Comments by "D W" (@DW-op7ly) on "Beddoes: China is Uninvestable for Outsiders" video.

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  7. 90% of the Chinese families own a home 80% without any encumbrances In China in 2008 around 70% of the people in their real estate markets were buying their 1st homes in their cities By 2018 around 70% of the people in their real estate markets were buying their 2nd and 3rd homes in their cities That’s why you are hearing about problems with their property developers these days. Because back in 2010? Their Central Government started cutting of money flow to these developers. Thus why you heard about Shadow Banks and Underground Economy back then, that their Government had to come into to shutdown or regulate. Even then, It took them almost 14 years to get their overheated real estate under control Heck they were about to introduce a nation wide property tax, but then trump started the trade war in 2018 Why is their Central Government doing this? Because there are still a few hundred million poorer rural folk they still expect to move to the cities to join their more well off urban city folk countrymen. Problem is these property developers were building higher end homes, and not building the affordable homes these rural migrants will need In China Owning a home in the city you migrate to? Affects your employment, health, education and even marriage prospects don’t have a house you don’t get married Thus the common prosperity push and the crackdown on the overt displays of wealth in China Their Government probably figured out you disenfranchise the people at the bottom of your society they are the ones most likely to act out in protest
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  8. China could have used that option in the trade war but they didn’t What most people don’t get? Is it is US multinationals making the lion share of those profits inflating the trade deficit between China to the USA Where Chinese companies trade with their Belt and Road country partners These IS multinationals are also using illegal labour from South East Asia. Or more and more automation in their wholly owned factories in China These are the same companies who got those trump tax cuts you for sure cheered about Same companies based in China who derived 392 billion in sales in Chinese domestic markets in 2018 when trump started his trade war Same companies whose high flying stocks are in your 401k/Pensions Same companies who the American farmer and consumer were sacrificing so they could get more or better access into those Chinese Domestic markets Why didn’t China pull the nuclear option and boot these companies you might ask? They don’t believe in a zero sum game type of thinking As I can show you during the trade war. China. didn’t pull out their big trade weapons šŸ‘‡ Trump’s ā€˜trade war’ with China won’t be so easy to win Having learned these value chain lessons, Beijing has worked hard to bring more of the high-value-adding parts of value chains into China, and to build hi-tech industries in which it can establish a globally competitive position. China has successfully done this in areas like high-speed trains (CRRC), digital telecoms networks (Huawei), drones (DJI) and hi-tech batteries (BYD). Trump’s team is not wrong to be worried about China’s competitive emergence here, and to target these new-tech sectors in the latest trade war sortie.But here’s the problem: China exports almost none of these new-tech products to the US, making US tariff threats meaningless. Rather, they go to developing economy markets – many embraced by the Belt and Road initiative – where China has succeeded in building a hi-tech, high-value brand reputation. As Trump’s team will quickly learn, the challenge of finding China’s pain points is bigger than expected: for a decade China’s priority has been to base growth on the domestic consumer economy and reduce reliance on the low-value-adding export processing industries (many of which are US- or Hong Kong-owned and concentrated in the Pearl River Delta) SCMP
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  16. For the west it’s about China closing itself off to them especially the USA It not about trade deficits because we in the west tend to consume more than we produce So we trade with XYZ country we will have trade deficit with them Our western countries /multinational corporations want more or better access to Chinese domestic markets, even though in 2018 when trump started his trade war just US multinationals based in China alone and their subsidiaries, had 392 billion in sales for their goods and services in China In China in 2008 around 70% of the people in their real estate markets were buying their 1st homes in their cities By 2018 around 70% of the people in their real estate markets were buying their 2nd and 3rd homes in their cities Which their Government in 2010 started to crackdown on this speculation Which our western 1%ters and their multinational corporations don’t like They wanted those overheated real estate markets. They want those Chinese buying their 4th and 5th homes right about now Even though there is a few hundred million less well off rural folks, who they are expecting to migrate to the cities where they can’t find affordable housing as Property Developers build higher end homes that make them more money That’s because our western 1%ters and their multinational corporations want to be the ones loaning out that money for those homes getting at those high Chinese saving's getting them to spend them on their goods and services and then borrowing to spend some more like they did to us (although we played our part) šŸ‘‡ Project Syndicate The value of global China China faces important questions about whether and to what extent it should continue to pursue opening up its economy to the rest of the world, write Jonathan Woetzel and Jeongmin Seong in Project Syndicate. In any case, China and the world face important questions about the trajectory of their mutual engagement. At stake, according to our simulation, may be some $22-37 trillion in economic value – or 15-26% of world GDP – by 2040. McKinsey
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  18. The main FDI investors in China were the Chinese Diaspora šŸ‘‡ The Chinese diaspora’s role in the rise of China But those who are have played a pivotal role in developing China’s export industries, and mediating its economic integration with the region in ways that have allowed China to grow fast while retaining key features of its pre-1979 political economy. As such, the diaspora has effectively given China a resource unavailable to any previous rising power. From the outset of China’s economic reform era, diaspora Chinese have provided the lion’s share of inward foreign investment. This has been concentrated in export-oriented sectors, driving growth of transnational production networks that today bind China’s neighbours to it through the world’s most integrated intraregional trading system. But this outcome was not pre-ordained. In the 1980s, China was still a capital-poor country, racked by political battles over the direction of economic reform. During these uncertain years, diaspora investors were more persistent than their foreign competitors in China, relying on cultural and ancestral ties to offset political risk. They also directly shaped the reform debates: diaspora entrepreneurs served in the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference and the National People’s Congress, cultivating relationships all the way up to Deng Xiaoping. They influenced the conception and implementation of special economic zones (SEZs). And the technology and capital they sunk into these SEZs powered the take-off of China’s export industries, weighing the political scales in favour of continued liberalisation and opening. EASTASIAFORUM
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  24. You are clueless What most people don’t get? Is it is US multinationals making the lion share of those profits inflating the trade deficit between China to the USA Where Chinese companies trade with their Belt and Road country partners These multinationals are also using illegal labour from South East Asia. Or more and more automation in their wholly owned factories in China These are the same companies who got those trump tax cuts you for sure cheered about Same companies based in China who derived 392 billion in sales in Chinese domestic markets in 2018 when trump started his trade war Same companies whose high flying stocks are in your 401k/Pensions Same companies who the American farmer and consumer were sacrificing so they could get more or better access into those Chinese Domestic markets Why didn’t China pull the nuclear option and boot these companies you might ask? They don’t believe in a zero sum game type of thinking As I can show you during the trade war. China. didn’t pull out their big trade weapons šŸ‘‡ Trump’s ā€˜trade war’ with China won’t be so easy to win Having learned these value chain lessons, Beijing has worked hard to bring more of the high-value-adding parts of value chains into China, and to build hi-tech industries in which it can establish a globally competitive position. China has successfully done this in areas like high-speed trains (CRRC), digital telecoms networks (Huawei), drones (DJI) and hi-tech batteries (BYD). Trump’s team is not wrong to be worried about China’s competitive emergence here, and to target these new-tech sectors in the latest trade war sortie. But here’s the problem: China exports almost none of these new-tech products to the US, making US tariff threats meaningless. Rather, they go to developing economy markets – many embraced by the Belt and Road initiative – where China has succeeded in building a hi-tech, high-value brand reputation. As Trump’s team will quickly learn, the challenge of finding China’s pain points is bigger than expected: for a decade China’s priority has been to base growth on the domestic consumer economy and reduce reliance on the low-value-adding export processing industries (many of which are US- or Hong Kong-owned and concentrated in the Pearl River Delta) SCMP
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  26. And let’s be honest about what you are really alluding to The western multinationals went to China at the time because of their weak labour laws, weak environmental laws, mass pool of cheap labour they could pay dollar a day wages to And yes weak IP laws that went along with it We didn’t do them any favours paying those dollar a day wages In exchange the western multinationals traded knowledge and investment This was nothing new, the west goes to 3rd world or developing nation takes advantages of this country until the locals complain about wages, pollution, or environmental damages. Western multinationals pick up and run for it. Difference is the Chinese didn’t complain they put up with those dollar a day wages making 22 times less than what an average American worker made. Yet saved 30% of those wages over 30 plus years. Indirectly loaning those saving to those Americans so they could spend their savings and borrow to spend some more. While the Chinese took those savings invested or made a business with their savings Yeah sure we expected them to buy 1 billion toothbrushes and 2 billion socks What we didn’t expect was for them to enrich themselves My proof even before our western Governments and western corporations pushed for Chinas inclusion into the WTO? Our top of the food chain 1%ters and their TOOBIGTOFAIL investment banks, worked out the worst deal ever for themselves A 33% interest in a Joint Venture Banking Subsidiary where the Chinese parent bank held a 67% interest
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  28. Btw if you have only been in China the last 10 years Then you have only seen a Government that is trying to slowdown its economy I’ve been researching, investing and living in on and off China since the 1980s In fact from and Investing point of view started dumping out Chinese real estate stocks in 2010 šŸ‘‡ Business Economics China Increases Banks’ Reserve Ratios to Cool Prices By Bloomberg News December 10, 2010 at 4:08 AM PST šŸ‘‡ China raises banks' reserve ratios again Reuters December 10, 20104:27 AM PSTUpdated 13 years ago Dec 10, 2010 — The 50 basis point increase, which takes effect on Dec 20, will leave required reserve ratios at 18.5 percent šŸ‘‡ China Property Market ā€˜Bubble’ Set to Burst, Xie Says By Bloomberg News February 1, 2010 at 11:51 PM PST China’s property market ā€œbubbleā€ is set to burst as the government curbs credit growth and clamps down on speculation, according to independent economist Andy Xie. šŸ‘‡ China cracks down on speculators to cool prices BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS NOV. 23, 2010 The government has ordered banks twice in the past three weeks to raise the amount of money they hold in reserves to rein in lending growth. šŸ‘‡ China cracks down on property speculation Source:Global Times Published: 2010 The Chinese government has raised the down payment for second-home buyers to a minimum 50 percent of the value from 40 percent, in a bid to curb property speculation. The decision was announced in a statement released Thursday after conclusion of an executive meeting of the State Council, the Cabinet, presided over by Premier Wen Jiabao, on Wednesday. First-home buyers must pay no less than 30 percent of the the property price if the area is above 90 square meters, the statement said. The government was stepping up the introduction of tax policies to influence purchases and adjust property investment returns, said the statement. Nationwide, land use for the construction of low-income housing, shanty town renovation and small and medium-sized homes (below 90 square meters) should account for at least 70 percent of the land approved for property development, the statement said. It also urged local authorities to accelerate housing construction approvals to ensure effective land supply, and crack down on land hoarding and speculatory behavior.
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  35. Btw were you not the winner who said he went to China starting 10 years ago???? I’m giving you these articles to show you their Government was cracking down on real estate and basically 30% of their economy and where Chinese people store their wealth 14 years ago Stick to your poems English teacher in China šŸ‘‡ Huge Price Cuts Rumored From Chinese Developers Due To Collapsing Demand Vincent Fernando, CFA May 29, 2010 Demand is falling since China's central government announced stricter regulations for property transactions during the middle of April. These involve higher down payments and mortgage rates for the purchase of second home, and act which is seen as potential speculation. Such tightening is reducing buying demand. Thus a moderately bearish view is that property prices need to come down, since demand is likely down yet supply is the same. This challenge isn't limited to Shanghai: China Vanke Co, the country's largest publicly listed developer, may cut apartment prices by 10 to 30 percent within three months, the Beijing News said yesterday, citing an unidentified sales agent. Local Vanke officials declined to comment yesterday. Yet Shanghai is where things could get the ugliest, the earliest. This is because the local Shanghai government is planning to clamp down on speculation even harder than China's central government already has: Chen Qiwei, a spokesman for the Shanghai municipal government, did not preclude the possibility of levying property tax when asked about this issue at a press conference on Friday. "Shanghai will take more strict measures in line with the central government policy," Chen said, adding that more efforts will be made in building economically affordable houses and cracking down on speculative house purchasing. Other cities such as Beijing, Chongqing, and Shenzen could have similar additional taxes, but Shanghai is the first to make an official comment such as above according to China Daily. Thing is, any action from Shanghai will likely need approval from the central government. BusinessInsider šŸ‘‡ Business Economics China Increases Banks’ Reserve Ratios to Cool Prices By Bloomberg News December 10, 2010 at 4:08 AM PST šŸ‘‡ China raises banks' reserve ratios again Reuters December 10, 20104:27 AM PSTUpdated 13 years ago Dec 10, 2010 — The 50 basis point increase, which takes effect on Dec 20, will leave required reserve ratios at 18.5 percent šŸ‘‡ China Property Market ā€˜Bubble’ Set to Burst, Xie Says By Bloomberg News February 1, 2010 at 11:51 PM PST China’s property market ā€œbubbleā€ is set to burst as the government curbs credit growth and clamps down on speculation, according to independent economist Andy Xie. šŸ‘‡ China cracks down on speculators to cool prices BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS NOV. 23, 2010 The government has ordered banks twice in the past three weeks to raise the amount of money they hold in reserves to rein in lending growth. šŸ‘‡ China cracks down on property speculation Source:Global Times Published: 2010 The Chinese government has raised the down payment for second-home buyers to a minimum 50 percent of the value from 40 percent, in a bid to curb property speculation. The decision was announced in a statement released Thursday after conclusion of an executive meeting of the State Council, the Cabinet, presided over by Premier Wen Jiabao, on Wednesday. First-home buyers must pay no less than 30 percent of the the property price if the area is above 90 square meters, the statement said. The government was stepping up the introduction of tax policies to influence purchases and adjust property investment returns, said the statement. Nationwide, land use for the construction of low-income housing, shanty town renovation and small and medium-sized homes (below 90 square meters) should account for at least 70 percent of the land approved for property development, the statement said. It also urged local authorities to accelerate housing construction approvals to ensure effective land supply, and crack down on land hoarding and speculatory behavior.
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