Comments by "Taint ABird" (@taintabird23) on "Nicola Sturgeon: 'the case for Scottish independence has never been more compelling'" video.

  1. After Scotland leaves and Ireland unites, the UK will be known as the Former United Kingdom of England and Wales (or FUKEW)...
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  2. Because they understand how the EU works. Within the UK their opinion is irrelevant because they are outvoted by English nationalists. Where's the democracy in that?
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  3. Circumstances have changed, another vote is required.
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  4.  @longdongsilver1255  You cannot join the EU unless you are Sovereign. Sharing sovereignty to amplify it is the point of the EU. The English hate sharing sovereignty because if means they cannot dominate the bloc, and when you feel really special like they do, that equality they are stuck with feels like oppression. The Scots lack this hang up.
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  5. Of course it does, indeed it is likely to be fast-tracked into the EU in due course.
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  6.  Teresa Watts  It is impossible to have referenda every other week. You hold referenda on issues when opinions or facts change, in order to give effect to those changes. Being able to change your mind is an essential ingredient of democracy. We have general elections every five years - have we had enough of them?
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  7.  Teresa Watts  Of course! That's my point, the Scots ARE LEAVING THE EU AGAINST THEIR WILL. Please keep up. I'm saying its grounds for an IndRef2.
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  8.  Teresa Watts  The UK is leaving the EU!
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  9.  @stevensmith686  Of course not. Only when opinions or facts change. What are you afraid of? Too much democracy?
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  10.  @stevensmith686  On the contrary, I am a democrat who understands that Scotland with its distinct identity and Northern Ireland where two conflicting identities were being blended through a shared EU identity and where there is an expectation of consent, are leaving the EU against their will. The lack of constitutional account for this does not concern you, but you are bothered by an alleged democratic deficit in the EU. I don't accept that 15.1 million English people with their identity crisis have the right to take 5 million Scots or nearly 2 millon NI out of the EU against their will, on the grounds that the EU is undemocratic. Its not like there is a strong British Demos these days, is there!
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  11.  @longdongsilver1255  They were told that by conservative commentators - the fact is they already meet most of the requirements by default of the UKs membership. Plus there is huge sympathy for Scotland across the EU, because it leaving against its will due to the democratic deficit in the UK. Nobody will oppose their application.
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  12.  @samrowbotham8914  Because Sam, there is no truly 100% independent small countries in the world that are not dirt poor backward entities. The EU invites its members to share their sovereignty judiciously in order to amplify it. Coming together collectively in this way increases the prosperity of each nations population. I'm Irish, not only did I read the Lisbon Treaty - unlike you - but I voted on it twice. Once, against it because I was unhappy with that the minister in charge of the referendum claimed he never bothered to read it, and the second time because he did.
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  13.  @JohnSmith-gj3hg  You the very epitome of the Brexiter ignoramus. Scotland will NOT have pay 13 billion into the EU. They will pay 1.5% of GDP JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER MEMBER. I'm sure the Scots will be happy to pay for a border with England, but of course the nature of that border will depend on the relationship London has with Brussels. The Scots would have no bother creating their own Defence Forces. Any country can do it. The UK will be greatly weakened when it returns to Brussels seeking a trade deal. You only have to look at Ireland to see how the Scots inside the EU could have the whip hand over England in the decades ahead...
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  14.  @stevensmith686  There's no rule on referenda being once in a lifetime. The UK has only ever had two in its entire history - in other countries like Switzerland they have referenda on a regular basis on all sorts of issues. The Swiss even hold vote a second time when new information comes to light - the did this year to change vote taken the year before. The Irish do it when opinions change - they had three referenda on abortion between 1983 and 2018 to reflect it. Being able to change your mind is an essential ingredient of democracy.
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  15. @Aaron Giles Well it is a darn sight more democratic than the United Kingdom, though that would not be hard. Personally, I have no difficulty with the democracy of the EU.
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  16.  @KillerBill1953  Don't worry, they won't change their minds. And once they leave, the UK ceases to exist in any case, so the point is moot. Secondly, why would the English be given a vote regarding Scottish independence? What an utterly pointless comment. The English didn't want them to leave though, and did their best to undermine the vote. The English couldn't bear the thought of rejection. The whys and wherefores are totally relevant. One of the reasons the Scots voted to remain was because there was insecurity about getting into the EU. They're out now anyway, so what difference does it make? AND it appears they may in fact be fast tracked into the EU because they already have many of the requirements of membership by default...not to mention there the sympathy that is felt towards the fact that 2/3s of Scots share the values of the EU. Finally, the disdain the English have for the SNP and the Scots will encourage separatism. Its not our choice, its theirs.
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  17. The remained in the UK because it meant they were in the EU. They are leaving the EU against their will now. 'When the facts change, I change my mind, what do you do, Sir'. - John Maynard Keynes
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  18.  @Lovenewton98  Yours is a very articulate and accurate post.
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  19.  @samrowbotham8914  Where did I say anything about giving sovereignty away?
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  20.  @samrowbotham8914  My comment about not having a problem with democracy on the EU is proof of nothing other than I don't agree with you. Comparisons with the Soviet Union are hysterical.
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  21.  @samrowbotham8914  I thought you were leaving the EU because you lost your Independence?
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  22.  @longdongsilver1255  We do. We know because of the wide variety of incoherent reasons for leaving by Brexiters for a start, and because leave voters wanted to give the British establishment a kick. Take a deep dive into these reasons and other data and we can make a good stab at it!
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  23.  @JohnSmith-gj3hg  Great. Its about time the English grew a pair and admitted there were a nation, and became independent.
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  24.  @civis.revixit  Don't get ahead of yourself - Brexit has not happened yet. Brexit is part of the slow break up of the UK. And who is to say the English won't be the ones to break it up?
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  25.  @JohnSmith-gj3hg  Fair enough. Independence may cost Scotland billions, but so what? In 10-15 years, with EU membership, the Scots will fine. Brexit carries zero economic benefits for the English and they still want it and according to JRM it could be 50 years before they see any benefit. The European Army thing is a red herring - it is not even about 'demanding' national armies of sovereign nations - and many countries have opt outs. The UK was against it because the US State Department is against it. This is because it is considered a threat to US military interests in Europe.
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  26.  @stevensmith686  Brexit has not happened yet, Steve!
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  27.  Teresa Watts  A majority of Scots voted to remain in the UK in large part because they would be voting themselves out of the EU. Now the UK is leaving the EU even though 2 thirds of Scots voted to remain. In a normal country this would be grounds for a second referendum. In a normal democracy, a change of circumstance us grounds for changing ones mind.
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  28.  Teresa Watts  lol! How will that happen?
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