Comments by "Elysian Sounds" (@ElysianSounds) on "Do Miracle Healings Exist? Doctors vs Holistic Healers | Middle Ground" video.

Last Week Tonight did a good piece on bias in medicine. Worth watching
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Are you suggesting that the alternative treatments she chose has cured her cancer?
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@ashleybutler5796 You do know spontaneous remission is a thing right? What direct proof do you that it is the treatments beating cancer? And of course you can cure a disease and still eat meat
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@ashleybutler5796 What is your logical argument then that these treatments cured your friend's cancer?
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Probably the safer option to phrase it that way. Tends to be the case in America that names get dumbed down slightly
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@adeadratlol3516 "The government values everyone differently, so there will be waiting lines and some people will be outright denied" Terrible example you gave for the U.K. That does sound a lot like American insurance companies denying people coverage or changing their rates drastically if somebody has a preexisting condition. You know, literally valuing people differently....
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@adeadratlol3516 Sorry, that was directed at the original commenter
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@jlupus8804 The government didn't murder Alfie. The parents wanted to fly him to another hospital, Quote from the judge on the case "the consensus of every doctor from every country who had ever evaluated Alfie's condition, to the inevitable conclusion (following 7 days of evidence) that Alfie's brain had been so corroded by his Neurodegenerative Brain Disorder that there was simply no prospect of recovery. By the time I requested the updated MRI scan in February, the signal intensity was so bright that it revealed a brain that had been almost entirely wiped out. In simple terms the brain consisted only of water and CSF". It was a tragic case of grief stricken parents unable to let go and a fight to spare a child anymore suffering. Your strange attempt to politicize it is saddening. The U.K government is not killing people and universal healthcare, whilst not perfect, is far superior to what America has. That is why so much of the rest of the world has it and looks on in horror at reports of people going bankrupt simply because they got sick, or having to come out of retirement just to afford their medication.
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@jlupus8804 You are oddly focused on one example that you don't seem to fully understand. The only "source of healthcare outside the U.K was an alternative palliative care plan at an Italian hospital. It was not a treatment that would have cured anything in any way
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@jlupus8804 Because they would be dragging a child who is brain dead with zero chance of recovery halfway across Europe for no real purpose. Parents couldn't let go, and it was reaching points of being inhumane
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@jlupus8804 You don't think it robs the child of their dignity to have their body carted around Europe as if there is a chance they will be saved, when no such chance exists? Never mind that he was still having regular seizures and suffering. You are aware that at least in the U.K, private healthcare and health insurance does exist alongside the National Healthcare Service...? If she truly had the money to pay and go private nothing was stopping her. For those using the NHS, they are occasionally put on lists in order of need after being evaluated. Same is currently done in America all the time. Hospital has limited Operation Rooms, who gets surgery first? The person who's health is currently most at risk. Who gets put at the top of a transplant list, the candidate currently most in need of a new organ. Hospitals are forced to prioritize certain people, full stop. Doesn't matter what the overall funding system is.
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@jlupus8804 Different illnesses or conditions would have different criteria. I am not a medical professional so can't speak to every specific case. Private healthcare wouldn't have been able to do anything. This is the point of his case. He was not like a coma patient for example, where medically there is a minute chance he could wake up at an undetermined point further down the line. Every doctor who examined his case agreed that irreparable damage had been done to his brain and there was zero chance of recovery. Any "life support",any treatment being given to him was done so to ease any pain he was in, and literally keep him alive. There was no chance of slowing any decay or curing him in any way, the damage was already done. "the fact that it is not, at least for most countries, able to help everyone and is often rationed." What is your evidence for this exactly? That is just not true, and if I can speak frankly, sounds simply like one of the examples of misinformation created by the opponents of universal healthcare, intended to scare people. That's made even worse when the reality in the U.S is that those with pre-existing health conditions are often denied insurance, or charged insane rates, because the insurance company thinks they will lose too much money covering them. That would include older people whose old age puts them at higher risk of claiming on their health insurance. You already have the problem in the U.S that you are suggesting other nations may have.
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@ashleybutler5796 Correlation does not imply causation. If I eat a banana on the same day I win the lottery, does that mean eating bananas increases your odds of winning? Of course not. A direct causal link is needed. And considering you said that you knew these were the reasons based on faith, is it safe to say you don't have a direct causal link?
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@ashleybutler5796 No, that is a connection. You need a direct link that would show that the treatments your friend received directly were responsible for their cancer receding. The examples you gave are all things we have direct links for. Nothing has been forced upon me be society. Why are you not examining this belief more thoroughly? As far as you are concerned you have found a potential cure for cancer. Why are you not contacting research institutions and scientific journals as we speak? "Until you have done that, you can’t truth speak from personal experience bc you don’t even know what the other side has to offer". This makes no sense. If something is true it doesn't matter if I have experienced it myself or not and it could be demonstrated as true regardless of experience.
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@ashleybutler5796 There are definitely far more truths to modern science than holistic practices. And definitive links that can be made. You don't see the problem in telling me to go do my own research? You basically just claimed your friend had found a method to fight cancer of all things. But after making that huge claim it is somehow my responsibility to go and look into whether you are correct, rather than yours to actually back up what are you saying. And meat = bad. I get it. Way to go against the vegan stereotype
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@ashleybutler5796 I have seen Forks over Knives, I have done some research. I know the claims that are made. Have you done our own research into claims about diet and cancer or did you just accept what you heard? And again. I get it. Really don't see how you ever expect to win somebody over to veganism with this method
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@ashleybutler5796 "The only other explanation is it just “randomly” went into remission and if you want to believe that that’s totally okay." For somebody who has such close experience with those suffering cancer, for you to speak of spontaneous remission in such a dismissive way is quite odd. It is a well documented phenomenon and a much more reasonable explanation than the treatments that you admit you have faith, by definition belief without evidence, are responsible.
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And that is why life expectancy was much higher the further back in history you go, right?
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@darmaster88 Why would you advise against vaccinations?
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@darmaster88 There is a court. Because something is not wholly perfect does not mean it is a major problem. They do not weaken your immune system. By definition and the whole reason we use them is they strengthen it. What new vaccine are you referring to, and how is it able to alter DNA? Polio has been largely eradicated. Do you have reputable proof otherwise?
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@darmaster88 I ma asking because I am concerned. Everything you are saying seems highly unlikely but you are clearly sincere in your beliefs. You even state that "The world as we know it is coming to an end,". If that were the case it seems like it would either be more obvious or you would be willing to educate anybody to give them a chance of survival or enjoying their remaining time, no?
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@darmaster88 That has happened to me before. I cannot see any extra comments by you
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@darmaster88 You know that's aimed at stopping the spread of harmful misinformation right?
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@darmaster88 Well no, that os the reason. There has been demonstrably harmful misinformation spread about covid recently for example I have not
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@darmaster88 Ok. I hope you start to look at things with a more critical eye. Situations may not always be ideal, but that does mean they are hiding some deep conspiracy behind them
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