Comments by "Андрей Борцов" (@Mentol_) on "TimeGhost History"
channel.
-
19
-
"The Curzon line was created after the Polish-Soviet war had started" - formally - yes, in fact - it was already created thanks to the action of objective factors. Poland violated this border, ignored the wishes of the West and committed aggression.
"Another thing is that there was no such things as "the ethnic border" in eastern europe seeing how Poles made up a large group in urban areas in Lithuania, Ukraine" - The process of colonization occurs mainly through the population of cities. Thus, the inhabitants of the city - mostly colonists, rural residents - form the core of the ethnic border of the nation.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Nationalities_in_Second_Polish_Republic_ca._1931.png?uselang=ru
"A worldwide revolution was the ultimate goal of Lenin/Trotsky goverment" - after the seizure of power in October 1917, Lenin said in his article that "now we are defensists" ie, defenders of the socialist revolution. The support of revolutionary movements in other countries does not mean "the conquest of Europe for Russia" because it contradicts the socialist principles of politics.
"they used it as a casus belli to subjugate former imperial provinces in the Caucasus, Central Asia" - restoration of the territorial integrity of your state. The creation of national republics and the conclusion of an equal treaty with them. Why do you think that all these people were against cooperation?
"and Poland alongside the Baltic states and Finland were amongst Soviet goals of conquest" - can you confirm this by documentary? I mean, why does the creation of Soviet socialist respubles mean to you - conquest? Conquest is imperialist policy within the framework of the capitalist model. Poland conquered part of Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania and restricted these people in rights - this is a policy of conquest and colonization. The USSR pursued a policy of creating equal treaties and did not restrict any nationality in its rights - it is a policy of cooperation.
"but it is certain that the Soviets attacked first" - In 1919, after the departure of the German army, the Red Army came to the territory of Belarus and Lithuania. On January 10, 1919 Minsk was take and the Byelorussian SSR was proclaimed. On January 27, Lithuania was included, and the republic became the Lithuanian-Belarusian SSR. On February 3, the republic joined the federation with the RSFSR.
On the other hand, Polish troops were came, with the aim of restoring Polish borders within the Rzecz Pospolita (imperialist policy). On February 9-14, 1919, the Polish units occupied the Kobrin-Pruzhany line. The Polish-Soviet front was formed. On February 28, the units of General Ivashkevich were attacked Soviet troops on the Shchara River and on March 1 they occupied Slonim.
16
-
12
-
11
-
5
-
4
-
Here are some data on military production for 1942.
Germany produced 1.37 million rifles, 232.000 submachine guns, 117.000 machine guns, 40.500 artillery pieces, 9800 mortars, 6200 tanks, 11.600 aircraft, 241 ships.
USSR produced 4 million rifles, 1.5 million submachine guns, 356.000 machine guns, 127.000 artillery pieces, 230.000 mortars, 24,400 tanks, 21,700 aircraft, 15 ships.
So the USSR created more weapons in 1942 than Germany (excluding ships) despite the loss of territory after the occupation.
4
-
4
-
4
-
4
-
3
-
3
-
> First of all you provide no references for your data.
Official data from any source. I can give a screenshot, but the data is in Russian.
> In fact they always lied about almost everything.
Demonization is a form of propaganda.
> If you did not tell Stalin good news (lied) then you were likely to be shot or sent to the gulag.
No proof from you. Again demonisation.
> Second based on the GDP numbers
GDP is not a reliable criterion for the economy because it contains things that have nothing to do with the strength of the economy, such as the volume of securities. Secondly, GDP is not valid for socialism because it creates fewer papers and has a different structure.
> Although for the year 1942 it shows the USSR GDP much lower than Germany’s that year, which makes your numbers highly suspicious.
Because GDP is a bad criterion.
> By definition this means that more of the USSR’s GDP had to go to basic survival stuff, leaving much less for building armaments.
USSR used about 55% of its budget for war (like England). Data from official sources.
> Hitler inherited a market economy with world leading industries and more importantly the talent to build these industries. Stalin inherited an agrarian economy without any of the talent to build war industries.
By 1937, the USSR surpassed Germany in terms of gross industrial production. Official data.
> It takes talent, including management talent to run these industries something the USSR had none
The fact remains - Germany is destroyed. The effectiveness of the Soviet system at any level (military, economic, ideological) is confirmed.
> high level generals in the USSR admitted how important lend lease was to their survival after the fall of the USSR.
They recognized this during the de-Stalinization campaign. But it is important for us that union aid does not give the USSR economic advantage over Germany. The USSR had to do dirty work relying on its own forces.
> Bottom line you are pushing communist propaganda hopefully unwittingly.
The task of the investigation is the restoration of historical events at the time of their life. Your message hints that the Soviet system has no advantages and wins the war randomly. This is primitive propaganda.
> The KGB had a name for people in the West that pushed their propaganda, they called them “useful idiots”.
Only if you trust the words of some dissidents.
3
-
3
-
3
-
3
-
> And this bullshit explaination is why no fucking human being should ever judge actions on their final consequences, but also on the fucking trail of death that they leave on their wake.
Two world wars occurred due to the crisis of the capitalist system (the struggle for economic markets). Do I have to say that "capitalism is evil, period?". This is how propaganda works.
> if you think that you can JUSTIFY the death of 4 millions people in ANY way. Socialism is EVIL, and governemental intervention in the economy led to these deaths. Period.
Helping the affected regions is also government intervention.
In general, from September 1932 to December 1934, Kazakhstan received 5 million centners of grain as food aid. This is 31.2 million poods.
In total, in 1932, Ukraine received 3.2 million centners in the order of food aid, and in 1933 - 5.3 million centners. This is 53.1 million poods in total.
And on the basis of this assistance a large-scale network of canteens was organized. According to data as of May 1933, 8.8 million people ate in rural canteens in the European part of the USSR. In Ukraine, at the same time, there were 20.7 thousand canteens, to which 3 million people were attached. In total, in 1933, catering, including food during field work, reached 39 million people.
3
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
1. You evaluate the Polish population in eastern Poland from the point of view of Polish historiography, but the USSR does not rely on this point of view - it relies on its own. For the Soviet point of view, it is characteristic that the land belongs to peasants, most of whom are Ukrainians and Belarusians, and the Polish majority in some cities such as Lviv was considered colonial influence. This is true not only for Poles, but also for Russians in eastern Ukraine. Thus, the Polish colonists were deported after annexation, which is logical. This is not revisionism because the USSR is based on its opinion, and not on the opinion of Polish historiography.
2. All I want to tell you is that you evaluate Soviet policy from the point of view of Soviet interests, and not from the point of view of the interests of other countries (this gives you false conclusions).
3. There is a documentary speech by Hitler in May 1939, when he said that war with Poland is inevitable. Germany does not need Soviet consent to invade Poland. Germany is between two fronts - Polish and French. The lack of military coordination between the two countries made the Polish defeat inevitable. Soviet intervention was not predetermined, and in the event of a large French offensive in the west of the USSR, may remain aloof.
Soviet-Finnish negotiations on changing the border began in the spring of 1938 and were not related to the pact with Germany.
The USSR annexed the Baltic states after Germany destroyed France. This was done to ensure their own security because military bases did not give good protection. The USSR did not want to make the mistake France made when it refused to invade the Benelux countries and this had negative consequences for it.
Romania annexed Bessarabia in 1918. The USSR did not recognize this and returned it to the region in 1940. Plus Bukovina is where the Ukrainians lived. This is not a crime. Crime is inaction. Do you understand the difference?
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
@soulrebel2531 If you are talking about Russia, then maybe you should know the opinion of the citizens of this country first of all? Most people associate the Soviet government with the achievements of industry, the victory in WW2, the elimination of illiteracy of the population, and achievements in the space sector. Only a minority associate this government with repressions. And this is not surprising because, according to statistics, only about 2% of Soviet citizens were affected by the policy of terror.
In any case, in a decent society, it is customary to first check information for reliability and only then use it as an argument. You took your number "50 million killed Russians" from a source unknown to me. But judging by the fact that this number is rounded and does not correspond to Soviet statistics, it is most likely a product of propaganda. Why don't you want to check this information for accuracy? Is it that difficult for you? Why can't you find information about the fact that the Bolsheviks were never liberals and therefore does not make any sense to evaluate their policies from a point of view that condemns terror? On the contrary, the Bolsheviks used terror as a way to defend their version of democracy.
1
-
1
-
1