Comments by "Acid Joke" (@PWMoze) on "Double Down News"
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Governments in the West = DINOs. Brilliant. But has it ever been different? Have our democracies ever been more democratic, if so when? In my experience, since the Thatcher era, there has been a general slide towards limiting civil liberties not a broadening.
For example: people who protested against the Poll Tax, travellers and those who lived in 'The Convoy', anti-road protesters, hunt saboteurs, the Stone Henge free festival suppoters, squatters, unionists etc etc, all these popular movements led to law changes that would make their 'anti social' activities illegal or at least much more difficult to participate in without being prosecuted.
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@samirabenalia6473 There was never a 'time of Adam'. I think, like many people in this thread, you need a history lesson based upon facts rather than legend, misinformation and mythology. Allow me to provide one.
The earliest historical records show that the area in question (which we shall call 'The Levant' so as to show no bias) was inhabited by the Canaanites. They were followed by the Egyptians and then, some time after 'the Bronze Age collapse', the Israelites. They were there for 414 years and established the Kingdom Of Judah. They were eventually replaced by the Babylonians, The Persians, The Greeks, interrupted briefly by the Hasmoneans or the Maccabee rebellion. This period was followed by a period of occupation by The Romans, then the Byzantine Empire, the Christians, the Sassanids and then the Muslim Caliphate under the Umayyad dynasty and later the Abassid dynasty. They were then followed by the Tulunids, The Falamids, The Seljuk Turks, The Christian Crusaders, The Ayyubids, The Khwarezmians, The Mamluks and The Ottomans who remained for 400 years.
After WW1 the British and French assumed control over the entire region, with the British eventually passing responsibility for the region to the newly created states of Israel and Jordan. Finally this led to Israeli control of the region.
Throughout all that time it was under Islamic control for 1,283 years, Judaism for 1,197 years, Christianity for 410 years.
The people who occupied it for the longest were the Romans for 683 years, the ancient tribe of Judahites for 414 years and the Ottoman Turkss for 401 years.
It has never been ruled over by the group we now call the Palestinians.
If you are able, therefore, to conclude that a certain ethnic, religious or cultural group has more right to the Levant than another, you are probably over-simplifying. The future peace will based upon compromise, tolerance and co-operation, not fanaticism and religious dogma. Learn from history and then you might not repeat it.
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@samirabenalia6473 There was never a 'time of Adam'. I think, like many people in this thread, you need a history lesson based upon facts rather than legend, misinformation and mythology. Allow me to provide one.
The earliest historical records show that the area in question (which we shall call 'The Levant' so as to show no bias) was inhabited by the Canaanites. They were followed by the Egyptians and then, some time after 'the Bronze Age collapse', the Israelites. They were there for 414 years and established the Kingdom Of Judah. They were eventually replaced by the Babylonians, The Persians, The Greeks, interrupted briefly by the Hasmoneans or the Maccabee rebellion. This period of occupancy was followed by The Romans, the Byzantine Empire, the Christians, the Sassanids and then the Muslim Caliphate under the Umayyad dynasty and then later the Abassid dynasty. They were then followed by the Tulunids, The Falamids, The Seljuk Turks, The Christian Crusaders, The Ayyubids, The Khwarezmians, The Mamluks and The Ottomans Turks who remained for 400 years.
After WW1 the British assumed control eventually passng responsibility for the region to the ewly formed states of Israel and the Jordan. This eventually led to Israeli control.
Throughout all that time the land was under Islamic control for 1,283 years, Judaism for 1,197 years, Christianity for 410 years.
The people who occupied it for the longest were the Romans for 683 years, the Judahites for 414 years and the Ottomans for 401 years.
It has never been ruled over by the group we now call the Palestinians.
If you are able, therefore, to conclude that a certain ethnic, religious or cultural group has more right to the Levant than another, you are probably over-simplifying. The future peace will based upon compromise, co-operation and tolerance not fanaticism and religious dogma.
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Disappointed with this content DDN. I've no objection to his stance on Palestine, but Its quite possible that people are so ready to misinterpret Roger Water's work at this time because of the various ill informed, rambling speeches that he has made on other subjcts in recent years.
He has defended Russian agression in Ukraine, he has defended the CCP, he has spread various conspiracy theories about COVID and usually has very little statistical evidence or data to back any of it up.
He is not bothered about evidence, he prefers invective, and swearing! He belittles people who don't agree with his perspective and usually insults them rather than debating with them.
He presents his case in such a rambling, haphazard way, its often quite difficult to follow the logic or divorce it from all the ad hominem attacks.
His grandiose statements about how he has been 'cancelled' because he is an existential threat to Isreal seems narcissistic, egotistical and frankly highly unlikely. It doesn't help the cause. In fact, in relation to the state brutality of Israel, I think his raging speeches alienate sensible people from the issue, rather than bringing people over to the right side of the debate.
He does more harm than good with all his shouting and swearing. It doesn't make his argument stronger. And by the way, what reading exactly should we all do Roger? No doubt all the same books as him I suppose, and not the ones that counter his arguments because they must automatically be 'propaganda' and lies. He may well dismiss the mainstream media, but come on Roger, anyone with a world tour, huge record sales and an international platform is pretty mainstream too, surely?
I know his fans will probably disagree with me, but I think he should stick to playing the bass and leave the political speeches to people who are not self-entitled, multi-millionaire meglomaniacs. And also apparently probably half drunk? People who are better at presenting their argument and better at debating with others rather than shouting at them and calling them rude names.
And by the way Roger you did not write 'Dark Side of the Moon' and 'Wish You Were Here' they were a collaborative effort with Dave Gilmore, Rick Wright. Even Nick Mason contributed towards some of it. I always preferred the Syd Barett stuff anyway. And Dave Gilmore was a much better singer by the way.
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'No war against Iran, I believe love all is the high plan.' Sounds like a lovely Christian message, unfortunately the Iranian regime does not think along those lines.
If you don't believe me then ask any of the hundreds of thousands who had to leave Iran because the Islamic revolution and their children who can never return. Ask about all the Socialists who helped the regime take power and were then murdered after it happened. Ask about the women who are persucuted and murdered for not wearing the hijab. Ask those who still fight for democracy and freedom of speech within Iran. Ask all the innocent people who's lives are lost and homes are destroyed by missiles bought with Iranian money for their proxy militias. Ask about the Azidis, the Iraqis, the Sunnis, the Jews and the Christians murdered by Iranian sponsored Shia militia groups. Ask the parents of children killed in Iraqi hospitals bombed by Iranian backed terrorists. Ask about those who suffer at the hands of the Iranian backed Houtis in Yemen. Ask any Saudi what they think of the Iranian regime, or people from the UAE, or Egyptians, the Syrians, the Lebanese, Iraqis or people from any Sunni nation. Ask Salman Rushdie.
The idea that you should love a fanatical enemy entirely dedicated to your destruction is ridiculous and if you don't believe we are dealing with fanatics, then listen to the indoctrinated's child speech at the end of the song.
Love your enemy? Yeah, I'd like to see Lowkey do it.
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Is there not an inherent contradiction in a 'revolutionary' communist running for election?
You can forgive Fiona's youthful naivety, she has obviously avoided looking too closely at how brutal communist regimes have been throughout history, but Roger Waters has no excuse. His characterisation of communism as simply 'co-operating with each other and not making profits' isn't even childish, it's moronic.
Fiona obviously thinks this moment in history is especially bad and that it has finally created the correct conditions for a communist uprising, led by radical young people, with a 'controlled economy' and the seizure and compulsory redistribution of wealth. She obviously hasn't looked too closely at how terrible conditions were before, inbetween and after the two world wars. She is obviously unaware of what happened In Europe, China, South America and Africa where it had all been done before. Sadly, not a single successful example of it working out okay for 'the workers', or anybody else for that matter. No communist utopia, no socialist paradise, no successful planned economies, no new wealth created after it has been stolen and redistributed and no successful workers' unions running countries for the betterment of their members.
Meanwhile Roger seems to have confused colonialism with piracy and spends so little time in the UK he can not even correctly name Suella Braverman. Was he drunk?
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12 years of Tory government has brought us to our knees. We are now expected to silently stand by while a minute number of rich, middle aged, white men select another Thatcher wannabe to over-see our continued chaotic economic decline and facilitate the movement of public funds to private pockets.
We need an opposition who will robustly support underpaid, under valued, over worked public sector workers in their struggle for pay, conditions and job security. We need an opposition prepared to demand windfall taxes, a rise in corporation tax, to cap petrol and power prices, stop unfair profits and dividends being syphoned off into senior executive bonuses and share holders' pockets. We need High Street prices capped, wages that at least match inflation, stop the selling off of NHS services, cap rents, close tax loop holes. To overtly state that their intention is to redistribute the wealth of this nation from the already wealthy to the increasingly vunerable.
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