Comments by "Андрей Борцов" (@Mentol_) on "How the Germans Cheated the Versailles Treaty" video.
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"The main force fighting Red Army in Finland was working class" - White government after the victory in the civil war by force suppressed any left opposition and began to pursue its policy (this means the action of propaganda).
"I think, they just didn't want to be liberated by Russians" - The Finnish government did not tell its people about the beginning of pre-war talks with the USSR. Thus, in the eyes of ordinary Finns, the USSR committed an unjustified aggression. For the ruling class, this is good news, because now the government = the interests of the nation.
"Last year Finland was nominated the happiest country of the world" - if you want you can justify almost everything, but why? How should the modern rating (the form of information warfare) testify to the correct course of the Finnish government in the 20th century?
"I can only imagine how mega happy they would be as a 16th Soviet Republic" - as far as I know, the Soviet Union did not plan to annex Finland. This is a form of post-war propaganda: if we can not defeat the enemy (Finland lost the winter war), then we can represent the false goals of the USSR, since if did not annex Finland in this way - it was our victory :)
"Bth, have you been to Finland?" - no. I know what you are going to appeal to. To live well is not necessarily mean to live by justice. Your privileges can be a consequence of someone's limitations. Capitalism means a market economy in which countries are developing unevenly - the privileged west (Europe, the United States, Canada, Australia) and all the rest. Within this system, not everyone can live well: strong countries exploit the weak. Ask yourself why any country in Africa or South America - can not afford a high standard of living? Because in the west it is achieved at their expense and the struggle goes for a place under the sun.
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1). "Did I used red Finns anywhere?" - if you say that the Kuusinen government was a puppet, it means that these people did not have their own opinion. So I asked you - do you deny these people the right to have their own republic which ally to the USSR?
2). "Yes, I know which categories of people went to GULAG" - what kind?
3). "In short, absolutely majority of them were decent peoole, workers and peasants" - Do you have statistics or is it just your opinion? Do you think that the Soviet government condemned these people "just like that"?
4). "How can you be sure that what the Bolshevicks meant what they wrote?" - we can only operate with documents and an understanding of socialist politics, for which imperialist wars are not characteristic.
5). "Just an example - there is no any soviet document to my knowledge justifying or even reflecting the reality of Holodomor" - and what is reality? The Soviet government helped the affected regions, including Ukraine. There are statistics:
In general, from September 1932 to December 1934, Kazakhstan received 5 million centners of grain as food aid. This is 31.2 million poods.
In total, in 1932, Ukraine received 3.2 million centners in the order of food aid, and in 1933 - 5.3 million centners. This is 53.1 million poods in total.
And on the basis of this assistance a large-scale network of canteens was organized. According to data as of May 1933, 8.8 million people ate in rural canteens in the European part of the USSR. In Ukraine, at the same time, there were 20.7 thousand canteens, to which 3 million people were attached. In total, in 1933, catering, including food during field work, reached 39 million people.
6). " All what I know - Bolshevicks wanted to take the extensive amounts (leftovers?) of grain and sunflower seeds from the peasants, to support industrialisation" - there are statistics of Soviet exports, which shows a reduction of ~ 70%.
1931 (there is no famine) - 4.91 million tons of bread.
1932 - 1.32 million tons.
1933 - 1.53 million tons.
This means that the thesis of "selling bread for industrialization" is wrong. Plus, the USSR buys food abroad.
Plus there is information about how much food was seized in Ukraine at this time:
Collected grain in Ukraine - 916 million poods of which 280 million (31%) - took the state in the form of a plan. The plan of blanks was reduced by 40% relative to 1932.
7). "It looks like you are really knowledgeable, may be your sources have more precise information?" - about war or hunger?
8). "No, I don't know if Finnland was occupied by Nazis to the end of winter war" - She was. Later, these divisions were used to strike the USSR and even a part of the Finnish divisions in the north was commanded by the German general.
There are also the words of Stalin who notes this:
On November 14, 1940, analyzing the results of the talks in Berlin, Stalin said: "Hitler's position during the talks, in particular his stubborn refusal to take into account the security interests of the USSR, his categorical refusal to stop the occupation of Finland and Romania - all this indicates that in fact preparations are being made for an attack on our country".
9). "Can you refer me to a corresponding docs?" - yes. http://www.alexanderyakovlev.org/fond/issues-doc/1001574
10). "And what happened to this "red" Koussinnen, or whatever his name was?" - lived 82 years and died in 1964.
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1). "last link doesn't open" - Poroshenko blocked this also? :)
I just bring here the conclusion of their document in Russian so as not to lose any sense:
Вывод:
а). Установлено прибытие в Финляндию через порты Вааза и Сулу до 4-х тыс. чел. немецких войск, движение по железной дороге до Рованиеми и в дальнейшем по шоссе в направлении Петсамо.
б). Немцы ведут большие работы по превращению области Финмаркен в плацдарм военных действий.
в). Необходимо продолжать изучение хода перебросок немецких войск через Финляндию и установить, следуют ли они для смены войск, находящихся в северной Норвегии, или же для усиления. Одновременно продолжать изучение связей генеральных штабов Германии и Финляндии в смысле выяснения конкретных фактов помощи, оказываемой германским командованием в строительстве финской армии и укреплений, направленных против СССР. В частности, выяснить, что из перебрасываемых немецких войск оседает в самой Финляндии. Уточнить численность немецких войск в северной Норвегии, их расположение, группировку и конкретные объекты строительства, особенно в районе Киркенес.
Начальник Разведывательного Управления
Генштаба Красной Армии
генерал-лейтенант (ГОЛИКОВ)
РГВА. Ф. 29. Оп. 35. Д. 98. Л. 155сс-157сс. Машинопись на бланке. Копия. Автограф. (04.10.1940 ).
2). "Can you lead me to the source, if you know it?" - I'm sorry, but I did not study Lenin's works well enough, I know only the basic points. Such a quote did not hear ...
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