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Well, he turned Lot's wife into salt for looking back at her home as he destroyed it with fire and brimstone while she had no idea she wasn't supposed to look back (Genesis 19:26), has a whole list of people with things he considers imperfections that he doesn't think is worthy of praising him (Leviticus 21:17-24), decided he was going to murder Moses for no reason at all and then changed his mind (Exodus 4:24-26), told Abraham he had to murder his own child and then changed his mind while telling Jepthath he had to burn his daughter alive (Genesis 22:1-12), don't forget the plagues of Egypt (Numbers 16:41-49), killed Onan because he didn't get his sister in law pregnant after God said to (Genesis 38:1-10), possessed Samson and killed 30 people over a riddle (Judges 14:1-19), physically assaulted Jacob in mortal form and wrestled him all night eventually dislocating his hip and couldn't beat him so he walked off (Genesis 32: 22-31), killed thousands of Israelites because they were upset over god killing them with earthquakes after being upset that Moses was acting like he was better than they were (Numbers 16:1-49), literally the entire Book of Job, genocide (Joshua 6:20-21, Deuteronomy 2:32-35, Deuteronomy 3:3-7, Numbers 31:7-18, 1 Samuel 15:1-9), killed 50,000 people for being curious (1 Samuel 6:19), and lastly (because I can keep going, and I don't want to), destroying Sodom and Gomorrah for being inhospitable towards strangers (Ezekiel 16:49-50).
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Well, he turned Lot's wife into salt for looking back at her home as he destroyed it with fire and brimstone while she had no idea she wasn't supposed to look back (Genesis 19:26), has a whole list of people with things he considers imperfections that he doesn't think is worthy of praising him (Leviticus 21:17-24), decided he was going to murder Moses for no reason at all and then changed his mind (Exodus 4:24-26), told Abraham he had to murder his own child and then changed his mind while telling Jepthath he had to burn his daughter alive (Genesis 22:1-12), don't forget the plagues of Egypt (Numbers 16:41-49), killed Onan because he didn't get his sister in law pregnant after God said to (Genesis 38:1-10), possessed Samson and killed 30 people over a riddle (Judges 14:1-19), physically assaulted Jacob in mortal form and wrestled him all night eventually dislocating his hip and couldn't beat him so he walked off (Genesis 32: 22-31), killed thousands of Israelites because they were upset over god killing them with earthquakes after being upset that Moses was acting like he was better than they were (Numbers 16:1-49), literally the entire Book of Job, genocide (Joshua 6:20-21, Deuteronomy 2:32-35, Deuteronomy 3:3-7, Numbers 31:7-18, 1 Samuel 15:1-9), killed 50,000 people for being curious (1 Samuel 6:19), and lastly (because I can keep going, and I don't want to), destroying Sodom and Gomorrah for being inhospitable towards strangers (Ezekiel 16:49-50).
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@christianuploads8292 That clearly took some time and effort to think and type. Thank you for putting in said time and effort. Though it is two comments of considerable length, in response to one simple question, how proving god's existence automatically means the bible is his word. Said question still remains unanswered, wasn't even directly addressed. Sums up my conversations with you quite well.
I shall try to keep my own response much briefer. I will even number my points. Maybe this will help keep any potential future response from yourself more focused on actually addressing what I say.
1. You seem to be claiming developing science actually supports the Bible. That its claims hold up over time. How so and even if so, what is that supposed to prove about its origins?
2. You are shocked with how much time I have spent on this conversation? It has not taken much from me to respond to your points. It is also slightly laughable you raise the length of time this has taken as you are the key factor. You made a claim, I asked for proof, you presented it, I critiqued. The next step in this progress would be to either recognize the problems I raise and concede, or raise issues of your own with my critique. You don't seem keen to do either.
3. When did I ever say I haven't read the Bible.....? You open by suggesting I have some false image of you in my head, you clearly have one of me in yours.
4. Many books inspire, "holy books" or not. This doesn't mean they are of divine origin. Your opinions on other Holy Books, just that, opinions. None of it proof.
5. Unity of its parts? I would hope a book developed over that length of time, with multiple authors would have a unified message. Far easier to stick to a script
6. How do you objectively measure somebody's life changing exactly?
7. You know you're back to your circular logic here.
I get the feeling that you yourself know you can't objectively prove the Bible is God's word and at this point, I would honestly have more respect for you if you were simply to admit that you have nothing but faith to go on, instead of keeping up this charade
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@jlupus8804 Different illnesses or conditions would have different criteria. I am not a medical professional so can't speak to every specific case.
Private healthcare wouldn't have been able to do anything. This is the point of his case. He was not like a coma patient for example, where medically there is a minute chance he could wake up at an undetermined point further down the line. Every doctor who examined his case agreed that irreparable damage had been done to his brain and there was zero chance of recovery. Any "life support",any treatment being given to him was done so to ease any pain he was in, and literally keep him alive. There was no chance of slowing any decay or curing him in any way, the damage was already done.
"the fact that it is not, at least for most countries, able to help everyone and is often rationed." What is your evidence for this exactly?
That is just not true, and if I can speak frankly, sounds simply like one of the examples of misinformation created by the opponents of universal healthcare, intended to scare people. That's made even worse when the reality in the U.S is that those with pre-existing health conditions are often denied insurance, or charged insane rates, because the insurance company thinks they will lose too much money covering them. That would include older people whose old age puts them at higher risk of claiming on their health insurance. You already have the problem in the U.S that you are suggesting other nations may have.
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Well, God turned Lot's wife into salt for looking back at her home as he destroyed it with fire and brimstone while she had no idea she wasn't supposed to look back (Genesis 19:26), has a whole list of people with things he considers imperfections that he doesn't think is worthy of praising him (Leviticus 21:17-24), decided he was going to murder Moses for no reason at all and then changed his mind (Exodus 4:24-26), told Abraham he had to murder his own child and then changed his mind while telling Jepthath he had to burn his daughter alive (Genesis 22:1-12), don't forget the plagues of Egypt (Numbers 16:41-49), killed Onan because he didn't get his sister in law pregnant after God said to (Genesis 38:1-10), possessed Samson and killed 30 people over a riddle (Judges 14:1-19), physically assaulted Jacob in mortal form and wrestled him all night eventually dislocating his hip and couldn't beat him so he walked off (Genesis 32: 22-31), killed thousands of Israelites because they were upset over god killing them with earthquakes after being upset that Moses was acting like he was better than they were (Numbers 16:1-49), literally the entire Book of Job, genocide (Joshua 6:20-21, Deuteronomy 2:32-35, Deuteronomy 3:3-7, Numbers 31:7-18, 1 Samuel 15:1-9), killed 50,000 people for being curious (1 Samuel 6:19), and lastly (because I can keep going, and I don't want to), destroying Sodom and Gomorrah for being inhospitable towards strangers (Ezekiel 16:49-50).
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Copied from another commenter:
God turned Lot's wife into salt for looking back at her home as he destroyed it with fire and brimstone while she had no idea she wasn't supposed to look back (Genesis 19:26), has a whole list of people with things he considers imperfections that he doesn't think is worthy of praising him (Leviticus 21:17-24), decided he was going to murder Moses for no reason at all and then changed his mind (Exodus 4:24-26), told Abraham he had to murder his own child and then changed his mind while telling Jepthath he had to burn his daughter alive (Genesis 22:1-12), don't forget the plagues of Egypt (Numbers 16:41-49), killed Onan because he didn't get his sister in law pregnant after God said to (Genesis 38:1-10), possessed Samson and killed 30 people over a riddle (Judges 14:1-19), physically assaulted Jacob in mortal form and wrestled him all night eventually dislocating his hip and couldn't beat him so he walked off (Genesis 32: 22-31), killed thousands of Israelites because they were upset over god killing them with earthquakes after being upset that Moses was acting like he was better than they were (Numbers 16:1-49), literally the entire Book of Job, genocide (Joshua 6:20-21, Deuteronomy 2:32-35, Deuteronomy 3:3-7, Numbers 31:7-18, 1 Samuel 15:1-9), killed 50,000 people for being curious (1 Samuel 6:19), and lastly (because I can keep going, and I don't want to), destroying Sodom and Gomorrah for being inhospitable towards strangers (Ezekiel 16:49-50).
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