathey) on "Sabine Hossenfelder"
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@William Verhoef :
Your Ultra -conservative approach might pass muster for any regular year and has been used over and over by apologists for the cut, burn and poison policy in cancer for decades, even after many devastating analyses by multiple doctors and statisticians over the years since Nixon's "declaration" of "the war on cancer". Nevertheless their approach has killed thousands and thousands more people than it has ever saved from cancer. It has been a free-for-all of human vivisection.
Your approach, what you are arguing, is that it is better to let thousands suffocate from cytokine storms than prophylactically utilize a drug whose estimated Human Equivalent Lethal Dose is 8mg/kg. No one is ever dosed prophylactically more than little as 200 MICROGRAMS/Kg, and as much as 300, 400, and 800 mcg/kg have been seen, orally, and little more than annoyance factors. The so-called LD cases attributed to IVM, 4, all had comorbidities. That is out of 3+ BILLION users.
You really have not studied this. I am not answering you so much as I sense you are obstinately and willfully ignorant and trying to discourage readers from taking the I-MASK and Madagascar and other protocols that work seriously. We know Taiwan is utilizing it, as they were among the earliest to recognise the significance if the MONASH institute study. They consulted with Dr. Borody and others and that was in May. Madagascar implemented it in April. We have all their data, though Taiwan is very tight lipped, the Madagascar data is all out there.
Dr. Borody, Dr. Abreu and Dr. Marik and others go over all your objections, which is how I know you are not serious in your refutation attempts, or you would save your breath.
I dont know what your game is, but it is a waste of my valuable time attempting to convince you to question your own evident certainty that you know better by shallow research than doctors devoting their lives to saving lives.
I am looking forward to your spending time to bring back to this arena at least an informed opinion and yet, the objections as yet are meritless.
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The multitargeted drug ivermectin: from an antiparasitic agent to a repositioned cancer drug
Mandy Juarez, Alejandro Schcolnik-Cabrera, and Alfonso Dueñas-Gonzalez
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5835698/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259386216_Rethinking_the_war_on_cancer
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/sorry-but-so-far-war-on-cancer-has-been-a-bust/
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/cancer-medicine-is-failing-us/
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04425863
IVM LD, rats: 50 mg/kg
IVM LD, HED: 8 mg/kg
That dose is actually estimated, not proven. Naturally.
https://go.drugbank.com/drugs/DB00602
https://www.controlsolutionsinc.com/news/what-you-need-to-know-about-toxicity-ratings/
"Let’s look at some specific examples:
"The LD50 value for common table salt is approximately 3000 mg/kg when administered orally. In comparison, the LD50 value for aspirin is 200 mg/kg when administered orally.
"So, which common household substance, salt or aspirin, is more toxic?
"In this case, aspirin is much more toxic than salt. In fact, the LD50 for aspirin is 10 times lower than standard table salt and therefore considerably more toxic of a substance."
The multitargeted drug ivermectin: from an antiparasitic agent to a repositioned cancer drug
Mandy Juarez, Alejandro Schcolnik-Cabrera, and Alfonso Dueñas-Gonzalez
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5835698/
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Taiwanese, Australian scientists join forces to test Ivermectin to fight coronavirus
Taiwanese, Australian researchers to study effectiveness of Ivermectin against Wuhan coronavirus
By Keoni Everington, Taiwan News, Staff Writer
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https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3934401
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Physical distancing is the traditional medical term used in preventive and safety measures against viral spread and is the correct terminology. "Social distancing" is a loaded term. Its advocation expresses isolation, implies powerlessness, capitulation, obedience and fear. It is a politically loaded and tactical term.
The science on masks is irretrievably divided as to effectiveness. I mean serious studies have shown even masks in surgeries have equivocal results. In other words, no proof mask wearing in ORs saves lives or prevents post-op infections. More likely culprits suspected are insterile OR's or post-surgical infection from other sources. Indeed, one study suggests masks increase problems in ORs.
We dont need any vaccine for this politically exacerbated and stimulated scourge anyway.
The greatest harm being done right now is due to the abysmal and seemingly intentional ignoring of the almost miraculous effectiveness of Ivermectin against sars-coV-2 disease.
I think there is little doubt this neglect and suppression of the news of Ivermectin is intentional. It competes with the bigger money maker, or the bigger tax write off, for big pharmas like Pfizer and others of their putative 90% effective vaccine.
Listen to this story from Dr. Jennifer Hibberd regarding the serendipitous discovery that Ivermectin would end up saving the lives of an entire Canadian nursing home population from a covid-19 outbreak: because Ivermectin was being used to treat an outbreak of scabbies prior to the covid-19 showing up in the rest home! No resident became seriously ill.
And yet the nurses did come down ill, because they were NOT taking Ivermectin. That's how it was known sars-coV-2 was active there. It was an unintentionally controlled study! And all residents were elderly with co-morbidities. All survived.
The second link below is an interview with Dr. Thomas Borody regarding the success of his tri-therapy of Ivermectin, zinc and doxycycline. But to reiterate, the Nursing home story shows that Ivermectin alone does the job just fine.
Dr. Hibberd:
https://youtu.be/8XCYzpHBEkI
Dr. Borody on Ivermectin tritherapy.
https://youtu.be/PyA_FlPCWUA
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@williamverhoef4349 : They are your recommendations, indirect or not. And believe you me, millions upon millions are ignoring you. 29 million in Madagascar. 28 million in Taiwan, Millions in India are spending $2 a kit of ZIVERDO, Dr. Borody's comination therapy of Zinc, IVERmectin and DOxycycline. There are your trials all around the world,,,, and if there were some blatantly obvious problem, that news would glut every channel of the msm propaganda engines. You are preposterous now. And famous for it. Congratulations?🤔
https://m.facebook.com/groups/956045164923842/?notif_t=group_post_no_comment¬if_id=1609044391960352&ref=m_notif
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Physical distancing is the traditional medical term used in preventive and safety measures against viral spread and is the correct terminology. "Social distancing" is a loaded term. Its advocation expresses isolation and ostracization, implies powerlessness, capitulation, obedience and fear. It is a politically loaded and tactical term.
The science on masks is irretrievably divided as to effectiveness. I mean serious studies have shown even masks in surgeries have equivocal results. In other words, no proof mask wearing in ORs saves lives or prevents post-op infections. More likely culprits suspected are insterile OR's or post-surgical infection from other sources. Indeed, one study suggests masks increase problems in ORs.
We dont need any vaccine for this politically exacerbated and stimulated scourge anyway.
The greatest harm being done right now is due to the abysmal and seemingly intentional ignoring of the almost miraculous effectiveness of Ivermectin against sars-coV-2 disease.
I think there is little doubt this neglect and suppression of the news of Ivermectin is intentional. It competes with the bigger money maker, or the bigger tax write off, for big pharmas like Pfizer and others of their putative 90% effective vaccine.
Listen to this story from Dr. Jennifer Hibberd regarding the serendipitous discovery that Ivermectin would end up saving the lives of an entire Canadian nursing home population from a covid-19 outbreak: because Ivermectin was being used to treat an outbreak of scabbies prior to the covid-19 showing up in the rest home! No resident became seriously ill.
And yet the nurses did come down ill, because they were NOT taking Ivermectin. That's how it was known sars-coV-2 was active there. It was an unintentionally controlled study! And all residents were elderly with co-morbidities. All survived.
The second link below is an interview with Dr. Thomas Borody regarding the success of his tri-therapy of Ivermectin, zinc and doxycycline. But to reiterate, the Nursing home story shows that Ivermectin alone does the job just fine.
Dr. Hibberd:
https://youtu.be/8XCYzpHBEkI
Dr. Borody on Ivermectin tritherapy.
https://youtu.be/PyA_FlPCWUA
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Mask redux 3:
I have expanded links below in my comment for further scholarly articles.
I have pointed out science literature to show, just as Fauci showed by his initial position, there is scientific uncertainty regarding this issue. If you read the following papers, you'll realize that studies and articles are plentiful.
Mask wearing is not on the same level of science as sterile hand contact with internals, as in a delivery, a laparotomy or even excision of a mole. Laymen can be forgiven for ignorance of this topic and this issue, but scientists should know better. The public servants have chosen to ignore it evidently out of liability concerns more than anything else. Only it may actually do the reverse of what they expect.
As for why masks are still worn in surgeries: liability issues, whether or not the operating room, instruments or personnel had anything to do with a post-op infection, the effectiveness or not of masks is irrelevant, but exists as a weak point in a defense against a tort. Here is a relevant quote:
"Examination of the literature revealed much of the published work on the matter to be quite dated and often studies had poorly elucidated methodologies. As a result, we recommend caution in extrapolating their findings to contemporary surgical practice. However, overall there is a lack of substantial evidence to support claims that facemasks protect either patient or surgeon from infectious contamination. More rigorous contemporary research is needed to make a definitive comment on the effectiveness of surgical facemasks."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4480558/
Well other more rigorous studies were done.
The Studies of Surgical Mask Efficacy -- Arthur Firstenberg
http://12160.info/m/blogpost?id=2649739:BlogPost:2035264
https://muchadoaboutcorona.ca/face-masks-cause-wound-infection/
The following provide links to download pdfs of articles, no fee.
Neil W.M. Orr, Six month study of maskless surgery
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/
PubMed Orr article:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19310816/
Goggles more important than masks
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1964349/
Springer open source article
on mask study -- Tunevall
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01658736
Most medical journals now provide scholarly articles relating to covid free of charge at the present time.
We conceived a simple way to dispense with the issue by operating with an air hose over the back through silver ion sterilizing filters, an adaptation of the solution C.L. Kervran developed for reducing carbon monoxide poisoning to welders by breathing heated air while annealing iron plates.
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As to double blind, placebo controlled studies, this is not needed with Ivermectin, with a proven history of effectiveness, known LD50s, optimal dosages, etc. To say nothing of the immorality of such time wasting efforts. Dr. Borody compares that to the ridiculousness of such study on parachutes. Dead weight studies were sufficient to prove efficacy. First human tests were always done with safety protocols, over water, nets, etc. None were done for some jumping with, some jumping without parachutes or different parachutes. Linear comparatives or longitudinal studies were done of course, and improvements adopted.
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