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@ringtail1410 I’m simply asking what those rights to culture actually look like? How are those rights enacted if not legally? Is it simply bragging rights? I find it odd that you argue so hard for something you cannot clearly explain. Even your examples are circular and repetitive.
Lammy said he was English because he was born in England. You think being English is about ethnicity. English is an umbrella term for a number of closely- related ethnicities, but scientifically speaking, there is no single English race. If the England football and cricket teams accept non-white players, a precedent is set as how can you represent England and not be English? Hence why Lammy was comfortable using it presumably. So it’s essentially a matter of semantics.
I don’t agree with Lammy by the way, but I also cannot say he is categorically wrong under all the current definitions of that word. You see, what you are advocating is keeping sections of society separate on the basis of race, a philosophy which bears similarity to pre-civil rights US or apartheid South Africa.
What’s ironic is that on the one hand you passionately claim that indigenous people have exclusive rights (Australia, US, etc). However wherever English people have settled, they have systematically and prolifically deprived the indigenous people of those very same rights in those very countries you keep citing. How can you account for that?
And I’m genuinely asking in order to understand, I’m not being disingenuous believe it or not.
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@ringtail1410 I know what English culture looks like, what I don’t know, and clearly you don’t either, is what the ‘right to that culture’ looks like.
I said no such thing about English culture not being unique to Britain. That’s ridiculous. It’s a classic right wing tactic you feel you have to use and it’s not going to work on me.
So how is it that people of English heritage born in Australia, Canada, NZ etc are not considered anything but people from those places. Why is it one rule for them, another for the rest? Does being of English origin give Carte blanche to the world?
I think we both know you’re the only misty-eyed imperialist here. Anglo-Celt is an ethnicity, yes, English is not. It’s a much broader term and therefore Lammy may see it from one dimension, and I from another but we can both be right. So there is no contraction to answer for here.
So what’s your idea of integration? Do you think it’s possible in this country under any circumstances? And if not, do you advocate the deportation of people? Or in lieu of that, their demotion to second class citizen status as non- indigenous Brits?
You think I’m debating in bad faith when I’m actually to understand the mindset of the ‘majority’ view.
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