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Just to update you, atheism didn't end. It's still growing.
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Get some good evidence and arguments.
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"Atheism The belief that there was once absolutely nothing. And nothing happened to the nothing" That's not atheism. At least make some effort to understand what something is before you attempt to critique it.
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Breezeful Morning "Oh you'll just have to search deeper, I know many christians and 'ex muslims' channels who did that. " Then any such title would be as absurd as Mr Hijab's one above..
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@hyper-2308 So you got everything wrong. You've been totally dismantled. ...aaaand you're still running. You claimed that there is objective meaning AND you claimed that there is no meaning without your god Over to you to support this. You've dodged this TEN TIMES. 🤦♂
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Badar never actually "destroys' Fry and his whole position is a house of cards. "you can't have free will without the possibility of suffering" - If your god can't do this then he's not all powerful. So there is no free will in your afterlife? "evil in the world is by and large the function of human actions" - Disease, famine, natural disaster, the violent horrors of the animal kingdom. Sorry but your god has to take some blame here not humans. He mentions this but never provides a good answer for it. Badar's "out"... his excuse.. for all the problems is an assertion that eternity in paradise will make up for the evil. That's not a great way to respond to the evil. You cannot support this. You can only assert it. So he's got a big problem here and you're trying to wriggle out of it with unsupported assertions. Even even concedes all the unknowns. ...and then has the nerve to accuse others of being arrogant. He's the one acting like he's got the answers - not atheists. If anyone is being arrogant here it's him. He accuses Fry of a logical fallacy because he's not considering the wonders of the afterlife. That's simply wrong. Fry is clearly in incorporating this in what he says. The fallacy here is that Badar assumes that the evil acts are justified. He can't prove it. He assumes it and wants everyone else to as well. His whole argument is based off blind faith that the suffering is the best way to be tested. If children with bone cancer is the best way he can teach lessons I don't think it's such a great god. What makes more sense is that we live in a universe where good things and bad things happen and no brilliant mind is watching and guiding .....
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1. That's an assertion. I can do that as well. The proof for the magical fairy queen is the universe. The proof for an eternal quantum vacuum is the universe. It's easy to make assertions. 2. Another assertion. See above. It's easy to do. 3. By that rationale, you can murder your own children. 4. As above. You created your children so its just for you to torture them - your logic. 5. Another assertion with no support provided.
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"if all suffering was removed how would there be any free will for the human experience? " If your god can't create a universe with free will and without suffering then he isn't omnipotent.
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@SandiegoRockstar So you have no free will paradise?
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@SandiegoRockstar Is there suffering in paradise? You said above that suffering is required for free will.
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@SandiegoRockstar " However in paradise the bad actors have been filtered out" But do they have the free will to cause suffering if they want? Is there suffering in this paradise? If you answer no to either of these questions it contradicts your previous premise.
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"the suffering in this earth are by human hands" So when a baby is killed by a an earthquake or a tsunami it's human's fault? That doesn't make sense. "And indeed "Bone cancer in children Why?" Why isn't there a cure yet," So it's our fault because we haven't accounted for the evils of the god yet?
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@baronq9788 "Please do tell me did you see God nudging Indonesia" Don't you believe that your god set all of this up? Didn't he plan all of this? Did he not know what he was doing? You can't really have it both ways here.
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@baronq9788 "How is it the evil of god?" Causing suffering to children and families is evil. " Its like you are saying that a teacher is evil because they gave out homeworks?" There is an important difference. The best and only way that a teacher can get us to learn things is with homework. The teacher doesn't have unlimited powers. Supposedly your god does. For your analogy to hold, you would have to accept that your god is a being with limited power like a human. You seem to also imply this in your post above where your argument would mean that what happens on the earth is out of his control or understanding.
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@baronq9788 " And are you Implying that we humans have complete control over every minute detail of our everyday life?" No. Why do you think I could be implying that? " We humans don't even understand ourselves fully and you claim that everything is under our control and understanding?" I'm not claiming that. In fact I'm claiming the opposite. " a very naive and arrogant suggestions if you ask me." You are quite confused. Before you insult me again, read my posts properly.
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Breezeful Morning Thanks, but I don't see anyone claiming their videos are the end of Islam.
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Breezeful Morning That's fine. My comments still stand.
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Breezeful Morning I'm not disagreeing with you.
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Breezeful Morning "If your comment was to claim that religion have stopped its growth," Point out where I said that or something to that effect.
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Breezeful Morning Getting nasty huh? A bit triggered? With that logic I can say anything and put 'if' in front of it in any discussion and it's still intellectually honest and valid. If you've been saying we should kill babies then I disagree. If you're saying that Christianity is ridiculous then yes i agree. Just posting something like that as a response is making an implication that you might be saying it. If you actually read my posts you would see that I never said any such thing. Perhaps you have a comprehension problem. "is that so hard for you to comprehend" How ironic. 😆
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@MohamedMohamed-ws7mq Your comment shows that you either don't understand what a religion is or what atheism is.
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@MohamedMohamed-ws7mq " why would an athiest care so much about the decline or growth of atheism ?" I wouldn't say that I care "so much". Merely making a comment doesn't show that I care "so much". " The way you commented is reminiscent of how a person of religion " Anyone who posts a comment now is reminiscent of how a religious person thinks? You might want to think about these arguments a little more mate. They aren't very good.
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@hyper-2308 🤦♂🤦♂ I was summarising the logic. lol.. You appear to be lacking the comprehension skills here, mate. This thread is two years old... I don't even know who you are. 😂😂
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@hyper-2308 "You just further proved that you lack comprehension skills" Actually I exposed yours. " I'm specifically talking about the part I quoted" lol no kidding. That was the point. "I'll be honest I don't see you summarising any logic though?" That's what you were quoting but lack the comprehension skills to understand.
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@hyper-2308 Did it hurt your feelings to hear that atheism hasn't ended? 😂
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@hyper-2308 "on a video that debunks it" Except it doesn't debunk reality. Atheism continues to grow. Cope. 🤣🤣
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@hyper-2308 "Why would the increase of the number of people who think their life is valueless hurt my feelings?" So you don't understand atheism. What a surprise. lol.... "Also sidenote: breaking replies down in italic font doesn't make you superior." Cry harder. 🤣🤣🤣
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@ "Why would the increase of the number of people who think their life is valueless " You don't understand atheism. Not a surprise... 😆
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@hyper-2308 " Cope about what?" That atheism didn't end obviously. This must cause you great pain....lol
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@hyper-2308 "Actually, what I said perfectly suits atheism. " Nope. " I understand atheism better than you" Clearly you don't from what you said. " And stats show that most of them are atheists." 1. Feel free to back that up. 2. You claimed that atheism means your life is valueless. This is false. 3. Which religion has the greatest number of suicide bombers? Ouch.
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@hyper-2308 "Because when a religious person loses something, he doesn't feel completely down " When a child feels down they confide in an imaginary friend. Some of us grow up.....
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@hyper-2308 ...and just to complete the dismantling... I'm an atheist and my life has plenty of meaning. If the only way you can find meaning in your life is from a magical man in the sky then your life must be very...very...sad.
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@hyper-2308 "So committing the said thing is more matured than moving on for you?" You missed the point. Some people value what is real more than what makes them feel good.
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@hyper-2308 "Says the guy who rejects objective value of anything. " What objective value are you referring to? Can you demonstrate whatever it is you think you're talking about?
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@hyper-2308 "except you make your own meaning which has no objective value" So you're now conceding that my life DOES have meaning.... lol.... Backpedal harder....🤣🤣
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@hyper-2308 " i was just about to say that didn't want to embarrass you" You lack the capability to do so....
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@hyper-2308 " youre the cringe individual whos been throwing tantrums" Projection. You got destroyed at the start and it's been a long tantrum ever since.
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@hyper-2308 "Now whatre u gonna do?" The same thing I've been doing for a while - challenging you to back up your claims and watching you squirm. ...because you can't. 😂😂😂😂
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@hyper-2308 So you dodged...you danced....you tried to change the topic.... you tried to shift the burden.. You were taken apart in every way. You couldn't support your claims and your attempts to try and get out of it were simply priceless. 😆 Total destruction.
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@hyper-2308 "This is projection at its finest. " You're just echoing my comments back to me like a child now. You're been taken apart here and look hopelessly lost.
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@hyper-2308 " I already backed up my claim" Nope. I called you out to do so. I repeatedly challenged you to do so. You evaded every time. You can't support your claims. Your worldview crumbles.... A big L.
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@hyper-2308 "even though the burden of proof was on you" You attempted to shift the burden after you were called out on your claims. This is what people do when they realise they have no idea how to support their claims 😂
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@hyper-2308 " You never stayed on topic," More projection. You tried to change the topic when you realised you were beaten. ...you tried to deflect to Pascal's wager.... I won't let you forget it. 😉
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@hyper-2308 "Give an actual argument and I'm happy to respond." You're evading. YOU have the burden here as you have made the claims that 1. There is an objective meaning. I've challenged you to demonstrate this. 2. There is no meaning without your god. You're not getting away from this corner you backed yourself into.
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@hyper-2308 ". First, debunk the video, " Baahahahah...another attempt to change the subject because you are cornered. I'm here crushing you. Watching you squirm. You have made two claims. You're desperate to run from them. Not going to happen boy. 😂
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@hyper-2308 "Lmao what is bro yapping about." Gets destroyed in an argument. Can't support his claims. Tries to weasel out of it. Gets mocked. Responds with that. 😆
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@hyper-2308 "Stay mad kid. " Keep projecting kiddo. I'm laughing at you. You got yourself into an argument you were not ready for. You made come claims. I called you out to back them up. What followed was a hilarious tap dance. 👯💃👯💃
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@hyper-2308 " Bro got mad " All this projecting isn't working for you sunshine. You dug yourself into this hole. You made claims. I challenged you to back them up... You flailed and danced about while I laughed. 😂😂 You're still doing it. I'm still laughing.😆
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@hyper-2308 "First make a proper presentation with evidence," You're trying to dodge. You made two claims and I have challenged you to support them. Your attempts to get it out it show that you cannot support them. Your whole worldview collapses. You lose. Don't get mad bro. 😂
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@hyper-2308 "you can keep coping then" Keep projecting then. I've called you out. I've challenged your claims. You dodging. Beaten.
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