Comments by "phothewin" (@phothewin6019) on "The Critical Drinker"
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Yeah, Rocky's situation in Creed is completely organic and understandable. I've worked with many, many older adults when I did clinicals at some nursing homes. It's almost uncanny how well the film was able to capture the sadness and bitterness older adults can feel when they think that everyone and everything has moved on without them. That feeling that they have nothing left to live for. Even back in a gerontology class I took, my professor would tell us that these feelings can be common for older adults.
In the previous movies, Rocky's always had a support group to help him get through his greatest struggles. Be it Mick, Adrian, Apollo, Paulie, his son, they were there to help him. In Creed, he has none of that. His son may be alive, but he's essentially disowned his father at that point. Any support group he's had has disappeared. His sadness and bitterness is justified.
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Rocky's personality wasn't retconned.
We know Rocky's philosophy: "It's not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward, about how much you can take, and keep moving forward."
Except Rocky isn't infallible; he isn't some Gary Stu that can overcome every single obstacle with 0 issue. Sometimes life hits so hard that not even Rocky Balboa can take it. That's what makes it heartbreaking and surreal. Adrian's gone, Paulie's gone, his only son disowned him to the point of never even letting his kid meet him, he gets the same disease that killed his wife, he's at the tail end of his life and no one gives a sh*t about him anymore. He's in a way worse position than where he was in Rocky 6.
His bitterness is earned. His pessimistic worldview is organic.
It's similar to Logan and Professor X. Both were heroes; shining beacons of hope that seemingly overcame every obstacle. Then life hit hard; harder than even they could handle. And they turned to the bitter, sad, old men we saw in Logan.
And what's cool is that the movies both deconstruct and reaffirm the myth of their heroes. They once again rise from their fall.
Heroes like them falling isn't an inherent issue or some inconsistency in the narrative; they're not infallible, after all. What matters is if the fall is organic. Does it make sense as to why they turned out the way they did? That's the question that has to be answered.
If a Mary Sue character went through what they did, do you think they'd turn out similar? Do you think they'd turn out broken? Of course not. If they were Mary Sues/Gary Stus, they wouldn't be our heroes.
It seems like others are disagreeing with your take on Creed, too.
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