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Comments by "David" (@stoogel) on "Music Industry on life support right now" video.
@imaginater5238 People who think these statistical machines are an actual replacement for creativity are obviously not creative people.
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Can you imagine how many desperate plumbers there will be when white collar workers move into their industries? The value of all labor is going down. It's a race to the bottom with machines that are much faster than us.
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I swear the bots will keep up that obnoxious friendly demeanor even when they start killing us
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@vectoralphaSec That might fly in Japan but laughable anywhere else. People want the connection between a performer and the crowd. Nice of you to charge nothing and pay a ton to put on a show that no one will want to see, though.
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@marcs9451 I'm sure people are happy to have their hard work stolen and used for profit, right? Only in a society with no money can copyright not exist.
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@rojastegulu That comment was about the human capacity for creativity, not the human capacity to churn out a product that sells. Creativity is stifled by Capitalism.
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@vectoralphaSec People crave authenticity and despise AI attempts to mimic it. It gives regular people the creeps.
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Call me old fashioned, but I'm holding out in favor of good old human creativity. This stuff seems like a great way for scammers to fill the world with noise. Greed and the illusion of "inevitability" drives tech people to try and destroy everything beautiful in the world, everything that seems to connect us to the metaphysical. The future smells.
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@Emiltecknar AI art did not exist a long time ago. The law is way behind the technology. Your name and likeness are copyright-able. There will be a case for treating voices the same. When digital impersonation is rampant your identity becomes fragile.
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@vectoralphaSec How often does Hatsune Miku tour the US? Is hologram Tupac on top right now? No, it was a gimmick. I only see this working for electronic music where performers are already frequently in disguise and barely perform. "Millions" is hilarious.
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@edwardhoffenheim3249 So again, what does it have to do with replacing creativity? It's mimicking craftsmanship.
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@YouGotOptions2 Yeah no someone's gonna lose millions over that.
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And soon it's $20/month to some big tech company.
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@rtpHarry So this generation is happy to do drugs watching a real person press play and connect with the crowd, but the next generation will prefer doing drugs watching... essentially a prerecorded video? Kids these days.
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@therealb888 Creativity is an attribute of sentient beings. By definition, it requires the will to produce something with some kind of value. Are you suggesting nature has a will? An intelligent creator? If so who is religious here? If your world is not human-centric then you are either not human or you're making shit up. Nature is a complex phenomenon and its "beauty" is entirely human-ascribed. Stable Diffusion is trained on what humans find valuable and its output is curated likewise. Creativity is not an aspect of a machine learning model, even one with "self-reflection". It's an aspect of theoretical sentient AGI.
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Corporate greed is depraved enough to exhume the dead
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Always have to think of it as a tool. If you have an artistic vision and it helps you achieve it, then you could benefit.
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@NazarTimofeyev It's not like AI musicians will be the only ones "making it" just because they could pump out music fast. Personality, performance, celebrity, these are things AI does not have, and people honestly find it creepy when there are attempts to mimic it.
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Definitely should go to the likes of Google and Microsoft. Absolutely. Maybe after that if we beg them they'll dole us out $20k a year in UBI.
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@vectoralphaSec Anyone who would say that is a philistine, a closed channel. If you can't even recognize art and creativity, naturally you'd think the probability machines could create it and provide just as much value to humans with taste. Of course they can't.
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GPT is great for helping me overcome writers block with lyrics. Could never be satisfied with just copy-pasting its output though.
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We don't need it. Creativity is not a problem to be solved, and the work of art is not tedium to be automated. Tech companies don't understand, but they do want to transfer all the wealth produced by "knowledge work" to themselves and dole the plebs out $20k a year in UBI.
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Sounds like bullshit. This stuff can't be protected by copyright. I only see it becoming less and less legal. The music industry is one of the most infamously litigious. Another thing, normal people hate AI generated crap unless it's background music or memes.
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@khiemgom Very unlikely. AI can't make music all on its own. The best music will always be made by people, whether they use AI to help or not.
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@therealb888 What's this obsession with "replacing"? It's a tool. It has no ability to understand aesthetics. Did the rhyming dictionary replace songwriters?
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@DanielRodrigues-bx6lr "We're all just statistical machines bro". Yeah you absolutely don't sound like a teenager who thinks he's intelligent.
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Thats the dumbest take I've seen yet.
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@rtpHarry Wordpress plugins aren't software systems. They are scripts running on top of an existing platform.
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If anything it will transfer wealth from record labels to big tech companies. The industry for sync music (music for ads, youtube vids, tv etc) might be doomed, though. Similar to editorial illustration, it's an applied field where the wealth will be transfered from small working artists to, once again, billion dollar tech companies.
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Tech CEO grifters still tell us the lie that AI is meant to free us from menial work. Meanwhile they are building a world where menial work is all humans have left. They are your enemies, not your friends. People like Sam Altman only want power.
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No way. I can't imagine a living artist who would approve of people digging up their corpse and using it like a ventriloquist dummy. It's fucking ghastly.
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Technology makes us lonelier, and this will be the final step in that. So many people will withdraw to their fantasy worlds.
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@zavil6219 I really wonder if the people who think the arts can be automated like software development can are even human. Do you just listen to "lofi hiphop beats to study/relax to all the time" or something? Has art ever made you laugh, cry, introspect, feel anything?
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Don't worry, billionaires like Sam Altman will set you up with $20k a year in UBI. That's enough for plebs these days, right?
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I wonder what kind of person thinks that's what art is- a product to be churned out as quickly as possible.
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@khiemgom If sentient AI can form a concept of aesthetics, it will produce art according to its own experience.
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@therealb888 Human art is based on human aesthetics, not technical specifications. It can't be entirely automated, nor are machine learning models autonomous anyway.
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@therealb888 Because people who hopped on the AI hype train four months ago think GPT prompting itself is "autonomy" and a human prompting and specifically selecting an image made by a statistical computer program is "AI understanding aesthetics". It's tiresome how little people understand about what this tech is, and yet they speak almost gleefully about people being replaced.
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@ERICROJO156 They say there is an art to prompting Midjourney to actually have some control over its style. To me that is pure tedium.
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@DanielRodrigues-bx6lr Soulless tech bros don't get it.
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@DanielRodrigues-bx6lr Brains are not prediction machines. To suggest otherwise is all anyone needs to know about your "expertise"
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@McSlobo No free time. If ya don't work, ya don't eat. Office workers should get in the mines with everyone else!
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@ghost mall It hit a boiling point. The idea is that this tech will reach a point of unstoppable growth.
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@codinginflow The law is behind this emergent tech, and I think the arguments that have been made in court for not protecting voices wont hold up any longer.
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It's because right now tech savvy musicians are making this "ai generated" music with the help of linguistic and voice cloning models. There is still a human element composing these memes. Now it's entirely possible an AI could compose this kind music by numbers eventually.
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People really have no taste these days?
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Yes, your vocal cords... and yet your face is copyright-able. It's just skin and bone, right? The law will change.
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