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Not completely fair, the Madras presidency, Mysore state and to a lesser degree Hyderabad/Travancore inherited large industries that the center invested into, something that did not happen to the same degree in the North. Just count the number of expansions Chennai and Mumbai ports got compared to Kolkata, Mangalore or even Cochin. The historical ports of KA, KL, GJ, AP and OR completely emptied due to the collapse of Myanmar and Freight equalisation. Even today you see concentrations of the coastal communities towards the three major ports Chennai hosting people from KA, KL and AP; Mumbai from KA, MH and GJ and Kolkata OR, BH, and AS.
If we were independent in the 1910's, People from the Bengal presidency would be complaining about us the same way. South India got surplus budget allocation starting from the recession of 1825 all the way till 1940's when the WW2 famines made parts of Oudh and BP(current state of BH) governance deficit
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(I am saddened that I need to spell this out in English so that people can understand, such is the state of empty liberalism in this country)
The minister's statement has conflated issues:
1. The idea that Karva chauth is preventing scientific enlightenment: there is no causal link, Karva chauth does not prevent anyone from attending schools, reading or education in general. It's not a daily ritual that consumes time either. I am happy to hear how Chinese and American women gained an edge over Indian women due to this practice.
2. Karva chauth is a ritual hence unscientific: science and culture are separate domains. Science informs you on facts of the universe using deductive logic and culture informs you on how to deal with life using inductive logic. There is no need for any ritual to be scientific. If you disagree, show me how music, poetry and dance is scientific. I will wait. In fact art of any nature is obstructing science, a majority of humans choose to spend time creating and consuming art, poets should have been writing scientific papers instead of useless poems. How many here bunked a class to watch movies?
Ritual belongs to the domain of culture. It is not restricted to religion. There are several secular rituals. Tell me how a birthday, new year celebration, independence day, Pi day(3/14) or even World science day is scientific. Even animals in the wild have been observed with rituals(wolf howls, cock-a-doodle-doo, pre mating). This is not genetic but predisposition to form rituals is. That is why there is no universal culture.
3. Karva chauth is mysoginist: i am conflicted on this personally. A part of me says this ritual has lapsed in its purpose as every festival is linked to cycles in agriculture(India is urbanizing), war(we don't do that at the same scale and frequency) or forming social relations(Karva chauth is for women in close knit societies bonding). Our life has changed and thank goodness we are not Muslims, we change with times(tell me the last time you worshipped Indra, Vamana avatars or Bhrahma.). Other side of me says it's not oppression. It's an ritual of nominal sacrifice, where a woman does so for a belief. I have not heard of thousands of women being beaten up or forcibly starved for the ritual, feel free to correct me. So why interfere with a ritual which people partake in mostly voluntarily? It's how people see it fit within their personal confines of culture.
Before you come at me, I am an agnostic atheist myself. Been associated with early days of atheist republic and even wrote articles for them. I have not rediscovered god or religion but am aware of Hindu/Indic lexicon and philosophy to the degree i can differentiate a valid critique from hyperbole like this statement or sarcasm. I retain my agnostic stand. There probably isn't a god or reincarnation.
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Typical poisoned reportage. The title of the news is ecological and conservation success across India.
1. The good news lasts 30 seconds. No details on the number of parks, role of top predators in environment, measures taken to decrease poaching, breadth of the program or learning from the success. Read the final paragraph of the description. Cumulatively, "downsides of conservation" is a better title because the program isn't central to the reportage, it's downsides.
2. 0:30 inserted a local death to start the negative coverage. This isn't true about all the tiger parks, bigger or denser the forest, the harder it gets to zone. So they went to an affected area to report a positive story.
3. 2:23 look at the tetrapacks strewn around, the chain on the tiger. This is supposed to be worship? It's clearly a government mural keeping with the tribal tradition of celebrating their history. If Rome was Hindu, they would show Capitoline wolf murals and the sculpture to say the Roman pagans thought babies must be kept under wolves to get fed. Just like the Romans used the supranatural story to believe in the exclusivity of their city, the tribals are celebrating a historical story with their murals.
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This conversation is an embodiment of why data has no meaning without qualitative analysis. He is wrong on several counts(Oh and I am a Kannadiga not from the north):
1. India has chosen states to become "earners". Example: MH's high GSDP is due to the financial center Mumbai. If FDI flows in today, it comes in through the state even if the resulting factory is in Gurugram, Coimbatore, Pune, Bengaluru or Noida. The concentration of Banking/Financial institutions is the reason. Just like that, PB and HR were chosen for the green revolution.
2. Coming to the south, TN was chosen for industrialization via Freight equalization policy. The entire belt between East to Central India lost its industries because of this. That is why TN which has not been the source of ores has the industry, but JH, BR, MP, CH, OR, AP, KR and even MH have the mines but the value add production is concentrated at TN. Another example is Coimbatore's mills are run predominantly by people groups from AP while India's cotton fields are predominantly between AP to GJ.
3. The nativist/regionalist/separatist sections of these selected states like PB, TN, MH have a spurious assumption that their inherent geographical advantages that caused their selection exists everywhere but the other states fail because of their "politics" or "education" or even "ideology"
(Additional points in replies else YT will delete this comment)
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Ā dark-footageĀ PoK also has its own space program, 50+ skyscrapers, 300 universities, 25k hospitals, 85 nuclear reactors, unicorn breeding farms, 80 lane highways, free healthcare, oil reserves, ocean facing properties, quantum computers, semiconductor fab, and rive Olympic villages. J&K are regretting the decision to stay with Endia. š„²
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This guy deserves a chapter in our future text books as the prime example of correlation does not equal causation.
1. His answer should have been, MH earns most of its GST in the city of Mumbai. As the financial capital, it recieves the foreign direct investment even if the economic activities happen in other states. They are one time or statutory transactions. KA/TN/HR on the other hand see this money first hand. MH was always going to see a smaller share of tax devolution, commensurate to the amount of economic activity in the state.
2. Instead he brings the cuckoo narrative around the axiom of population change. Correct me if I am wrong, but no state in the Hindi belt has a baby boomer policy around linguistic majoritarianism. South Indian TFRs dropped due to chunks of its population involved in manufacturing/ trade and relative local inflation due to economic mobility.
3. He straight up lies on population criterion being 75%, when the 14th and 15th finance commission caps it at 17.5 and 15% resp in written policy.
4. As a native of the state, Karnataka politics never revolved around the central allocation. 1.3% voted to spite the BJP, not for freebies. If anything the "son of the soil" JD(S) took the largest hit. This is simply infusing the kind of freebie politics that DMK has on to Karnataka.
5. I wonder why he focuses on BIMARU when there is another correlation that has worse cumulative ratio. Border hill states, J/K and NE India. If Bihar gets 900 for the 100 rupee it earns, all of the hill border hill states(Except HP) recieve north of(pun intended) 1000 with Arunachal at 4000. I may have a working theory on why these former set of states are in focus, it could be the percived political nature of the language spoken in Belt.
6. We could have had a far more interesting conversation if we discard propogandists like him because I bet he will walk away once his political objectives are met. Regarless of the state we need to spend more on capex instead of welfare policies so that states get to leverage their relative advantages to catch the fish instead of being fed.
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Ā @Ahmad-mf7yuĀ some clarifications are in order:
1. My contention isn't primarily against Kashmir or Kashmiris, it is against the national narrative of the benefits of social spending. I hold similar views on my neighbouring states KL and TN, my own states insane policy of free bus rides for women, AAP's free electricity, BJP and Congress freebies and UP's free cycles/laptops. In a democracy, this is how conversation happens with states/identities becoming markers for policy/direction. Gujarat model/Kerala model, "South feeds, North breeds", Hillbilly middle America, Southern Italian Mafiosi politics, Finlandisation, Chinese Debt diplomacy, EU's Eurocentricism, Argentinian financial mismanagement, need any more examples?
2. Does the 10% expenditure include the defence budget? I am open to being corrected but I have not received a qualitative or quantitative argument. A defence expenditure barring infrastructure is state/region agnostic. There is no special division or equipment that is specific to the state or has a separate defence budgetary allocation. Therefore the expenditure is under the central list, it won't count in state allocation. If the army did build bunkers primarily with that money and let's charitably say that it took up 75%, it still means Kashmir got 2.5% of the budget for 1% population. (Btw, the last set of assumptions are overstated because check the erstwhile JKVAT/ today's GST collection and compare the special allocation history.).
3. Even assuming the charitable 2.5% spent on the 1% premise, look around and visualise the intensity of economic activity in the state. How many profitable industries are present, what is the turnover of the median business or even outliers, did you see the hustle of a Mumbai/Bengaluru/Chennai or even the Kerala style mega gold trade/private individual land deals(Crore plus deals in the 90's). The answer is no.
4. Much like the rest of India, the average state citizen overestimates the economic volume of the state. This is true for the "earning states" too. Kashmiri politicians much like the regional satrapy of the rest of India spent the money pulling people out of poverty and designed policies to have shadow businesses and offshore accounts. No state in India is swimming in money, but some get more than others and Kashmir has historically ranked very high on an absolute and per capita basis. Easy money has always led to progressive politics. Even Sikkim was the same, they currently have a demographic problem due to high rates of female empowerment.
5. I want financial infusion into Kashmir and other border states, but my only issue is the principle of reciprocation, will those states give back to South and West Indian states if and when there is a revenue downturn? Are they willing to accept periods of financial self reliance? I fear not in the case of Kashmir and certain NE states, their politics seem to operate in a premise of a conditional union with India for financial gain. If there is a change like we saw with Assam and Sikkim, there was no need for this wall of text.
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AAP is a "governance revolution" stable states can handle. They are good at only one thing, making exisiting institutions eke out more. That is why they focus on corruption and governance models.
Punjab is a cinder with multiple fuses. An agrarian crisis due to an extended "green revolution", a society that resents industrialisation and manufacturing jobs, over educated youth with international ambitions that an unformed industrial base cannot handle, a looming water, climate and health crisis and the cherry on the top, a religious separatist faction exacerbated and funded by a lunatic neighbour.
You can't solve all issues with HDI, aka education, healthcare and tertiary sector jobs. There is a 18 year lag to the full effect of your policies(child getting education-job). In the best case, a 2 year lag to apply policy on the ground. A lot can go wrong in the duration.
A state with uncertain social dynamics is always run by conciliatory mechanisms which is selective corruption/concessions to be on the side of the state. BJP's tenure in JK with PDP prepared the ground for removal of 370. Congress has a storied history of it across the country. You make temporary concessions to identify key actors/motivations and wait for the right moment to disarm and even destroy a anti state sentiments. But in the duration, you have to pay a hafta(corruption), extrajudicial privileges(security cordon) and community/region specific laws.
Voting AAP into Punjab was a huge mistake. They have zero experience of it and zero leadership who can guide them through the process. This state needed gentle hands, now it has metal gloves cutting reconciliatory mechanisms calling it corruption.
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(I see 9 comments but can only see your replies. YT censorship at its best.)
On your point, that men should do it in private is equally wrong. Though I am on Matt's side on most of his videos, this is a hot take with no backing in academia or history. As someone from a different culture and religion, these are my views:
1. Stoic appearance from men is a near universal expectation but most cultures have more space for men to express emotions. There is a massive cost, socially expected and imposed stoicism has on individuals. Ask any psychologist even non wokes like JP.
2. This is at its worst in my experience in three subcultures, Anglophone, German and Scandinavian urban/industrial/military classes. Curiously, there is space for expressing emotions even in the rural cultures for these countries. A minor example of this is folk music vs pop music. English folkmen can write songs like "Scarborough fair", or an American country musician can get teary eyed on stage dedicating a song to his baby daughter.
3. Have you seen Spanish, Italian, Arab, Japanese or Indian transgenders in their own countries do the same shit they get up to in EU or America? As an Indian let me tell you, the only time Indian wokes do this in India is if they are influenced by English medium resources. I've had people from other countries tell me the same. It's a hypothesis I welcome you to verify.
4. Im not saying transgenderism will disappear if men cried more. What I am saying is modernity and industrial/urban society is toxic, threats are more mental than physical and there is no space for classes of individuals to express themselves beyond being angry/depressed. This has created the social/political space for ideologies like transgenderism. These people are not suffering from scientifically proven disorders like intersex.
5. Fighting for the space for men to be emotional in public or private is not wrong. It's natural, found across cultures and leads to a healthier society. Don't cede the space to loonies by taking a contrarian stand for the sake of it.
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Unless AAP re-orients to a pro business governence model(as opposed to social democrat model), Punjab nightmare starts. I am not too optimistic.
Here are the challenges:
1. Declining farm yields: a primarily agricultural society with very little scope for industrialisation. Unsustainable agricultural practices will continue till there is desertification. AAP has made a Faustian bargain with the agricultural elites and social movements.
2. Borrowed voter base: AAP is not going to fundamentally change the nature of Punjab politics with its "anti corruption" agenda. If anything this is where their model breaks and they will have to pander to the borrowed voter bases. They have little to none when it comes to organic leaders. Don't be surprised if there are multiple CMs, Party hopping and horse trading in the next 5 years.
3. Brand of politics and death of ideology: I think AAP won the wrong state and won it too soon. For the sake of AAP, i had hoped it had been a (with all due respect) low profile state like HP. Goa or a UT. Punjabi politics is a minefield with religious tensions(Sikh vs Christian is coming up for which SAD will be blamed like BJP is for Hindu-Muslim tensions), unstable overexposed border with Pakistan and a declining society(talent flight, declining wealth and social strife). At best, AAP is the Neo Congress. At worst, it will shatter the image and goodwill it built up from within(if so, get ready for Samajwadi AAP, AAP(A), AAP(S), Khaas Aadmi Party.)
4. Industrialize or else: an absolute impossibility under the conditions and platform AAP has won, the obsession AAP has with Nordic social democracy is going to be detrimental. When you give middle class kids education, they want white collar jobs. Enterpreneurship for students(very important qualifier) works only when there is an existing industrial base ie you should have a slowing govt fuelled behemoth like IBM for a Steve jobs and Bill gates to poach talent and make their own companies. Their policies are suited to developed economies than developing ones. Increasing expectations of masses will lead to further talent flight.
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I sincerely hope i am wrong, but the indicators are not looking good. Visit this comment in 5-10 years to mock me if I go wrong but I don't think that will be the case.
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Yes. The narrative is mostly BS.
1. People forget Hindutva had a presence in Karnataka even before independence. North Karnataka had presence of RSS in the 20's, Jayachamarajendra Wodeyar of Mysore Kingdom (of IISc, HAL, Co funding BHU, First electrification project in India fame) was a founder member of VHP and its first president. Even the BJP won 18 seats in Karnataka in 1983 before the Lingayats made it their base party.
2. There is a huge rise in social consciousness of Hindutva particularly after the Tippu Jayanti fiasco. While money definitely played a part in "Operation Lotus", a majority of the people who jumped ship from Congress and JD(S) to BJP were pro Hindu section of Congress who belonged to the Lingayats, middle and lower castes.
3. The movement has consolidated support to the point, that the JD(S), a caste party has a massive chunk of its youth supporting the BJP. The elders vote JD(S) and the young vary between "JDs for the district, BJP for the center" to a complete switch over.
4. Most of the political switch is largely due to the insistence of Congress to be pro minorities. Socially, Karnataka is Hindutva heartland. That is why you see the likes of Vikram Sampath, Amit Malviya and Nalin Kumar Kateel.
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Ā @connormcgee4711Ā this is going to be very complicated to convey as much of it is my own enquiry with traditional scholars. Idioms don't travel well between cultures.
Caste is basically a form of feudal allocation of duties. So treat it in the domain of metaphysics, religion and social theory, not science. I am describing a system that has collapsed at least since the Muslim conquest and most certainly after British colonialism.
Orthogonal matrix here implies counting all the intersectional karmas one is born into. While the western and modern Indian scholarship has treated caste as a clean cut hierarchy of four divisions of labour, it's more of a combination.
Jati is roughly the tribe you are born into. Varna (has been taken to mean color implying skin color while it) means inclination one is born into. It was meant to divide society and allocate them according to the combination. Following it is your dharma, what you are born to fulfill while you retain free agency to reject it. Rejection causes your soul to continue reincarnation and get lost deeper in the material world.
So a simplified combination of jati of birth-varna of birth looks like this:
(Born into jati-has Varna of): (has to pursue a life of)
Brahmin-Brahmin: high philosophy and religious activity
Brahmin-Kshatriya : thought leadership of a kingdom, socio-political praxis, courteurs or even kings.
Brahmin-vaishya: leader of religious collectives, temple trusts, intellectuals for hire
Brahmin-Shudra: religious service of others, temple priests of major sites.
Kshatriya-Brahmin: Military and governance strategy, temple administrators
Kshatriya-kshatriya: kings, generals, soldiers and Warlords
Kshatriya-Vaishya: guild kings and business magnates.
Kshatriya-Shudra: social servants and civil society.
Vaishya- Brahmin: scribes, accountants and intellectual trades.
Vaishya-Kshatriya: Lobbyists, political businesses and kings
Vaishya-vaishya: money lenders and business of businesses.
Vaishya-shudra: specialized businessmen. Smithing pottery and weaving. Work inside.
Shudra-Brahmin: priests of regional temples
Shudra-Kshatriya: Barons, fiefdoms, foot soldiers, irregular army and henchmen.
Shudra-Vaishya: contract labour and specialized services like sculpting, construction and low value metal trade(Iron zinc and copper). Work outside.
Shudra-shudra: menial, seasonal, land labour, "untouchable professions".
3 Cousins in the same family say, a shudra family would end up as a priest at a local temple, a member of irregular army and a washerman. While their professions changed they were still expected to maintain endogamy within their jati or caste of birth.
There have been movement of entire jatis into another profession, the most controversial in modern times being the history of the Kayastha community. They were Vaishya-Brahmins who ended up in courts as the scribe caste. Depending on the side, they are called social climbing vaishyas to derogate them or they self define themselves as Brahmins who became Vaishyas.
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Ā @MohamedRamadan-qi4hlĀ caste is not religious, it's social. Capitalism produces class and feudalism produces caste. Muslims are still subject to social forces like economics and sociology. Not everything is theological. Here are some examples of caste systems in Islamic countries:
1. Al Akhdam community who are subject to untouchability just like feudal India.
2. Ashraf and Ajlaf systems which are based on Arab paternity. Arab regions have a higher rate and higher presence of consanguinity and endogamy outside of India. The reason it does not attract as much attention is due to the historically low population.
3. It's form in the subcontinent which relies both on the islamic nomenclature of Ashrafi-Ajlaf and Indian nomenclature which is particularly seen in the co-option of caste privilege through surnames like Choudary, Rajput, Dar, Bhat, Jat, Tripathi, Chaturvedi, Sharma, Singh, Chadda, Keema.
4. Caste systems independent of Arabia and subcontinent exist also in North and West Africa in the midst of Tuareg, Mandinka, Fula, Moorish, Toucouleur, Wolof, Zarma and many other communities.
5. There is an emergent caste system in the slaving regions of Sahel in Africa. DW even ran a special called "Slave routes" with an entire episode dedicated to the caste system based on skin colour.
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Ā @containedhurricaneĀ the US and EU regions need immigration to offset the demand crisis. Canada and Australia are importing tax payers and consumers, that is why they allow entry for a demography ahed between 18-35. This model relies on perpetual growth as the migrants wouldn't want to stay during a recession. Aside from this fragility, another one it has forced is to move away from its stable politics towards multicultural politics or race, religion, demographics and history.
The Japanese model which refused to follow suit has been in stagflation since the Asian crisis, Korea is next in line. Consumption is important because it provides the revenue streams to support product development, logistics and R&D. Japan has not produced a successor to NTT. No consumption= no scale. It doesn't matter how efficiently you can automate or 3D print when the product has no consumer.
Declining TFR is a humanitarian disaster, the world has always dealt with population collapses in event based models not one with a genetic bottle neck. An analogy is historically it's been a fast growing grass that was randomly cut not a species of grass that grows shorter every generation. Some tech enthusiasts suggest reproductive tech to solve this, but we need a thousand year research cycle to understand it's implication. Again, the problem isn't with implementation of this kind of technology, it's what kind of risk and fragility you introduce.
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Ā @WealthismTeluguĀ ugh. You think everyone looks the same and speaks the same language in East Asia.
Here are some Google searches to help you: Dakkani(no hindi in south India?), Sanskritic grammar of Indian languages, language families in China, four occupations caste system, Burakumin,Korean caste system, Buddhism vs Confucianism in China, sinitic languages, Tibeto Burmese vs Tibeto Sinitic, people groups in china, Mandarin vs Cantonese culture, religion in East Asia.
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āĀ @orkkojitĀ 1. I don't think people today realise how rare meat was, in the post agrarian to pre industrial phases. Most people have universalised the history of North Western Europe which had negligible agriculture. Everyone ate meat but not at the rate we do today. A good rule of thumb is if your hyper local festival has a harvest/communal festival with sacrifice, meat was historically rare.(Eid, Chhat, Ugadi). If your festival has dietary restriction, meat was the norm(Lent).
2. Several misconceptions on chicken, it's likely that Hiuen Tsang was referring to local fowl, not chicken. The cheap and ubiquitous chicken and eggs we eat today are a product of the broiler revolution in the 30's and reached India in the 70's(silver revolution). We did not have organised and centralised poultry only domestication and hunting. Chickens used to weigh less than a kilogram, were bottom feeders eating bamboo shoots and worms. They were worse than pork. There was significant historical stigma attached to the bird because it was used for cock fights.
2. From the traditional history, the Bengali diet was much like its historical origin in the Shakta belt of the subcontinent(MP, MH to Southern Karnataka, Bengal was settled very late in history), vegetarian and for the most part(tribal pescatarianism seeped in as with any riverian/coastal practice), red meat was strictly ritualistic. During the harvest festival, human sacrifice was the initial practice, substituted by buff/venison, later by goats and fowl. Chicken entered very recently during the secularisation of the Pujo.
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Ā @ayushacharya972Ā oh! It ij bhut the greatest place in India. I live ther. We run a Kropotkin themed groshary/rebhtaurant called "Conquest of the bhaat". It's full of hangry peophals who might get chance to eeht iph they teall us how many revolutions they had.
We hab 100% mhud rods. Koncrete on for bankars, ok? We hab radio to leesten to obhar Chieunez Komrades.
We have even Dasz international institute, not 10 but Dasz as in "Dasz international" bhere we teech grasroot skeels. Hard skeels like railbadi, that ij hob to derail train, then be habe tie up bith Columbia, not University the kaantry to teech pedalling. Don't pheel bad iph you pheel kourse is komplitake. Be habe tie uhp bith jadabpur, Kolkata and JNU phor sopt skeels like protest organijing, chakka jaam skeels, Urdu Naarebaaji.
Eu shud kham heer phor libarashan prom Capital. Be habe many pepul who come pram international kaantriej like Myanmar, China, Bangladez and Orissa.
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I hate this simplistic narrative.
1. Vegetarianism is caste agnostic: it has to do with regional traditions. For instance in Karnataka, the Halmadi (translates quite literally to milk-avoidant/restricted and are vegans) and Urs(the royal family of Mysore) are both lower castes. While costal Brahmin communities particularly from Kashmiri heritage like GSB consume meat and fish as they are from Shakta traditions. You can find non vegetarianism in upper castes where ever there is a prominence of Shakta tradition. (Kashmir, Assam, Karnataka, Odisha and even pockets of Kerala).
2. Meat eating is an outside influence: This holds true only for Western India. The dominant Smriti for the traditions in West India is Parashara Smriti not Manusmriti. That is the reason a majority of people groups and castes are vegetarian.
3. Hindutva is pro vegetarianism: Somehow, we are asked to accept there is nuance to the Left(CPI-M and CPI- ML are polar opposites) Liberals(Welfarist and Globalists are opposites) but the same cannot be afforded to right wing. Why?
There is a lot of silent as well as historical conversation on the right wing on vegetarianism. For instance, Savarkar himself advocated for eating meat as a prequisite for Hindus joining the erstwhile British Indian armed forces. There are a lot of Shaktas in the right wing who want revival of the sacrificial ceremonies.
4. Right wing wants complete ban on meat: There is intentional amplification of the pro vegetarian voices, then the same is used to showcase the "hypocricy" "double standards" of people on right wing. One thing that Shaktas also believe in is the abstainence of "secular"(as in nothing to do with religion) meat consumption during festivals(only sacrificial meat is to be consumed if any). So when there is a protest asking for closure of shops and restiction of non vegetarian food during festivals, the ask across the board(vegetarian and non vegetarian Hindus) is to restrict secular display and consumption as has been the social norm for centuries.
5. Hinduism prioritizes vegetarians: the standard archetype of diet is the 3 fold. Tamasic, Rajasic and Satvik. It's pretty clear both from texts as well as practice that on the social level, there is meant to be balance of people following the three diets with the Tamasic for the commoners, Rajasic for the rulers and Satvik for the spiritual. That is why you find what is today called "Non-hindu" traditions/communities of India which have a spiritual inclination to be vegetarian be it Veerashaiva/Lingayats or Jains. While Shaktas are Tamasic because their traditions are hyperlocal common man traditions irrespective of caste, that is why Shakta Brahmins are meat eaters and worshippers of hyperlocalized deities.
The issue of hierarchy starts with the formation of one size fits all versions of Hinduism from within like Arya Samaj and Brahmo samaj which adopt the structure and issues of Protestant Christianity. Do recall that there is a major split within Arya Samaj in 1893 on the same issue. This vegetarianism debate has much to do with reformism than politics.
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Add:
1. Trade networks/FTAs(container ships that run regardless of cargo like China and Japan have with the US, Singapore with SEA and EU's FTZ.
2. Talent in the lower end: we don't have a corpus of experienced and talented electricians to solder, assemble and repair. Taiwan, Korea, Germany, China and Japan have a huge corpus of non engineering talent that has a high degree of application, can manage labour and even hold patents. Try hiring 2500 electricians/woodworkers who can deal with 10 different product lines or even a team of foremen who can manage, analyse and adapt to market needs even in Coimbatore, Bengaluru, Hosur or Chennai(the most industrialised area in our country).
Focusing on R&D is hopeless in our country when we don't have an industrial base to support it and most importantly we lack respect to discern the concept and the product. The inventor will move to the US, where he will find mentors, people willing to burn cash, supply chain analysts and instrumentation engineers who can effectively start a company in a week, source raw material in months from Singapore and set up a working facility in China/Taiwan in three to six months.
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Ā @penacle7Ā 1. not just Tatas, the entire Indian market is engaged in the practice. Unlike the developed Asian markets which allow monopolistic practices(Google Zaibatsu or Chaebol), India has a cap on promoter shares. Indian companies use the offshore route to maintain valuation, just like Western companies use shell companies and offshore accounts for tax avoidance. In fact no country has a handle on these activities including the US or EU which can simply choose to shut down tax havens. Why haven't they?
2. This is an inherited situation no democracy can handle as this practice is continuing from the early 90's. I find it particularly interesting that people who want to get rid of corruption hate on demonitization, because devaluation is the necessary step when cleaning up. Simple example is real estate, the valuation of your site/bungalow/apartment is increased by 40-70% because of corruption and market control. You can't hope to retain the same valuation when the middlemen are no longer impeding transactions and there are accumulators/aggregators who will periodically choose to dump large tracts/properties in a fair market system. If your property is valued today at 1Cr, 40-70L of the valuation is because of the corruption, even more so in commercial areas and city centers.
3. Adani is obviously engaged in boosting valuation, maybe with a lack of sophistication that FAANG companies do with. That is all you can charge him with, that isn't a scam. All of his companies have fundamental value, business model and tangible assets. He will come good in a decade. The guy has a real eye for picking sectors. This is just a minor repeat of anti-Dhirubhai Ambani fervor.
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Ā @indiamusicallyĀ thank you for the civil response.
1. Pakistan has always been in the hole. They have had 25+ financial interventions by the Iranians initially, the US, Chinese and Saudis subsequently (I am only counting countries bailing them out not IMF, ADB and other institutional investors). The recent fall is not due to a maturing bond but the lack of foreign intervention. For that, GOI has had a major role in convincing the Americans, UAE and the Saudis. The recent fall in reserves is due to oil/gas prices not wheat. Happy to stand corrected if I am wrong.
2. The issue isn't an "anti" lobby as you correctly point out there are adversarial interest groups for each country/religion/ethnicity/political factions. What is being pointed at as the lack of conversation, forums or even individuals to represent our side. When divinity schools/Rabbanical forum/Islamic forums/Confucian forum fact check academic assertions from the religious point of view, there isn't a single Hindu/Buddhist/Jain/Sikh equivalent. Name a single ordained priest from Indian religions who is part of academia only because they are trained in the tradition.
2b. From the political aisle, there are Zionists and even the radical Muslim brotherhood has active student bodies operating on American and European campuses with official status. Imagine the cringe and anger an average NRI would experience if someone dare suggest an ABVP chapter on an American campus.
2c. When the "anti" and "pro" clash intellectually, they lead to the Hegellian dialectic that modern academia and media thrives on. I can suggest Dershovitz for the Jewish side, Haqiqatjou/Tzortzis for islamic perspective without losing tenure/track. But a Rajiv Malhotra(despite being a funder) cannot find a platform with Sheldon Pollock. The likes of Wendy Doniger, Audrey Trushke or Romila Thapar are beyond any kind of conversation.
2d. So yes there is a fundamentally anti feature to universities. It lacks the Hegellian dialectic of thesis- antithesis- synthesis. I am in that space and have the capacity to both enjoy and process these conversations that will sadly never happen. I hope you don't confuse the lack of conversation on one side for bigotry by the other side.
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Ā @mudra5114Ā I don't give a rats behind which community you belong to, if you want to contest better bring references or what tradition you have been trained under. Being born a Brahmin is not a guarantee that you know Sanskrit, Indian literature or anything about your traditions. Too many people projecting social structures that isn't there. How will we solve this crippling issue?
1. If the whole stchik is lower castes were prone to diseases, no other rule had the number of pandemics and epidemics than the colonial era. For instance, Monsters at the door by Mike Davis lists the Malthusian fervor that informed the inaction of the British colonial government during the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic. The clearing of forests and swamps in Bengal is documented to have spread malaria across the gangetic plains in 1820's. The Cholera epidemics of 1880'- 1920's. Small pox and leprosy endemics were controlled only in independent India not the British era.
2. The Sanskrit word for white is Syeta not shweta. The only reference in Sanskrit with sveta and an outsider is "sveta Huna" which actually references the banner of the white Huns. Red, Green and Blue Huns never invaded India. Ayurvedic texts use the word avadata/gaura(from which we get the word gora which was used as an identity marker only in the 19th century). No Pathan or Persian was called gora. You just need to know a local language in India to understand how ridiculously inorganic and unmetered "Shweta charma" or "shweta tvacha" sounds. The passages in Sanskrit literature that are transliterated as "he was radiant" have been interpreted to mean "he was white".
3. The Krishna example demonstrates that attraction had nothing to do with skin color. People literally name boys as "Shyam" "Sham" which is a cognate for "Krishna", both meaning black.
4. If you have heard a casteist speak, they will ask "konse jaat se ho" and "varnavyavastha ko rakhne ki zarurat hai". Why are there two words when they don't relate to each other? If casteists use "British invented the caste system" to say there was no discrimination or separation of society, they are patently wrong. If there are people who say British changed the system from an orthogonal identity to ethnographic (which academics of every single inclination except pro colonial do. Includes woke, anti colonial, postmodern, western, developmental and sociological fields). They are right.
5. If the British emanipated the lower castes, care explaining the following laws? Permanent settlement 1793 to create Zamindari system, Martial races designations passed between 1869-1920, Criminal tribes act 1877 which demarcated criminality at birth. Punjab land alienation act 1900 which aimed to hand the land to the "dominant races" to create land owning castes.
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Ā @amitpathak3279Ā Maybe you don't understand the story, so let me explain: 1. Rajan is a market capitalist, a proponent of the market as a perfect mechanism, advocate of supply side economics, anti stimulus (no money printing) and anti inflation camps. These were republican platforms and positions in his day(today libertarian). He made his career opposing Greenspan who introduced Quantitative easing in the west. If he was true to his positions, he'd have resigned from his advisory posts in the UPA-1 and UPA-2. While he was an advisor, MMS broke every rule in RR's manual in response to the 2008 crash. They printed money thrice, spent the rest of the tenure handing out money to the poor aka demand side economics for votes(MNREGA and fuel subsidy), destroyed market mechanisms in rural India(when everything rural was subsidised by the state) and oversaw growth by inflation.
2. When the chickens started coming home to roost in 2011-14 and the printed largesse was depleted, he took over crisis-ridden RBI in 2013. There was an excess supply of money which required a response on the interest rate front. Him and Chidambaram tried to steady the ship by hiking interest rates while trying to keep state institutions afloat(FCI, bad debt-ridden state owned banks and non Navaratna state companies) because disinvestment before elections would have been disastrous.
2. By 2014, money supply was in a critical state and RR remembered his academic positions. He kept the interest rates high and did everything to stop additional borrowing while BJP was hamstrung by previous commitments. I'd have no problem with the guy if he kept to this but he kept on giving statements against the government. The government was declined capital infusion to deal with legitimate crises. The best part is his duplicity in his academic work and public statements. His 2019 essay lists the inherited situation and his 2020 statement blames "political and social agenda" for lack of growth. This is like your bank manager calling up kids to tell them that their father does not buy them gifts because he doesn't like them while using his role at the bank, asking the father to pay back more.
3. I laughed hard at his answers on the challenges for the MSME sector, his policy and position are a part of the problem. India's elite like Sen(the best philosophical argument against reservation), RR and even Bhagwati love to roleplay conservatives positions outside of India but validate Congress or Communist stances that goes against their public and academic stances.
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Ā @davout5775Ā you sound like one of those sad sack CIS migrants who take inordinate pride in emigrating to the US.
1. I distinctly remember using the word "projects" not missions once or twice a year. The requirements for Mars projects changed mid 2010's as payload concerns and operational limits raised the cost. This is causing participants to build equipment that lasts for decades not years making small PROJECTS, unviable. ISRO is filling that market gap and the space community is happy for that option. Except you of course.
NASA is sending two rockets every cycle but it has a backlog that came to head in the mid 2010's. The cycle for major development is pegged at once a decade. India and Israel are two countries leaning into this gap. Try approaching NASA with a project proposal and let me know the ETA.
As for cutting costs with 3D printing, what do you think Agnikul cosmos is doing? Mangalyaan was a technical demonstration of a larger vision, the next mission is slated to increase capacity to 100kg. The eventual goal is to create a semblance of a supply chain in space. Anyone who follows ISRO knows they operate as an enabler more than a research entity. We don't care if the world wants it because we need it for ourselves first.
2. We are producing an institution that enables people and companies, coming up with our own tech, creating a market and earning us money. Tell me one good reason why this is bad or has to be compared to NASA.
3. Could you point me to an academic/industry nomenclature that deems any projectiles that end up below the Karman line as "not a space launch"? Since you have the names of the launch vehicles, it shouldn't be hard to Google news reports. While you are at it look up Antrix corporation, the commercial wing of ISRO.
4. Yeah that is what makes the numbers more impressive. Just in case you did not know, the US is a destination for global talent and every country and ethnicity tends to send their best there. If one of us makes it big, we celebrate that. I see Americans taking pride in the good things that their diaspora has achieved, why should it be different for us?
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Ā @IndiaAgainstSlaveryIASĀ reply is basically Indian politics imprinted on other nations. That isn't how politics or business works.
1. Only the Indians have an existential fear of causing damage abroad as we have been taught Gandhian philosophy which isn't Indian to begin with. The others suffer no fools. Ex: France still has a colonial Empire as we speak in 2023, it's central bank prints African money and it's longest border isn't with Germany, it's Brazil. France gets a lot of "drama" for it, but they will retain them so long as their interests demand them to.
2. As for the business and governmental outlook on investments, no country or business entity looks at social discord. Israel is a research hub, start up generator and the most productive industrial base in the Middle East while being in the middle of a warzone. Sweden, the poster child of progressive politics is receiving more investments even while they handle communal rioting, bomb blasts and no go ghettos of Muslim migrants, Mexico has been the largest recipient of American investment for friend-shoring(Not Vietnam)even as the cartel war rages on post el Chapo's arrest(Google CuliacƔn). I am not sure why we stand out here, it's not even a tenth of the violence in these countries.
3. The impetus for withdrawal from China was the geopolitical moves that threaten the US hegemony. Semiconductor acquisition and attempts to de-dollarise oil trade. No one withdrew investments because of Xinjiang, Ladakh or even causing Covid.
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I see a lot of people in the comment section blaming Indian middlemen and capitalism for the situation where the product is simultaneously overpriced and the producers remain poor. Gleaned a bit on this from my colleague who did a paper on spice farming in India. The economics on why this happens:
1. The production of niche agricultural and minerals is economically beneficial only if it's a side hustle(truffle farming for instance). Global south often inherits a historic feudal structure or mis-allocates a chunk of its population in pursuit of the product. While a truffle farmer in the west is either pursuing it while already being economically stable or as a side hustle, the farmers in India or the rest of the global south(Africa to SEA to S.America), do it as a full time job while the money earned has to support livelihoods and capital investment into the production process. Two bad years can lead to abandonment of the profession while the practice can sustain in the global north beyond a decade.
2. The main issue with produce of this nature is on both sides of the demand supply equation. Demand is experienced in spurts and the supply is inconsistent. Unlike standard agriculture of pulses, oilseeds, cocoa, rice, wheat, sugar and corn, the outcome of the activity is highly unpredictable at scale. There can be an oversupply in one unit and total losses in another.
3. Lack of standardization leads to lack of infrastructure and supply chains. This leads to entry of middlemen who are vocational profit seekers who will experience losses most of the time and disproportionate gains once in a season or years. They have no incentive to keep a regular supply chain but hunt for deals by driving up the desparation to sell the produce.
4. If ethical traders do enter the equation, they experience near constant losses due to the unpredictability of the trade, burden of setting up the supply chains from scratch and pressure of undercuts.
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Ā @sajeevramakrishnan1408Ā the answers do not lie in democracy or making education an electoral issue. I will cover in point 2.
1. I authored and headed a study for a multinational consulting firm in 2011 on the education system(not in public domain). Nothing has changed. I want to be specific when I say "literacy crisis among the educated". Literacy is the ability to count, write, read, communicate and function in society. We found the majority of the graduates(age profile:15-20) in upper class/caste metropolitan middle income families do not know how to write a formal letter, lack public speaking skills, read a 200 page book cover to cover or even open a bank account by themselves. Just to be clear, I am talking about the 5% income tax paying class not rural kids. This is the state of our education system. Will increasing the number of underprivileged into this funnel help them or harm then?
2. No democracy due to structural implication is good at generating width markers sustainably by itself but can create depth markers.(A government can fund research to create a hundred patent holders(depth) but it is not good at applying the patents to create a product(say iPhone) and distribute it to millions without the private sector). Where the government takes part in width markers, it is prone to inefficiency, exclusion and failure in the long run(PDS, healthcare and any function of welfare state). Any politics played on this issue will lead to a welfare burden. The remedy lies in govt stepping back on width markers for the private sector(logistics in Indian PDS is handled by the private sector) and civic society (UIDAI/Aadhar is a government body manned by civic society) or at the very least offer total autonomy to the function(IITs).
India has to focus on enabling rather than implementation and focus on the median rather than the outliers. It should focus on getting low level industrial work like ceramics, plastics and assembly into the country. This job can be manned by people without an education. Japan, Korea and China started with these sectors and moved up the value chain over time. That will allow us to buy 10-15 years and significant capital/revenue to create specialization.
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Ā @michaels4255Ā but that is just one model of how language passes on. There is bureaucratic/high culture diffusion as well where a conquered ethnicity/civilisation/country passes it's language/religion and cultural memes to the victor. For the sake of clarity, i am not talking about loan words, syncreticism or exchange but a wholesale import of epistemology, language and culture. Some examples of this are the Persianization of Turkic people groups and Turan(Incidentally every Muslim empire engaged in this, they did not want to indianise but invoke Persian high culture as a counter), the slow co-option of Chinese identity from KMT by the CPC post Mao; The Greek and Romans won over by Christianity but keeping thier philosophy, language and even their polytheist religious memes(patron saints from minor gods).
If a hypothetical invasion did happen, then it's not the Indo Aryan culture that won but the Dravidian. For instance, the Vedas do not mention reincarnation or samsara, it's the later Upanishads. And yet reincarnation and samsara are critical elements to all Indian religions.
If the point is restricted purely the to purpose of having a common language over a large geography, you are making a case for cultures seeking salience not violence. Sanskrit did not even have a common script, which is the case with court languages that seek to govern(Persian-Nastaliq and English-Latin script)
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Ā @Herw768OffcialĀ 4 months is plenty to take action for enforcement directorate. There is no action nor a case which means he is exonerated. I freaking cannot believe I am defending T-series, who I am not subscribed to nor am I a fan of, that is the hostility Pewds has created.
I don't think Pewds is racist in person, but he is out of place to conflate problems India faces with T-series and has most definitely created material for racists which makes the content racist.
Even when done for comedic effect, wilful mixing up makes the the person/persona the joke not the subject. An example of this is Cartman from South Park, when Cartman talks racist shit which sometimes is true irl, the joke usually falls back on him and he is subject to the consequences. When Pewds does it, it is not Pewd's persona which is the joke, it is India and Indians.
The issue is real world effect Pewd's actions have, go to a random T-series video to see the amount of gaslighting. Its funny the first time, after that it is just wrong. Think of it this way, its funny if your grandparents have a run-in with a internet troll once, but if there are multiple trolls intentionally contacting your grandparents to make videos, you have to defend their ignorance at some point and call it out as harassment.
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Ā @MM-ue4olĀ
1. There seems to be issues with comprehension when one cannot discern between an observation and proposal. Read the same point again. I have issues with "social progress" as much as I have with chewing gum before removing the wrapper(sequence matters).
2. Chaebol in Korea, Zaibatsu in Japan.
3. Lol set up a strawman and then defend it. I used Engels of all people to explain that it's not trickle down economics. We are not discussing taxing the rich(subject matter of trickledown economics), it's about how industrialisation creates real world specialization leading to product, old money and breaking of social structure. (All Marxist ideas btw)
4. Feudalism- Mercantalism- Capitalism- Socialism- Communism. This is the established progression within academia and social sciences since Marx.
Presence of money or trade does not make a feudal society capitalistic. Similarly, the presence of social schemes does not make a capitalistic country into a socialistic one. There is no pure capitalism, socialism or communism anywhere in the world but there is an operating norm. Going by the harebrained "feudal society had industries", look up what industrialisation means. If we still go by your framing India was industrialized at least 3000 years ago.
5. This is called Protestant historiography aka viewing the world as a permanent struggle between powers that be and the people resulting in slow ascent of liberalism.
If that was the case, the difference between isolated Sentinelese tribe and the west is ability to protest and engage in social reform. It's the combination of resources, technology and finally access. Tomorrow if civilization collapsed, women rights would suffer the most because we would not have the first 2 preconditions to provide access. no amount of protesting or social movements would bring back women's rights. it's the function that dictates the form, not the other way around.
6. You have successfully demonstrated you have no idea what industrial revolution was. The only reason the technology became viable is because it was for the first time in history, economically viable.
7. Again, you cannot discern between an observation and proposal? If you can't please present me how you plan to supercede the developmental stage?
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Ā @lohitroy5938Ā The issue is representing a part of the process as the whole of it. Tbf, all sides of the aisle engage in it. On why this is insufficient, let me explain with an analogy. the actor picking up the name Dilip Kumar isn't Hindufication(what I write next is about the process not what the individual should have done or made to do), the change needs to meet other criterion like voluntary partaking in Hindu festivities/activities, adoption of Hindu philosophical or theological axioms that may be counterintuitive to Islam or absent from it; adoption of social norms like dietary standards; mutual acceptance of the change by sections of society. Sanskritisation is often used as the imposition, placation or voluntary subjugation to a Sanskritic nomenclature, which isn't the case with the works of MN Srinivas(I happen to be a distant relative and have met him in person) or later academics.
2. Will try and read the paper(?) you mentioned. Please name the authors if possible.
3. I was merely confirming the standard of evidence. I am surprised you counted a contiguous thread as three, as distinct sources, the way I counted the three distinct threads are: one coming from his own family which doesn't have or like association with Brahmins, one by his biographer and another recorded instance of him mentioning it, recorded in early Ambedkarite literature. I think this is as good as it gets when it comes to an evidentiary standard. I am even affording you the rather proposterous idea of disregarding local information.
4. Your methodological critique isn't exactly suited for Indian history because of where we find ourselves. Treat history like a forest of competing plant species. With European history they had hundreds of species of historians who always relied on local information, hearsay and mythology as the initial root. They built their own narratives, won some debates and lost some, developed tools, theories and epistemologies. The forest has grown in height with just a dozen survivors but the outcome of this is a refinement that was never seen in any age.
With India, we don't have a forest, we have a singular tree of Nehruvian history and a vine of Ambedkarite history. The Nehruvian tree used state control to kill any competing threads using the imported methodological tools and ruse of evidentiary standards. We need Hindutva history, Jain History, Tamil history, Kannada history, Sanskrit history, trad history, casteist history, racist history and any other forms for us to have a forest. It's shocking to learn that everything we know in the Indian academia and society comes from less than 200-300 translated Indian works when Sanskrit alone has a estimated library of a million distinct works that have gone untranslated.
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Ā @gireeshgprasad7589Ā Hey Gireesh! Always a good conversation with you around. (Why does YT block my replies when they get too long, how does one circumvent it? š)
1&3. When I use the strong choice of a word "choose", it's more of a compatibilist view. Serendipity, history, geography and other factors were undoubtedly the genesis of the advantage. To accentuate it with policy, ancillary institutions, facilities and infrastructure was the "government choice". Examples: Mumbai got RBI, SEBI, NABARD which sealed its status as the financial capital. Chennai got India's first dedicated Industrial estate in the late 50's at Guindy after many industries propped up. Bengaluru got various central research institutes, the 1985 policy which provisioned software export via satellites.
2. FEP concentrated industries and institutions to two cities, Mumbai and Chennai and none of the coastal states generated industries directly from the policy. Chennai was specifically prioritised over Kolkata in this case despite being older. Capex happened regularly under Nehru, Desai, IG until Rajiv with central funding while Haldia was inaugurated after a full 25 years of FEP. in this case, it was a clear act of planned and implemented prioritisation. Post policy, we actually witnessed the total collapse of the Kolkata-Myanmar, Kerala/Karnataka-Arab and Gujarat-Arab maritime routes.
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Ā @gireeshgprasad7589Ā 5. The states mentioned in OC have severe revenue deficits. A simple perusal of the numbers will confirm it. NIc websites are a good source to confirm it. These states are not being given extra, though their policy choices are condemnable in cases such as farm loan waivers.
6. I don't understand the framing here, the point is not that retention of resources, capital and people automatically leads to outcomes. It is addressing a charged narrative in "earning" states, that they alone are responsible for the generation and association with India loses them money. I am pointing to the same thing you are but with a critical difference, in the FEP era, octroi and inter state taxes were not charged. That is why erstwhile BH, MP and OR were revenue deficit states which is mentioned in every paper on FEP.
8. The only interstate competition that existed pre 2000s is for central institutes and funds. Today, Hyderabad and Noida compete with Bengaluru for BPO and IT. PB, KA and MH compete for biotech and even in the newscycle there was considerable competition for both Tesla plant and Semiconductor Fabs. Also see the microtrends for Textiles(KA and AP competing with TN and GJ), minerals (Borkaro expansion, Vedanta plants), Agro industries and Agro FMCG(moving from GJ, TN, MH and WB to UP and HR with Gurugram emerging as a major center for factories and logistics.) These industries are moving to areas where agriculture and mining are happening.
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Ā @anshuraj4277Ā
"I would say we have here in this policy and program a synthesis of what modern Europe calls Socialism and Fascism. We have here the justice, the equality, the love, which is the basis of Socialism, and combined with that we have the efficiency and the discipline of Fascism as it stands in Europe" - April 15th, 1931. Inaugural speech as the Mayor of Calcutta
"Indian politics must have an authoritarian character. ... To repeat once again, our philosophy should be a synthesis between National Socialism and Communism," November 2, 1944.Ā Tokyo University.
Ā "So long as there is a third party, ie the British, these dissensions will not end. These will go on growing. They will disappear only when an iron dictator rules over India for 20 years. For a few years at least, after the end of British rule in India, there must be a dictatorship...No other constitution can flourish in this country and it is so to India's good that she shall be ruled by a dictator, to begin with." - Singapore Daily 1944
These quotes are from Bose himself. Fascism was admired by groups seeking Independance from colonialism and did not carry the stigma it does post WW2. No member of RSS let alone right wing in India is beholden to the ideas or Zeitgeist of the past.
If fascism is the ultimate objective, 7 years is sufficient time to impliment it. They have not. It seems only select liberal heroes are exempt from the critique and context.
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Ā @rishabhkhatriĀ 6.This leads to two types of start ups we get to see in India, low profit overcharging, gimmicky, marketing based, generic companies(organic food, niche textiles) or inexperienced copied tech which ctrl c+v foreign models like Zomato, Ola and the likes. There is not a single business model/sector that India generates and world copies.
7. There is no respect for the process of death of companies. The talent base for Apple, Microsoft were built on the decaying parts of IBM and their decaying businesses in turn fed Alphabet(Google), Amazon, FB and other tech giants. Tesla built on the inactive patents of NASA and dying American automobile sector. Netflix was built on a massive pile of rejected Hollywood scripts. One visionary ubermensch does not create a company, it requires a talent base of experienced SMEs, middle managers and directors.
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Blue pill: You are more suited for life outside. You shouldn't waste 2-3 years.
Red pill: your problem isn't society, it's mental fortitude. You are seeking respect from a social structure that you seek to transcend but you curiously want the same goals that the society imposes( marriage, money and social status). You should spend time on your mental health. No shame in it. Going outside will bring you peace from social pressure at the cost of loneliness. Once you have worked on finding your center make a strong choice in your career and life, in India or abroad.
Choice is yours.
India's near future opportunities come at the lower end, logistics and supply chains, raw material processing, parts of parts, assembly and consolidation. Your career choices sound like so many people I heard. I may be wrong in my presumption but it sounds like you are working on an edge case, too smart for the Indian market, too dumb/small for markets abroad. You need to react to demand and opportunities when your range is small. I am not saying what you are trying to do is impossible, I am saying it is improbable. Try adopting your thought patterns from idealistic to probabilistic.
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Ā @vanduzzz8093Ā
1. Are governments there to get praise from academia or is it there to effectively govern? China gets a lot of criticism for not having FoS but no one doubts its state machinery and it's effectiveness. I see a similar trend with West Bengal (I lived 2 years in Bandel and half a year in Burdwan), they focused on HDI, local governance etc and the state turned from India's best during independence to one of the bottom now. I got the best education of my life there but I had locals reaching out to my father for jobs in Karnataka, ironically even my school teachers. Larger question is I am not doubting the sincerity of those efforts but what is the end goal? What is the best way to extract maximum value?
2. I'd buy your statement of lack of support from Central government and high level of competition if I did not stay in Karnataka. As one of my mallu friends succinctly put it "if you want to be someone in Kerala, first thing is get out". Kerala is sending it's best students especially to neighbouring states. Second thing is Bengluru developed ots engineering scene without government support. RV, PES, BMS, MS Ramaiah, Dayanand Sagar were all by private individuals. IISc was there but they do not have a engineering stream till date. You can see the same in Dharwad, Mysore, Coimbatore, Pilani and many other cities. The best way seems to be industry and social investment into education. It's not the exception it's the rule. What is the use of 100% literacy if people don't have a single national level private university or industry?
3. I personally hate this "South India is better because of education" syndrome. Local people are just as "bad" as "North Indians". Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh are electing based on caste and even elected multiple movie stars, the absolute worst conflation of democracy and populism. This thread shows, why is criticism of a government priority taken as hatred of people?
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Ā @NubbdyĀ 1. I am not familiar with alcohol as an offering, but I presume there is sanction for it within the Shakta agamas. Bengal is not unique in the sense, even the temple of my family deity(Mylar Lingeshwara) in North Karnataka is offered both marijuana as well as alcohol. I have seen this at several temples of Karnataka, Maharashtra and even Kal Bhairav temple at Ujjain aside from my encounters with it in Bengal. I will ask around and reply if i find some information on this.
However I do know this part that the much of the Bengali practice today is heavily corrupted even as far as 50 years ago. For example, the pandals(not the temples) serve chicken and other meats. In the tradition, only the sacrificed meat is to be served and other meats are not a part of it. Only fish, goat and buffalo(afaik) are to be presented as sacrifice. The current practice stems from the "secularisation" of Pujo which is now more of a cultural and a community/socio-political event than a religious or spiritual one. This informs people of "how liberal our religion is".
2. Mahua did not say that but her worldview is at the root of the statement. For example, the poster had no alcohol in it, it had Kali smoking a blunt(?)/cigarette(?). She infused alcohol into the picture, despite that never being part of the poster. So what is the implication? Cigarette/blunt is ok as Devi even accepts alcohol?
Just to be clear, it's who is speaking and the context to which it was responded to, that is the problem. Ersatz second rate idea of liberalism.
The stoner vs shaman/sadhu is a good framework to understand why there is an issue here. Non-Western ideas of divinity is not a carte blanche. Have you heard of any anti-theists turning up at Catholic churches to have a wine party because wine is acceptable in the tradition? A decent amount of non religious like me would view this as unnecessary provocation.
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@Sohrab TS this is a popular misconception. I have lived for 6 years in the US. Public schooling in the US and some EU countries is different.
An area is demarcated as a school district(students can't transfer between schools easily like India, ask someone in US), property tax is collected for the running of the school, parents and tax payers become the school council, hire the faculty and they vote for things to run the show. The government tops off failing school districts and sets guidelines. Since there are less salaries, and only deficit topping, the allocation of states and federal govt is used to fund research.
In India, there is a department of education which runs the public schooling system, teachers are govt employees, decisions are centralised to district authorities up till the minister of education. There is no parent involvement, there is no voting, the states and center charge an educational cess on transactions and income tax which funds the system as a whole. Most of the revenue is entered into running the show like salaries, mid day meal schemes and distribution of freebies to students.
See the difference?
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Ā @chaitanyarao4128Ā then don't name literacy as education. India is already engaged in elite overproduction of engineers.
Going by your own premise, literacy should be associated with economic activity. In reality it's only a very weak correlation. Kerala, Lakshadweep, Mizoram, Delhi and Tripura(96% to 87%) lead the charts in the NFSH-5. Outside of Delhi which has inherited history, tell me where the development is at, for these states(please don't use size as a complaint, smaller the country easier it is to get rich like Estonia, Singapore, Switzerland, Ireland have achieved it while making being small an advantage).
Maharashtra(84.8%), Gujarat(82.4%), Karnataka(77.2%), Telangana(72.8%), TN(82.9%) and Andhra Pradesh(66.4%)(lowest in the country, even Bihar) are the engines of India's growth.
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@Pierre In if you are looking for paper titled "legal misnomer" then you are not going to find one. I didn't find a paper titled "raining cats and dogs", which is unscientific, how can animals condense and fall back on earth?
If you were talking about usage, then I don't think you want to put in the effort, when the phrase was used with quotation on stor with J, there are 7 papers that use it explicitly, with 2 additional papers citing a statement with that phrase. Google scholar lists at least a hundred instances of usage in academic papers.
I am pretty surprised livelaw does not show a single case tbh, but good news. Indian kanoon has 5 confirmed instances where this phrase has been used. Oldest usage is the year 2000, Narinder Kaur & anr vs Amar Jeet Singh Sethi.
So yes, "legal misnomer" is a phrase. I thought you had a poor grip on politics and society. The problem seems to be deeper, bud.
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@Pierre In
1. I never used the word fascist in my replies to you. I merely asked if Mudi ze can do it too as the event is being interpreted from the axiom of legality. No need for the facade of democracy as we have a perfectly legal way to retain power.
2. Your narrative of the emergency would be believed if one were not from this country or was unaware of Indian politics. If it was anti RSS and anti judicial takeover by RSS, why did the government preemptively jail the socialists and dissident sections of CPI-M, many of whom are still anti RSS like Karat, Pinarayi Vijayan and Yechury?
3. I am not doubting the validity of the colloquial phrase "follow the constitution", just pointing to lack of context when it's speciously used against the BJP which perfectly sums up the opposition. There isn't any criticism, they'd have done the same things.
4. You doubted the existence of the phrase "legal misnomer", perfectly fine till I provided you with the means to search for its usage. Not being able to acknowledge the width of its usage across literature, media, academia and case law is just pedantry for the sake of distraction. It's not 10 people who randomly used it, it's the 100+ academic papers (available on Google scholar) from fields as diverse as geopolitics to sociology to taxation to climate studies that have used it. 5 separate legal systems have judgements that use the phrase. Google Books lists hundreds of works(you were right, found an instance going back to 1927). And still you want some link to a dictionary to be convinced. Anyone reading this can tell, you don't want to be convinced.
5. I never initiated this party trick, you latched on to a phrase to disqualify my opinion and all that talk of aukat came back to bite you.
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Ā @SoumitraKhirpaiĀ 7. This leads to two types of start ups we get to see in India, low profit overcharging, gimmicky, marketing based, generic companies(organic food, niche textiles) or inexperienced copied tech which ctrl c+v foreign models like Zomato, Ola and the likes. There is not a single business model/sector that India generates and world copies.
8. There is no respect for the process of death of companies. The talent base for Apple, Microsoft were built on the decaying parts of IBM and their decaying businesses in turn fed Alphabet(Google), Amazon, FB and other tech giants. Tesla built on the inactive patents of NASA and dying American automobile sector. Netflix was built on a massive pile of rejected Hollywood scripts. One visionary ubermensch does not create a company, it requires a talent base of experienced SMEs, middle managers and directors.
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Ā @vishwassharma9856Ā I would not be able to share identifiable details as this is a borrowed alt account. I am in my early 30's. Have a specialization in micro-econ from a University abroad. A decade experience in consultation and part time academia. Currently on a health break except my consulting. I don't think I can share career advice as I was privileged enough to get opportunities. But try to read as much as you can, even Wikipedia and go down rabbit holes. Don't stop at wiki, try and read the reference section to find papers on academic websites.
2. I am volunteer with sangh affiliates so I am obviously biased towards BJP. Treat my take with a heap of salt. What i will do instead is provide a framework to think about any govt.
3. Any govt has 3 things to take care of expense(salaries)- welfare(subsidies)- Investment (infra/platforms) which needs to be balanced. India is currently ruled by the Sen(HDI focussed) vs Bhagwati(Infra focussed) debate. Left and liberals follow Sen and BJP/Some elements in Congress/TDP follow Bhagwati. This is also known as the Gujarat model vs Kerala model debate. Sanjeev sanyal dates it back to socialist Ashokan economy vs capitalist Arthashastra.
4. The feature of the Sen model is to reduce Investment and focus on expense and welfare. This is great for creating depth models like ISRO, IIT, general education, healthcare and welfare of the poor. It's drawback is the money is generated by taxing the success of the depth model. This leads to capital and talent flight. Things are good till they are suddenly not like UPA II or worse Sri Lanka. It invariably leads to a remittence economy where you have to export people who may choose to settle abroad. If a vast majority do, your nation suffers a BoP crisis and fails.
5. Bhagwati model is minimises welfare to create space for investment and expense. This is good at creating the width of businesses. A good road between states creates trade and network effect. It's drawback is people suffer if they don't have skills, money and social capital. Rich and the Middle class gets richer at the expense of poor, tribals and minorities in India's case. The trade is also pretty basic for the majority of the economy in the short run. There is strong evidence and correlation that this morphs into depth model like Japan, SEA tigers, Korea and China which turned textiles, plastics and assembly into high tech but it takes time and majority of people will fall off. There is an added danger of backing the wrong business, suffering Dutch disease or being impacted by international factors.
6. Obviously I have oversimplified both sides of the argument; BJP or any other party have mixed and matched both models; and there is evidence of the current government using a third way(Investment+welfare at the cost of expenses this learning to a hiring freeze on govt jobs). Treat this comment as a small limited peek, use Google, Wikipedia, academic websites, books and journals to make up your own mind. Hope this helps.
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