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Stonehenge - the English language - the creation of poets such as Shakespeare, Marlowe, Kipling, etc. - Scientists such as Newton, Darwin, Faraday, etc. - the Industrial Revolution led by men such as Stevenson, Brunnel, Babbage, etc., - philosophers such as Hobbes, Locke, Bacon, Mill, etc. - the development of all the global sports such football, tennis, rugby - an unparalleled succession of military victory for almost a millennium - parliamentary democracy - common law & secular governance - the development of constitutional rights in law of the individual (Magna Carta, 1688 Bill of Rights) - i.e. 2000 B.C. to today.
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Mass foreign immigration is a "problem" because it tends to lead to ethnic civil wars in the lands affected by it, & the MSM trying to defuse the rising opposition to it with broadcasts like this isn't helping resolve the issue. (& as a side issue, the Royal Mail has deteriorated in recent years, primarily thru the eu wrecking it whilst the Liblabcon Party abetted it in doing so, & being increasingly reliant on foreign migrant staff, many of whom loot the mail for anything they can get their hands on - this isn't a pub rumour I'm repeating, I've seen it in my own experiences of using the RM's increasing expensive & dysfunctional services. The problem that I'm personally aware of is with Indians manning the shop "post offices", who've been caught stealing money and goods from the mail passing thru, & the RM has had to close the "post office" outlet in question down whilst it looks for some1 else to run the "franchise", & I hear there's a lot of looting in the London sorting offices by immigrant staff, who regard it as a free-for-all (altho this issue with the sorting offices I've heard from from word of mouth & haven't witnessed personally). I also had some1 use my credit card's stolen details to fund a one way airflight back to China a few months back, almost certainly from the Chinese takeaway I used shortly before. I thought it was an issue in which the cops & an investigation team from the card company would be involved with, but the card company just refunded the cash with barely a shrug & I heard nothing more about it, as if they were entirely used to it & accepted the loss as a part of their financial model - which was disconcerting in itself, showing what the banks have financially become).
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"The English World" is a better term than the Anglosphere I feel. I used to believe in this idea, but no longer. What it is beyond England's shores is the afterglow of the British Empire, the nations of which are enthusiastically eliminating themselves with the mass importation of foreign populations, heedless of the consequences. For instance, on current trends Canada will be a majority 3rd World demographic within only 20 years, & the USA, Oz & NZ aren't far behind, & with that, whilst there maybe a lingering cultural legacy, in the way we are influenced still by the Roman Empire, these places essentially cease to actively be part of the English World & become something/someone else. England has to focus its mind upon Albion & reforging power from within now, rather than expending energy externally on something that's fading into history's twilight.
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'This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for her self
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in a silver sea
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.'
The man that wrote this was not an eu-Quisling.
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I don't want to disillusion people here but, for those who can't see it yet, Farage's primary aim now is to use the Brexit Party to get re-elected to the eu Parliament for another 5 years, for obvious motivational reasons. He's not the real deal, & hasn't been since 2014, & is now I fear a wolf in the fold inherently acting against England's interests. I don't like saying this, as he was an immense asset from 2010-2014, but he's not now to be trusted, & the hypocrisy in criticizing Batten for steering UKIP off away down a stupid path comes pretty ill from a man that did his best to wreck the same party by abandoning its captaincy at the moment of triumph, & sought to kill it off by lumbering it with a series of obvious inadequates at the helm, rather than have the vision, courage & patriotism to have gone for the Liblabcon political order, which was a wide open goal on 24 June 2016. As for the issue of the mass foreign immigration invasion that's ongoing (yeah O'Neill, I'm "against it" & my concern isn't restricted solely to the obscurantist point you raise of "democratic control of it" being the issue), Farage sold the pass on that in 2015 when he publicly stated that ethnicity was irrelevant, & moved to a sell out position of Integrationism, i.e. "let them all in, but a bit more slowly & brainwash them into being British" - which is utter, dangerous nonsense. Powell never sold out, regardless of a few-off sentences in an otherwise brilliant speech, & Farage is an intellectual pygmy compared to him.
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Good presentation, thank you, quite interesting.
Serious scale urban warfare in Gibraltar against Spanish troops staging a surprise attack & British defending units in situ resisting with house-to-house fighting would be impossible, Gibraltar is literally jam packed with civilians who would be caught in the cross-fire with no way to get out, it would be such a humanitarian disaster that the British Government would order the garrison to surrender in order to avoid it. If the British had time to evacuate the civilians & convert the Rock into a militarily garrisoned bastion as it was in WW1 & 2, then it would be a formidable prospect to attack for the Spanish.
The primary way the British could retain Gibraltar currently in the threat of such military circumstances is the strategic deterrent that Spain does not want to risk the international pariah status it would incur from such an attack from the international community, eu, NATO, etc., with economic sanctions crippling its economy as an aggressor very quickly, in exchange for essentially what is token nationalist jingoism about the Rock on its part. (On Britain's part Gibraltar may have global strategic importance in controlling the Mediterranean Sea in another World War in the future, as it did in WW1 & WW2,, & this is why Britain should seek to hold on to it now against Spanish diplomatic pressure in the eu, perhaps more than its government currently realizes).
The only other way the British could retain it beyond this is by defeating Spain in a general war with a land campaign in the Iberian peninsula itself, probably concentrating on seizing control of the region Andalusia to secure Gibraltar's hinterland - Portugal, Algeria & Morocco would become important then as potential allies to give the British a base of operations to mass in to attack from (France would undoubtedly remain neutral). Via this Gibraltar could be recaptured militarily, & would be ceded again by the Spanish Government as part of the victory treaty, as it was originally in 1704. Given the devastating nature of modern weaponry that Spain is in possession of, capturing Gibraltar again solely with a British sea/air assault, as it was originally obtained by a seaborne assault, is not practically possible.
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@RebelofIreland The famine afflicted all of Northern Europe, with many thousands dying of starvation on the continent as well. The idea that it was "caused by the British Government" is Republican mythology. Ireland wasn't subject to any harsher treatment governmentally than the rest of the British Kingdom in this period. The plantations brought a level of material prosperity to Ireland economically that it hadn't before had. There was no blighted generation in Ireland due tho the British Government, nor "millions dead" at its hands. Only one civil rights march in Ulster was roughed up in the 60's, & that was a provocative one across the province which the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association didn't support as the march had an agenda that was seeking sectarian confrontation beyond the issue of civil rights - which they got. There was regrettable discrimination against the Irish in Ulster upon ethnic lines in the 1960's, but the reason behind it was the Ulster Scots people's distrust of the Irish population's presence in Ulster, with the savagery you express in your comments on weapons & violence, i.e. "killing everything around you", being evidence of what they were worried about. P.S. Paddy isn't a "racist slur", it's a term of friendliness towards the Irish people by the English, like Jock or Taffy, but it's clearly lost in translation between the civilized & the uncivilized somehow.
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@Swoiny Johnson never said he would stop the invasion, he always avoided talking about it, & any1 who knew his history & extremist views on the issue knew full well what he was going to do in Downing Street - which is what he's doing. He will deluge millions in if he's allowed to, more even than Blair, Cameron & May, as he actually believes in it, unlike them, who were just going along with it. There's no way to stop the invasion in Parliament, it has to come from without, like Brexit, hence a referendum is the solution.
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@TAB - I appreciate your kindness in helping me along the road here in my ignorance, lets see now if I can struggle to keep up with you, your points in order of their expression, in precis in response if you'll forgive it:
3rd Para: Fenian chip-on-the-shoulder grievance-mongering myth, England had no such policy towards Ireland, which it always regarded as little more than a troublesome backwater after the 13th Century.
4th Para: 1st half of this is more Fenian grievance-mongering mythology. 2nd half: interesting point about the infection of revolutionaryism, let down slightly by the fact that it was caused by the Pale aristocracy (read "Norman") that you blame for suppressing the native Irish (who were "yearning for cosmopolitanism" thruout no doubt) for 800 years. Wolfe Tone wasn't an Irishman, & the revolution he started based upon French revolutionary principles of the Enlightenment, very swiftly, once his Irish foot-soldiers got hold of it, descended into mayhem, & squalid parochial attempts at little more than ethnic cleansing as they tried to rid Ireland of foreigners. Which rather reinforces my original point.
5th Para: Bit desperate this.
6th: Your Marxist obsession with money-grubbers and their activities is philosophically myopic.
7th: No discernible point to respond to here.
8th: Right, let's go through this ambitious para & mark your text-book with ticks & a few crosses. I won't correct the grammar & syntax, just the points.:
English nationalism conduit Britishness (Right).
Scots/Welsh devo has undermined Britishness (Wrong, devo came because of Britishness' waning, it didn't cause it).
62-52% Demos point poorly worded to the point of being lost in obscurity.
Empire dismantled at behest of USA (It's a little more complicated than that, but the central point you're making is Right).
UK has been since then a vassal of the Americans (in foreign policy - Right).
Loss of industrial capacity, foreign immigration in the 60's-70's (should be 1950's to the present), & military defeats for British Army on American foreign wars have created a crisis in English identity. (No this is mainly wrong & misunderstood. The loss of manufacturing capacity caused a crisis in the 1980s to North England & Midlands working class identity, particularly for the youth of those areas, but it was limited to that part of society. Foreign immigration & America's recent petro-chemical wars haven't affected English identity in the least).
Brexit predicated on the suggestion that the eu was an imperial oppressor (Wrong). Brexit is predicated on the fact that the English & Welsh do not wish to see their Kingdom abolished & replaced by the eu. It's no more & no less complicated than that elemental fact.
Quote from Theresa May to represent English consciousness (Wrong). May is a modern professional political class snake of a low grade, she represents Torysim, not England in any serious way.
Mixed bag here, some points right, a fair number wrong, but the idea of an English "identity crisis" really is not made by it collectively.
Thanks for helping me along in my dimly lit & bewildered state with so many issues going over my head, it's good to have clever people like you around to help us simple folks down the road with these complicated issues like this.
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Don't really buy into American advertizing terms like 'Gen Z'. The recruitment crisis currently at play is more possibly a combination of factors I suspect:
1. Britain has always been more a martial than militaristic society, & outside of conscription has an endemic problem of professional military recruitment in times of peace (i.e. when the Realm isn't patently threatened).
2. Civilian unemployment is currently low & pay is good.
3. The benefits system affords an easy living - particularly for those willing to game the system, which entire communities are apparently doing.
4. Respect for authority & hierarchy has seriously broken down societally, & entering an environment which is based primarily upon those principles such as the military is unappealing.
5. The communities that HM Forces heavily draws its manpower from - particularly the Army, have seen many of their young men return to them crippled for life thru war wounds, walking around in their midst minus limbs, etc., in a series of recent campaigns in the Middle East that don't make much national sense to them beyond the fact of acting as an auxiliary force for the USA, which ended in a humiliating rout from Afghanistan. These communities respect these young men as veterans who've seen martial action, but they're not queuing up at the recruitment offices to sign their kids on for more of the same in a cause they don't generally comprehend.
6. Most of the media stories the public hears about modern professional military life are generally negative, & have been for years - repeated procurement financial disaster stories, suicides, poor living conditions, bullying, sex scandals, commissioned officers on the take in some form, the amount of homeless veterans ex-service, which creates a bad image around an organization.
7. The supine high profile adoption (under pressure from Whitehall) by the High Command of minorities social engineering propaganda with regard to foreign populations & sexually inverted recruitment, generally putting off the patriotic mindset which is the foundation of HM Forces recruitment fundamentally.
8. The more general societal effects of a media/governmental complex Trotskyist (complex term but accurate) culture war, where patriotism (outside of the harmless petting zoos of the Royal Family & football) is belittled & mocked, & anti-patriotism is extolled & made to look cool & attractive.
Bit of a mess really.
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@MMFD - Thx, I saw it, but it's not very convincing. SS lists 3 more tweets he made on the subject, the 1 offering (very mild) criticism of Polanski's actions was in 2013 - 3 years after the 2009 post, the other one 2 years later in 2013 merely corrected someone on a factual point they made in Polanski's favour, & another 1 on the subject in 2009 itself is ambiguous; & then there's the issue of deleting things to try to conceal them. If SS was being satirical & attacking Polanski's supporters in the Hollywood set for their moral values on this issue, & going to the extremity of involving his daughter as a means of doing it, I would have expected him to be sufficiently psychologically agitated that there would have been several tweets around the post in question in 2009, with him also overtly attacking Polanski's excusers in the online back & forth that was ongoing then about it, but such material isn't there & SS concedes that it never existed, all there is is this strange post in isolation.
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@atlanticx100 It would mean that with them inspecting the equipment you would be expected to explain your tv set up and how it works. What they would be looking for is to see whether there is an aerial lead in the immediate vicinity plugged in or not, and whether the tv set has been tuned to receive a live broadcast signal when it's switched on. Also, if it's a digital tv they might want to examine its updates/usage history for dating information indicating recent past use & access to a live signal - if they get that & it shows access to a live signal they have you. If you were to refuse to explain to them how to turn the tv on & how yr using it so that you don't require a licence, they could say to the court you were obstructive to their lawful enquiry & resisting a court warrant, which is flouting the court's authority that issued it. In short, all of this is shaky ground to be on, as BBB says, the ideal situation is deny their ability to obtain a warrant in the first place by not engaging with them at the door, in letter or on the phone, and make sure the tv is not observable from the doorstep/street. Also be wary of utility meter readers/gas engineers in the house when the tv is on, Capita is developing links with utility companies for utility staff to report to it seeing any tv that's on with a live signal in unlicensed houses which they are in on utility business. With that information they could potentially apply for a warrant of search from a court. If you deny them this information Capita is powerless.
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Unlikely the pilot killed his crew, particularly if they fly without sidearms, Unfortunate the receiving Ukrainian team killed the other 2 if they were also unarmed, that should have been handled better. Resistance to the Russian Gov. by military personnel is dangerous & not comparable to Western forces, so his options were limited, i.e. feign illness (& probably end up in the infantry thrown into mass man attacks, unless his family has Government connections to get him out), defect, or refuse to serve which after pretty brutal punishment would end up in a trench in Ukraine or in a polar prison camp. Defection from the army of an aggressor dictator who's carrying on as Putin is now can't be seen in the same light as a Western liberal state I don't think. This man's reasoning for getting out, as given, sounds reasonable, the financial reward was unfortunate, but Slavs see these matters differently from us possibly in that regard. Unfortunate he was found, presumably by the GRU, there are ways of hiding people but they have keep a low profile under a new identity, if they don't they'll be found, & I wouldn't be too sure of Ukrainian intelligence service security - the Russians probably have closet legacy access there. Putin is a Cold War anachronism who's a bad lot, Russian needs rid of him & something better for the 21st Century.
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The Square Mile is the cause of this, it's hollowing everything economically out after short-term quick profit which the banks allowed themselves to be destroyed by in 2008, & it's done the same to the HM Treasury since then, which the politicians & civil service on watch have facilitated. When HM Treasury finally gives due to the Everest of debt in its vaults, heaped in there by the Square Mile, the asset bubble economy (inc. property) bursts, & the outcome will be a new Great Depression to write off all the bad debt. Halligan's badly mistaken saying the banks are financially sound, they're not, they are loaded with bad debts which will be exposed in an asset price collapse, & saying the property market is financially stable, is a strange idea given the immense parabolic price spike (i.e. bubble) that any graph of the last 100 years will show, bubble's by their nature are the antithesis if stable. Whether the coming economic disaster happens now or further down the road depends upon whether they can put the inflationary genie back in its bottle, & how long they can keep it there.
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@hereticdude2788 So why not come out and just address the issue as an election pledge? - He has, it's now manifesto policy.
And you've still not addressed the elephant in the room, if he was happy to spite his own party's wishes to further his aims, why should I trust him to listen to us now? -- People were deserting the party under Batten's leadership, the membership turned upon him & the NEC after electoral wipe-out, saying it was Hamilton alone that ousted Batten isn't historically accurate. Batten is a decent fella, & was a good UKIP lieutenant for years, but as a team captain he wasn't up to it, no shame in that, but it's true, & if he hadn't been removed UKIP wouldn't now exist at all as the party was disintegrating around him after the electoral wipe-out & his failed strategy of trying to be a British Trump, which he had no answer to other than stubbornness & refusal to listen to people in UKIP & the evidence of what he was doing wasn't going to work.
By your own logic, if Batten's 'failure' was indicative of needing a change in leadership, how come UKIP fares even worse under the untrustworthy Hamilton?
- Hamilton has been assembling a new raison d'etre for UKIP over the last year, strategically based on defending Western Civilization & tactically on stopping foreign migration into the UK dead, which is now being rolled out behind the daring policy of an Immigration Referendum.
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@AtheistEve The vast majority of people in the 1st World are paying thru their noses to keep a roof over their heads via rent or mortgage, the peripheral excess you're detailing, that's one of the adverse effects of an immense property bubble, applies to a minority of the population & will not any where near house the millions that are seeking to move into the 1st World from the 2nd & 3rd, the vast majority of whom are driven by economic motivation, not persecution. The conflicts you list were projected by the US, not Europe, Syria was an internal civil war, Afghanistan was destroyed by Russia in the 1970-80's, & any way, all those conflicts are now over, so there's no war to flee those lands, these migrants should stay at home & help re-build their countries - they are not war refugees. Which nations in Asia & Africa is Europe imperially ruling today?? South America was been a mess before the USA existed, & what "mess" is Europe making out of Asia & Africa, exactly?
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@mattsmith87 And what about the ports in Belgium, Holland, Denmark & Germany, are they going to block them too? If the French launch a boycott of our produce, why would we keep buying theirs? Liver is an excellent food source as well btw, full of vitamins & iron, we would do well to eat more of it. The eu has in no way indicated it wants to blockade us in the way you suggest, it would place it in breach of a myriad of international legal agreements it's party to, & it would be one step short of a war with the UK if it did. We weren't misled in the Referendum in 2016, some people just didn't want to leave which you are clearly one of. We have left, we are going to continue to trade with the continent, I suggest that you stop talking your country down.
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If UKIP wants to revolutionize England & Wales' politics domestically as it did on the eu issue, it needs to turn its populist fire on the Liblabcon's 50 year foreign immigration invasion, with a policy of the UK adopting the Japanese immigration system. This, if packaged cleverly, will have the voters flocking to vote for it. If it doesn't it's not going anywhere. & all this trivial nonsense about Mohammedanism, odd-bods from Youtube & hanging around with football hooligans ("Democratic Football Lads Alliance" - give me a break!) needs to stop as well, it's making UKIP look like trivial obsessive cranks. What's worrying about this interview is that it seems clear that Batten really just wants to focus on the eu, & is almost hoping that the Referendum result is betrayed, & appears to have very little else of substance beyond that issue. With genuine Brexiteers in the Conservative Party in parliament now, who are in the ascendancy, Batten doesn't appear to understand that UKIP no longer possesses that electoral USP as it once did, and will face diminishing returns by continuing to be exclusively about this issue. I'm not sure this guy, as good a stout-hearted Anglo-Saxon yeoman as he seems, has the mental minerals or education to direct a re-alignment in the Kingdom's politics that is so badly needed.And with advocating, as he has been recently, a foreign migration quota of 50 000 as year, i.e. 1/2 million every decade, on top of those that are already here, he doesn't appear to understand the nature of the threat that this entails, which is far greater than a religion (& it is a religion, it's not an "ideology") from Arabia.
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I've been among the Pakistani community in the Midlands. I respect what I saw of them for being broadly a God-fearing, hard-working, law abiding, family & clan orientated people with a loyalty to their culture, but I had no sense of them being British in any way. They are in the British Isles but in no way of it, & their loyalties & sentiments lie wholly back in Asia - & this goes for the younger generation born here, not only their parents/grandparents. I found that they view us generally with a strange mixture of wariness, incomprehension, pity & condescension, & being a degenerate people. The Government is stupidly playing with fire by allowing these people to augment their numbers here via migration, they eye England as a rich asset to take possession of, not be a part of I suspect.
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Soon to be banned for writing facts Apart from justifiable doubts about some of the European continental allies' reliability in NATO, the rest of that rant is bigoted hot air, & ignorant hot air at that. Any one who knows anything in detail about NATO & ops in Afghanistan knows it's a US driven issue, where NATO's HQ is based - in a continent with many US military bases around it, & who its titular Secretary is, is irrelevant, the orders & money come from Washington, which is why NATO forces (in comparatively small numbers bar England's) have been in Afghanistan. The threat of Jihadism in Afghanistan to the Middle Eastern oil fields, which are within 1000 miles of it, & what the petro-chemical wars the US has been waging there are about, is also known to anyone seriously knowledgeable on this subject, which you're clearly not, and the idea that its driven by what you suggest is ridiculous.
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bullet tooth tony I didn't advocate for you taking the vaccine, I'm not sure about it either. As for UBI, it may well be brought in as a driver of the economy to create money velocity. The 1st country to do this is S. Korea, & if it works & supercharges their economy creating increased economic activity, the other countries will have to copy it, or they'll find themselves being left behind economically. Also, with automation & AI tech there may well be in the near future a lot less paid employment available, so - if it's workable financially - it maybe a way out of endemic mass unemployment, probably thru reducing the 5 day standard working week to 3. The sensible talk is about it being set at part-time wages not full time, this'll share employed work around (if the tech people are right & automation does what they're warning about), & also enable people to not spend their lives chained to a work hamster wheel chasing money to pay the bills. With 4 days free a week rather than 2, the ? is what will people do with it? Some will choose to continue to do paid employment full time (where they can get it), others will choose to do other things, get creative, volunteering, housework, starting up small business ventures, the garden/allotment, education, etc. Some will be lazy & not do much, but that's up to them, & they prob do that anyway under the present benefits system, which has more holes than a Swiss cheese for the feckless. Any tax increase you get would be balanced out by the UBI you get also. UBI isn't dole, it's a revolutionary idea that might be about to transform the way we live.
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Mmm, 'insular' can also be nuanced & by degrees, it's rare that someone can - or would want to - wholly cut themselves off from ... "foreign" shall we say, influences and entities. If this was a creation of the Irish Revolution from 1922 to 1959 (not the 1960's & 1970's?), do you have any evidence of the Irish in their homeland isle being particularly cosmopolitan & welcoming of foreign influence in any period before that, .... as I'm struggling to think of any in particular off the top of my head beyond Christianity, & maybe the adoption of the English language - which isn't much in 2500 years of history?
The creation of Empires contains a lot of loot-raking, & a lot of other things besides, the loot-rakers are quickly forgotten after they die, other things are not & last.
With regard to the English, & their "crisis in identity", & being "backward looking" & seeking an Empire MK2, what's your evidence for this exactly? As for the English public school "elite" (your word, not mine) creating Brexit, most of the public school educated people I know supported Remain in the referendum , as well as those in the political order in Westminster who are of that social/educational background. You clearly lack a real knowledge of this particular area, and are speaking ideologically rather than from personal experience.
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There's rather more differences between people from Cornwall & London than people from Africa & England. Africans are the definition to being ethnically "foreign" with regard to the English, & vice versa. As for the cultural influences, there was a certain "Britishness" culture in the Caribbean, but that's not strong enough to avoid societal conflict, as was seen in Rhodesia, in Kenya & India at the Empire's end, & was also seen in African race riots that have occurred in England since the 1950's. You don't know a thing about me, so stop pretending you do. When/if ethnic civil war does occur I'll do what has to be done & so will you, that's the problem. I don't "spout" I speak, & I've never espoused a single word of race hatred in my life - again you know nothing about me at all & are claiming knowledge about me that you don't have based on assumptions (which are wrong). As for your attempts at personalized insults (the hallmark of "keyboard warriors", which you'll notice I haven't done & you have) - yawn.
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I've seen strong men drink themselves into the grave in their middle years, who knew where it would end up & yet couldn't stop it, & it negates much potential in legions of others. It offers a deceptive refuge from the fear that's a part of being alive, cloaking itself at the same time with an easy buzz and ego-trip when yr younger of pushing physical limits, & sociability & conviviality. A lot of people I know & see around me, who are successful in many ways that people view success in life, material possessions, job, achievements, etc., who have lived their lives well & with discipline, having done everything that was expected of them - which is no small achievement in itself, are reliant upon in the evening - an indication that there's a deep-seated discontent & unhappiness in how they're living somehow and they're a bit lost spiritually/philosophically, probably from having spent so much time on the 9-5 hamster wheel. It's an insidious liquid really, best treated warily
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@kubhlaikhan2015 Mmm, that's all v. interesting, but what you're doing is taking your personal preferences & writing a back story thru history to fit it. England is first created in the 10th Century with the union of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms by Edward the Elder. The Normans refer to the population they ruled as "The English" as separate from themselves. These populations had fought as a united kingdom & people under the fallen King Harold I in both Yorkshire & Sussex in 1066. The 'English people/England' are terms that are continually used from then on, politically, culturally, legally, to describe this people & the Kingdom which they comprise. Regional cultural variation on a theme doesn't cross with that in any way, as the theme is The English. From the 5th Century onward a man from Sussex could linguistically understand a man from the Tyne as they spoke the same language merely with different accents as the centuries progress. "Britishness" has become the opposite of what you suggest, it's a enabler of us being overrun by foreigners in the 21st Century, hence my abandonment of it. The idea that you tacitly posit of not opposing their migration en masse into our land but instead seeking security by using "Britishness" to try to brainwash them into being something other than what they are, i.e. foreign to us, is profoundly wrong, and extremely societally dangerous.
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Kevin Brown Little bit of reading for you to do: Battle of Britain, Battle of the Atlantic, who destroyed the Kriegsmarine surface fleet (Bismarck, Graf Spee, Tirpitz, etc), North Africa Campaign, Burma Campaign, 50% of the Italian Campaign & 35% of the North-West Europe campaign (inc. saving your boys from being routed during their mass stampede at the Bulge Battle too). Also whilst you're doing that, check out 'Ultra WW2', & where Team USA got radar from (Tizard Mission is what you're looking for) & the jet engine from ('jet engine usa' will help you here). ... When you're finished come back & we can have a little more of a chat about "America won WW2").
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You said "they didn't rule themselves", the Government in Moscow was Russian to the core, just because you don't like its constitution doesn't mean it's not Russia ruling itself. ("That's a false statement that you have been allowed to make upon my programme").
The Whites formed to stop the Bolshevik Revolution, not to pull Russia out of the war. ("That's a second false statement that you've been allowed to make over the air on my programme").
The Bolsheviks had they're own agenda for revolution - to seize power for themselves, & enact Marxist ideology in government, they didn't stage a revolution to withdraw Russia from the war, that was a by-product, but they rode the coat-tails of war-weariness in their ascent to power certainly.
What you describe as an "Imperialist meat grinder" stopped Russia being militarily conquered by the II Reich, & its people being yoked as little more than German serfs.
If you examine the numbers in that "Allied invasion force" you'll see what a small effort it was, & it was designed to prop up the Eastern front from collapse, not to seriously oppose the Bolshevik revolution. The Whites failed because they had lost the support of the majority of the people, & the Bolsheviks saw their chance & took it.
When I hear Marxist ideologues talking about "the working class of the world" I pity their lack of understanding of how truly massively diverse this world & mankind is, trying to take thinking that societally applies to the 1st World's civilization & project it everywhere in a "Rights of man" sense is hopelessly ignorant, & has led to societal disasters repeatedly throughout the 20th Century.
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There's so much confused nonsense coming from you now I'm going to have to precis the response:
Para 1. That's a matter for the Russians to decide, not external invading nations, as the II Reich attempted to do in 1914.
2. The Whites appeared after the Reds at the end of 1917, not before.
3. You're trying to re-write history & present the Bolsheviks as some sort of "peace party" which formed to save the Russian people from the war with no ulterior agenda of their own, if that's the case why was Stalin arrested in 1903, Trotsky in 1898 & Lenin in 1897 for fomenting Marxist revolution against the Russian state? The facts don't fit your narrative do they. The Bolsheviks weren't pacifists, when they were in power they were extremely violent & imperialistic - they used WW1 war weariness in the Russian people as a ploy for power.
4. Serfdom was abolished in Russia in the 1860's, and before WW1 the Russian Government had introduced land reform programmes to give the poor land, and had brought in constitutional reforms to increase the powers of the Russian Parliament in the governance of the nation in 1906. The II Reich if it had succeeded in its imperial attack on Russia would have reversed its domestic laws & rights into the Medieval for the Russian people. If you want a list of internal societal crimes & injustices within Russia, you'll find a lot committed by the Bolsheviks & their successors, but you don't seem to have any interest in that.
5. Cliches are cliches because they are true (& you forgot to mention Pol Pot).
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1. Your statement about the Allied "invasion" of Russia in 1918 (not '17) being the same as the II Reich's assault in 1914 upon it is ideologically unhistorical in every way, it is driven solely by ideology not historical fact. The II Reich attacked Russia with literally millions of men, the allied force was less than 200 000 men, aimed at trying to support the Whites to prop up the Eastern Front in the war. It had no agenda beyond that to involve itself in internal Russian politics.
2. These "social revolutionaries" appear to exist in your imagination, the "Whites" you referred to appeared in 1918. Why are you fixated on "White terror", but ignore the greater depredations of the "Red terror"?
3. You implied that the Bolsheviks were a peace party, which they weren't, & they weren't anti-imperialist either.
4. You said the Russians under the Russian Crown's government were "serfs", & the facts that you now acknowledge belie that statement. "Czarism", i.e. the governing system that existed before October 1917 in Russia wasn't an ideology as you suggest, it was a constitutional arrangement. Everything in life is not ideological as you Marxists daftly believe. The suggestion that the II Reich capturing Russia in WW1 would have made no difference to the lives of the average Russian is ridiculous, all the reforms you now acknowledge would have been abolished & Russians civic governing life would have been reversed for generations to the Medieval, by a foreign ruling class that had no kinship or cultural affiliation with the people it was ruling, increasing its severity of its handling of them. That's why millions of Russians died on the Eastern Front opposing the II Reich's attack.
5. Your suggestion that Pol Pot wasn't a Communist is farcical. Why is it that the ideology that you follow continually produces Stalins, Mao's, Pol Pots, & a rash of mini-me's like them, & governmentally creates cultural torpid swamps & economic ruin, whenever it's put into action? Want to know the reason - read 'Animal Farm', m8.
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@DJ - It was necessary for the defence of the United Kingdom (same goes for France & Russia), and as an indirect by-product of that self-defence policy the liberty of Europe's peoples as a whole was also defended from the Imperialistic attack upon them by the II Reich.
This isn't an issue for me of morality, right vs wrong. The II Reich was the aggressor in 1914, & sought to make an empire, of a very sternly militaristic nature, out of the peoples of Europe, who defended their liberties collectively against it. The British, French & Russians can't be accused as being "just as responsible" for the 1914-1918 War as "they had empires too", because they had no imperial ambitions in the European continent, and weren't the aggressor. The alliances that were drawn up by the allies pre-war were all initiated by the II Reich making aggressive moves first, as defensive measures against it. The only continental threat and aggressor in 1914 was the II Reich, no one else. That's not a moral statement, it's a strategic analysis.
The maintenance of the Balance of Power was strategic is motivation governmentally, and guaranteed the liberties of the peoples of Europe from an imperial aggressor as a by-product. I said no more than that in my original statement on this thread.
Liberty for a people, and prosperity and being free of social injustice are 2 different issues. Many hundreds of thousands of Britons, from all classes of society, privileged and poor volunteered to fight in 1914-1915, they weren't conscripts, nor were they all "fools & dupes" as the Left so often presents them as.
You cannot "force" a continental population of hundreds of millions to fight, they must go willingly or it cannot occur. You underestimate to power of patriotism. "Nationalism" doesn't really exist in the way the Left thinks it does, it's merely another word for tribalism, which is inherent to the human condition.
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The United Kingdom was created in the modern era (i.e. 18th Century onwards), & was done without bloodshed. Before that you are into the pre-Enlightenment era, where different rules civilizationally apply. The Gaelic language was not purposefully "driven to extinction" by England, as English cultural power came to eclipse the other peoples of the British Isles, they adopted its language to relate to it, willingly, and their own languages fell into disuse, and became forgotten by their peoples. I didn't say that the eu (as it currently exists) is not peaceful, but the evidence that I see in history for what it is trying to do, i.e. forge a new nation from top down, and create a single state where there is no common people, or culture (as had developed over many centuries in the British Isles before the UK became a possibility), doesn't augur well.
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