Comments by "Taint ABird" (@taintabird23) on "DW News"
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flip inheck 'It is a historical fact that Ireland (Free State) left the UK creating the partition, your ignorance of historical fact is obvious'
You owe Bush Ranger and apology.
Partition took place on 3 May 1921 under the Government of Ireland Act 1920. The smaller of the two, Northern Ireland, was duly created with a devolved administration and forms part of the United Kingdom today, but the larger one, intended as a home rule jurisdiction to be known as Southern Ireland, failed to gain acceptance. The territory instead became independent and is now a sovereign state also named Ireland and additionally described as the Republic of Ireland.
The Act of 1920 was intended to create two self-governing territories within Ireland, with both remaining within the United Kingdom. It also contained provisions for co-operation between the two territories and for the eventual reunification of Ireland. However, in 1922, following the War of Independence (1919–1921) and the Anglo-Irish Treaty, the southern and western part became the Irish Free State, while Northern Ireland exercised its option to remain in the United Kingdom.
Therefore, partition occurred before the creation of the Irish Free State. Incidentally, Irish nationalists were not consulted on partition or the Government of Ireland Act, 1920. The British government only consulted Ulster Unionists who took the opportunity to abandon their brethren in Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan in order to ensure a larger Protestant majority in their truncated province.
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flip inheck So now you claim partition never happened until 1937? Odd that, the DUP are already talking about commemorating the centenary of the creation of Northern Ireland later this year...
Contrary to your claim, Ireland left the United Kingdom following the Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921, becoming the Irish Free State. Partitioned in 1920, the Boundary Commission cemented the border in 1925. In 1923, the Irish Free State joined the League of Nations, and with the adoption of the 1937 Constitution following a plebiscite, the name of the state changed to Eire and it elected a Head of State. In 1949 the state became Ireland, left the Commonwealth and declared itself the Republic it was in all but name.
Contrary to your other claim, Ireland was universally recognised as an independent country, with any doubts being removed following the 1938 Anglo-Irish Agreement which saw the removal of the three RN bases. Irish independence and neutrality was recognised during WW2 when the UK and the rest of the Commonwealth declared war on Germany.
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@ P S
Who is going to erect a hard border.
Both Ireland and UK will have to erect a hard border.
Ireland will erect a hard border to protect the Single Market, the UK will be required to deploy checks for WTO purposes.
Another hard border will be erected by the UKs denial of Irish identity and the EU rights of Irish citizens in NI in contravention of Article 1 (vi) of the Belfast Agreement. The UK has provided no solutions to this problem either. Dissident IRA have already set off a bomb in County Fermanagh this week (Fermanagh is on the border) and so armed security will in due course be returning to the border.
I told you that there is a diminishing UK demos - what part of that do you not understand?. Most Leave voters are English and identified as such in the 2011 census, or as English first and British second. There is a direct co-relation between the pattern of leave voters and the expression of English identity in the 2011 Census. Brexiters don’t care about the UK, and we know from recent polls of members of the Tory party that they want Brexit more that they want to maintain the United Kingdom. The only reason the backstop is an issue is because the Tories are stuck depending on the DUP to keep Corbyn out of power. Brexit is a product of an English identity crisis and a Tory party at war with itself. Both the Scots and Northern Irish voted to remain and the fact that they are leaving is indicative of a democratic deficit in a union that is no longer fit for purpose. Therefore, your comment, is disingenuous.
Texas is not at all like NI, it is true, but neither is any other part of the UK for that matter. NI can vote to leave the UK at any time and its citizens are entitled to plural identities. The citizens of say, Somerset, do not have this right and cannot claim an identity that is Irish, British, both or neither.
You have never read the Belfast Agreement, and neither have your Brexiter leaders. The EU is mentioned in relation to the development of cross border relationships, their funding etc, in relation to Strand Two. These cross border relationship (Agriculture, Education, Transport, Environment, Waterways, Social Welfare, Tourism, Inland Fisheries, Aquaculture, Health and Urban development) will be disrupted or halted as the UK will be outside the EU. This is significant for the island of Ireland.
The people of NI did not vote for this.
While Northern Ireland remains part of the UK, the BA states that no changes to status of NI can be carried out unless the people NI vote for it. NI nationalists did not vote to lose their EU rights that come with their Irish identity which they are permitted to have under the Belfast Agreement.
So, your argument is baseless and pointless.
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@ Charlie
No it is not.
Some Scots hate the English, who utterly dominate them. Who else do they hate? Nobody. Irish and English friends in Scotland have told me stories about the hostility some Scots have for the English, and both have found it shocking. It is not something you would ever see in Ireland, not since it took its place among the nations of the world, although some English I find on this media insist I that I hate them because the are English - or more accurately, because I am Irish.
The English also insist on speaking on behalf of the various Celtic nations, claim to know what is best for them - your statement that the Scots 'wrapping themselves up in an EU blanket won't make them feel any better' indicates that tradition is still alive in you. In my opinion, it also points to your insecurity - the English still need the Celtic nations in order to feel secure in their identity.
This will change over time. English nationalism is still in at nascent stage, and it is relatively incoherent. It make sense to me that you should be confident as the world is full of Englishness: football, rugby, cricket, the English language, Common law etc. English culture is everywhere and is easily identifiable, a product of an imperialism that was a vehicle for English nationalism for hundreds of years. And yet Brexiters still feel that the EU threatens their identity. This is because the post-Imperial English are still trying to find their place in the world.
Irish identity and culture has thrived and its nationalism has matured since joining the EU, in a large measure because it is not dominated by England to the same extend anymore. Irish people are also more confident than they used to be, as we have an equal voice in the EU, unlike the experience of the Union Ireland left in 1922. In short, membership of the EU has done more for Irish identity than independent isolation did previously. The Scots understand this, and the English fear it.
This brings me back to a point I've made before. The real problem the English have with the EU is the equality that it offers. The English don't feel equal to anyone, they feel they are exceptional because of what they achieved in the past and this is a reliable indicator of can be achieved in the future. They want exceptions to be made for them as they are particularly special. You can see it clearly in the Brexit 'negotiation strategy' of the UK government, UKIP and the like.
You are right, Brexit is the least of the EUs problems, and I think that overlooking that has been a strategic error of the exit strategy. 'They need us more than we need them' has proven to be an unreliable hook to hang the Brexit strategy on.
British Eurosceptics have been predicting the end of the EU since they joined in 1973. It won't happen, it will merely continue to evolve.
Can the same be said for the UK? That remains to be seen.
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