Comments by "Taint ABird" (@taintabird23) on "Brexit negotiations: Irish Taoiseach UK & EU 'need to rebuild trust'" video.

Leroy Jenkins 2.0 The border is in Ireland, dumbass. The open border came about due to a democratic decision of the Irish people North and South in 1998 and the Belfast Agreement makes Ireland a co-guarantor of that agreement. Once PM May allied herself with the DUP, a party that did not represent the desires of the people of NI in relation to Brexit, the Irish government were required to speak up for the people of Northern Ireland. They have that right because of the Belfast Agreement. Ireland used its diplomatic clout in Brussels and Washington, as sovereign nations tend to do, better than Brexiters did. Your government has behaved like a pantomime dame by comparison. The UK is not the only sovereign state involved in the Brexit farce, and Ireland has no intention of mimicking the crazy contortions of its former imperial master by being 'with' you. You lot are on your own.
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Leroy Jenkins 2.0 Really? Where is my delusion? You do know the British Demos is in terminal decline, right? Of course NI is part of the UK, nobody is disputing that - but it is contest territory, with half of the population tolerating its constitutional position within the UK for now. The majority of Scots appear to identify as Scottish rather than British. We know that because of the rise of the SNP and the prevalence of Scottish identity even among many Scottish Labour voters. The 2011 census tells us that there are vast areas of England that identify as English rather than British, and polls since then have shown that English identity is on the increase in England. There is a direct co-relation between the areas that voted for Brexit in 2016 and those areas that identified as English in 2011. Wales voted to leave. But again that 2011 census tells us that 12% of the population of Wales identifies as English, not Welsh. With most of these English voters in Wales being retirees and fitting the most pro-Brexit demographic, it is fair to say these people brought their politics with them. When you consider that of 17 + million people who voted to leave the EU, 15.1 million of them were English, and add that to the diminishing overarching Britishness across the union, and then the delusion is that the UK voted to leave 'as one country'. If fact, English insecurities dragged the rest of them out. The constitutional arrangement is clearly unfit for purpose, and there is a yawning democratic deficit that has no parallel in western democracy that I can think of. The delusion is on your side, I'm afraid. Leaving the EU is England's wrong answer to the wrong question.
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The UK is a rogue state. An agreement with the UK is not worth the paper it is written on.
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Leroy Jenkins 2.0 Treacherous? In that comment you dismiss Irish sovereignty as meaning nothing. Irish unity is a matter for the Irish people and nothing to do with the British.
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You need to stop trusting yourselves, that's where all the problems sprang from.
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How is it a dictatorship when all countries in the bloc have a vote on any deal the UK has with the EU? The EU will be fine in 5 years, but the UK is only 50/50.
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Leroy Jenkins 2.0 Ireland has always respected British sovereignty.
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Leroy Jenkins 2.0 On the 2019 United Nations Human Development Index, Albania is list as 69th in the World, the UK is 15th and Ireland is 3rd. The UK is closer to Albania than Ireland.
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It is fundamentalists because the UK fishing industry is a tiny part of the UK economy, and its value to Brexiters is symbolic not economic.
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@eddiel7635 Well, the UK needs a trade deal, and it is in the weaker negotiating position. If there is not a deal by 31st December, it will only be no deal for now. The UK will be back and it will give the EU what it needs in order to get the access it wants to the EUs single market. There really isn't a debate to be had about this either.
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@eddiel7635 The UK needs a trade deal, an anchor deal, with the EU or US. The fact that you have not signed one yet is because your preference is for an EU deal, and the potential deal with the US was to be used as leverage or a backstop. The risk of no deal with the EU has diminished significantly since Biden won the US Presidential election. It is difficult to see how Ireland has been 'chucked under a bus' by the EU, though Brexiters are prone to this hallucination without ever being able articulate it. How could it be possible? After all, you also admit that the UK has not signed any deal. Furthermore, Ireland has outplayed the UK diplomatically in both Brussels and Washington, and if the UK does not sign a deal with the EU, it will only be a temporary. Food shortages and other chaos will see to that. Your claim that I have given up on my argument that the UKs fisheries policy is fundamentalist is your error. My argument still stands. The UK will cave in on fish in order to get increases access for its car assembly factories etc. That's where the jobs and the votes are.
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Leroy Jenkins 2.0 I have no idea what this statement is supposed to mean. When did not Ireland NOT respect British sovereignty?
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Leroy Jenkins 2.0 'Micro-identities', eh? What an unfortunate term. The fact is, being English or Scottish is becoming the dominant identity in both England and Scotland and the evidence is there to back it up. You need to get with the trend, or be left behind. 'Micro-identities' Try 'multi-layered' identity instead, it is a more appropriate term. The multi-layered British identity is also the identity that the people of the UK are gradually abandoning. Force for good in the world? Depends on who you ask.
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Which is exactly how the EU feels about the UK. You belittled the small nations of the EU by believing that all that was required for the UK was to strike a deal with Germany because of the laughable myth that 'Germany controls the EU'. Now you expect a deal with these small nations. Pathetic.
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@eddiel7635 How would Ireland be economically ruined? It will still be in the EU. Certain sectors in Ireland would certainly be damaged, but there is no indication that it would be ruined when it has unfettered access to the SM. Any damage Ireland experiences because of Brexit will be the UKs fault, not the EUs - the UK is the one changing the status quo. The entire UK economy will not collapse, its internal market is strong and will continue. The overall economy will not function properly though, there will be a flight of capital out of the country, there will be unemployment at a time when personal debt is at its highest in years, increased unemployment, negative price shocks, and political and social unrest. There is zero panic in London because everybody knows that the UK is cannot go for No Deal with the EU because Biden has closed the door on a US-UK trade deal under those circumstances. 46% of your exports are to the EU. There will be a deal, sooner or later. Everybody knows this. Ever since 2016, Brexiters have been making it up as the go along, pretending they never wanted a deal when in fact they were led to believe they could have any deal they liked because they were so important. When it became apparent that this was not the case, in order to avert humiliation they simply changed the narrative. Peter Lilly described no deal as 'madness'; Farage said he fancied a Norway-style deal (don't remind him of that now).
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@dodgynumber7533 Brexit is based on the notion that the EU should never have been trusted. How can you regain what you never had?
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'For all Brits who have watched the Brexit Negotiations over the last 4+ years, and thats 65m people, it will take decades to establish trust in the EU. Why, because the EU has disrespected the British public and British democracy since the Brexit referendum....' What unadulterated rubbish. Reading your post you'd think that leaving the EU was the UNAMIOUS decision of the British people. It was not. You only speark for 52% (mostly English people), the other 48% saw this coming. 'And the Irish Republic has stuck the boots into the UK constantly, whilst hiding behind the EU. The UK will not forget the Irish Republic's behaviour for many many years'. The Irish Republic stood up for its interests with a country that was lecturing others on the value of sovereignty - you need to realise that others value their sovereignty too. Brexiters will soon forget about Ireland, if Brexit has thought the Irish anything, it is how quickly British people forget about Ireland - this time to their cost. Spare me your victim complex, and give me a shout in 800 years. Then we can talk about countries 'sticking boots' into each other on equal terms. Enjoy your self-imposed EU vassalage.
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@mikaham681 What utter rubbish. Ireland is full square with the European Union, it at the centre of the bloc, and so is not in a minority position. The Irish Republic shares the same values as the rest of the EU, and while Brexiter victimhood requires hatred of the UK, the Irish and the rest of the EU make a distinction between hating Brexit and feeling sorry for the UK because Brexit is an English brainfart. I support the UK in general but not in any way when it comes to harming Irish interests. England has left the wrong union because English nationalism has yet to grow a pair, admit its a nation, and stand on its own two feet. Ireland's position today has nothing to do with historical animosity. It is only concerned with not being used by Brexiters as leverage against the EU and to reduce the collateral damage of Brexit, which is something the Irish people never asked for. Support for membership of the EU is higher in Ireland than in any other member state.
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@robharris8844U What I noticed was David Davis flying to Berlin to strike a deal, only for Merkel to redirect him to Brussels. It was hilarious.
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@robharris8844U What's the 4th reek?
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The UKs future is as a vassal of the EU, you just don't understand that yet. Give it time.
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On the contrary. The Irish are commemorating, not celebrating, their independence from the UK. The value of that struggle a century ago is that today it continues to pool its sovereignty with other small nations for the benefit for its citizens. The English have voted to horde their sovereignty in an ivory tower. That will solve none of the problems that led to Brexit.
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None. The convention in the English language is to call nearly all national heads of government "prime minister" (sometimes the equivalent term "premier") except in the cases where the head of state and head of government are fused into one position, usually a presidency, regardless of the correct title of the head of government as applied in his or her respective country. The few exceptions to the rule are Germany and Austria, whose heads of government titles are almost always translated as Chancellor; Monaco, whose head of government is referred to as the Minister of State; and Vatican City, for which the head of government is titled the Secretary of State. In the case of Ireland, the head of government is occasionally referred to as the Taoiseach by English speakers.
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@robharris8844U the third what?
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@robharris8844U That's a double negative. What's a reek?
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@robharris8844U Leave what?
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@Firedancer100 British eurosceptics have predicting the end of the bloc since the end of the 1950s. How much time do you need?
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@jasonkingshott2971 Sorry, what?
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Leroy Jenkins 2.0 You're the quiet one, not me.
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@mogznwaz I think you are engaging in an argument nobody else is having. Have a lie down and try again later, its probably past you bedtime anyway..
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But most of them are in England.
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@mikaham681 The EU cannot walk away from Ireland, as Ireland IS the EU - every member IS the EU. It is not some separate overarching invisible entity - every member IS the EU. The fact is, the UK is weaker than Ireland because of brexit and that is why you ended up in this situation. The EU was ALWAYS going to back it member against a soon-to-be-outsider, no matter how big and important it thinks it is. That's just a plain fact.
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@mikaham681 Every member state IS the EU. It is not some separate body holding countries against their will. The EU is a group of small countries, half of them smaller than Ireland, ans while the British can only view international relations between countries in terms strong v weak, it is not how the EU is run. Ireland is comfortable with its membership in a way that you could never understand, with support for membership actually increasing since Brexit.
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