Comments by "Jack B" (@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing) on "RevZilla"
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The incredible numbers in sales of the Yammy Bolt, Triumphs, and the anticipation for starter bikes like the Rebel 500 would disagree with you Jrock. MSF rider courses from Seattle to Portland are filled to bursting even when it's rainy season, and prebooked out many months in advance even if you're willing to drive to the boondocks. New riders are popping up in the Northwest at breakneck speed. Literally. Lane splitting and shoulder riding just became legal again up here.
Harley has a problem with younger riders because of three things:
1. Price. Price, price, and price. If the only Harleys you can score for under 10 grand are the 883 and the Streets, plus the insane dealer markups that are common, well, that $7k starter/intermediate rice rocket that won't require $1200 in dealer services shortly down the road suddenly looks pretty good.
2. Arrogant community (Yeah, that includes me as well, I've been that guy on my Dyna). The younger crowd understand the brand just fine, and don't like what they see. I can't tell you how many old crotchety farts suddenly decided they were Harley guys after Sons of Anarchy aired, and these midlife crisis new riders started running their mouths at experienced guys who have kept old 80's Magna V45's going for 60,000 miles, 30 years, and coast to coast road trips through the power of duct tape, spit, and wisdom.
3. Expensive, constant repairs. And everyone knows it, even people who don't ride. I don't even want to talk about cam chain tensioner fiascos. Two old sayings: Harley only made one good thing...experienced mechanics. And Hogs don't leak...they mark their territory. EVERYWHERE. ALL DAY.
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Yeah, in my retired age, I too stepped back down in bike sizes. Tired of wrestling an unwieldy beast just to appease my displacement ego.
Rediscovering the joy of toys rather than pricey hunks of headache.
Edit: Electric bikes will be the future when instead of sitting around for hours waiting for a bespoke battery module to charge back up, you just swap industry standardized modules like a 5 gl Propane Tank at Home Depot at roadside fuel stations. Pull in, swap out your expended, deposit-paid cell packs out of your 6-large stack for 3 fresh charged ones, and off you go in minutes. The big turd in the Tesla/eWhatever punchbowl is that everyone is trying to profit from proprietary fixed battery designs, no one is steering that ship, and touring travel isn't feasible until they get standards ironed out.
In comparison, the eBicycle world is on FIRE this year, and is displacing mogas scooters & mopeds right and left in the urban commute scene. Especially when you don't have to endorse, license, insure, register, plate, or follow helmet laws. I scored a Juiced Scrambler, and that thing does everything a Ruckus does and more at 28 mph. I get to take it on community bike paths and chain it to bike racks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=941yT_1r_3I
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@pauld.b7129 <--- that's why the EV industry need to meet at the table and establish a common standard of battery modules rather than build bespoke, bolted in batteries like Tesla. Ones which can be swapped out cell for cell at stations just like filling up your tank.
You pay for the juice and some nominal fee for battery maintenance and recycling overhead, but no reason it can't be handled like swapping your 5 gallon propane tanks at Home Depot. When you initially buy your vehicle, you should be paying a DEPOSIT on the standard pattern batteries, rather than intending to own those specific serial numbered ones. Mile for mile, electric is almost always less than 1/4 the cost of gas. Beats it hands down economically. If that rose to 1/3rd to cover battery maintenance for your local Shell gas station to charge & keep them servicable, that's still a huge economic win. Especially if you can offset your local Chevron's electric bill paid to the grid by converting that ubiquitous, giant ass cover found at every station to an array of solar panels.
It makes particular sense for Commerical applications. Picture a big ol' Peterbilt electric rig (with assloads of torque for that full load) pulling in at the truck stop, but instead of loading up 120 gallons of diesel, quickly hot swaps out the half dozen commercial-spec universal battery packs that were expended out of his stack of a dozen, and his company paying for the juice used and some upkeep percentage. FedEx, the Postal Service, and UPS would particularly love this for local routes, since they could festoon their entire rooftops in panels to defray grid costs to charge their fleet of delivery rigs bringing your Amazon chinese knockoff trash to your doorstep.
From a nationalist standpoint, this is a double win because it helps cut the cord with foreign oil. EV's may offend some people's traditionalist gas engine sensibilities and comfort zone, but when they realize there's a patriotic element to making the switch, then you have one more weapon in the arsenal to convince people it's a good move for their country that takes the polarized, hot button feel-good environmental and/or "roll coal to stick it to the hippies" element out of the argument.
It's not the auto manufacturers you need to convince. It's the Oil Companies and gas station owners that it's time to get with the times. But to do that, they need a product. Hot swap standard battery service at your local station.
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