Comments by "Elysian Sounds" (@ElysianSounds) on "Do All Atheists Think The Same? | Spectrum" video.

  1. Wow, what a wonderful person you are. I mean, Hell doesn't exist, but the fact that you seem comfortable with people going there just for not believing something you do says a lot about you.
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  2. How so?
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  3. Of course, why wouldn't we?
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  4. Why should he not be able to express his opinion about a religion?
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  5. Clearly, you're misspelling "losing". Not sure how any content in this video could be the cause though
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  6. And I bet they were never true Scotsmen either, right?
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  7. Have you not read the Bible? Somebody wants to call the biblical God an a-hole, seems they are perfectly entitled to
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  8.  @monotonemai5723  No, it's not Islamophobic. It's questioning their beliefs as well. Why is it that when Christians these days feel "attacked" they always bust out an argument along the lines of "well you would never do/say this to a Muslim"?
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  9. And what will that achieve?
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  10. I assumed there be the cliche "They seem so sad" comment from a Christian in the comments section, and what do you know, it's the top comment at my time of looking. Too predictable
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  11. A perception of order or fine tuning doesn't guarantee a creator
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  12.  @X2the2ndPower  Well no, it follows logically. It's not an opinion
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  13.  @X2the2ndPower  Well no, that's not an example of logic, that's a scientific theory. Let me just try to understand you position a little better. Are you saying that the universe seems to be so well ordered, that there must have been a designer/creator behind it?
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  14.  @quinty26  You have undeniable proof the bible is true? That's a first. What is that exactly?
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  15. Well probably because they are most familiar with Christianity and are living in a country where it is easily the majority religion
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  16. I don't think that was intended to be taken as the primary reason for his atheism. Rather to point out that even if God were to exist, he is still not worthy of worship as he is an a-hole
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  17.  @nurdinnurdin4562  What I mean is why would you even think that atheists might not help people who need it?
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  18.  @nurdinnurdin4562  Ok. Just seems like you might want to look more carefully at how you view atheists
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  19. Who is claiming to believe in nothing?
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  20.  @zosiakrasnopolska1338  So you wouldn't call somebody an a-hole just for not worshiping your god, but that same God would send somebody to hell for infinite pain and suffering for not worshiping him. Seems like an a-hole to me....
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  21. There are plenty of atheists who never had negative experiences with religion. I am one of them. Atheism is actuallt caused by the realization that there is no evidence for the existence of a deity
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  22.  @quinty26  And your proof of that is....?
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  23. Saved from what?
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  24.  @Brownfox1981  Yeah, but the neither the devil nor heaven exist, so you're just wasting your time
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  25.  @Brownfox1981  They're not though. Ludicrous claims
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  26. Because only in the moment where they are likely to be most emotional and irrational would they consider God exists?
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  27.  @savinaslavcheva9700  The God of the Bible commits horrific acts. Seem fair to call him an a-hole. Are beliefs to be respected regardless of what they are? There is no evidence for God. Saying he is an a-hole is no different from offering a negative opinion from a different work of fiction
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  28. No....it's because Christianity is the major religion in the USA. Stop trying to make such far-fetched connections haha
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  29. That's your take on it. But one can easily argue that the Biblical God is an A-Hole
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  30.  @tatumtoot  And what about 2 Samuel 21? How do you justify God killing 70,000 innocent Israelites to punish David?
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  31. How are they confused?
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  32. He loves us, and he DEMANDS we love him back or we are sent to hell forever. What a healthy relationship
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  33.  @nurdinnurdin4562  I'm curious why that is even a question you would have?
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  34.  @nurdinnurdin4562  Why are you getting angry? You asked the question, which suggests that for some reason you think atheist might not help somebody just because they are atheists. Was curious why anybody might think that
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  35. Somebody's projecting
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  36. To what? Which God?
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  37. If the shoe fits...
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  38. Or some turn away due to lack of any evidence of a God's existence?
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  39.  @simonthesiamesecat5274  So you admit there's no evidence of his existence and therefore no reason to believe? Wow, that was easy
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  40.  @simonthesiamesecat5274  If I don't accept God is real, I on't be able to see proof that god is real? What kind of busted logic is that?
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  41.  @simonthesiamesecat5274  How am I being rude? By claiming the existence of God, you are not just making some trivial statement, you are claiming something that if confirmed to be true would forever change our entire understanding of existence as we know it. Why should I not consider such a claim carefully and conversely call it out when it is based on incredibly shaky logic? Please do not speak on such a serious mater if you are not willing to take it seriously
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  42.  @simonthesiamesecat5274  Again, how am I being rude? How am I not taking it seriously or respectfully? The more you repeat this the more it seems like you are just finding any excuse to back away once the flaw in your logic was pointed out
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  43. How is atheism a kind of religion?
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  44.  @shukum2120  It's not a belief, it's a lack of belief. And there are no other shared tenants or beliefs intrinsic to being an atheist
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  45.  @shukum2120  You don't CHOOSE a lack of belief. The very fact that you are phrasing it as "belief" shows this. If something is objectively true, but somebody denies it, then they are choosing their belief. We have no evidence for the existence of a creator, the religious are the ones choosing to believe in one and are there considered a belief system. If anything, atheism is more of the default position of humanity
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  46.  @X2the2ndPower  Well that's an incredibly hard position to defend. If you are saying that the universe is so well ordered that it could ONLY have been made by a creator, then you need to debunk all of the existing scientific, creator-less, explanations we have for how the universe operates. Can you do that?
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  47. The fact that you say "believe" in life after death means you yourself acknowledge it is not fact
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  48. How? If the biblical God acts like an a-hole nothing wrong with saying as such
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  49.  @johndeoliveira8476  Please explain how evolution doesn't hold up as a theory. I would love to hear what you know that the scientific community don't
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  50. How are they arrogant?
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  51. Burn what?
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  52. What's wrong with that? You can refer to fictional characters as a-holes
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  53.  @savinaslavcheva9700  No I mean the countless time he inflicted horrific pain, suffering and death on innocent people. You sure you've read the same Bible as me...?
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  54. No they won't. They'll be dead and unable to regret anything
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  55. The very concept of the Biblical God paints him as a complete asshole. Perfectly legitimate reason to reject him
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  56. Clearly they have. The God of the Bible is most definitely an A-Hole
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  57. Not sure that would make any difference. It is not up to them to rule out every possible religion, it is up to those religions to prove they are correct. None are able to do so
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  58. Right, except they are not. Nobody is....
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  59. Well no..... Nobody is born religious. It is the job of the religions to prove the bold claims they are making
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  60. Well probably because the religion they have been most exposed to was Christianity
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  61. It's not thought is it. It would have to be real for you to know that
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  62.  @robloxtea6124  There is a logical fallacy called the "No True Scotsman". It is basically when somebody decides to suddenly try to change or redefine who belongs in a group because it doesn't suit their argument. An example might be when somebody is trying to claim Christians are all good moral people. When somebody points out a well known Christian who has done immoral things, suddenly the Christian is arguing that that person was "never really a Christian". Basically cherry-picking who fits in a group for the sake of an argument. That is what the original poster is doing. They are saying anybody who was religious but now doesn't believe, "never knew God", were never "really" Christian etc. They have no grounds for doing this, for deciding who sincerely other people felt or what they believed.
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  63. You know her personally?
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  64. Hey, if the shoe fits....
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  65.  @zosiakrasnopolska1338  If one reads the Bible, it is very easy to see why one would refer to the Biblical God as an a-hole
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  66.  @robloxtea6124  How was I not kind? Are you perhaps not familiar with the God of the Bible? he kills and tortures countless numbers of people and advocates for things like slavery and killing the babies of your enemies. How is that not the behavior of an a-hole?
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  67. ​ @robloxtea6124  How am I criticizing Christians? I am criticizing the figure of God.
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  68.  @robloxtea6124  How is their discomfort my fault? They have chosen to believe in a God who by all accounts displays behavior that is morally reprehensible.
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  69. Because often those "thoughts and prayers" are offered up in the the place of actual attempts at change. Other countries had mass shootings, immediately enacted gun control and stopped the problem. America continues to have horrible mass shootings, Republicans just offer up thoughts and prayers and nothing changes
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  70. And cancer in little kids. And earthquakes that wipe out families....
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  71.  @jamielouis4506  From a Biblical world view it's God. He created Adam knowing he would cause the fall and introduce sin. God is at fault
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  72. Who?
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  73. What evidence is that? I would love to hear about it
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  74.  @Dr.biscuit49  So just because you have never seen something, it can never happen?
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  75. Yeah, really non-existent
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  76.  @simonthesiamesecat5274  I'm not in the habit of video chatting with random strangers from comments sections. And seems strange to me that you feel that necessary. What do you have to say that can't be typed out?
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  77. Being atheist doesn't require faith, it's not a belief system....
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  78. Dunno. Even if they are, why does it matter?
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  79.  @ezekieltete6584  No it's not. It's rejecting the notion of an omni-benevolent God do his behaving like an A-Hole in the Bible. Seems perfectly reasonable to me
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  80. I know. Who still believes in a god with no evidence in this day and age?
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  81.  @johndeoliveira8476  It's not a religion, it's a lack of belief. There is no unifying principles or tenants beyond that
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  82.  @HladniSjeverniVjetar  Surely the same statement can be turned around on the religious as well? Professing things to be true of which they have no proof
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  83. Why? Truth hurts?
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  84. Good for you buddy. Feel better now?
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  85. Why?
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  86. He's just saying it like it is
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  87. No, I would not.
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  88.  @UltraAar  I would not deny truth. Acknowledging God's existence doesn't mean I am under any obligation to then become a Christian and worship him. Especially if he is the literal monster portrayed in the Bible
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  89. Or, there is a common need within people to find an explanation for something, and all peoples originally unable to do so turned to the creation of a supernatural being. God of the gaps
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  90. Choosing not to accept the god of the bible because he's an asshole is a perfectly legitimate reason. God of the Bible is a monster
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  91. Close minded how?
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  92. Why? Truth hurts?
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  93. First off, you show your own preconceived bias by asking "who" made the world. And I am not sure. And ok with that
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  94. Hell would need to be real for that to happen
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  95.  @tial1679  Because one can live a perfectly good life without worshipping any kind of deity
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  96. I don't know how somebody can read a book like the bible and accept it without question
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  97. Whatever you say dear
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  98. Yeah, "follow me or burn in hell" is kind of an asshole move
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  99. How so?
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  100.  @cormacheffernan5861  Atheists don't have to prove anything. Theists are the ones making a claim, a claim that God exists. The burden of proof lies with them. And the fact remains there is no proof to back up said claim
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  101.  MoonCrow  Plenty of cases of people in the USA being being disowned by their families or shunned by their communities just for being atheist
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  102. Good for you buddy
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  103. It doesn't require faith at all
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  104. That wasn't the driving force between what happened in the USSR though....
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  105.  @johndeoliveira8476  I wouldn't lie to them and conjure up tales of a heaven that doesn't exist. The real question would be why is an all loving God putting that poor child in their death bed in the first place?
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  106. Ah, you mean Zeus right?
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  107. The god of the bible is an a hole. Read the book and you will see
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  108. Copied from another comment: Well, he turned Lot's wife into salt for looking back at her home as he destroyed it with fire and brimstone while she had no idea she wasn't supposed to look back (Genesis 19:26), has a whole list of people with things he considers imperfections that he doesn't think is worthy of praising him (Leviticus 21:17-24), decided he was going to murder Moses for no reason at all and then changed his mind (Exodus 4:24-26), told Abraham he had to murder his own child and then changed his mind while telling Jepthath he had to burn his daughter alive (Genesis 22:1-12), don't forget the plagues of Egypt (Numbers 16:41-49), killed Onan because he didn't get his sister in law pregnant after God said to (Genesis 38:1-10), possessed Samson and killed 30 people over a riddle (Judges 14:1-19), physically assaulted Jacob in mortal form and wrestled him all night eventually dislocating his hip and couldn't beat him so he walked off (Genesis 32: 22-31), killed thousands of Israelites because they were upset over god killing them with earthquakes after being upset that Moses was acting like he was better than they were (Numbers 16:1-49), literally the entire Book of Job, genocide (Joshua 6:20-21, Deuteronomy 2:32-35, Deuteronomy 3:3-7, Numbers 31:7-18, 1 Samuel 15:1-9), killed 50,000 people for being curious (1 Samuel 6:19), and lastly (because I can keep going, and I don't want to), destroying Sodom and Gomorrah for being inhospitable towards strangers (Ezekiel 16:49-50).
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  109. Yeah, atheists are the brainwashed ones.....
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  110. Of course not. Why would we do that?
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  111.  @johndeoliveira8476  Which one? The one where you said the bible is evidence of the resurrection? By that logic the harry potter books are evidence for the existence of Voldemort
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  112. Still a strange action for an omnibenevolent God to take.
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  113.  @christianredneck6554  Wow, really? All the other world religions have probably got something to say about that
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  114.  @denisestephaniebotello49  A work of fiction
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  115. They're not though are they? But sadly you have to tell yourself that to feel better about your own irrational belief
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  116. But what does it actually achieve?
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  117. She probably did but was victim of editing
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  118. If a religion has nothing to support any of it's history or tenants being true, then one can most definitely call it a lie....
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  119.  @legendary_tortoiseo5553  If it requires belief, then it is not objectively true
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  120.  @legendary_tortoiseo5553  Being unable to prove something is a lie doesn't work. If religions are making grand claims about the universe, then the burden of proof lies with them to show they are telling the truth. If they are unable to do so, then nobody is under any obligation to believe them
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  121.  @legendary_tortoiseo5553  To present something as true, knowing that you lack the evidence to do so is lying in my book. Plenty of examples of the religious doing just that
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  122.  @legendary_tortoiseo5553  Present what we think is true despite evidence to the contrary, and it's not a lie?
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  123.  @legendary_tortoiseo5553  Ok, then just change "lie" to "falsehood" and I think the original speakers true intent is still met. But again, arguin semantics like this, not calling a religion a lie, does not make them even the tiniest bit more real and true
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  124.  @legendary_tortoiseo5553  I've already pointed out though, this is not how the burden of proof works. Theists are claiming the existence of a God. It is up to them to provide proof for this claim. If they are unable to provide evidence for it, we can reject their claim as false and without basis.
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  125.  @muhammadhashim2573  Whether somebody is open minded or not doesn't matter. Proof is undeniably true regardless of whether somebody wants it to be or not
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  126.  @jamielouis4506  Yep, it's sad but that's what happens to them. So God sacrificed himself to atone for the sin he pointlessly created. Got it
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  127. How are they crazy?
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  128. How can they understnaf the "Lord" when he remains as of yet unproven?
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  129.  @Dr.biscuit49  Sorry, have you observed absolute nothing? You know all of it's attributes, what is possible?
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  130. Why?
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  131.  @jamielouis4506  No, I just question what it is supposed to achieve
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  132.  @miguelismo7031  It's not. THis not how the burden of proof works when making an assertion. Theists are the ones making a claim and expressing their belief. If I demand proof of said claim or deny it due to lack of evidence, I am not making a new claim or asserting my own belief. I am pointing out the weaknesses found in theirs. The burden of proof lies with theists.
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  133.  @miguelismo7031  Did you read nothing I wrote? I don't believe in a God because those MAKING THE CLAIM of his existence have not provided any sufficient proof as they have to do. Therefore , it is a rejection of the theists belief, not an independent belief establishing a new viewpoint on a subjective matter
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  134. Or, more simple choice, they are not willing to blindly believe something like the Bible, when there is no good reason to
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  135. Surely all religious groups are 100% fraud?
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  136. The god of the bible is an a hole though....
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  137. What time is that?
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  138. Biblical god is kind of an asshole though
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  139. They don't just target Christianity, but are perhaps more prone to talk about the god of the primary religion of where they live/were raised. Several of these people discussed being raised Christian, makes sense that they would cite the christian god in examples. And why feel sad? What is going to happen to atheists when they die? Nothing. The same as everybody else
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  140.  @raulantunez4228  Surely that speaks more to a problem with your beliefs?
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  141.  @johndeoliveira8476  He clearly is. Try reading the book sometime, you'll see what he meant
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  142.  @johndeoliveira8476  Want to defend him killing 70,000 israelites just to teach david a lesson?
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  143.  @johndeoliveira8476  2 Samuel 24:15 Do I know the stories of the Bible better than you John? I am surprised
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  144.  @johndeoliveira8476  My complaint is completely valid, they lost their lives for no fault of their own. And God didn't just instantly magic them up to heaven and end their life in an instant. They died a slow painful death due to plague and pestilence. Surely an omni-benevolent God would decide, even if their deaths were somehow necessary, to spare them unnecessary pain and suffering? Seems like the behavior of an asshole to me
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  145.  @johndeoliveira8476  That's the entirety of your response? So in our interactions so far, I have learned that you are ok with slavery and that you have no problem with God basically torturing people when he has no need to. Are you sure you're Christian?
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  146.  @johndeoliveira8476  God's actions are always just and he always has a reason, so you never have to question it and can just blindly follow? Such a shame to see a lack of thoughtful engagement and critical thinking with the subject matter
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  147.  @X2the2ndPower  You may not want to do that, but by taking that position that is what you are required to do in order to defend it.
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  148.  @johndeoliveira8476  You said nothing about sports, or the origin of life. You just said "if millions associate and identify to this belief this its a religion". My example matched that. But then atheism isn't a religion. It is not a philosophy on life or say anything about the origin of life
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  149. Well I am convinced. I am going to change my wicked ways and convert to Christianity.
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  150. Who?
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  151.  @jamielouis4506  Einstein was on record being preferred to be called agnostic or a "religious non-believer"
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  152.  @eibol1573  Newton's views were considered heretical at the time, mostly due to his nit being able to reconcile his scientific understanding of the reality of nature with the world presented by the bible. Should he be alive with the vastly larger wealth of knowledge we have relating to the world, I have no doubt he would be an atheist
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  153.  @julietamoussou7439  But being an atheist doesn't mean you don't have any beliefs at all. It just means you don't believe in the existence of a deity....
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  154. Well surely everybody is born agnostic/atheist? Nobody is born believing. And of course atheists have a reason for not believing. For the vast majority it is that there is no good reason to think a God exists, not some emotional reason born of trauma
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  155. No, the lack of proof means a God doesn't exist
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  156. No I would not. Because it means that there is a God out there allowing a whole wealth of innocent suffering despite having the power to do something about it
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  157. So? If people have an unproven belief, they should be prepared to have it questioned and ridiculed. And have you not read the Bible? God is most definitely an a-hole
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  158. Well, he turned Lot's wife into salt for looking back at her home as he destroyed it with fire and brimstone while she had no idea she wasn't supposed to look back (Genesis 19:26), has a whole list of people with things he considers imperfections that he doesn't think is worthy of praising him (Leviticus 21:17-24), decided he was going to murder Moses for no reason at all and then changed his mind (Exodus 4:24-26), told Abraham he had to murder his own child and then changed his mind while telling Jepthath he had to burn his daughter alive (Genesis 22:1-12), don't forget the plagues of Egypt (Numbers 16:41-49), killed Onan because he didn't get his sister in law pregnant after God said to (Genesis 38:1-10), possessed Samson and killed 30 people over a riddle (Judges 14:1-19), physically assaulted Jacob in mortal form and wrestled him all night eventually dislocating his hip and couldn't beat him so he walked off (Genesis 32: 22-31), killed thousands of Israelites because they were upset over god killing them with earthquakes after being upset that Moses was acting like he was better than they were (Numbers 16:1-49), literally the entire Book of Job, genocide (Joshua 6:20-21, Deuteronomy 2:32-35, Deuteronomy 3:3-7, Numbers 31:7-18, 1 Samuel 15:1-9), killed 50,000 people for being curious (1 Samuel 6:19), and lastly (because I can keep going, and I don't want to), destroying Sodom and Gomorrah for being inhospitable towards strangers (Ezekiel 16:49-50).
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  159. Oh dear. Somebody's projecting.....
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  160. That's all well and good, until somebody starts basing all of their actions on those beliefs, at which point their beliefs potentially have very real world consequences for me and others
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  161.  @apologetics2785  Right, that's why there isn't a single atheist scientist or philosopher in existence.....
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  162. If he acts like an asshole, seems fair game to call him one
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  163. Why does there need to be an objective morality?
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  164.  @nicolaseusebi8424  Every atheist is a bad person? That's a bold claim. Why do you think so?
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  165. Thanks for being so open minded, but isn't your wording a bit strange? They are not "choosing" not to have a belief. The religious are the ones choosing to believe something
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  166.  @angrylittleboy3266  You mean there's just no God. End of
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  167.  @angrylittleboy3266  Because until evidence for a god actually appears, then there is no reason to believe on exists
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  168.  @angrylittleboy3266  Why are you making assumptions about my beliefs? I didn't say anything about the creation of the universe, only that there is no God. And even if we don't completely know how the universe began, why does that automatically mean God exists? Makes no logical sense
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  169.  @angrylittleboy3266  You are ignoring the point I made earlier. If we don't how the universe came to be, then why must the explanation automatically be God?
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  170. No it's not. It's simple a rejection of claims made by other people. It makes no claims of it's own
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  171.  @johnsilva3119  Who says atheists accept/believe in the Big Bang?
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  172. "One can never have enough socks" - Albus Dumbledore
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  173. I took it more as prayers being a waste of time when they are used in place of actual action. You know the cliche response after a disaster is "thoughts and prayers", as if that is good enough.
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  174. Why pray? What are you hoping to achieve?
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  175. Still an ahole though
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  176.  @savinaslavcheva9700  Strange, I copied and pasted the list again for you. I can see the comment but the total comment count has not gone up. I will give one example of the many then. God killing 70,000 Israelites for David disobeying him. That's not a horrific act?
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  177. It is not as simple as not being able to "see, hear or touch". For most of us it that there seems to be no good reason to believe and that our lives are perfectly fulfilling without a deity
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  178. I mean, have you read the Bible? God doesn't really do much to win people over
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  179.  @apologetics2785  No it's not. No reason to think it is
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  180.  @apologetics2785  God doesn't exist, no reason to think he does
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  181.  @apologetics2785  If there are a thousand reasons give me one clear proof God exists
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  182.  @apologetics2785  Of course logic can exist without God. You seem to be referencing the Transcendental Argument for God which has been refuted and discredited for hundreds of years now If logic is created by or contingent on God, it is not necessary--it is contingent on God. And if principles of logic are contingent on God, they are not logically necessary, and God can change them as he wills. Thus God can change the laws of identity to make them invalid at some point, making statements not the same as themselves. Since logic is contingent on God as one of His creations, to argue that God cannot change the laws of logic blows away God's omnipotence. As a result, the claim that logic is dependent on God is false.
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  183. Or, he is living in a majority Christian nation, where Christianity has the most influence and he uses it as an example because its simply the deity he is most familiar with?
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  184. Why?
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  185. Well big difference there. Gay people are real, no proof that prayer works and no proof of a God existing
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  186. There are still plenty of crazy religious nut bags out there. There's one advising the president of the USA on religion right now
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  187.  @JOVine-gl6df  You find which story realistic? This comment didn't specify a particular faith
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  188. Nobody and nowhere
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  189.  @apologetics2785  Why?
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  190. Why? Truth hurts?
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  191. Who?
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  192.  @tyronelol  It's not my belief. Evidence available to us has the Big Bang as the most likely explanation
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  193.  @tyronelol  You trying out the old "something can't come from nothing" trope that theists like to bust out?
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  194.  @tyronelol  I don't necessarily have a problem with people arguing for a creator if they are asserting a deist, "first mover", kind of position. My problem would be those who argue for a universe from design or the existence of a God actively involved in our lives
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  195.  @tyronelol  I am aware that's what it would mean.....
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  196.  @tyronelol  If you want to label it as such. But again, I don't accept that such a creator exists. Just don't care if somebody wants to claim a deist perspective
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  197.  @tyronelol  Please quote me where I said that
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  198.  @tyronelol  Oh that's similar to my opinion. What made you change your mind?
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  199.  @tyronelol  Oh ok. That explains it
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  200.  @tyronelol  The quote didn't have a question....
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  201.  @tyronelol  No, you only posted one quote. And that first quote isn't even mine, I don;t know where you got that from
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  202.  @tyronelol  Ah yeah, I said that. You don't agree with my position?
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  203.  @tyronelol  Ah ok, I can address that. But first, is there a reason why you are liking your own comments....? Bit weird dude.
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  204.  @tyronelol  2 likes on the original comment might be genuine. Just interesting that all your replies get a single like, and the last one had a like less than minute after you posted it. Either you have a devoted reader or you are liking all of your own comments. Second seems more likely and was just curious as to why. And nah bro. I had a physical last week and doctor only said I had to be careful of my blood pressure. Didn't mention no dissonance
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  205.  @tyronelol  Nah, I just believed that you were seeming like the kind of individual I could bait into doing what I wanted for a while. Thanks for posting that quote of mine so much haha. Also good to see that like on a comment posted 16 seconds ago. You really that desperate for it to seem like people agree with you?
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  206.  @tyronelol  Thought you blocked me..... Is it that you can't stay away? Please don't become infatuated by my charms. And how did I "lose" anything? I didn't contradict myself anywhere
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  207. Where did any of them say they believe in satan?
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  208. Plenty of atheists who didn't grow up in any kind of religion. Or those who had a perfectly good experience with religion but reason led them to atheism.
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  209. How do they piss you off?
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  210. How so?
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  211. Why should they need to answer that?
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  212. Why should I respect somebody's beliefs if it is an abhorrent belief? If the biblical God exists he is most definitely an asshole
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  213.  @johndeoliveira8476  No response John? I can see you have commented on other posts. Question too tough for you?
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  214.  @johndeoliveira8476  Cancer and disease ARE just part of life, as is the fact that we will all some die and there is not some great overarching meaning to life that applies to everybody. Just because you find that hard to accept doesn't make it any less true
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  215.  @johndeoliveira8476  How have I not been consistent?
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  216.  @johndeoliveira8476  Well no, there's no objective morality as dictated by a higher power, but that doesn't then mean people are incapable of developing their own personal moral code...
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  217.  @johndeoliveira8476  Exactly. Glad to see you come to your senses
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  218.  @johndeoliveira8476  Well I think it is. It's never condemned in the Bible though....
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  219.  @johndeoliveira8476  I have my own moral code which has led me to conclude slavery is wrong, and therefore I will admonish the bible for not condemning it. You seem to be a big bible fan though. So you have no problem with slavery?
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  220.  @johndeoliveira8476  "so what" So apart from seeming to directly answer nothing I said, you also didn't take the chance to say you are against slavery. Wow.
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  221.  @johndeoliveira8476  Dude why can you still not say you don't support slavery? haha. This is kind of worrying now. I have my own moral code. Told you this repeatedly
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  222. ​ @johndeoliveira8476  You keep talking about my worldview, but you know nothing of it because yet again I must say, I have my own personal moral code by which I live. You have no idea what that is. If something is not good, and not bad, then you can also not say if it is permissible. You can't comment on it. Not until you apply your own moral code to it. Which I have done and condemned slavery. You haven't. So after giving you so many attempts Ito state otherwise I can only logically conclude at this point that you are pro-slavery, and find myself wondering why I should continue talking with somebody so abhorrent?
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  223.  @habibcicero3833  No worries. Not my first time encountering this guy.
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  224. Why would you believe in the paranormal?
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  225. How so?
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  226. They all seemed pretty comfortable with themselves to me.
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  227. Free will defense is a terrible one. How does free will explain, earthquakes, tsunamis, cancer in innocent little kids?
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  228. He's still an asshole though
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  229. The biblical God that is
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  230.  @jamielouis4506  Nope, I am familiar with the dude. And he is still an asshole
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  231. Well if he is an omniscient God, then he knew before they were even born that they were always going to reject him so I guess he is ok with it
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  232. Who? The atheists?
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  233. Why? What did they say that was so wrong or uncouth?
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  234.  @jm7100  Right..... or when actually asked to actually pick out one thing that was wrong you found yourself unable to...
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  235.  @jm7100  But what they said was so misguided, so incorrect you lost brain cells! You can't even recall the general sentiment or basic argument expressed? That's strange....
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  236.  @jm7100  Of course it did. Just like the word atheist clearly triggered your sensitive little self and caused you to write your original comment, not what they actually said
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  237.  @jm7100  My ego is over the top? You called these people uncultured and the cause of your losing brain cells. Not my fault you can't back it up when called out on it haha
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  238.  @jm7100  What on earth does that have to do with anything?
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  239.  @jm7100  Why is that?
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  240.  @apologetics2785  Oh, there's a multitude of examples. Let's stick with just one. God never denounces slavery. Care to defend that?
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  241.  @apologetics2785  So you would be ok with slavery today?
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  242.  @apologetics2785  Why not?
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  243.  @apologetics2785  So we weren't created in God's image back when taking conquered people's as slaves was perfeftly ok according to biblical morality?
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  244.  @apologetics2785  They were taken from their lands against their will and made to work, with the vague possibility of freedom at the end. How is that not immoral? If somebody were to do that today there would be outrage, no?
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  245.  @apologetics2785  That's the way it is today? People go to war and bring home captured people as slaves? If soldiers went to fight somebody today, say member of the Islamic State, and they brought captured women home with them to work for them, with the possibility of freedom some vague day in the future, you are telling me that is perfectly ok with you morally?
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  246.  @apologetics2785  So why doesn't the Bible say that? Why does it never forbid slavery, yet declare so many other things to be ahorrent?
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  247.  @apologetics2785   Ah ok, so the book is not clearly defined rules of conduct for believers and life lessons to follow, but a vague collection that can be interpreted however somebody wants, even in a misguided attempt to somehow justify slavery. Got it. Still not showing me how God is not an asshole by the way. I mean the guy introduced sin and suffering into the world. That's the behavior of a real a hole.
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  248.  @apologetics2785  You can't have both an omniscient God and free will at the same time. If God is omniscient then even before creating Adam, he knew that he would inevitbaly bring about the Fall. God created him anyway, therefore God introduced sin into the world. Simple logic
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  249.  @apologetics2785  Because there is no omniscient God. Simple
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  250.  @apologetics2785  I can disagree with you, because we are just talking aboutna scenario with flawed logic. I never said god forced or commanded humans to sin. Seems you didn't understand my argument. God is supposed to be omniscient, all knowing, he knows everything that was, is and will be. So before he created Adam and placed him in the garden, he already knew exactly how Adam's whole life would be, every event that would take place, every "choice" Adam would make. He knew Adam would choose to sin, and he still created him. Therefore God introduced sin into the world. Is that clearer?
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  251.  @apologetics2785  It is your thinking that is flawed. Free will by dictionary definition is "the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate". If God knows how my entire life is going to play out, and nothing can change that, then how can you possibly argue I still have free will? You said God knew before I was born I wouldn't be a believer. By your own admission my fate is set. The only way it's possible to have free will is if God is not omnisicient. Are you suggesting god is fallible?
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  252.  @apologetics2785  No free will and creatures can both exist without God....
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  253.  @apologetics2785  It's not my world view. Demonstrably, the existence of life and free will are not dependent on God
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  254.  @apologetics2785  So it's not that you can offer irrefutable proof otherwise, it's just your own unwillingness to accept the truth.
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  255.  @apologetics2785  How is it intellectually dishonest? The believer is the one making a claim, not the atheist. The burden of proof lies with the theist here. Demanding proof of God's existence is reasonable
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  256. If the belief is a ludicrous one and causes demonstrable harm, perfectly ok to insult it
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  257.  @gen-zhippie2203  You are assuming their intentions. Could just as equally have negative intent behing their writing. We don't know, hence my asking.
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  258. That's interesting. Could you point me in the direction of the study that found that? I would like to check it out
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  259.  @apologetics2785  What do you mean by "the obvious"?
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  260. Why not? If said beliefs are both unfounded and having a wide ranging impact upon society seems perfectly fair to me
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  261.  @estherpetit-homme2303  Why? For example, if I met a doctor who saw a load of their patients die due to either them or their family refusing life saving treatment on religious grounds, I feel that doctor is perfectly entitle to rant and rave against said belief. Plenty of other examples. As I said, religious beliefs are by definition founded on faith. No concrete evidence to back them up. Yet said beliefs impact all areas of society. Why should I not be mad at somebody else's belief if it is impacting my life?
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  262.  @estherpetit-homme2303  Why not? It is a belief. Unfounded. No evidence for it. Yet having real impact on others lives. Plenty of other examples. The religious trying to impact reproductive rights, religious groups lobbying against gay marriage, suppression of woman's rights and education. All because a book tells them to. Ludicrous, and one should be free to say as such
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  263. Nah, think we're all cool thanks. Got more to do with my time than worship some false deity
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  264. "Until you seek diligently after the heart of God, you can't proclaim to be an atheist". Yes you can. An atheist is just somebody who has not been convinced by any arguments for the existence of God.
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  265. What....?
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  266. Plenty of countries that are largely non-religious and plenty of them are doing just fine
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  267.  @picklejar462  God is an asshole according to the Bible. Have you not read it? He demonstrates on multiple occasions what a monster he is
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  268.  @picklejar462  I would think his many examples of cruelty would serve as pretty good basis for my declaring him a monster. The fact that he has no problem with slavery being one example.
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  269. Not at all. Why would it be any more scary?
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  270.  @naalso5457  Again, why would that be scary? We understand a great deal about our universe and I don't stress over that which we don't.
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  271. Saved from what? The sin God introduced into the world himself?
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  272. If the god of the bible acts like an asshole, let's call him as such
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  273. Why?
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  274. King of what?
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  275.  @johndeoliveira8476  Still here? I am still waiting for that evidence of the resurrection you promised me dude
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  276.  @ishaaparacha8812  If the God of the Bible acts like an asshole, why shouldn't one label him as such?
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  277. Yeah, why would anyone questioning matters of philosophy and theology go to Ray Comfort for answers? Man's a clown
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  278.  @Dudndbdjdn  My what is probably wrong?
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  279.  @denisestephaniebotello49  You could say that from any perspective though. An atheist could say that they are sad that you as a believer are unable to full appreciate and understand the wonder of the universe without having to first create a God with with to rationalise it
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  280.  @denisestephaniebotello49  We don't have to "believe in the universe". It exists we live in it. God is the one that lacks evidence and requires faith
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  281.  @denisestephaniebotello49  Your hope that there is something more doesn't mean there "certainly has to be". It's not that God doesn't have to reveal himself. I am not saying we need God to speak to all creation and announce his existence. But there does need to be SOME evidence or legitimate reason to believe in a deity and no such reason exists.
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  282.  @denisestephaniebotello49  There is evidence that a man called Jesus claiming to be a prophet likely existed, there is no evidence of his divinity
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  283.  @denisestephaniebotello49  Why would you assume that? I'm open to being presented with evidence for God's existence. I just never have been
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  284.  @denisestephaniebotello49  Go ahead
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  285.  @denisestephaniebotello49  No, that is your personal experience. Unless you have seperate evidence to back it up, it can't really be used to prove God's existence
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  286.  @denisestephaniebotello49  What about it?
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  287.  @denisestephaniebotello49  I have read it, that's how I can dismiss it. It contains some interesting historical information but it gives no good evidence for the existence of God. How does it say anything about God's existence? It's a religious movement. Where is your evidence for God's existence?
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  288. Except Satan isn't real....
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  289. No. No they don't. And they have plenty of cringe worthy fights in comments sections all across the internet showing it
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  290.  @sophialihan1681  Horror movies prove the works of God....?
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  291.  @johndeoliveira8476  Oh John you're still about. Weird that you are telling John Kofi that everybody has"innate worth and intrinsic value", yet in your last discussion, you refused to condemn slavery as bad despite being given many chances to...
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  292.  @johndeoliveira8476  Finally an answer! Proud of you buddy. Knew you had it in you. But it seems you still haven't read or recalled anything I said about ethics and my personal moral code. So, now you've finally given me an answer on slavery, your next challenge is to ago back and actually read what I said. You can do it. I believe in you
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  293. Are you not aware of all the religious wars and conflicts there have been throughout history....?
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  294. So what?
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  295. He kind of is though....
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  296. How are calling God an a-hole and having beliefs mutually exclusive?
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  297.  @johndeoliveira8476  You think life is meaningless? That's a very different take from you John
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  298.  @allyhastings3887  Ah, Pascal's wager? So how do you know your God is the correct God to believe in then? Who says you won't go to hell for worshipping the wrong god?
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  299. He means the guy that causes natural disasters and gives cancer to little kids
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  300.  @allisoncamerlin5268  There is a legitimate reason to give cancer to little kids? Please explain to me what that is. And natural disasters are to punish the sinful? So all those wicked babies dying in floods and earthquakes deserved it then?
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  301.  @allisoncamerlin5268  Any god who creates a system where babies are born inheriting sin is no all loving god and not worthy of my worship
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  302.  @allisoncamerlin5268  He did create sin. He created everything, his power has no limits. Therefore he created sin
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  303.  @allisoncamerlin5268  God created the whole world. He decided what is possible and impossible. He created a world where sin is possible,therefore he created sin Or look at it another way. God knows everything. All that was, all that is, all that will be. So even before he created Adam and Eve he knew they would sin, but he still made them anyway
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  304.  @allisoncamerlin5268  Figure out what on their own? He created them, knowing 100% that they were always going to fail and introduce sin and pain and suffering into the world and he still went ahead with it. He is responsible
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  305. Nobody needs to see that
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  306. You don't raise your kids into atheism. Everybody is born an atheist and they habe religion forced upon them.
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  307.  @MaRyaYTOfficial  It's not that you are too young too comprehend, you don't have a concept of God because there is no proof of him and no logical reason to come to the concept yourself. It must be forcibly introduced to you by a believer
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  308. If the shoe fits...
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  309.  @juliamiller5120  Is one to still show respect to a monster like God? Seems like one could call him any name they choose given his actions.
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  310.  @juliamiller5120  Why is that of concern to me? I would not mince my words in talking about a figure I consider to be deplorable. If somebody is upset by what I say about said figure, then they need to re-evaluate who it is they are choosing to follow.
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  311.  @juliamiller5120  God as depicted in the Bible
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  312.  @rafaelcamacho3015  I am not calling a being an a-hole. I am calling a character one
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  313.  @juliamiller5120  So conveniently, all the parts you happen to like most accurately reflect God as you see him, and all the nasty stuff is just people misinterpreting? What about God's condoning slavery?
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  314.  @zosiakrasnopolska1338  You know Exodus 21 lays out specific rules for owning a slave including giving permission to beat them....?
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  315. That is not proof of a creator
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  316.  @muhammadhashim2573  No, I am saying something can't be proof for only a certain kind of people. Truth is objective. You can't say 2+2 =4 for only people open minded to math. It is true for everybody. So you saying it is "proof for open minded people" is a ridiculous statement to make
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  317.  @muhammadhashim2573  Ah right. So you can't claim with anything resembling certainty that Allah exists
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  318.  @muhammadhashim2573  Well no, I didn't create myself. That doesn't mean there is a god.... You can claim with certainty? So you have clear and unquestionable proof?
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  319.  @muhammadhashim2573 Well you can measure love, hate, and consciousness, they are all chemical reactions and are observable. You perhaps can't quantify them, true. And ok. You have no objective proof, so no non-believer has any reason to believe you should you say that Allah exists
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  320.  @muhammadhashim2573  No one can create the complexity in my body? Ok, so we weren't created and came about through creator-less means. Thanks for agreeing with me!
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  321.  @muhammadhashim2573  "The Complexity In Your Body Isn't Created By Man But It Is Created By Allah " - You have still yet to prove that in any way "Nothing In This Universe Is Creator Less If Not Then It Means 0+0=1 " - A completely baseless claim.
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  322.  @muhammadhashim2573  "Nothing can pop out of nowhere". A slightly odd phrasing. Are you perhaps alluding to the phrase often trotted out by creationists like Ray that "something cannot come from nothing"? What questions?
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  323.  @muhammadhashim2573  And why would you say that? What questions? Why is that relevant?
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  324.  @muhammadhashim2573  Now who's ignoring questions? How is it relevant?
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  325.  @muhammadhashim2573  And I have asked you each time, why is that relevant?
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  326.  @muhammadhashim2573  My beliefs have no relevance to or impact on the flaws in the reasoning behind the beliefs you have expressed
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  327.  @muhammadhashim2573  If we were having a discussion about each others' views that would be true. But we are not. Thus far we have only been discussing the claims that you have put forth and have so far been unable to sufficiently back up. My own beliefs are irrelevant to that
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  328.  @muhammadhashim2573  How do my beliefs impact yours in any way? They don't make yours any more or less correct? And based on what you have tried to present in support of them thus far, they are definitely not correct
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  329.  @muhammadhashim2573  You have made a number of claims and have backed them up in no significant way. The fact that the body requires a divine creator for example. Or the claim that something cannot come from nothing
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  330.  @muhammadhashim2573  Because they are baseless claims. You have provided no sufficient further reasoning or evidence as to why somebody should accept your claims as true
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  331.  @muhammadhashim2573  If I can't prove it wrong it must be true? That's not how anything works buddy.... Can you prove to me 100% that unicorns aren't real? Because by your logic, if you can't then they must be real
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  332.  @muhammadhashim2573  When did I say you were wrong? I have only repeatedly said you have not proven your claims Something you are still doing when you stall like this....
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  333.  @muhammadhashim2573  You have simply stated a number of things as if they are fact, but have not offered any evidence for them. You said the body is so complex it clearly needs a creator, but you didn't offer any evidence to support that. You stated that something cannot come from nothing, you offered no proof for that.
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  334.  @muhammadhashim2573  How is it a fact? Elaborate please. Machines need a designer. That doesn't mean that a body does
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  335.  @muhammadhashim2573  You didn't elaborate. You have said it is a "fact" that something can't come from nothing. If that's indeed the case, please demonstrate how it is a fact. So? That doesn't mean it has to have come from a God....
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  336.  @muhammadhashim2573  I don't debate that machines specifically require creators. But that does not mean that humans do. It also does not prove that something cannot come from nothing, a point you have yet to sufficiently address
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  337.  @muhammadhashim2573  Because we know from experience a machine requires a creator. We were there when they were first designed, we understand their workings completely and know that a designer is required. Have you been present when life as you know it was introduced to a system, and therefore know it needs a designer?
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  338.  @muhammadhashim2573  A body is not an actual machine. You can compare it to one for the sake of imagery or to explain a point but in this instance you cannot say that just because a machine needs a creator, a body does too. It's absurd. Even if I saw an unknown machine for the frist time, my previous experience with other machines and understanding of them would allow me to recognize that this new object was likely one of them. You know you are basically just arguing along the lines of the Watchmaker Argument? It's an incredibly common argument put forth by creationists and has been refuted countless times over the years
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  339.  @muhammadhashim2573  Humans are not a machine. You have not explained in any way why we would require a designer. You are even contradicting yourself. The body is he most complex machine and therefore requires a designer, but it also completely different from other machines and can't be compared to them? You are all over the place
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  340.  @muhammadhashim2573  Fine. But I do encourage you to look up the watchmaker argument and all its problems. You are just repeating the same tired argument that has already been shown to be illogical decades ago
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  341.  @muhammadhashim2573  "Sir"? Do you think I am a man....?
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  342. Why not? Behaving like an asshole seems like a perfectly good reason to reject a deity
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  343. I'll save you time, they don't. Star signs mean nothing
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  344.  @melm7661  I'm not. I am saying it doesn't require confirmation at all. No basis for any reasonable person to believe it would so why make a video?
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  345.  @naomi7495  But you clearly understand how to focus on an obvious typo since you clearly can't address anything I actually said
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  346. Has there ever been a believer who did the same, studied literally EVERY other world religion, past and present, before deciding theirs was the only true one? The burden of proof is not on the atheist to disprove the claims of the religious, it is up to the religious to prove their claims to everybody else
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  347.  @arandomhandsomeman7725  As the believer making the claim, it is LITERALLY up to you to prove it. That is how the burden of proof works in every situation. If I take you to court and accuse you of a crime, it is my duty to provide proof and show you are guilty. It's not the other way around and your job to prove you are 100% innocent.
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  348.  @johndeoliveira8476  That backs up nothing. One part of the bible being accurate, like somebody being a real historical figure, doesn't make the rest of it automatically true...
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  349.  @johndeoliveira8476  What evidence is that then?
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  350.  @johndeoliveira8476  And where are there reliable written accounts?
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  351.  @johndeoliveira8476  Can't use the Bible to prove the Bible dude. Unreliable source
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  352.  @johndeoliveira8476  The Bible says there are eyewitness accounts that back up what is in the Bible, therefore the Bible is true? Where are actual, independent written eyewitness accounts?
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  353.  @johndeoliveira8476   John Oliveira  Wait, that's it? The entirety of your supposed evidence for the resurrection is just the Bible haha? The Bible is the one making the claim, it needs further evidence to back it up. Come on dude
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  354.  @simonthesiamesecat5274  Wow, I come back and clearly missed a lot. Nicely done Pavan
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  355.  @simonthesiamesecat5274  Why?
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  356. I do. And more often than not organized religion suppresses diversity of thought
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  357.  @apologetics2785  Thought I just spent a bunch of comments showing to you that he is
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  358.  @JOVine-gl6df  Religion started science? What is that even supposed to mean? haha If you look at the man often referred to as the "father of modern science" Galileo, he was literally locked up by the Church for his work. And the bible is historical so it's true? Again, what kind of logic is this? Parts of the bible have been shown to be historically accurate, that doesn't mean every absurd claim is
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  359.  @JOVine-gl6df  Please elaborate. Cite some examples
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  360.  @johndeoliveira8476  Oh look, it's the guy who couldn't back up using the Bible as a source for proof of the Resurrection. Still waiting for an answer on that buddy
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  361.  @johndeoliveira8476  You said you had evidence for the Resurrection. That evidence turned out to be the bible. Stil waiting for to either justify that, or have the moment of realization at just how illogical that is
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  362.  @JOVine-gl6df  Well yes, exactly. Theists make a claim, atheists reject it and take it the opposite position. What point were you trying to make...?
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  363. Probably not, but it's guaranteed to be a super cringey video
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  364. huh?
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  365. Bible doesn't need to be proven wrong, it has to be proved to be correct. Which it hasn't. No evidence
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  366. How so?
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  367. What is there to be confused about?
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  368. How do you know the kind of God they were taught about?
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  369. Oh they are not the ignorant ones here buddy....
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  370. Ah, so if he was open carrying an assault rifle and yelling at the women present that abortion was murder, we would know he was a Republican?
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  371.  @user-hn4og2zd9t  You seem like a stable individual
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  372. Well no, nobody knows God exists. That's why it's called having faith
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  373.  @Burgerman1171  What evidence is there of God?
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  374.  @Burgerman1171  Why don't you tell me what evidence there supposedly is and I will see if I am convinced
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  375. Well no, God doesn't give anybody choice. The existence of an all-knowing God is completely incompatible with free will
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  376.  @kbrown6543  Human logic is perfectly sufficient here. An omniscient God knows every choice every human will ever make. How can a truly independent free will exist alongside that? It can't
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  377.  @kbrown6543  God knows before I am born, that I will not be a believer and in fact, never had a chance to be. Then he still allows me to be born, live my life and then send me to hell for not believing in him. How is that free will at work?
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  378.  @kbrown6543  But I don't have a choice. God knew I would reject him, and God can't be wrong right? So my choice is completely removed from the equation. Unless you are suggesting God doesn't know everything?
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  379.  @kbrown6543  But I don't. As I have pointed out, there can be no truly independent free will if an omniscient God exists. You haven't really attempted to counter that point.
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  380.  @kbrown6543  Spiritually blind? Unfortunately I am not the one acting blind to something here. It is a shame you are unwilling to approach a discussion of this nature with an open mind, or willing to question your beliefs. Try approaching this topic without your biases and preconceived notions and you may get a new view on things
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  381.  @kbrown6543  You've clearly not questioned hard enough...
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  382. Says who?
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  383. Not really. Faith is required to believe in something. Atheism is a lack of faith or belief
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  384.  @johnsilva3119  Just because you can't believe it doesn't mean it's neither true nor likely
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  385.  @johnsilva3119  People years ago thought a flat earth was common sense or that the sun went around the earth. Not a good reason
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  386.  @johnsilva3119  You argue certain things about the origin of the universe are just "common sense". I am merely pointing out that holds no real weight, what is considered common sense is often done so in the face of conflicting evidence
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  387. Not really going to achieve much, is it?
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  388.  @X2the2ndPower  Yes you do... You have said the world is so obviously designed it must require a creator. That means you have to defend that position kn the face of all evidence to the contrary
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  389. "Jewisum"...? I think you mean "Judaism"
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  390.  @Maksie0  Well said
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  391. Many atheists also celebrate Christmas. There are many things which have become ingrained in culture for reasons beyond their religious origin
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  392. ​ @johndeoliveira8476  So fans who all believe their sports team is the best around, have automatically formed a religion? Also, I just realised who you are. You still hanging around this comment section trying and failing to take on atheists?
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  393.  @johndeoliveira8476  What was pathetic?
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  394.  @johndeoliveira8476  So again, by your odd definition veganism and white supremacy are religions....
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  395.  @johndeoliveira8476  In your eyes, being a white supremacist is just as much a religion as Christianity....?
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  396.  @johndeoliveira8476  But in your eyes they are equally called religions. I find that idea crazy, but if memory serves me correctly, you are the guy who refused to denounce slavery, so maybe it makes more sense
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  397. Geniuses such as?
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  398.  @jamielouis4506  Where did I deny that during his life, Newton was a Christian? Ok, so he was a deist and would have likely believed in exactly all the same science as modern atheists tend to
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  399.  @jamielouis4506  They can believe in a higher power as long as such belief doe snot conflict with proven science. But you cannot be a Creationist Christian and a scientist, for example
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  400.  @lucygraham9163  So? Those people believe in the existence of a being based on a work of fiction from the past. Seems they should be prepared for that to be made of
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  401.  @lucygraham9163  Yes, I am saying over 2 billion peope believe in fiction. But why does the number of believers matter? Doesn't make something any more or less true/real. People shouldn't share their opinions if harmful to others? So no Christian should ever share their opinions then. That's caused demonstrable harm throughout history. And I hope you see the delicious irony in claiming that by missing a word I am somehow not fit to have an opinion, whilst simultaneously spelling the word "you" as "tou" and "beliefs" as "belies" within your own writing haha
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  402.  @lucygraham9163  Of course you should. You however said to me "people shouldn't share their opinions if they are harmful to others". So by your logic every Christian who uses their faith to speak out against homosexuality for example, should never express that belief. Indeed, even the notion of telling somebody that they are being sinful is clearly harmful to somebody, so by your logic no Christian should ever share such a thought. Christians's could never say that their god "is the one true God" because that would immediately belittle the faiths of others. So do you still stand by that claim about the expression of opinions? Have you not read the Bible? That alone depicts a number of atrocities caused by God, never mind the greater number of philosophical and theological reasons one could use to attach such a label to him
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  403. Such as?
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  404.  @igormotadeoliveiramedeiros9517  Yeah, study done in 2018 had around 70% of atheists identifying "intellectual reasons" as their primary reason for non-belief. Want me to link it?
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  405. You arrived at that conclusion how?
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  406. Well am hosting a dinner party soon and the whole water into wine would save me a pretty penny. Otherwise I think I'm good
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  407.  @betsywinter9661  How did anybody in this video misrepresent their religion?
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  408. The church was founded by a fraudster. Him and his "golden plates".
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  409.  @lexiewallace8672  How sad. Attacking how it was written and not the content itself, surest sign that you had no legitimate response. Kind of worrying that you would follow the faith but not be able to defend the very thing on which it was founded...
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  410.  @lexiewallace8672  And again, ignoring the content of what I said. I guess criticial thinking skills aren't taught and encouraged within the LDS? A shame
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  411.  @lexiewallace8672  And there we go. The religious telling others how to behave, yet again...
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  412. Well, God turned Lot's wife into salt for looking back at her home as he destroyed it with fire and brimstone while she had no idea she wasn't supposed to look back (Genesis 19:26), has a whole list of people with things he considers imperfections that he doesn't think is worthy of praising him (Leviticus 21:17-24), decided he was going to murder Moses for no reason at all and then changed his mind (Exodus 4:24-26), told Abraham he had to murder his own child and then changed his mind while telling Jepthath he had to burn his daughter alive (Genesis 22:1-12), don't forget the plagues of Egypt (Numbers 16:41-49), killed Onan because he didn't get his sister in law pregnant after God said to (Genesis 38:1-10), possessed Samson and killed 30 people over a riddle (Judges 14:1-19), physically assaulted Jacob in mortal form and wrestled him all night eventually dislocating his hip and couldn't beat him so he walked off (Genesis 32: 22-31), killed thousands of Israelites because they were upset over god killing them with earthquakes after being upset that Moses was acting like he was better than they were (Numbers 16:1-49), literally the entire Book of Job, genocide (Joshua 6:20-21, Deuteronomy 2:32-35, Deuteronomy 3:3-7, Numbers 31:7-18, 1 Samuel 15:1-9), killed 50,000 people for being curious (1 Samuel 6:19), and lastly (because I can keep going, and I don't want to), destroying Sodom and Gomorrah for being inhospitable towards strangers (Ezekiel 16:49-50).
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  413.  @jarish1275  Well no. If you believe in the Biblical God you can't also believe in free will. It's totally incompatible with the notion of an omniscient God
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  414.  @jarish1275  How can you reconcile free will with an Omniscient God. Answer my original question please.
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  415.  @jarish1275  Omniscient means he knows everything that was, is and will be. Before I was even born he knows whether I will go to heaven or hell. He knows every factor that effects every decision, knows every decision I am ever going to make. How can you possibly say that I have free will, the ability to make completely independent decisions?
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  416.  @jarish1275  I didn't say that life is predestined in the sense that God has a plan for everybody. I am saying that God's very omniscience renders free will impossible. You didn't address my argument at all. Perhaps you didn't understand it and need it explained a different way?
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  417.  @jarish1275  It's not my belief, it is the Classical concept of God followed by all the Abrahamic religions. Omniscience is a key component. And YET AGAIN you fail to talk about how omniscience and free will are compatible. Seems to suggest that your view of God is so poorly thought out that you have never considered this point. Shame to see you treat your faith so carelessly
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  418. Yeah, the biblical God doesn't exactly set the bar very high on that front
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  419. How is prayer always beneficial?
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  420.  @priakahlon2364  So when a child prays for their sick parent to get better, that parent dies and that child is confused as to why their prayer didn't work, it is overall beneficial to them?
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  421.  @priakahlon2364  Well no, it's God's fault for giving the parent cancer in the first place
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  422. How so?
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  423. In this instance. Studies have shown most people identifying as atheist did so for "intellectual reasons"
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  424. A miracle that had a chance to happen? So not a miracle then as they by definition should be impossible, should have no chance to happen
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  425.  @Mantas-uy5ph  Right, you can't believe it was a genuine miracle, because it wasn't
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  426.  @Mantas-uy5ph  And there you go. A truth that is only true to you, is not objective truth at all
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  427.  @Mantas-uy5ph  Factual truth. If it's undeniable truth than how can people be blind to it? Where is your proof?
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  428.  @Mantas-uy5ph  If I am meant to know? So there is no free will involved? God chooses who gets to know he is real? That doesn't seem fair at all. Not the actions of an all loving God
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  429.  @KazMMA7  Does it hurt to face the truth, that the Christian God does not exist?
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  430. How does prayer work?
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  431.  @JimmyRonan1992  Please enlighten me as to the correct way
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  432.  @JimmyRonan1992  Ah, so the little kid who prays sincerely for the their cancer stricken parent to get better, but is later orphaned, just didn't believe enough?
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  433.  @Jaayhussle  Who, the religious people?
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  434. How so?
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  435. Not every atheist is confrontational, but I wouldn't overly chastise those who are. Life changing decisions are often made in the name of someone else's religious beliefs. I would be outraged if the whole reason my rights were impacted was because of somebody's unfounded religious claims.
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  436.  @wassabiii600  Wow, that's a lot of words in defense of a work of fiction
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  437.  @aheartonfire7191  How is it offensive?
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  438. I don't believe in the God of the Bible because here's no evidence for him. If he did exist, I would still reject him for being such an asshole
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  439.  @lupitagarcia1804  Why not?
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  440. How so?
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  441.  @kirrathenerd8614  Well unless you are using prayer as a form of calming meditation it is a waste of time. If you are expecting direct results from praying to a God your time is most certainly being wasted
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  442. How so?
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  443.  @zakiyareignshinellc4299  I don't quite understand what you mean. How was he disrespectful?
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  444. Pretty sure you could find many of us atheists willing to talk on here
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  445.  @johnsilva3119  I didn't claim that you said they don't. Look at my comment again
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  446.  @johnsilva3119  Your entire definition of atheism is based on believing the universe was born from an explosion, I assume implying the Big Bang. But atheism, simply states there is no God. It says nothing about the creation of the universe
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  447. ​ @johnsilva3119  Again, atheism intrinsically offers no views on the origin of the universe. This is just you projecting your own biases upon it.
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  448.  @johnsilva3119  These are atheists who seperate to that have their opinions about the origin of the universe, that happen to not to feature a god. How do you continue to fail to see this distinction?
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  449.  @johnsilva3119   Why do you jump to that conclusion? Who says the universe needs something spaceless, timeless and with a powerful mind to create it? That is your own bias showing again
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  450.  @johnsilva3119  So why can't something come fron nothing, as it were?
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  451.  @johnsilva3119  You have observed absolute nothing and are therefore able to comment on it?
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  452.  @johnsilva3119  You are the one being illogical here. You keep following the old "something can't come from nothing" trope, but that's not the whole truth. What you are actually implying is "nothing has ever been observed to have come from nothing, therefore it never happens". That is absurd. We observe and discover new things every day that we had no knowledge of before. Whether something can come from nothing is a matter of empirical investigation. You can't just rule it out based on some "law" that is based on the incomplete observation of local empirical events over a short period of time
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  453.  @johnsilva3119   john silva  Not blind faith. Science backing it. And you have done nothing to address my point that we can't say that nothing cannot come from something. Right. You don't "believe" they came about by chance. But I don't see you refuting any of the science that explains just how the world operates and functions without the need for a creator to complete said explanation.
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  454.  @johnsilva3119  You are convinced there must be a creator because there is "clearly"design and order present. But to argue that something is clearly so well designed that it requires a designer, you must show that a designer is the only possible explanation. Is that what you are saying?
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  455.  @johnsilva3119  Ok. So that leaves you with the task of debunking every scientific explanation we have for how the universe operates. Up to the task?
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  456.  @johnsilva3119  So you can't claim the existence of a designer with anything resembling authority
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  457. Because if God exists, as portrayed in the Bible, he is indeed an a-hole
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  458.  @JOVine-gl6df  Well that's the thing though isn't it? It's all just opinion and conjecture as the being in question has not been shown to actually exist
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  459. Copied from another commenter: God turned Lot's wife into salt for looking back at her home as he destroyed it with fire and brimstone while she had no idea she wasn't supposed to look back (Genesis 19:26), has a whole list of people with things he considers imperfections that he doesn't think is worthy of praising him (Leviticus 21:17-24), decided he was going to murder Moses for no reason at all and then changed his mind (Exodus 4:24-26), told Abraham he had to murder his own child and then changed his mind while telling Jepthath he had to burn his daughter alive (Genesis 22:1-12), don't forget the plagues of Egypt (Numbers 16:41-49), killed Onan because he didn't get his sister in law pregnant after God said to (Genesis 38:1-10), possessed Samson and killed 30 people over a riddle (Judges 14:1-19), physically assaulted Jacob in mortal form and wrestled him all night eventually dislocating his hip and couldn't beat him so he walked off (Genesis 32: 22-31), killed thousands of Israelites because they were upset over god killing them with earthquakes after being upset that Moses was acting like he was better than they were (Numbers 16:1-49), literally the entire Book of Job, genocide (Joshua 6:20-21, Deuteronomy 2:32-35, Deuteronomy 3:3-7, Numbers 31:7-18, 1 Samuel 15:1-9), killed 50,000 people for being curious (1 Samuel 6:19), and lastly (because I can keep going, and I don't want to), destroying Sodom and Gomorrah for being inhospitable towards strangers (Ezekiel 16:49-50).
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  460. People can't help being gay. The religious choose to believe in something for which there is no proof. Completey different
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  461.  @UltraAar  How is it my purpose to worship him exactly? Isn't he supposed to have given me free will and the ability to reject him? I mean in my eyes the God of the Bible is a monster. Didn't say it was objective fact
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  462.  @UltraAar  Well if God exists, nobody has free will anyway. An omniscient God is incomparable with free will. And besides you just rendered your original question moot then I stated my opinion. I didn't know you found me to be so commanding and authoritative as to take everything I write as fact.
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  463.  @savinaslavcheva9700  If you have finished with your multi comment speech, you will see I actually replied to you some time ago...
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  464.  @savinaslavcheva9700  So just ignoring the long list of examples I provided you....?
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  465. So you just have blind faith then?
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  466. How so?
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  467. I'll save you time. They don't. Astrology is all nonsense
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  468.  @jamielouis4506  Why?
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  469.  @jamielouis4506  Atheism doesn't say anything about the production of consciousness. I don't have to prove anything about it to justify the atheist position. Anybody claiming the existence of a god however has a LOT they need to prove
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  470. Tell that to all those little kids he gave cancer to
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  471. If the shoe fits. Biblical God is most definitely an a hole
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  472. What are you referring to?
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  473.  @apologetics2785  They can be processed by the human brain. Otherwise no one would ever able to make or follow a logical argument....
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  474.  @apologetics2785  So you are saying that humans can never understand logic? So why should I trust the argument you're making as it must therefore be illogical in nature?
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  475.  @apologetics2785  Are you attemtping to quote me in your first part? Otherwise you are being completely contradictory. Every thought we have is just a synthetic process in our brain. Our thinking about laws is as such, the laws themselves exist independently.
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  476.  @apologetics2785  Somebody who believes in God and hell, doesn't see the irony in calling somebody else's worldview illogical? Our thinking is entirely predictable, whether you believe that to be sue to human brain chemistry and external stimulants, or you believe in God. If you believe in an omniscient God, then you are also accepting that free will does not exist as the two are incompatible
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  477.  @apologetics2785  And what contradiction would that be?
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  478.  @apologetics2785  I have gotten the impression previously that English may not be your first language, which is fine, but this time I really don't get what you are trying to say. Perhaps try rephrasing it?
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  479.  @apologetics2785  Exactly how are universal laws impossible in a Godless universe? Please elaborate
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  480.  @apologetics2785  Why does it matter if the universe is unguided?
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  481.  @apologetics2785  There are constants. We have universal laws, in a universe that was created by chance. We also understand those. This a really strange argument you are proposing. You keep making these statements with nothing to back them up
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  482.  @apologetics2785  So again, just making sweeping statements without anything to back them up. Seems like you are trying to convince yourself of what you are saying more than you are me. And if all arguments had been refuted by the faithful, everybody would be religious rather than faith actually being on the decline globally
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  483.  @apologetics2785  Again these sweeping statements with no evidence to back it up. "Without a guided universe science is not possible". Says who? Of course it's possible. We live in such a universe. Feeling more and more like you heard a Christian apologist spout an argument once and you are just regurgitating it from memory without any idea of what it really means haha
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  484. ​ @apologetics2785  You are the one jumping around here. Every time I ask you to support a statement, you simply change topic, attempt a personal attack etc Is it that you have nothing but this outdated argument to lean on so you're just going to keep pushing away, despite it making little sense and being discredited ever since Kant first proposed it?
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  485.  @apologetics2785  You have not shown me logic and induction can't exist in my worldview, because they do exist in my very reality and God does not haha. I countered that point already, if you are arguing logic is dependent on God then you are taking away is omnipotence. Do you not believe in an omnipotent God?
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  486.  @apologetics2785  Look back to when you first started making claims about logic. I raised the issue of God's omnipotence back then and you never addressed it. This is the opposite of me changing the topic, I am attempting to get you to stay on topic and realise you can't claim to have shut me down in regards to your argument concerning logic when you haven't even addressed my rebuke haha
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  487.  @apologetics2785  Why are you changing the subject? Please address my point about God's omnipotence.
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  488.  @apologetics2785  I am not. Look at the 5th comment I posted. I am not running away, I am not changing the subject. I am still talking about YOUR claims regarding logic and my rebuke of them. Why will you not address this? The more you avoid it the more it appears it is simply because you can't counter it, in which case either we have to disregard your claims about logic or accept that God is omnipotent
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  489.  @apologetics2785  What do you mean what's my point? How many times must I say this, look at my comment. It was a direct response to your claims about logic. If you are going to assert that logic is dependent on God then it calls his omnipotence into question. Did you not read it all? I understand you are a little worked up right now but if you are going to engage in discussion the least you could do is actually read my responses
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  490.  @apologetics2785  Its not off topic, it ties directly to your argument. And why are you asking for an explanation? I gave a full detailed explanation in that original coment.... Are you so stubborn that you STILL did not look? Or did you not understand it?
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  491.  @apologetics2785  Ah so you don't understand it then. Which part are you struggling with?
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  492.  @apologetics2785  I am childish? You spent how many comments telling me I don't understand my own worldview, yet when I direct you to an early comment I made expressing my view and rebuking yours, you are lost haha And I am confused. You want me to copy and paste the comment again? You can just read the original, why do you need a copy?
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  493.  @apologetics2785  Please don't misunderstand, I was confused not by your argument, but because of your odd choice of language. I have tried my best not to raise it because as I said before, it seems clear English is not your first language. But some of the language choices you have made have been very strange and pretty non-nonsensical at times. You can't claim to win any debate when you have yet to address my primary counter to your claims. If you are ignoring any actual point raised against you, you are not having a debate, you are just standing here complimenting yourself in a rather pathetic manner....
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  494.  @apologetics2785  Why are you incapable of actually directly addressing my critique of your argument?
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  495.  @apologetics2785  Calm down dear. No need to get so worked up. Here you go Of course logic can exist without God. You seem to be referencing the Transcendental Argument for God which has been refuted and discredited for hundreds of years now If logic is created by or contingent on God, it is not necessary--it is contingent on God. And if principles of logic are contingent on God, they are not logically necessary, and God can change them as he wills. Thus God can change the laws of identity to make them invalid at some point, making statements not the same as themselves. Since logic is contingent on God as one of His creations, to argue that God cannot change the laws of logic blows away God's omnipotence. As a result, the claim that logic is dependent on God is false.
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  496.  @apologetics2785  "God cannot do illogical things like you wish". That is exactly my point dude. There should surely be no limits at to what God is able to do if he is truly omnipotent? Well done you, you are so close to finally addressing my point.
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  497.  @apologetics2785  Right, so he can't be omnipotent then. And if he's not omnipotent, then he no longer fits the Classical Concept of God accepted by most philosophers and theologians as the qualities God requires to exist
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  498. So why are you Christian then?
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  499. How so?
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  500.  @XxMegaCrafter  Moot point. If you tell a gay person they are choosing to be gay, you are directly insulting a person in front of you. I say that God is an a-hole, I am just insulting a fictional figure
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  501.  @XxMegaCrafter  That doesn't make sense. Something is real or not. It doesn't matter who the person is, God either exists or he doesn't. No proof for him, therefore he doesn't
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  502.  @XxMegaCrafter  I believe I started existing yesterday? I think you got a bit confused with your example there And it doesn't change things. Something can not be "true" to one person and not another. Truth by definition is objective
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  503.  @XxMegaCrafter  So beyond my own memories, there would be the testimonies of others, video and photographic evidence, records of my birth, medical records, DNA evidence etc All that to prove my existence, nothing to prove God's.
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  504.  @XxMegaCrafter  True, but in the absence if anything else they are the best thing to work with. God has no such evidence. It's quite telling that you haven't offered up any evidence for God's existence, but just try to question everything else
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  505. ....?
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  506. Care to explain how so?
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  507. Yeah, how are they confused exactly?
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  508. How would that be entertaining? Star signs have no actual bearing on a person's personality
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  509. What truths would those be?
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  510.  @johndeoliveira8476  Says the guy who constantly engages others here in debate and then flees as soon as he faces a serious question....
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  511. They are already just labels. There is very little that is objectively truth, we live in a world of moral ambiguity
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  512. How so?
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  513.  @johndeoliveira8476  Most of us have read the book John. That's why we are atheist
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  514.  @johndeoliveira8476  None of which you have successfully provided me with previously
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  515.  @johndeoliveira8476  I have done my research. Likely more than you. But if you are claiming a god exists the burden of proof lies with you
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  516.  @johndeoliveira8476  I don't understand. You appear to be missing a few words from your sentences. But again, if you are claiming the Bible contains evidence for God you have yet to provide any in our previous interactions. In fact if my memory serves me correctly, you left a lot unanswered, usually abandoning the conversation rather than try to address my points
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  517.  @johndeoliveira8476  There are certain historical events referenced that are believed to be true. But those being true doesn't mean all the stuff about God is true. You still have to prove that
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  518.  @johndeoliveira8476  Just because certain locations and events in the Bible are true does not mean everything is. I have asked you previously for the separate eye witness accounts independent of the Bible. You could not give them. Dying for a belief does not make it true, that's ridiculous logic. Let me tell you something interesting. Yesterday I went to McDonalds after I left, I had a vision of the Lord who told me I am in fact the new Messiah and it is my responsibility to lead the world down its new path. You have to believe as well. I can show you video that I was in McDonalds, show you proof it's a real location and give you some handwritten testimonies of my friends who were there as well. So you see, indisputable proof I am the new Messiah.
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  519.  @johndeoliveira8476  How are you not getting this? I acknowledge there are things in the Bible that are historically true. But some true things does not guarantee everything is true. Are you seriously suggesting that just because this book references real cities, I should therefore accept it as truth and therefore accept God's existence?
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  520.  @johndeoliveira8476  Stop trying to change the subject to the standards for truth. You have claimed the bible is true yet have given no compelling evidence as such. I gave an explanation as to why the "evidence" you did give is insufficient, and you haven't addressed that in every way. This is what you seem to do every time, make grand claims, fail to back them up and then get defensive and try to change topic. Why engage in a discussion if you are going to be intellectually dishonest?
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  521.  @johndeoliveira8476  I am not. I addressed your question and your motivation behind it.... Why are you incapable of ever actually responding to what I typs?
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  522.  @johndeoliveira8476  And I debunked your evidence. You have not addressed my critique at all. Until you do so, it remains a valid critique and your so called evidence does not stand. So what was wrong with what I said?
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  523.  @johndeoliveira8476  I asked for eyewitness accounts seperate from the Bible. If it is just the bible saying there many witnesses there is no reason to believe that. So you are saying that all the suicide bombers who died in recent years were dying for true beliefs?
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  524. Why is that? I will show a person basic respect upon meeting but if they then espouse beliefs that are ridiculous or outrageous I should be able to call them out on that. The God of the bible acts like an a hole, one should be able to say as such
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