Comments by "canucktunes" (@canucktunes) on "" video.

  1. You'd think people would stop using white coats in their anti-sealing videos then, right ? 20 years and they're still implying and outright claiming that white coats are being hunted in the legal commercial hunt, the only purpose being the collection of donations - Like Paul Watson said himself in the 1978 CBC interview with Barbara Frum ! There's more to this than an emotional attachment. There needs to be hard evidence somewhere !
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  2. One can only guess who rated this childish rhetoric 3 thumbs up. Why do they think they're going to be taken seriously after cut & pasting such tripe ? As a joke I claimed environmentalists like to illegally fondle baby seals and his response was that it was a sexual comment. LOL !
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  3. Rigid bias. You are trying to impose a situation where it is impossible for the hunt to be humane and implying a conclusion that the EFSA document has addressed by claiming the current methods are acceptable. You complain about the minute amounts of seals that were not properly incapacitated and you dismiss all solutions to this problem. It takes hardly a second for another blow to proceed. Mountain out of a mole hill.
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  4. "Thats hiding!" From whom ? People who are there to film and observe get in and will not likely be refused a license. Sea Shepherd interfere and provoke behavior that isn't normally found at the seal hunt. They're just there to create these theatrical appeals for donations, while risking the safety of others - Including DFO officials. This is a non topic. People who think this is censorship have never studied history. IFAW's access is proof that no media controlling "regime" exists in Canada.
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  5. 1987 - That's when the hunt for white coats became illegal. Not 1996. So the anti-seal hunt advocates you talk with are not the best source for information on this subject.
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  6. Your best bet is to use the "view all ### comments" at the bottom left of the video's main page. It's somewhat more sequential but yeah, it gets confusing when comments get beyond some point. I'll try to add a "XB70 said" summary but there are limitations in regards to the length of comments.
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  7. European Food Safety Authority document EFSA-Q-2007-118, published in December, 2007. It says that the killing methods are fine as it stands and that the amount of non compliance in regards to these methods can be corrected. It contains no condemnation of the Canadian seal hunt. But you will of course refuse to read it, just like all of your fellow protesters, going as far as claiming that this EU government document was paid for by special interest groups.
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  8. Fisherman ? Where ? Oh, I see. You're one of those people that like to assume things - Like the amount of seals that allegedly escape and die under the ice. It's called an estimate and the term "thousands" is quite vague. And note that it isn't in the "tens of" or the "hundreds of" thousands. We don't have actual figures and can't assume large numbers of seals died without their carcasses.
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  9. The voice over claims that people are not being issued licenses to view the commercial hunt. That wasn't a commercial hunt and from the footage i've seen on Youtube I seriously doubt people are getting their footage confiscated, as the voice over implied. People will continuously claim these seals are pups just to manipulate the viewer. I've already said these are "beaters" and the stats are available from the DFO, which is accountable by law.
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  10. What an odd comment seeing that i've already said that more were issued last year and having noticed that most were being used, the DFO didn't issue any this year. Didn't I tell you I didn't think this was a war, battle or game ? You're trying to start a two player solitaire here. Anyhow, you forgot that there's more to this industry than the sealers and these other people don't need sealing licenses.
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  11. yeah, and you guys want to control it. You don't like what someone says, you try to insult it away. It's disgusting.
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  12. The blink test or skull palpitation test was conducted on 33% of 149 seals they could establish a timeline on - On 169 seals. They may claim to have never seen the third procedure, bleeding, but then the couldn't establish a timeline for 20 seals. Then there's the fact that the activists failed to dismiss the claim that sealers are able to feel the damage caused by clubbing, the majority of seals having sufficient damage to their skull to render them unconscious or dead according to the EFSA.
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  13. Huh ? My face in what video ? I'm not on any video on Youtube. Most of my videos are scenic, nature and animal vids. I have no problem eating vegetarian meals. There are several great eateries here in Ottawa and i've encountered several excellent vegie burgers. I researched veganism and it isn't as viable as vegeterianism in Newfoundland and Canada's northern communities because of the active B12 deficiencies. There are no active b12 fortified vegan products except for a specific yeast prod.
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  14. Yeah, the comments are screwing up for me as well. I've had to repost several times. Argh. I'll try to figure it out. brb.
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  15. I suspect most of the anti side are impressionable youth that haven't read the community guidelines as terms of service. Kids that were indoctrinated and converted into beggars. They apparently don't understand that the spam option on comments are for comments containing commercial advertisements and links to unrelated videos and sites. They think the word "spam" means "unwanted information" and think nobody will get them kicked for abusing that feature.
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  16. 4.2.2.1 concludes with this statement : "Therefore, the proportion of seals that were not killed by the first shot in the study of Butterworth et al. (2007) remains unclear". So the 82% rate is debatable. The Butterworth report also includes the following : "it was not possible to differentiate unequivocally between conscious responses and unconscious reflex activity". So the 16% rate is also debatable.
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  17. Oh so these were continuous, unedited videos devoid of leading information like dramatic music or voice overs/texts telling the viewer what to see ? Perception. People used to think the beheaded were still alive. They also tried to revive people with injuries that resulted in brain death. Why ? Because of the postmortem reflexes.
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  18. Go ahead. You can come back to this later. BTW, when you read IFAW's document you'll notice their lack of information in regards to when the seals they autopsied died and the resulting vague speculations in regards to how long it would take for seals to die from the specific injuries they observed in the seals. You'll also notice that they also only grouped the seals in three categories instead of four, the later being preferable due to the wide variations in the second group.
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  19. You are only claiming that something is happening and there is no hard evidence that these problems are so systemic that these cannot be corrected without a cessation of the commercial hunt. This rigid stance that the hunt must be stopped simply because these are all seal babies or similar emotional appeals will fail because as meat eaters the majority has accepted the death of animals for our consumption. The majority will always demand definite proof of cruelty because it's due process.
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  20. Well, I did mention that they should wait until full molt here. I guess you missed that. But then someone will always come around and say "that's only # days/weeks old". Animals have their own life cycle and in comparison we are quite beyond childhood when we sever our ties to our parents and fend for ourselves. And then there's the fact that the majority of seals are left alone in Canada. That only a small percentage of seals are hunted, in limited areas.
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  21. The possibility of concealment is not proof of concealment. So, you're trying to imply guilt by profiling. Concealment of drugs, a weapon or crime was assumed by default against members of specific races in the past. But society has progressed beyond this prejudicial behavior. Innocent until proven guilty applies to every alleged illegal activity.
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  22. If it were their position, you'd think it would pop up in the media outlets, huh ? Isn't it strange that it doesn't and that the sealers themselves claim the opposite from 1996 ? And isn't it strange that the anti-sealing sites are still claiming the DFO are still blaming seals for the cod problem ?
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  23. It's an estimate in which people misinterpret the word "loss". There's no assumption of death on the part of anyone but the activists. You claimed they were all mortally wounded.
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  24. You know, wouldn't a more obvious question to pose of me be if I had supported the hunt of white coats ? I think it should be pushed further, until full molting. I support the white coat ban and heavier fines. But I will not stand idly by and have American lobby groups obtain political influence with conjecture in my country and Europe. We're fine with the SPCA and their legislative controls. And we've had enough of groups like that of the Coalition Of Fair Lumber Imports.
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  25. You're just focusing on the two week old pups when in reality most of the seals that are hunted are significantly older, regardless of "desirability". Seal pups are no all born at the same time so the hunters can't just focus on two week old pups. BTW, haven't you noticed that the seal hunted at the start of the video was a "beater" ? And where the hell were they ? The commercial areas are quite distant from land so these were probably Inuit.
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  26. 80% is quite the large estimate seeing that the commercial hunt is limited to several specific geographical locations in the Gulf of St. Laurence described in Part IV of the Maritime Mammal Regulations found in the Fisheries Act. And you're assuming that the DFO wouldn't address a significant drop in newborns by limiting the hunt further.
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  27. Oh so you just didn't paint me as a person that enjoys watching seals being clubbed ? You only offer possibilities in my regards that fit your agenda. You vilify as a response when it isn't a response at all.
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  28. "You can put me as a person down all you like....It doesn't offend me. I know what kind of person I am and have nothing to be ashamed of." Don't worry. I'm not offended by your cliches either. I've been on the net for a looooong time. I'm just puzzled as to why you think flinging insults at a person would make them more receptive. "Buy my stuff, you bastard" doesn't sound like good marketing and that's what activists have been presenting in Canada and Europe. And they think it's working ?!
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  29. Only 206,000 harp seals on a population of over 6 million were hunted this year. They are therefore not "killing their biggest ally". Seals eat pretty much whatever comes along, including cod and their food. They're not picky, they prolific and the impact of the hunt of their species is negligible.
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  30. From "Sealing begins in St. Lawrence" by Campbell Clark, published March 29th, 2008 via the Canadian Press Service : "Yesterday, federal fisheries officials waited half a day before issuing observer permits to activists and journalists, handing them out after noon, when the weather made flying in helicopters almost impossible" The regulations is regards to history and intent was amended into the maritime mammal regulations in Feb 2008. (cont)
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  31. You forgot seals also eat what cod eat and they also eat other fish and seafood that we eat. Have you read the DFO information on nuisance seals ? They also get into nets and lobster traps in some places. They may be cute but they can be responsible for some serious damage.
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  32. You're still trying to nitpick your way out of this... You conveniently assume everything's a lie so that the other person does the work. Well, i've read the IFAW report. I've read the CVMA report. I've read the government commission reports. I've read the EFSA reports. I've read the press releases. And you know what, you can call it all hearsay until you're blue in the face. All it takes a one quick Google and your dance is dead.
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  33. You got a notice of my response, didn't you ? If I wanted to play this little game you're accusing me of, I would have responded in a manner where you wouldn't have received a notice. That's easy to do.
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  34. "You should be ashamed as a man who condones it." I'd consider this a knee jerk accusation. "If you took anything I have said that way then perhaps its the morality of all this that that may be struggling within you that caused you to take it as such." LOL! Classic psychobabble ! My turn ! You are actually lying about being impervious to "put downs" because you do it yourself as a defensive measure ? Or is it your way to attempt to control the conversation ? Or perhaps it's both ? FUN !
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  35. They managed to get footage to convince you, so what's the problem ?
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  36. Orange juice has hardly any acidity and I seriously doubt the resulting ocular damage would surpass that of direct exposure to butyric acid. And then there are the fumes... Maritime law stipulates that ships can only be boarded with permission from the captain (or a representative of the captain) or in respect to a warrant by an internationally recognized law enforcement authority. They could have sent the Royal Australian Navy or one of their national volunteer coast guard/patrol ships. Hmm.
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  37. Guess who's back under ISealHuntInfoCanadaI ? What gave him away ? On April 30th he had previously posted a video containing the very same description as one of his current videos, word per word. I noticed it a few minutes ago.
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  38. This video is not the virgin mary of videos. These so called facts are debatable and one doesn't need to be a sealer to do it. It didn't stop IFAW, did it ? If you think I will be easily swayed by an edited video of people providing opinions, in a manner that disregards all that i've read from both sides, then you're living in a fantasy land where law is superseded by emotional conjecture.
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  39. It's been the same routine for years. The stats are posted but they are never acknowledged by the protesters, most of which dismiss them with more pictures of white coats. They act like it these stats couldn't possibly be right simply because seals are cute and they think they're seeing cruelty in videos that could have been filmed anywhere at anytime.
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  40. (cont) The Feb 2008 amendments that resulted in the cries of censorship were in regards to people that DO NOT hold observer's licenses. They are now limited to one half a nautical miles away from sealing activity by subsection 33.(1) and subsection 33.(2). IFAW flew in early without a license and they weren't charged with anything. Why ? Because IFAW respects the conditions, as does Greenpeace and other members of the media.
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  41. Well, it's not supposed to be romantic. It's a job for these people. They aren't getting rich off of it but they need the income during the off season. They're mostly fishermen but no, they aren't so numerous as to justify a boycott of Canadian seafood. I don't get why guys wear fur. It's tacky. It makes them look like pimps or 70's porn stars. But i've got leather goods. Not that much though.
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  42. Yay - Another obtuse fairy tale ! How incredibly dense could a slaughterhouse employee be to accept claims from the anti-sealing activists after being subjected to PETA propaganda for so long ? Some PETA members will always imagine cruelty in slaughterhouses just like the seal activists with always see things in sealing videos by default. You're trying to appeal to me in an manner that isn't objective in order for me to subscribe to bias. No thank you.
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  43. But should we assume that a significantly large percentage of strikes have been compromised ? These is no evidence substantiating this and activists have never reached a consensus in regards to what the solution should be. Hunters are not limited to one blow or one shot. They can correct the accuracy of the strike but it appears that some activists don't want rifles to be used and/or repetitive blows. Not because of science but because of misconceptions in regards to postmortem reflexes.
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  44. This report simply reflects the inability of the activist sponsored studies to establish significant probabilities. They used limited amounts of subjects and observations and had of course been required to concede that it may not be representative. You obviously frequented sites that established unrealistic expectations in regards to these reports - Where claims that these were definite proof were overstated to exaggerate the activist's progress.
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  45. Speaking of logging in western Canada, another unelected American special interest group hurt that industry by imposing an illegal levy for years. It cost that industry 5.3 billion, even though the levies were deemed illegal, over and over in the international tribunals, including the WTO. We only managed to get 4 billion back because we were threatened with more appeals. And now these Americans are threatening the Pacific fishery because of a bunch of sealers on the opposite side of Canada.
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  46. Oh yes, I forgot. I thought i'd give you some details about myself, seeing that you asked so nicely... Well, my profile, that you quite obvious read and got frustrated with because it didn't give you ammunition, is pretty much it other that I think I forgot to add my interest in Copyright law, international trade, human rights, and ANIMAL CRUELTY. Yes, I am against animal cruelty but I don't bend over forwards to prove it. A dotted I and crossed T is more efficient.
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  47. I guess we should be banning the distribution of Helter Skelter by the Beatles because some hick decided to use that for an excuse for his behavior too. I don't see any agreement inbetween PETA and your KFC, like KFC Canada had signed a few months back. But feel free to take the word of one of you animal abusing criminals...
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  48. It's a commercial hunt operated by sealers who are also fishermen outside of the seal hunting season.
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  49. BTW, i've taken pretty good footage at more than 50 meters away with the hand held 20x Optical Zoom video camera I use for my vids here on Youtube. With their resources they could easily afford HD cameras with higher optical zooming capabilities. 50 meters is nothing.
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  50. So we should just be subscribing to anything that someone claims is valid, out of desperation for data ?
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  51. More manipulative language addressed by a previous comment. You have been brainwashed into limiting your logic to the propaganda they've given to you. You are vilifying people with stereotypes as an argument and you've clearly failed in my case so it's time for you to move on.
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  52. I thought this comment would link back but it doesn't. :( I just noticed another one of my comments is missing. I posted it an hour ago.
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  53. How did you come to an estimate of "thousands" ? That's a 14% rate on an unknown amount of seals that suffered a blow to the face or non-symmetrical blow to the cranium, from a hakapik. To estimate the amount of seals this could be applied to you'd need to reduce the amount of seals hunted by those shot, which is a large amount. Then you'd need to reduce it further by the number of seals that have had numerous blows because this rate is on seals that suffered single blows.
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  54. XB70Playboy confirmed that the vast majority of the seals that are hunted are 1 to 3 months old. They swim a 4 weeks.
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  55. I know this video said that but in reality it's hype. Observers licenses have been required for years and the licensees are allowed to film whatever they like, provided they don't interfere with the hunt and stay 50 meters away from the hunters. IFAW actually flew in a day prior to receiving their license and they weren't stopped. I also quoted a Globe and Mail article in the comments of this video confirming licenses were issued. (cont)
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  56. "Vilify me. Go ahead. I dare you. You don't have an edge to catch." Nice posturing ! LOL ! You mean all of those edges that I caught don't count now ? Like the fact that most of your accusations in my regards were knee jerk assumptions that made no logical sense and were actually defensive. Like how you don't know where to get stats on the DFO site and think white coats were part of the commercial hunt until 1996. I've seen this all before newbie. I've been here since 2006. Next...
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  57. Yeah, he did it all over the place and now his second account has been suspended. I think the thumbs up thing should go. I don't see the point of thumbing something up only to have some coward with numerous accounts thumb it down, over and over again.
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  58. I didn't miss it. Posturing is just not relevant to the subject.
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  59. Lorraine, these boycotts failed in 2006 because they don't make sense. Red Lobster doesn't import seafood from Newfoundland - It's on their site. Claiming otherwise is counterproductive. Seafood originating from outside of Newfoundland has nothing to do with the seal hunt so a Canadian seafood boycott is like boycotting Disney over Bush in Iraq ! The most efficient boycott is directed at the offender, which isn't Canadian seafood. The states has already banned seal so you've got no target.
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  60. XB70 in his confused state claimed "By "vast majority" the study indicates approx 95%. SO, in the video Jeslain WAS right. YOU were wrong." You had previously claimed that Jeslain stated that 14-15 DAY old seals were the majority. You then proceeded to say : "Says here the vast majority of seals are killed between the ages of 1 to 3 months of age during the slaughter" Are you trying to say that seals aged 1 to 3 months are the same as 14/15 day old pups ? At 4 weeks they swim and hunt !
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  61. (cont) Canada is a progressive country with strict rules in regards to animal cruelty yet here you are comparing us to China. Are you surprised that I mentioned China ? How about if I mentioned Korea ? I'm not quite the easily dismissed goon you've got pictured in your head. I've read the documents in regards to the seal hunt. The evidence in regards to cruelty in the seal hunt is insufficient, regardless of the manipulative conjecture and guilt peddling tactics.
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  62. the Coalition for Fair Lumber Imports is a American lobby group that convinced your government to add illegal levies and tariffs to lumber imports from Canada on this vague idea that it was subsidized. These 5 billion in levies/tariffs were deemed illegal over and over again for years in the international courts yet when the final curtain came they still threaten litigation to reduce the settlement, reducing it to 80%. You can imagine how angry people got when the HSUS's boycott came along...
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  63. (cont) You will need to understand that people eat meat, wear fur/leather and use animal fat. You are so sanctimonious that you will never recognize that people who do this can also oppose cruelty in the processes used to obtain this material. You are peddling guilt where there is none. I have never hunted seal, nor did I kill a puppy. Furthermore I have never eaten veal, nor did I eat spring lamb, nor do I shred male baby chicks alive (like they do in the states). (cont)
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  64. There's a significant problem is the allocation of resources though. Animals that are deemed cute like seals supersede animals that are actually endangered but less attractive. Paul Watson himself spoke of this issue, about seals being an easy sell, in a 1978 CBC radio interview with Barbara Frum. It's actually here on Youtube (search for frum watson 1978).
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  65. Well, it's all been on here since I joined in 2006 so most people have seen these videos, heard the claims and read the documents. They aren't complacent. They aren't for cruelty. They just don't accept conjecture, especially when people get rude and try to guilt them into accepting everything as fact.
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  66. Yup. But it gets iffy from time to time... :-/
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  67. Polarized positions like Democrat or Republican may be the norm in the states but it is quite different in Canada and Europe, where people look deeper into the subject, beyond the two options the activists are limiting the debate to. Hostile manipulations like guilt peddling turn people off. It's as pointless as calling people Nerf herders, especially Canadians because they will likely see how much they spent investigating the problems that they'd demand correction, not abolition.
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  68. Posting URLs here is a bitch. It's on the DFO web site. Look around. You can also view some stats quoted from the DFO on the CBC, CTV and Radio Canada sites, the later being in french. And read the Maritime Mammals Regulations while you're at it. The observers conditions are right there for everyone to read.
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  69. You say one thing, that Paul help keep foreign overfishing at bay, and they claim the opposite, that the sealers are responsible for the overfishing. Paul isn't God. He couldn't have keep all of the foreign fishery away. Everybody knows that overfishing continued after the Canadian fishery was shut down, by foreign fishermen. That is why Greenpeace is protesting the North Sea fishery. The seals aren't being blamed for the cod problem, they're just being hunted as a resource.
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  70. "If you want to hurl insults like "newbie", You have changed the discussion to a battle of wit." This isn't about wit, it's about fact. Where is the damning evidence and why haven't independent observers collaborated it back in 2001. Why would the sealers have changed their routine in 1998, 1999, 2000 ? There was no evidence that they cared about being observed.
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  71. That's why they're considered "neonatal" by some ! Man Alive !
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  72. So, how is the EU Ambassador profiting from it, having claimed he and his government isn't against the Canadian hunt on the CTV news network ? How are the Canadians who voted for a "responsible hunt" in February 2005 profiting from this hunt ? Do you actually think 60% of Canadians have ties to this industry ? Oh yeah. I forgot. You called me a fisherman. LOL ! Hey, have you joined the Facebook group against the seal hunt in Alberta yet ?
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  73. The last dying breaths of a cut & paste spammer that harasses people via their channel comments with crass comments about bestiality. This is the behavior of people who allegedly want to protect seals and claim superior ethics. They lie, they tell people to slander others, they belittle poor people, they ask people to boycott unrelated products, they mislead by editing media reports, they post and say racist and bigoted statements, they abuse the flagging system. Search for "seal hunt" & see
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  74. Oxford University safety data for butyric acid : "Harmful if swallowed or inhaled. Corrosive. Extremely unpleasant smell may cause nausea. Liquid may burn skin and eyes. Readily absorbed through the skin. Severe skin, eye and respiratory irritant." Sound quite harmless, doesn't it. I've quoted other chemical data sheets on other videos as well, and this is one of the least graphic one.
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  75. It isn't. It isn't a recreational activity, it isn't being promoted to tourists and the DFO didn't issue new licenses in 2008.
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  76. Who in the hell told you that filming was restricted as a condition of the license !? That's the whole point of an observer's license ! They can't interfere with the hunt and they need to stay 50 feet away from the hunters and their activity. Does that sound unbelievably unreasonable to you for an observer ? Protesters and instigators like Sea Shepherd have no business being on a cold ice flow in the middle of nowhere. They're risking their safety and the safety of others.
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  77. (cont) But new regulations in regards to previous violations of these conditions were amended into the Maritime Marine regulations this year so people that can't be trusted to keep the peace and simply observe will not be issued licenses for a set amount of time (five years from a conviction).
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  78. Quite interesting that the European Food Safety Authority found no credible evidence of widespread cruelty in Canada - Google "EFSA-Q-2007-118". But then the experts hired for IFAW's March 2001 report also failed to establish cruelty from three years of footage. The other claims were also dismissed by several other independent parties, including the Canadian Veterinary Medical Association.
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  79. Yeah. It happen to be published online on a slow day so I read it several times. I've been interested in the subject since 2006. This document does acknowledge problems in the hunt. Just like any industry, there are problems. But after having read the documentation, I'd say a ban is overkill. Especially when they could easily ban the hunting of any seal with any white coat left on it.
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  80. 1 week ? The minimum age of the seals hunted in Canada is two weeks. By then they have stopped drinking their mother's milk and have begun shedding their white coats. You also apparently haven't noticed that most of the seals shown in the actual hunt have no white fur on them at all. That means they are older than three weeks and are not longer "pups". The majority of seals hunted are well into their adolescence and known as "beaters".
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  81. (cont) Paul Irwin of the HSUS gets over $300,000 per year, not including many expenses. John Hoyt of the HSUS gets $200,000 per year, not including various expenses. That's half a million and they're got plenty of vice presidents that collect their own wages. These organizations also divert funds from their programs to other organizations as donations. Some people also hold positions in numerous charities from which moneys are exchanged. Donations can end up anywhere.
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  82. But don't you recognize the whole approach as counterproductive ? Repeating "you condone cruelty" is dismissive and reduces the conversation to nothing. You're practically asking people to accept everything, question nothing or just leave with that kind of behavior.
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  83. LOL ! And the dance ends in the same predictable fashion - The running home with the ball bit. You have no courtesy to offer. All you've done is take jabs at me personally to distract everyone from the fact that you don't have the very evidence that most people require to subscribe to this cause. Who the hell are you trying to impress ? You're acting like this is a battle of wit when this is actually supposed to be a discussion ! Who the hell are you trying to impress ?
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  84. Your examples are just minor inconveniences that do not threaten your livelihood. Farmers regularly poison rats because they eat their produce/seed and ruin crops. Nuisance seals may be cute to you but you wouldn't want them in your nets or traps if you were a fisherman.
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  85. Oh, a "recent poll" ! MY oh MY ! Those can't be misquoted at all. No way. Like the fact that Canadians support a responsible hunt and Sea Shepherd claims this support as theirs by simply claiming the hunt isn't responsible. "POTENTIALLY contaminated meat & oil" OH NO ! SAVE US PAUL ! PART THE SEAS WITH YOUR MIGHTY GARBAGE SCOW ! RAM THEM ! RAM THEM HARD ! This is getting rather tired and stupid sealhuntifawcanada. Your manipulative language is far beyond blatant now.
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  86. That's what I meant. The most endangered should be the priority, regardless of their appearance. Many organizations are using harp seals and bottlenose dolphins to solicit funds, under the pretense and they are somehow threatened, and then diverting those funds elsewhere. And by elsewhere I mean not even to the threatened species. These people are taking way too large a piece of the pie for administration, giving themselves exhortation wages. (cont)
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  87. In 2001 IFAW experts viewed three years of footage and saw no credible evidence of live skinning. Yet the same footage was viewed by others that could swear on a stack of bibles that they saw live skinning. I've seen these people say it and some of them still claim it on their sites, citing the IFAW report as "proof". Videos can come in from more unregulated jurisdictions like Russia. They can be of illegal hunts. We just don't know and some have been invalidated in the past.
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  88. Sea Shepard whined about it's members being "kidnapped" and "held hostage" in Japan, after they boarded a ship illegally. They also whine about damage to their ropes at St. Pierre & Michelon when they've actually put people at harms way by throwing fume causing acids and products that cause people to slip at ships. They're donation hungry wannabe buccaneers. BTW, The going rate for seal is approx $30 per seal.
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  89. Not all that was deemed "progressive" by certain people survived either. The seal hunt is in no way close to the beaver hat trend and seal fur coats will likely be replaced with some other trend. There is no urgency here. The seal is not threatened.
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  90. PETA would say otherwise. They'd use grainy videos to imply this systematic inhumanity in slaughterhouses. And they would say it's all hidden behind closed doors, which sounds somewhat familiar, doesn't it.
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  91. Well, you have edited quotes before to make them say something they didn't and I suspect everything after [this means] is yet another misquote. After all "there was another study" sounds quite vague for an official document. That said, seals do eat some of the Cod's predators but there is so little cod now that that part of their diet is pretty much gone and can't sustain a large seal population. The seals are now eating lots of everything else, to their detriment. The hunt wont end.
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  92. BTW people, sealhuntifawcanada has had his account suspended today and has created this new account to repost his videos and to continue spamming. You'll also notice that my comment was down thumbed by 4 users while his was up thumbed by 4 users, as of 7:30am Eastern.
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  93. These terms and classifications were not invented by the DFO you know. I bet you think they got the name "beater" because they're hunted. It's because of their vigorous swimming !
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  94. You don't appear to understand that the fishing industry in Canada is not by default involved in the sealing industry, so there is no contradiction here. Get a map and look for yourself. Most of our fisheries are isolated geographically from the hunt. the pacific fishery on the other side of the continent and most of the Atlantic fishery would need to travel hundreds to thousands of miles to ice flows in the middle of nowhere. Sounds appealing !
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  95. Notice that they used the term "images" instead of "footage" or "raw footage". And does it sound like they were provided with a significant amount of it ?
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  96. Seals are processed for their meat, fat and fur. The resulting products are distributed domestically and exported. Sealer don't do this alone.
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  97. Squid is served in sushi. I'm somewhat curious to try it but I'm not a big fan of fish. Hmm. Isn't it strange that I'm allegedly a "fisherman" yet I'm not a big fan of fish ? I'm guessing that I wouldn't be too much of a fan of seal meat but I'm not about to rip it out of someone's hands when they eat it. Unlike the harp seal, some sharks are actually threatened. But they aren't as palatable for the media as white coats.
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  98. If ice flow conditions worsen the DFO will likely respond with a significantly reduced TAC, if not a suspension of commercial hunting until recovery is established. Most of the activists don't know much about our media and think the DFO would be able to conceal something. Some even think that the cod thing was all covered up. It wasn't. they had been complaining to Europe for quite some time about overfishing.
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  99. "...the ONLY people who don't find anything wrong with this are the ones making money off it..." Who exactly funded and edited the reports against the hunt ? Well, in the case of IFAW's 2001 report it's IFAW. They funded, organized, edited and published it. It's in the credits. And it was used to solicit donations ! Now, did the EFSA and CVMA reports get funded by the Canadian government, sealing industry or any of their representatives ? No. Did they solicit donations with the reports ? No.
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  100. This makes sense though. When observed subject tend to act differently. We can't assume anything. BUT autopsies showing blood that had been inhaled in the lungs is definite proof that the seal was not properly incapacitated. Random inspections of the processing plants would offer a better sample rate. Long range visual equipment would also also result in more reliable footage.
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  101. Predictable. You again refuse to read the available information due to prejudice, the very information you just demanded from me. You were convinced by the protesters to disregard everything official under this vague notion that it's all polluted. I for one read the opponents information without preconceived notions and have unfortunately encountered this demand for obedience to the cause upon asking the simplest of questions. This fear isn't sane ! What is this fear about ?
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  102. LOL ! You've been claiming the DFO said seals ruined cod stocks for weeks !
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  103. Guilt peddling. So, how do you think it's going so far ? You dollar's down, our is up and our exports haven't been affected by this pathetic boycott of yours. Unless you want to take credit from your own country's economical woes. I guess you just don't get it. I'll make it easy for you to understand. You're blowing hot air and your too delusional to see it. It's stupid and anyone with a map knows it.
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  104. Yeah. It hurt Americans as well. The lumber prices were artificially elevated by it all resulting in more expensive lumber for homes, businesses. It was disgusting and the HSUS couldn't have picked the worse time for their shenanigans, having come in with their fraud of a Canadian seafood boycott on it's wake.
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  105. Seals are not being hunted because of the cod situation and that's been the DFO's stance for years. I actually remember reading a press release from the DFO saying that seal would not likely hurt the recovery of cod, in 2004 ! Why are the protesters still claiming the DFO are blaming seals for it ?
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  106. (cont) Paragraph 32(2)(d) now reads "whether the applicant has a stated aim of disrupting the seal fishery or has been convicted, in the five years preceding the application for the licence, of tagging, marking or moving a live seal, of approaching within one-half nautical mile of a person who is fishing for seals or of violating a condition of a seal fishery observation licence" (cont)
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  107. Lorraine, until you have lived in Newfoundland you cannot attempt to impose your ethics on these people. You cannot assume they can viably adopt your lifestyle. I have chosen not to eat veal and spring lamb but I cannot condemn people who eat it because I believe it is their choice to make and they are free to make those choices. Nor do I believe a personal choice should result in sanctimonious posturing.
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  108. Yet more oversimplified generalizations and manipulative question. In the courts this would be called a leading question. You desperately crave a specific response that you can easily dismiss - So much so that you try to answer it yourself : "when you advocate the slaughter of a 3 week old seal, so too you advocate the slaughter of a 1 week old puppy" (cont)
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  109. Cease fire ? I don't consider this a war or battle, at all. Just look at your response to my comments. Who took the first jab by implying an ulterior motive. You did. You failed at "fisherman" and instead of letting it go you implied I was somehow employed by them, and then related to one of these people. This stuff is what newbies do ! Seriously, would it have mattered that much if I were related to a sealer or happen to be a fisherman ? So few fisherman are sealers that it isn't relevant.
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  110. Well, this EFSA document is the very document that reviews all of the pertinent documents provided by both sides, for the EU government in regards to the ban. It can't just be dismissed on a whim like you're doing. If it the very cornerstone of the EU ban debate, along with the March 2001 Veterinary Report from IFAW, the 1987 Malouf Commission report and 2002 CVMA report, that i've read as well. It's your choice to refuse to read these but it's to your detriment only.
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  111. Nice try but you argued with several people over the issue of overfishing by foreigners. You blamed the cod situation entirely on DFO mismanagement in previous cut & paste spams. Don't change your tune now and claim it's the song you're been playing all along.
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  112. These protest groups are acting like observer's licenses are new and are not being issued. They were introduced years back and some of the more militant protest groups, those that are not there to simply film and observe, just didn't get one this year. They didn't respect the conditions of the license and filmed themselves violating these conditions. Their whining about censorship is invalidated by uncensored footage of this year's hunt. Hype.
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  113. Have you ? Because at 4:50 he says "14 to 15 days". You're apparently hearing only what you want to hear, even when it's not there. Oh, let me guess - You think he said he hunts 12 day old seals right after...
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  114. From 2 to 4 weeks harp seals live off the fat they got from their mothers, who have already weened them. By 4 weeks they hunt on their own and have shed their white coats entirely.
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