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Comments by "Taint ABird" (@taintabird23) on "How Brexit could create a crisis at the Irish border" video.
Ireland left the UK in 1922. Is it a pre-requisite for all Brexit supporters to be complete morons?
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@ Toby Boddington I didn't use any big words. What word did you find challenging?
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@ The Duke of Wellington 'Also why should people in the UK learn about a random country with a 16th of its population.' To combat ignorance. They might even find out that its not even a 'random country', but a country with whom they share a border and history.
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'The British Overseas Territories (BOTs) or United Kingdom Overseas Territories (UKOTs) are 14 territories under the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the United Kingdom.[1][2] They are remnants of the British Empire that have not been granted independence or have voted to remain British territories. These territories do not form part of the United Kingdom and, with the exception of Gibraltar, are not part of the European Union' - Wikipedia
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Gibraltar is not in the UK.
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@ Nnelg Drahcir The people of Northern Ireland voted to remain, along with the Scots and Greater London. Despite devolution, the Good Friday Agreement and the principle of consent in relation to changes in NI, NI must leave with the UK as there is no constitutional account for the NI and Scotland voting to remain.
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Why not? The BBC have stated that the 52% vote to leave was also 'overwhelming'. Go figure.
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What if the UK became part of a Greater Ireland? How come nobody suggests that?
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It wouldn''t be up to it.
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Yes, what if Ireland just casually gave up its sovereignty so the English can continue with their fantasy. Pretty much sums up the Brexiter attitude to Ireland in just 11 words.
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But Ireland was part of the UK when this happened: '...that dailed so bad at agriculture that they gad a potato famine.' You know, if the UK was part of a Greater Ireland, your literacy problems could eliminated in our superior education system. You should think about that.
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@oMaGicKsv Nationalists ignored the vote. It was a referendum of the unionist population. And there was no reciprocal vote in the republic.
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@oMaGicKsv Well in Northern Ireland you expect a legitimate referendum to a least have the support of both sides. Without it, its just a stunt. Also, in relation to Northern Ireland you would expect the republic to have a say on it. It did not. You seem to wonder why the republic would have a say in and at the same time understand that you could have a united Ireland if the republic wanted them. Interesting contradiction there. The 1973 'vote' was a stunt.
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And the British exploited them to the fullest. Indeed, in Ireland, the transfer of 'good Protestants' from Britain was a deliberate act of colonialism intended to replace the native population will people the crown could trust. It didn't work.
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That's because the Irish understand how the EU works, feel an equal member, have helped to shape the bloc, and believe in shared sovereignty and how it amplifies your power. Only the insecure Brits think they are ruled by an unelected cabal in Brussels.
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@dude157 This is because the EU are the only grown ups in the room.
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@ Auctroitas 'You will be a subservient member state of a union of states dictated to by a panel of unelected officials who tell your government what to do.' Again, no. Members of the EU are equal, and the unelected officials are its civil servants. The UK does not elect its Civil Servants either. It doesn't even elect its upper house of Parliament or Head of State. If you are looking for subservience in a union, look at Scotland and Northern Ireland who voted to remain but must leave the EU because people who tend to identify as English are taking people who identify as Scottish and Irish out of the EU simply because there is more of them.
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There was a petition on Parliament's website from some well-meaning ignoramus trying to get parliament to debate inviting the Republic to rejoin the United Kingdom. As the petition reached 100,000...or was it a million, I forget now...it was pulled from the site. This made news in Ireland and a link to the site went viral amid a public debate about the shocking levels of stupidity and ignorance in the UK and what the Irish government should do to combat it. To put the petition in context, Ireland is commemorating the centenary of its War of Independence from the UK this year. Considering Ireland had to shoot its way out of the UK last time because Irish people felt Ireland was being run for the benefit of people living on another island, extending an invitation to rejoin simply to solve the UKs Brexit problem is beyond parody. While Ireland and the UK share many interests, Brexit indicates that many in the UK do not share Irish values nor care a jot for anybody on the emerald Isle.
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@zacwilde7771 I'm Irish. After a century of independence, it is puzzling as to why so many well meaning English people think that Ireland should be given an option to return to the UK. At the moment Ireland is commemorating its War of Independence from the UK, the centenary of which is happening now. Ireland has no interest in rejoining the UK - its future is with the EU.
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Some do, most don't. Some will, most won't.
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@Britannic hayyomatt 'The British Overseas Territories (BOTs) or United Kingdom Overseas Territories (UKOTs) are 14 territories under the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the United Kingdom.[1][2] They are remnants of the British Empire that have not been granted independence or have voted to remain British territories. These territories do not form part of the United Kingdom and, with the exception of Gibraltar, are not part of the European Union' - Wikipedia
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@governorkolp9321 There is no identity crisis in Ireland, as much as you may wish for one. Try sorting out you own country before you demonstrate your ignorance of others.
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@oMaGicKsv Oh I don't know - courtesy? I know there not much of a track record of such behaviour in Blighty - Brexit is evidence of that - but why hold the UK to a lower standard?
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You are far more useful to Ireland alive than you are dead.
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How was Ireland bullied into anything? Ireland voted to join in 1973 and for every treaty change subsequently. Support for EU membership stand at 92% in Ireland and has actually increased since the Brexit referendum. Where do Brexiters get their information from?
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Best for whom?
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The English don't have the confidence to be their own nation yet, they still have to hide behind 'Britishness'...that said, many Brexiters are English first and British second, but still none of them the balls to go independent. I suggest this will be the next stage in the development of English nationalism. Wales would probably opt to stay in the EU now, if thee was a second vote.
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Ireland has made a success of Globalism.
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They started to leave 98 years ago. It does not augur well for leaving the EU.
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What??
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@ CrankierSugar Your comment seems to be based on the assumption that there are no benefits to unification for Northern people. There is an economic argument that suggests otherwise: http://www.paulgosling.net/2018/02/the-economic-impact-of-an-all-island-economy-a-draft-report-for-consultation/ There has been no real debate about a united Ireland in the republic, and the ill-informed assume that a united Ireland merely consists of running the Tricolour up over Stormont with little else changing. However, any united Ireland will be a completely new Ireland, and the financial cost benefit analysis is only one factor to be considered by all sides...it is also the one that I personally feel too much has been made of. I think people in the Republic would support the idea of a united Ireland provided it is well thought-out, planned, inclusive and fair to all - but I think there would need to be reconciliation in NI first.
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What calls for the Republic to join with the UK?
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@drahcir6590 less than 30% supported the union in the 1918 general election. However the majority were in favour of the Anglo Irish treaty....
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Sorry, there is no accommodation for that in the Good Friday Agreement.
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Option 5 is unicorn stuff... The Irish government will not support a border poll unless a significant minority of Unionists would be likely to vote in favour. A 50% +1 vote in favour of a united Ireland would be stuff of nighmares in Dublin.
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Dublin is.
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You're wrong. Inform yourself.
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Because the British border in Ireland becomes a border with the EU, not just Ireland. Therefore its an EU issue and Ireland cannot make rules and arrangement with a third country on behalf of the entire bloc.
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Stupid comment of the day, for me.
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I disagree. I would like to see them stay in a united Ireland where they feel at home, one day.
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I don't think the British are up to an invasion at the moment. They're incapable of making decisions. I'm not sure why any Irish person would be considered 'treasonous' to the British, as the Irish have not been part of the UK for nearly a century.
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Don't be silly.
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You're wrong. Inform yourself.
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They don't like foreigners, and they like to blame others for their bad decisions. Well 51% of them do.
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Says Governor Kolp, an expert on the Irish people.
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@governorkolp9321 Ireland pooled it's sovereignty in some areas in order to amplify it. It is has worked very well because Ireland knows how to use it. The Irish are secure in their identity in a way the English in particular are not.
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'Sinn Fein are a nationalist socialist organisation that have aligned themselves with many unsavoury terrorist movements. .. Islamist Terror organisations being one such example.' the British Empire is another terror the Irish were involved with. Up to 50% of the British Army was Irish in the 19th century, playing a role in the oppression of other peoples, none of whom ever invited the British to impose themselves on them. But I something tells me you have no problem with that.
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Most flights diverted in the Irish air space are diverted to Shannon; others to Belfast and Manchester. I guess it will be entirely Shannon from now on.
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There have never been a vote on unity with the republic.
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