Comments by "Alan Friesen" (@alanfriesen9837) on "Kim Iversen"
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@mypartyisprivate8693 There are listed in the Xinjiang Victims Database which appears to be operated by Shahit.biz and is referenced in the Newlines Institute report "The Uyghur Genocide: The Examination of China's Breaches of the 1948 Genocide Convention" 13,998 "victims". I'm sure that they would argue that this is a small sampling and I would concur. But it is the number that they have confirmed to have been detained or otherwise "victimized" and it is the only hard number I've found. This includes 5,711 imported from the infamous Zenz cache which it claims "has unfortunately not been made public".
The profiles on the database that I've viewed have so far only consisted of individuals accused of fomenting separatism or violence. That's not to say that many of these people are not inappropriately identified as such, but it does suggest that ethnic cleansing is not the stated purpose of detention. Some of the letters shown written from detention have the kind of tell-tale messaging that suggests that those writing the messages are trying to get on the good side of their jailers. Whether this is coerced or merely opportunistic is hard to say.
I'm combing through this report and I will try to take it seriously. There are real concerns enumerated and I want to be fair, but I am admittedly biased, and I've seen some bias in the report as well. There is a lot of conflation in the report between separatism, terrorism, and Uighur identity, which I don't think is fair either to the Uighurs themselves or to the authorities in Xinjiang. The other conflation I've noticed is that reports of policies of assimilation are viewed as cultural genocide. This is deeply problematic considering the need for assimilation in order for individuals in these communities to get along in the broader modern world.
Some of the evidence is pretty anecdotal. One source throws terms like "concentration camp" and "Gestapo tactics" around, strongly alluding to the holocaust, which is highly hyperbolic language undermining sober assessment.
I've still got a lot of work to do in order to properly understand the full contents of the report. I do worry that many innocents are gathered up into the dragnet that is trying to weed out the separatists from the rest of Uighur society. I worry about stuff like forced confessions and McCarthyistic efforts to get people to name names. These are things that I think are genuine human rights issues, but I don't see anything that I would characterize as genocidal yet.
I hope I'm not being a genocide denier. I don't want the Uighur culture to disappear. But I don't think the Chinese do either. I think they are pursuing, perhaps too aggressively, the elimination of a very real separatist element in this region, and I think that that is well within their rights to try to maintain that sovereign integrity. I'll continue to look at the evidence I find, but I am not going to accept the labeling of a targeted anti-separatist campaign as a broader "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such." without better evidence than what I've so far seen.
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