Comments by "Dan A" (@DanA-nl5uo) on "Joe Manchin: I Wouldn't Support Bernie Over Trump" video.

@jeffgojail In many states you can choose what party you vote for at the voting booth. That is the entire point to registering independent. Sorry you don't understand how our government works. But that doesn't change the fact that you said the other day you don't believe in unity you just want Bernie Sanders voters to stay home. That is not the American way. We are a nation built on the principle that every citizen has the right to vote. So just own the fact that you have no respect for our form of government.
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@jeffgojail I see the Hillary troll is out hitting all the Joe Manchin stories. You admitted the other day your only goal is to depress the vote. That you hate this country and the concept of a democracy where each person gets to take part and vote. That is who you are.
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@jeffgojail you should really give that advice to Hillary Clinton trolls at your next meeting because her supporters seem to be the ones blaming everyone else for her failure as a candidate
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@jeffgojail yup I figured you couldn't admit that she as just a bad candidate in an election climate where people wanted to vote against the establishment. You trolls are all the same. Nice to see you prove me right.
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@jeffgojail it saids that the establishment elite hand picked the wrong candidate. That the strategy of getting people to vote for the lesser of 2 evils doesn't work because people want to vote for something not against something worse.
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@jeffgojail I haven't lost anything you are the one who clearly said you don't want people to vote. I simply said our country is based on the concept that everyone gets a vote and in many states independents can choose a primary party to vote for when they get to the polling station. In other states you do have to change your registration in advance. But I have no problem with all Americans choosing to take part in the primary and the general election voting for the candidate of their choice. You just need to accept that you don't support our form of government.
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@jeffgojail sorry you still want to fight over how Hillary Clinton lost to trump. But the DNC definitely did hand pick her as the candidate but it is ok because as a result of the unity reform committee the superdelegates don't get to vote so the voters can actually have a chance at a free and fair primary in 2020.
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@jeffgojail the reason we should have open primaries is simple the states that have open primaries have decided that is what their citizens feel is the best method of picking our respective. Sorry that you still hate our form of government so much.
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@jeffgojail The Establishment is a dominant group or élite that holds power or authority in a nation or in an organisation. It may comprise a closed social group which selects its own members, or specific entrenched élite structures, either in government or in specific institutions. Wikipedia › wiki › The_Establishm... The Establishment - Wikipedia By definition the entire voter base of the Democratic party is not the establishment so you once again prove to have no idea what you are talking about. I have nothing against the voters but I definitely do have something against people like DWS who explained that superdelegates exist to protect their preferred candidate from a grass roots campaign. Which she said the night of the NH primary in 2016 when asked how the DNC would justify giving both superdelegates to Hillary Clinton after Bernie Sanders won both pledged delegates in the state with overwhelming support from the voters. It is people like you who think like DWS who think they are better than the voters who are the establishment elites that are the problem. I can't decide if you are truly that ignorant that you don't know the meaning of simple political terms or if you are just totally disingenuous but I am betting the later.
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@jeffgojail ok that is your choice. See I am perfectly ok with anyone voting for their preferred candidate. That is the point to a democracy we all get to vote.
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@jeffgojail spoken like a true Hillary centrist. Honestly I was going to vote for Tulsi Gabbard until she decided to back away from Medicare for All. I believe she has the best chance of ending the oil wars and her Off focial fuel act is good legislation for switching to renewable energy. But Medicare for All is important policy and it is key to how we win in 2020 you would understand that if you where not blinded by your clition ideology. I will vote Bernie over Warren because I do believe he will do better running against trump. But I am sue you won't believe any of that because it would shatter your world view that people support Bernie Sanders because we support the policies in his platform. I honestly believe there is a place for both Warren and Tulsi in a Sanders administration. Warren's consumer protection bureau is a great thing she is correct that we need to break up big businesses. But I find Bernie Sanders a stronger candidate when it comes to foreign policy. But heck just throw around words like Bernie bro and cult because that is much easier for you to feel superior to people who actually care about this country and the future of our society. Dismiss voters who actually want us to have as good healthcare as Canada or European countries. Dismiss people who actually think it is critical that we really address the climate crisis not have centrist all of the above energy policy which results in the fracking boom making the USA an exporter of ff again thanks to Obama removing the decades old ban on the export of ff. More methane leaking wells and fracking ground water contamination that is the real legacy of corporatist centrist Obama administration policy. And yes I voted for him twice because he was slightly better than the alternative. But that wasn't a choice it was a lack of options. So don't tell me after watching this country refuse to address the climate crisis for decades that we can't do it now because you have some stupid elitist argument that if you where not born a Democrat you can't be the nominee. That is the dumbest argument and exactly the elitist crap people hate. But sure just throw out terms like cult and Bernie bro it makes you sound like someone else who simply screams fake news.
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@jeffgojail well fortunately for the voters who registered independent you don't get to write the election rules.
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@jeffgojail nice to know you are an expert in voter suppression.
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@jeffgojail sure and you can throw yours away on which ever centrist Bernie is going to crush.
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@jeffgojail I have to say I love your comment that registered independent voters can't vote in 26 states. Because in reality any registered voter can not vote in 49 states and can only vote in the state they registered in. So once again you prove how little you understand our form of government.
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@jeffgojail if you think rank and file voters are the establishment you are truly clueless so we are back to your just being a troll have a nice day.
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@jeffgojail you seem to have out of date information again. I will help you out with the current numbers. Democrats and Democratic-leaning voters are divided over who they want to stand against Trump in 2020. The top contenders remain Biden (23%), Warren (23%), and Sanders (20%). In late September, these three stood at 25%, 28%, and 15%, respectively. https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_110619/ Clearly the trend there is both Warren and Biden loosing ground to Bernie Sanders. The primary season is only a few months away so come November I guess you will have to choose if you would rather loose to a Republican or win with a progressive.
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@jeffgojail Warren is a Democratic senator so you are just full of crap calling her not a Democrat. But tell me if Warren or Bernie win the primary will you vote for them in November? I ask because more Bernie Sanders voters supported Hillary Clinton than Hillary Clinton voters supported Obama and you definitely act like you wouldn't vote for them if they won.
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@jeffgojail oh and honestly I love your arrogance that you believe somehow the primary is over and Bernie Sanders and Warren lost. You do realize this discussion started because Joe Manchin said he wouldn't vote for Bermie over Trump but somehow you want to flip that around as an attack on Bernie Sanders supports not the fact that a Democratic senator just said he would not vote for the Democratic nominee in November. Because you know it isn't about unity in November it is simply that you would rather loose to a Republican than win with a progressive. If not you definitely Joe Manchin would he said as much but you defend him as wonderful because you can't stand progressives.
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@jeffgojail at 49 you do realize that you where the youth vote in every single election except the last two and arguably you where then as most of the older voting base people talk about are retirement age. Or atleast over 50. The depth of your ignorance is amazing.
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@jeffgojail sad day for you but the Justice Democrats aren't going anywhere. We have decided to take the Democratic party back for the working class away from the centrist corporatist Clitions. Sorry if you can't limit enrollment in your little elites club.
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@jeffgojail well considering that it was their first election and everyone said zero would win they did amazingly well. AOC replaced the 4th most powerful corpare Democrat who outspent her 10 to one which was said to be impossible. But please continue to underestimate the us it will only help the movement.
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@jeffgojail I noticed you didn't answer if you will vote for Bernie Sanders or Warren in November. Or will you vote with Joe Manchin for Trump? Must be you would rather lose to a Republican than win with a Progressive.
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@jeffgojail I will leave you in sespence like Joe Manchin and just say I will do what I think is best for the country. But I bet you don't take that comment as well from me as you do defending Joe for it.
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@jeffgojail 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣yup you walked right into that one but thanks for pointing out why I was correct that Joe Manchin is no better than a Republican.
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@jeffgojail there you go rationalizing why we need a "Democrat" who voted for Bert Kavanaugh. And who goes on national TV saying how he won't vote for the Democratic nominee in 2020 because it somehow gives us a stronger democratic party. Yup because it also stops the party from also pushing for real progressive policies because they can't force the blue dog Democrats to vote on things like a living wage or Medicare for all. I don't need that kind of help. I will trust that we can actually be the party of labor and get more then enough votes to control Congress.
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@jeffgojail I will agree with Bernie Sanders that you pressure him and if he refuses to do the correct thing you primary him with a better candidate. What you can't get through your thick skull is that Bernie Sanders actually won in West Virginia that they voted for trump over Hillary because he told them I have a plan for healthcare which will cover everyone and it will cost less I will protect your jobs. Hillary Clinton said we have to be pragmatic. People don't vote against something they vote for someone who will fight for them. Bernie Sanders is correct when he said if Joe Manchin won't vote for Medicare for All I will go to West Virginia and explain to the people how Joe voted against their interests and why they need to vote him out of office for someone who will vote for their interests. That is how you get a government by concession. You don't see the GOP running to the center and supporting people who vote against their party goals. That is why they are able to pass legislation like their tax cuts and bloated military budget. It is why centrist like you will always fail and continue to swing this country to the far right which is what has happened for the last 4 decades. You might have a political science degree but you don't understand why our government is a mess. Or more likely you where coopted by the establishment elites when you got that degree to believe that the corporatist capture of our government is the way it should work. Either way you are too far gone but I hope you are true to your word that you will actually vote for Bernie because you have made it clear that you don't want people to vote. Which is stupid if you turn off everyone who didn't vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 you will lose to trump again in 2020 because news flash she lost so you need more support if you want to win.
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@jeffgojail wow when you resort to dropping the F bomb you definitely making progress winning people over to your argument.
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