Comments by "Taint ABird" (@taintabird23) on "AP Archive"
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And Portugal, Spain, France, Malta, Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Austria, Italy, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Cyprus, Greece, Latvia, Lithuania, Estona, and Ireland. The SNP are seeking to swap a small and rapidly declining union based on inequality, for a progressive and much larger one where they have an equal voice.
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@ivanashley7875 I'm not Scottish and my opinions are my own - but I think they are well founded.
Once the UK leaves the EU and Brexiters begin to roll away the workers rights, sell off the NHS to American interests etc we can properly compare the EU v Brexit UK. Will it be worth it for the promised 'cheap shoes'?
I never said being British is a badge of dishonor, but it is a fact that the British Demos is in decline across the UK. We know from comparing the last census with leave areas, that leave voters tend to identify as English first or English only. We know from the General Election last month that it was a victory for all of the UKs nationalisms: the SNP increased their seats by 13, English Brexiters swept Labour away, Northern Ireland elected a majority of Irish nationalists for the first time, the Welsh nationalists held on to the extra seat they won in 2017. British identity has never been more weak.
Without the English, you can take responsibility for your own mistakes and credit for your own achievements. In any case, it is likely the English will eventually leave the UK themselves, especially when Brexit fails to deliver for the ordinary people of England. They will decide that Scotland, Wales and NI don't appreciate the money they give them...
As for the English not buying Scottish products, I find this kind of spite hard to understand. You would expect Brexiters to be more understanding of a country that was seeking independence. However, it is also short-sighted. If we take it that Ireland is the UKs 5th biggest export market a century after independence, it is reasonable to assume that Scotland is the 4th or 3rd most import destination for English goods once it leaves.
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'Ireland joined the EEC at the same time as the UK 1973, they only just qualified with a much bigger economy than Scotland. You should research a little more.'
So why did you say the EU? In any case, so what? If eastern europe could qualify 15 years after communism, Scotland should be able to achieve it in 10. And of course, Ireland achieved it. The Irish economy grew steadily from 1961 onwards. Why don't you save me time and show me the research on Ireland that you used?
"Brexit ambitions"????? Are you suggesting that the will of the majority to leave the EU is not going to be carried out by the powers that be?'
What on earth are you talking about?
Back in 2016, the Brexiters spoke of 'sunny uplands', lucrative trade deals and an EU that needed the UK more than the UK needed the EU. It was going to set the agenda regarding the negotiations, not pay a divorce fee and it would signing a deal with the EU would be 'the easiest in history'. Later that changed to it 'might take 50 years to see the benefits of leaving' to 'Leaving without a deal is not the end of the world'. This is now the extent of Brexiter ambitions.
'LOL! I admire your optimism but if countries could raise their economic growth so easily then everyone would be doing it wouldnt they.'
Countries do it all the time when they hit recession. What will carry people through it is an agreed coherent goal - in Scotland's case, entry to the EU and access to the the trading bloc. Never under estimate the power of Nationalism, you can see its power in relation to Brexit. The difference between the Scots and the English is that the Scots have a coherent plan, the English don't even have consensus on what Leave means.
'Your contradictory stance of wanting independence from the UK but then not independence from the EU is comical and frankly contemptible.'
It is only contemptible because it is a rejection of England.
I'm Irish, my country already has independence from the UK. Irish cultural identity and national confidence is stronger since it joined the EU. Irish identity is very fluid but is inclusive, and unlike its English counterpart is non-binary. The Scots are very similar. With that sense of national identity, joining the EU is easy. One is comfortable adding a common European identity alongside a national identity. It is clear from research that many English Brexiters aren't even comfortable with a British identity anymore and those who identify with being British first were more likely to vote to remain.
Its the same with the Welsh - Welsh speakers voted overwhelmingly to remain.
For the Scots too, joining the EU acts as a counterbalance to English dominance, another aspect the Scots understand from the Irish experience.
The Scots leaving will cause problems for England because they will have nowhere to put their nuclear subs.
The problem with English nationalism at present is that it is utterly incoherent as your post demonstrates.
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