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Here in the UK, it seems strikes are no longer confined to blue collar workers. As well as railway workers, nurses, ambulance drivers, teachers, postal workers, care workers etc being forced to strike by below inflation wages, compulsory redundancies, employment terms and conditions being eroded, we now have middle class professionals striking too, such as junior doctors, medical consultants even criminal court barristers.
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As soon as he started saying 'London is great' he lost me.
Try being part of a traditional white working class community being squeezed out of your own neighbourhood by a combination of gentrification and mass immigration, shopping at local shops where you are served by people who can't talk English, who no longer sell the products you want, where you are treated with suspicion and sometimes outright hostility because of your race, religion or ethnicity. Try holding on to your traditional cultural values when, not only the people surrounding you don't share them, but they are being denigrated in local schools, by local councils, by the media and the broader community. Try spending some time in any average London Secondary School. Try getting a council flat. Try finding a fair rent. Try buying a house. Try having your home regulalrly burgled, or your bike stolen, or your car broken into, knowing that the police will do nothing. Try finding someone who is prepared to be a witness when a crimes occurs, even in broad daylight. Try walking around at night when you are constantly at risk of being mugged, having to avoid gang related drug and knife crime, random violent attacks, imported ethnic conflicts, two tier policing and anti white racism. Try objecting to a Palestinian or Rainbow flag being strung up outside your house. Try complaining about your Nigerian neighbours' anti-social behaviour to your Nigerian local council housing officer. Try driving around London regularly, trying to avoid all the parking restrictions, bus lanes, cycle lanes and traffic flow restrictions. Try to avoid getting a parking ticket or an extortionate Transport for London driving fine Try objecting to Ramadam and Eid being observed and celebrated, to the exclusion of Easter, in your work place. Try asking for help if you are elderly or disabled. Try getting an appointment with your local dentist or GP. Try getting a place for your kid at the only decent school in your neighbourhood.
Just try asking for directions and you'll see the social disconnect that currently exists in London: no one knows the city beyond their own ghetto, no one speaks the language properly, no one knows the social history of their own area. Try riding on the tube or catching a bus late at night. Try talking to a stranger in a shop or in a neighbourhood you do not know. Try avoiding the needles and the homeless winos when you go to your local park. Try finding a swimming pool, library or local pub that is still open.
Talk about luxury values; he hasn't got a clue. London is great when you are millionaire celebrity Jimmy Carr, not so great for everyone else.
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The movement towards the right in Europe is not a flash in the pan. It is currently happening in Denmark, Sweden, Holland, Belgium, Germany, France, Portugal and is already in operation in Italy, Hungary and Austria. In the UK the current rise in popularity of Nigel Farage's Reform Party (not far right, more right of centre) indicates a disillusionment with the centrist, liberal consensus and globalist economics and a move towards right leaning, popularist movements.
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Much respect Joe, your content continues to tell it like it is.
Second homes, property prices, business rates, no more EU subsidies, no new affordable housing, no fault evictions, bankrupt local councils causing social service cuts, the decline of local industries, benefit cuts. They were all like slow bullets,: everyone saw disaster coming, no one did anything.
Cornwall is an unusual case as a county because, unlike more urbanised county areas, it has very low immigration stats. So this just goes to show how successive Tory governments have treated their own people, in mostly conservative constituencies.
Some people have made fortunes over the last decade, mostly at the expense of the most vunerable and working people, then they remove the wealth from circulation, pay as little tax as possible and claim non dom status.
There is no 'trickle down effect' with wealth and productivity and your videos are really showing this clearly.
Keep it up mate,
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I don't think it is dwindling international power and trade that Brits fear, it is more likely to be record levels of enforced mass immigration causing housing shortages, sky-rocketing rents, low wages, ever-rising house prices and cultural erosion in the form of radical Islamism and institutional wokeism.
By the way, we also have woeful public services, bankrupt local councils, a system of high crime/low prosecutions with full prisons and clogged up courts, record levels of tax, food banks, crumbling schools, continual crisis in the NHS, shrinking military, empty shops in all our high streets, homelessness, gangs, illegal immigration, drugs and knife crime.
The UK's position in the world isn't really a concern at this point.
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Another sobering bulletin.
Great use of the clips from 'Don't Look Up', a movie which found a great way of illustrating humanity's inability to process the enormity of climate change. The divisive nature of mainstream media debate, as evident from what COVID has thrown up. Constipated political systems. Self serving political figures. The failure of policy makers and global leaders. The complicity of corporations and self serving media interests. All are illustrated brilliantly in the movie.
If we trully are as unable to act decisively as that movie suggests, George is wasting his breath. We all end up like Jonathan Pie, bereft of hope and beaten by our own inability to cut through the fog of prevarication.
DD News, please start posting videos of practical steps that can be taken by isolated individuals watching videos on Youtube to avert this catastrophe? Political steps, protests, boycotts, personal life style changes, dietary changes, consumerism, consumption, employment, investment in sustainable solutions. All of it. Doom mongering is of no practical use at this stage. People need to have a sense of what they can actually and effectively do.
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The opinions held by this young man are regularly platformed and validated in our manistream media. People like Ash Sarkar, Yasmin Alibah-Brown, Dr Shola Mos-Obamimu have regular spots on tv and radio, but the anti-white, anti-British narrative they promote is never pushed back against. Note how delicately Jeremy Vine deals with Nerinda Kour when she is ranting about how 'the British committed genocide all across its Empire'. Note the BBC host, in the clip you included, deliberately allows the young man his platform and remember, it is no accident that people such as these are allowed to air these opinions, they have been deliberately invited in to speak in this way by the producers who book them. None of this is an accident, it is by design.
Also note that the person brought in to 'balance' his opinion is also from an ethnic minority group. There is never a white Anglo Saxon there to defend themselves or their nation's history. White people are never platformed, nor their values properly expressed. They have to be represented by a sympathetic person of colour such as Nana Akua. This is also no accident.
Working class white people are only included in these discussions to belittle and dismiss them, usually as 'racist' and ignorant. Accurate historic detail is never presented, context is never provided and certain ideologies are never challenged. Especially not on the BBC.
White people, on the other hand, are only validated if they are adjacent to non white people, such as in the adverts; their opinions are only valid if expressed by people of other ethnicities, their values only valued if others express them. We are never invited to argue our own case against people such as the man you included because it would be seen as far too problematic and too provocative.
This is the reason why violence at a St George's Day gathering can be shown live on Sky News, complete with a commentary of criticism and disapproval; but violence, arrests and hate specch at a pro-Palestine march can not.
We are simply given no platform to confront the narrative, if we do, we are told that we are wrong. We are being removed from the centre of our own poltical culture, written out of our own history, denied access to our own mythos and sidelined. And meanwhile people like Ash Sarkar are smiling all the way to the bank. The 'global majority' win, we lose.
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If providing 'easy answers to real problems' and then not being able to deliver them undermines trust in democracy, then Harriet Harmon's description could more accurately apply to the Labour Party, the Lib Dems or the Tories.
Case in point: Brexit, controls on immigration, controlling our own borders, the Rwanda scheme, smashing the gangs, regaining our soveriegnty, not raising taxes, delivering economic growth etc etc, blah blah blah.
Rishi Sunak's five pledges comes to mind or Starmer's milestones or or pledges or whatever he calls them at the moment. All simple solutions that buy time but are never delivered.
And who is Harmon to say Reform won't fulfill their manifesto? And, if they were to fail, why would their failuire be any more desructiven than decades of uni-party failures?
What Harman thinks of as 'democracy' is far from what the rest of us expect or deserve, with all the: unelected senior civil servants, various Bank of England officials, European law courts, Quangos, lobbyists, think tank consultants, the Supreme Court, the House of Lords, billionaire party contributors, privately employed political advisors and even the PM's wife directly influencing policy making.
That's not even including shadowy, undemocratic, globalist interest groups like the WEF and Davos.
If that is what democracy trully is in this country I hope someone like Farage is a threat to it.
Drain the Swamp!
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What was really encouraging was seeing so many right leaning, alternative media people sharing a platform; TR, Carl Benjamin, Speakers Corner John, Mayar Tousi, Lawrence Fox, Count Dankula, various ex-servicemen, the Sam Melia supporters etc. all united with one message. The only person missing was Father Calvin Robinson and he was name checked a couple of times too.
Even more encouraging was the large number of people who had travelled there, on their own, not to have a jolly-up but to show their solidarity. Then the crowd even tidied up afterwards!
What made me laugh was the protesters holding the 'Croydon anti-racist' banner shouting at black people, Sikhs, Iranians, Argentinians telling them they're all far right racists! How ironic is that?
Is this the start of a future Popularist, Centre Right Alliance? Hope so. 'Not far right, not far wrong!'
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Jimmy, a wonderful old school lefty argument but with respect you have slightly missed the point, it's not an economic problem, its a cultural one.
It hasn't been rhetoric or economic arguments that have sparked the discontent, it has been violence. Simple as that. Violence on British streets which led to three innocent little girls being murdered. People feel threatened in their daily lives and feel the need to protect their children, their sisters and their wives. They see the stabbings, the bombings, the grooming and the sexual violence all around them and on the TV and what's worse, it appears to be sanctioned by the state, or at least the state has been turning a blind eye. They see the police using softly softly methods with minorities (Leeds) but coming down heavily on those who complain about it (Whitehall). They see the undocumented asylum seekers as exacerbating this threat and the undemocratic, enforced mass immigration as underlining it. They see the weekly Hamas sympathizing marchers defying UK law, mocking the UK's Christian culture and calling for violent Jihad and anti-semitism. Now they are seeing the two tier policing too. Once again, the state (as represented by Starmer and Cooper), appearing to side against them, instead of seeking to understand their grieviences and protect them.
How did we get here? There has been a long list of violent incidents going back to the Central London bombings in 2005 when 52 were murdered, 2013 Lee Rigby, 2017 Westminster attacks: 5 killed, Manchester Arena: 20 killed, 2017 London Bridge: 2 killed, 2019 same place, two more people killed, 2020 Reading 3 stabbed to death, 2021 Liverpool Women's hospital bombed, 2021, David Ames murdered. 2022 Eritreans riot in Camberwell, 2024 Bengalis riot in Whitechapel, Roma and Pakistanis riot in Leeds. Only last week an innocent postman was pushed under a tube train by a homeless migrant for 'looking at him funny', there were machete fights in Southend and 17 knife crime stabbings. Add to that the whole grooming gangs scandal. And then the poor little girls in Southport.
The ultra wealthy did not do any of that, nor did Sikhs, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, Atheists or Christians. Islamists did.
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Once again, some great content. I find myself asking to what extent the far-left indentitarians, who patrol the corridors of the MSM and many of our institutiions, actively involve themselves in practical politics? Is it mostly a idealological stance rather than real participation in political activity?
In Inner-city South London, for example, we don't see any identitarians and CRT advocates helping out at food banks, supporting local libraries and sport facilities, fighting the cuts to social services, supporting local unions, working with young offenders or children permanently excluded from schools, fighting to improve housing or to end homelessness, supporting mental health initiatives, mentoring disadvantaged kids, supporting disabled adults, helping to care for pensioners or even supporting women's refuges and asylum seekers etc etc.
What we do see is racially diverse, hard working, consciencious members of local communities, co-operating with each other. And putting their own needs second to their community's needs? Overwhelmingly multi racial but not divided by the colour of their skin, their gender or sexuality.
Perhaps the identitarians are too busy promoting their latest books and podcasts etc on the radio and the TV, virtue signalling and telling the rest of us to go and educate ourselves about a history they largely seem to not fully understand.
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@scotchegg3419 He has made (and still makes) films that sensitively and accurately reflect lives as lived by people who are not usually depicted in the mainstream.
'Kes' is my favourite but: 'Up The Junction', 'Cathy Come Home', 'Raining Stones', 'Poor Cow', 'Riff Raff', 'I, Daniel Blake', 'Bread and Roses' are all worth checking out too. Just to mention a few.
They are as far from 'porn', as you put it, as you could possibly get, as porn is simply voyeauristic and doesn't have compassion. They do deal with poverty of course, with empathy and accurately and that is the point.
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This town is like most of England was in the 90's when people had good honest liberal, inclusive values and imagined that immigration had no downside. Perhaps the inhabitants of Workington should visit some places like Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford, Bradford, Luton or any borough in central London or Birmingham or West Croydon or St Pauls in Bristol and then ask themselves if they want their town to be more like that?
As usual Ed tries his hardest to imply that mass immigration has no detrimental effects and that those who resent it are 'far right', 'racist' or simply a bit stupid. But it's interesting how few people in the comments agree with that perspective.
It's not just that the economic arguments don't work Ed, with GDP per capita going backwards, it's not even the fact that imported unskilled labour undermines UK workers' wages, the job supply, the housing supply, rents, hospital beds, places in schools etc etc, it's not even the fact that the system ruthlessly exploits the foreign worker's rights, often paying them less than minimum wage, overcrowding them in ghettos and marginalising them. It is the inevitable undermining of the British societal values, our history of struggle for equality and labour rights, respect for the law, respect for private property and our national institutions, housing conditions, education and social care. Mass immigration undermines all of that.
And before you Politics Joe supporters reply, I'm not blaming immigrants for the woeful state of our nation, the blame lies squarely with the Boris Johnson Tory government and his predecessors who promised high skilled, high waged, immigration controls and deliberately did the opposite by liberalising immigration restrictions and bringing in record numbers of low skilled workers, students and their dependents over the last three years.
But let's not deny the detrimental effects of this cynical, deliberate and undemocratic policy: a rise in violent crime, sexual exploitation, benefit fraud, illegal workers, religious division, political division, social fragmentation and a low trust society. If you hate Tommy Robinson and people like him, ask yourself why he is so popular now? Is it because English people are more racist than they were in the 90s? Well these people in Workington aren't, just like most people aren't. So what has gone wrong and more importantly how can it be put right? Lets at least be frank about the changes that have happened in England over the last twenty years?
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Brilliant content guys. More of this type of debate please. Very interesting.
Half of what Bastani said entirely fitted in with what Matt Goodwin and KK said. He doesn't seem to be in favour of current immigration policy any more than KK and Matt, he just wants a more idealistic set up in some far off distant socialist utopia. By the way, poorly qualified immigrant care workers are legally paid 14% less than minimum wage, that's why all the care agencies employ them.
As for Polly Toynbee, her arguments are about twenty years out of date, she doesn't seem to understand the scale or the impact of record immigration, maybe because she lives on the Isle of Wiight (very few immigrants there). She is very naive when she imagines illegal or legal immigrants aren't capable of deliberately exploiting our system, involving themselves in crime, unfairly getting housing, health care, school places or benefits. She's also way off when she asserts that students return when their courses end; many of them don't even bother with their courses and, once arrived, their dependents represent a huge net loss to our economy. Also: the ECHR was created for the immediate post war refugee era, it no longer serves our needs or fits with modern migration trends. If old alliances no longer serve their purpose why should we cling to them? By the way, Brexit has clearly been a betrayal, slagging it off (or Rwanda fornthat mattet) doesn't counter either Matt or KK's arguments or Bastani's for that matter. Her economic argument is out of date too, 'immigrants stop us from having to pay higher taxes'. Is she joking? We are already paying the highest levels of tax since WW2 ffs!
PR would probably be far better at representing public opinions which is why the liberal political elite have never seriously considered bringing it in.
Well done KK. He is the only one prepared to discuss the subject in terms of culture. Why do the left imagine all cultures are equal? Why do they not care about foreign cultures that are religiously intolerant, sexually exploitative, culturally mysogynistic, homophobic, trans phobic and racist? They only seem to care when the white indigenous people exhibit those traits.
Well done KK for passionately clarifying that this debate is not just a 'far right' talking point and that it's not just about money..
Matt is one of the most coherant public speakers on this subject on the scene at the moment. He not only has a feel of what most people think but he represents their opinions really well while very few are prepared to. Facts matter. Democracy matters. Soveriegnty matters. Keep it up Matt.
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Excellent analysis Jimmy, well done for doing the work.
As regards the riots, I think there is a strong argument that says immigration has risen to record levels since lock-down DESPITE the British public never agreeing to that process and mostly voting against it when given the opportunity. Boris Johnson's 'successful' 2019 manifesto explicitly promised a lower numbers, more highly-skilled, Australian style immigration system and then at some point in 2021 he entirely dumped that promise and went in exactly the opposite direction.
This resulted in levels of immigration never before seen in this country, with around 750,000 net (1.3 million gross) arrivals each year, over the last three years.
Given our hollowed out economy and over stretched infrastructure of course this caused friction and social tension amongst those who were experiencing the resultant social shift. If you lived or worked in areas where this influx was felt it was very noticeable. It became the second most significant issue (after concerns over the economy) in the 2024 election. The riots may well have been a reflection of the public's frustration with that situation.
You refer to it as a supply side problem, and of course it is. The right-wingers see it as a demand side problem, an unnecessary and undemocratic burden being placed upon an already failing system. In reality it is both these things.
Your analysis puts the emphasis on the government (taxpayers) to strive to accomodate the situation as though it is unavoidable. The right wingers put the emphasis on regulating immigration to achieve less public expenditure and less stress placed upon the system. Once again, the sensible solution would be both.
Somewhere in the middle, corporations and businesses are benefitting from an endless supply of cheap labour. It keeps our GNP floating but does nothing for GDP per capita except depress it.
Sadly the other reason for the riots, in my opinion (as I posted on your reaction video at the time) was the catalogue of radical Islamist terror attacks in the UK since 2005. Rightly or wrongly a large proportion of the public assumed that the Southport attacks, which were trully unprecedented, heart breaking and deeply upsetting, were yet another awful incident in this long line of tragic events such as the Manchester Arena bombing. Now it seems they may well have been right.
Suspicion that the authorities were not being fully open with all the facts led to conspiracy theories about two tier justice spreading. It turns out that the authorities did not allow facts that may have inflamed the situation be known. So the rioters were right to be suspicious but entirely wrong to vent their anger violently.
The police clamping down on protestors, having visibly failed to do so in Harehills a few weeks earlier, also added to this two tier narrative and aggravated things. So did the kettling and mass arrests of protestors in Whitehall, a few days before the riots began. This was another visible example of the British police feeling much more comfortable using very heavy handed tactics when dealing with white, British protestors than it does when faced with violent disorder coming from other ethnic communities. Harehills was an example of this but so were the machete incidents in Southend that preceded the riots and in previous years at the Notting Hill Carnival..
You also failed to mention the perceived rise in 'political Islam', as seen in the weekly Gaza protest marches and in the local and general elections a few weeks before the riots There was a growing sentiment that political figures like Mothin Ali had begun to use democratic means to subvert the UK political system in favour of Islamic concerns (Gaza, Shariah Law, anti semitism etc).
This was exacerbated when the Gaza debate in Parliament was curtailed prematurely, apparently for 'MPs personal safety' while the Palestinian flag was projected on to the Houses of Parliament. Local councils all over the UK were spending money on 'Gaza bunting' in areas like Bethnal Green in East London and individuals who objected either on line or in person were being investigated for 'non-crime hate incidents'.
This seemed to boil over with the failure to prosecute the two men who attacked police officers in the Manchester airport incident (which was followed by protests outside a Manchester police station threatening violence if the two men were prosecuted).
There were also incidents of large groups of muslim parents angrily objecting to various incidents occurring in English schools, such as Batley Grammar, the Michaela School and the incident in an East London primary school where a child had been sent home for wearing pro Gaza emblems on his school uniform resulting in concerted and disruptive protests outside the school, necessitating it being temporarily closed.
Naturally some people began to think a new Islamic socio-political movement seemed to be emerging in British politics and resent it as being at the expense of the non Muslim people and mainstream secular values. Once again, if you listen to the Hamsa Yusaf 'White' speech to the Scottish Parliament you might be forgiven for thinking this may be true. Debate about introducing Islamophobia laws, limiting criticism of Islam and declaring it as blasphemy only serve to amplfy these concerns.
I know these various incidents can all be dismissed as no more than 'right wing talking points' but I think they were nevertheless legitimate concerns amongst many of the rioters. They were furious about the three little girls and many of them felt that the terrible incident and the way it was being dealt with by the establishment, against a broader background of racial, political, economic and religious tensions, made them and their families less than safe. They were angry that these three innocent little girls and the others who were attacked too, could not be protected from our current cultural/social/economic situation by the authorities. Some were angry that they were not even allowed to publicly declare their concerns about the continued threat of Islamist terrorism without being dismissed as 'far right', racist or Islamophobic. For these reasons many of the rioters felt justifiably hostile to the authorities and the police,
Were they wrong to be angry and concerned? Of course not. Were they wrong to resort to violence? Of course they were. Should people get prison time for dumb posts on social media? Only if you can prove a direct link with a subsequent incidence of violence. Do we now need the police investigating 'non crime hate incidents'? Absolutely not. Is multi culturalism failing? Sometimes yes, most of the time, no.
We now move on, hoping that these various social tensions can be resolved without more violence.
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I followed Ash Sarkar promoting her book with interest and, although she always starts off with criticizing the left for how fragile and divided they have become (because of 'victimhood' and identity politics) her principle gripe seems to be that the 'far right' (as she calls everyone but the progressive left) have become too good at using the same tactic of 'victimhood equals virtue' against them.
She constantly refers to the 'White Working Class' as undeserving of the right to describe themselves as the victims of racist oppression for example, while simultaneously being racist about them. She still sees racism in terms of institutions rather than an individual's predjudice while she ignores her own. She still thinks women can have male genitals, she still thinks in terms of 'the patriarchy' and 'the hierachy of oppression', she still wants to destroy the British class system, decolonize the culture and redistribute power wealth and ownership.
So, despite her supposed change of attitude, she still sees the world throuh the same old lens of race, sex, gender, sexuality and class. Nothing has changed in other words. She's still literally a communist however she has simply realised that she needs to moderate her schtick if she is ever going to win anybody over! Good luck with that.
One thing you do notice however is that, amongst the left wing media outlets she is always welcomed by, they all see each other as part of the same team. Unlike the people on the right, they actively support each other and readily amplify each other's messages. This is why we need Jordan Peterson's ARC, and the alternative media. We need to support and promote each other even though we may have slight ideological differences, just like the left do.
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Unemployment, gangs, drugs, alcohol, immigrants and asylum seekers, crime, homelessness etc.etc. (I won't mention the implicit cultural threat from the religion of peace).
This is not multi-culturalism, because there is no integration or cohesion, despite how hard the Danish state has tried to come up with a successful formula for solving this problem (much harder than the UK government ever has tried by the way).
People who do not share the host country's values or attitudes (and have no particular reason to) end up living in an empoverished, parallel society. They end up alienated and separate, with little incentive to embrace the host country, its customs, its culture or even properly learn its language. They simply turn the host country into a version of the place they came from, complete with values and customs. This is why the DPP in Denmark have emerged and become more prominant, just like the populist parties in most other European countries have.
However you have to admit the flats look much better than those in any average English council estate, the transport links are good, the cobblestone streets are clean (even if the walls aren't) the rubbish gets collected and amazingly your bike doesn't get nicked!
As you rightly point out Joe, things are much worse in most English cities right now. Most of us would be happy if our shopping streets, our inner city areas and our transport links looked and felt as nice as their Danish equivalents. We can all speculate on why this is and who is to blame but I don't see the next Labour Government being willing or able to do much to change this awful legacy of 14 years of Tory mismanagement.
I wonder who has the solution? Leave your suggestions below....
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@fredblogs Hope you don't mind this comment being massive but once I started I couldn't stop:
I know Morden very well, my sister lives there. It has a huge South Korean community nowadays. That's not so bad, they are mostly hard working, conservative and Christian and although they don't make much effort to intergrate socially, they don't cause any social problems.
However, even though I have a load of mates who live in Thornton Heath, I don't go there unless I absolutely have to, from Streatham southwards the traffic is awful, the shops are mostly 'ethnic', there's a lot of gang related knife crime and if you find yourself as far down as the London Rd in West Croydon it is like being in a Middle Eastern bazaar. Very hostile, very intimidating, especially for English girls. Put it this way, I wouldn't want my Mrs or my teenage daughters walking around there after dark.
Over the last twenty years or so, in most of those suburban areas (where accomodation was reletively cheap and work was available in unregulated foreign owned businesses) things have been transformed. Not for the better.They no longer feel British. The low skilled, lowly paid immigrants are distinctly different in their attitudes and manners from traditional working class people. They live much of their lives out on the street, especially the young men, presumably because they have very poor housing conditions. The areas tend to look scruffy because the (usually foreign) landlords do not maintain their properties when they are occupied by recently arrived migrants. Often they are houses with multiple occupants, not families, not young couples, just single men. Alternatively these properties are sometimes used as brothels, exploiting young girls who have been trafficked and smuggled into the country. All of this in what used to be quiet suburban streets.
Given this backdrop there is little to no civic pride, no social engagement, litter and refuse is dumped on the streets, which are generally dirtier and more chaotic. There is no social trust and no social cohesion. Many can't even speak English.
As an example of how bad things have become, in Tooting Broadway there is a homeless African couple who have lived, wrapped in sleeping bags, on a bench on the High Road for over eight years. They never leave the bench. People just ignore them and leave them to it. Personally I find it disturbing that our supposedly civilised society can not find a better solution for two obviously mentally ill, homeless immigrants, rather than allowing them to live out in the open, in all weathers, on a public bench, for eight years. But local people now treat this situation as normal, as they pass by doing their shopping. One wonders whether they might not be happier going back to where ever they came from but that kind of thinking is 'racist' and 'far right'.
You could blame this genral situation on 14 years of Tory mis-management, or on London's Labour Mayor, Sadiq Khan, but I think the problem goes much further than that. In many areas of Greater London nowadays the British simply don't live there any more, they've given up and moved on, in huge numbers, leaving once pleasant neighbourhoods to the 'new-comers', whoever they may be.
In Stockwell and Kennington it's Portuguese, in Clapham Junction its Ghanaians and Nigerians, in Tooting it's Bengalis and Punjabis, in Kingston it's Koreans and the wealthier Middle Easterners and in Croydon it's Afghans, Somalis, Syrians, Libyans, Kurds and God knows who else .
Even the traditional immigrant communities, like the Indian Sikhs in Southall or West Indians in Brixton, are being swamped by mass immigration. Neighbourhood after neighbourhood is being transformed. The rich in their modern, usually high rised, gated, appartment blocks, protected from the social dis-harmony and keeping safely out of the way. The developers buying every green space, playing field, unused council building, empty office blocks, old schools, swimming pools, libraries; all for luxury apartments. Council estates -mostly occupied by people who were born outside of the UK. And on the streets; the lowly paid or unemployed, alienated, disenfranchised immigrants, migrants and asylum seekers rubbing shoulders with the young post code gangs, fighting with knives over their horrible territories.
It's a mess.
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Excellent point. Working class Brits have always been quite socially conservative, they have always wanted low and controlled immigration, equal opportunities not outcomes, to secure working people's rights to a fair wage, fair rents, reasonable conditions, equality under the law, the protection of our social institutions and the right to speak out when they experience injustice. Traditionally they have also been proud to be British and Christian, unlike the middle class, liberal intelligensia.
Bit by bit all of those expectations have been undermined over the last 35 year or so. Mass immigration undermines half of those aspirations (low wages, poor working conditions, high rents, exploitation of workers, poor housing conditions etc) and progressive liberalism undermines the other half (hate speech laws, two tier policing, protected identities, anti-white, anti nation messaging etc).
Meanwhile the national institutions we used to be so proud of have been hollowed out, devalued and undermined.
Is it any wonder white working class people are simultaneously rejecting the progresive left and the liberal values of the conservatives?
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I taught in a primary school in Peckham for many years and can attest to the fact that the experience of people who live in the area simply can not be explained only through race and racism. In many respects it is actually an area of successful multi culturalism, as well as multi ethnicitiy, especially in schools, council amenities, shops, housing estates, sporting facilities etc.
However, there are of course massive social inequalities, and these inequalities stem from a myriad of circumstances and conditions not just race. Primarily they stem from class. You could of course add to this list: lack of opportunity, family dysfunction, underfunded, under valued schools, single parent families, drugs, gangs, crime, social deprivation, lack of role models and mentors, poor literacy, lack of social cohesion, lack of public amenities, crumbling social housing, poor public health and sometimes even diet. Those social problems affect all who live in the area, regardless of race, but especially the less wealthy.
The race grifters, who base their activities in areas like Peckham, actually do the local community no service at all. They are divisive and unhelpful and often deliberately stir up violence or at least an unhealthy toxicity it public debate.
Meanwhile the ordinary people of the area simply get on with their lives, trying their best to co-operate positively within their community, through the churches, the youth centres, the schools, through sports, art, theatre and music etc.
In many ways it is a great area, but it's problems don't stem from racism, certainly not any racism within the community. They stem from the systematic, historical failing of central and local government to invest in the area and it's people. In this respect Peckham is just like most inner city 'problem areas'.
So people get alienated from the system, from their own environment, and look for easy answers to explain it's failings, hence the race grifters and their narratives of racism and systematic, institutionalised oppression. Its exactly what the National Front tried to do back in the seventies. Blame all your problems on the people with the different colour skin.
Racism is not systematic, its just a by-product of negligent social policy and chronic under investment. The more we dabate racism the less we debate the things that hold all of us back. The more we divide ourselves by race the less effective we can be to change things.
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By the way, the reason why this guy doesn't want to go back to Eritrea is because, if he did, he would be forced to do National Service and join the army by the brutal autocratic dictator that currently runs the place. He would be forced to defend his country in the on-going border dispute that exists between Ethiopia and Eritrea. Why is there a dispute? Because Eritrea controls the two ports that allow them access to the world trade that goes up and down the Suez Canal, trade that the British developed and protected for decades. Why is that whole region continually in conflict? Because of the Marxists regimes that ruined them after the colonial era, because of traditional tribal emnity that pre-existed colonisation, because of the endemic corruption, the lack of democracy and because the war lords, who dominate their regional politics, are incapable of brokering peace with each other.
Just like all the other war-torn African states.
In other words, the guy knows nothing or he's lying. By the way, I almost forgot, Eritrea was an Italian colony, not British. That says it all really.
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Shabnam seems to be suggesting that Afghanistan needs a proper colonial power to properly commit to developing its political and social culture over a many decades? To undermine its tribalism, irradicate its backwards looking religious customs and beliefs, institute a Western liberal system of governance, legal system, beaurocracy, healthcare, education, transport infrastructure etc? She seems to want the British to do it too? Sorry Shabnam, that was 150 years ago, nowadays we leave that to the Chinese, I'm sure they'll oblige!
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Gotta love Gary's passion. Depressing though; a major decline in living standards, shrinking public services, institutional collapse, food poverty, fuel poverty, social insecurity, poor mental health, rising rents, migrant crisis, record immigration, stagnant growth, depressed wages and job insecurity and yet no one in government is suggesting any viable solutions. Gary seems to be suggesting solidarity amongst the working people forcing more targeted taxes aimed at the asset classes. Shame neither party is seriously discussing this.
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The problem is, we wil not be asked to defened ourselves against Russia, China, Iran or North Korea or some other external threat. The conflict will be within our own borders. It won't be an armed struggle either, it will be a war of ideologies, of values, of cultures.
So the question is, to what extent are British people ready to defend their values against those who would destroy them?
If you look at the areas of our cities that have already been colonised and the way Brits have simply removed themselves from those neighbourhoods and settled elsewhere, you would be forgiven for thinking they had already surrendered.
For a cultural movement to be effective it needs to have the youth behind it. Sadly the young people of Britain are more likely to hold the woke values of the progressive ideologies, despite the fact that they are mostly likely to lose out because of them.
Otherwise, if you want a cultural shift back towards traditional values, where is it going to come from?
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@VittamarFasuthAkbin I'm not sure if Brexit isolated the UK, certainly we struggled without access to the single market at first but we have started to increase exports lately. Meanwhile we have had record numbers of Indian, Nigerian, Pakistani, Bangla Deshi, Ghanaian, Middle Eastern and North African immigrants over the last three years. Add to that tens of thousands of Chinese students each year. Not exactly splendid isolation, more like open borders in all but name. We have seen Net immigration of over 700,000 each year, requiring a new city the size of Birminham to be built every two years to accomodate them.
As for 'strong man' policies, our prisons are currently so over crowded we are now officially allowing prisoners to be released after serving only half their sentences. Out illegal immigration population is costing over £8m per day to accomodate them in hotels, hostels and privately rented apartments. Shop-lifting and burglary goes unpunished, only 2% of rapes are successfully prosecuted, benefit fraud is increasing and tax avoidance by the wealthy is endemic.
Thatcherism has much to answer for in that our publicly owned utilities were all privatised and now we receive much more expensive but lower quality, poorly regulated services, but the real culprits are the successive Tory governments that under invested in our country over the last 14 years and have pretty much bankrupted us. We now have the highest tax burden since WW2, rocketing National debt, the lowest GDP per capita in decades, low growth, social decline, sectarian division all propped up by enforced mass immigration, which the Tories specifically promised to limit and then didn't.
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If you try phoning in to any discussion show on LBC or on the BBC etc. to express your concerns about mass Immigration (the socio/political economic phenomena, not the individual people involved in that process) just see how quickly the host dismisses your concerns, suspecting that you must be a racist.
To even be concerned about such a thing, they think, you must be full of racial hatred and therefore a ‘bad person’ not worthy of having an opinion. So they don't let you express it or belittle you for doing so.
Try expressing the opinion that the 'asylum seekers' are economic migrants or that they are breaking the law by unfairly jumping the queue and you will be told that they have the right to seek 'protection' anywhere they choose, especially in the UK, with its shameful history of colonialism, even though those guys rarely come from former British colonies and have passed through many safe countries on their way to ours.
If you go so far as to say that those unskilled young men from war torn, unstable, failed states (such as Somalia, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, Sub Saharan Africa etc. etc.) may not share our cultural values, or that they do not even want to share them, or may not even be able to integrate into our society, but instead they intend to take advantage of our system and do, you will be told that to deny them those benefits would be to infringe upon their human rights. The implication being that morally the cost of respecting their human rights comes before the needs of UK citizens.
Try pointing out that recent ONS statistics indicate that some immigrant groups (specifically those called MENATs: Middle Eastern, North African and Turkish) represent a net loss to our economy; claiming more benefits for them and their dependents, than the net value of the taxes they pay . This has also been found to be the case in other European countries who have done the same analysis.
You could add statistics concerned with the pressure this whole process places upon housing, rents, school places, hospital beds, policing, prisons and add a few local and national crime stats. If you were to point all this out, despite the fact that this is based upon government statistics, you will instantly be closed down. Some facts are just too unpalatable.
If you were to point out that the most productive immigrant groups come from the Anglo-sphere (Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians and Americas etc.) and that perhaps this is because they share our culture and values, that they do not come to this country to claim benefits but rather to work and contribute, this would be dismissed as a toxic interpretation of the data.
Try suggesting that multi-culturalism seems to create ethnic ghettos and that this is not in fact surprising, as nationally we have no mechanism (or 'rubric' as J.P. calls it) for ensuring that immigrant communities are encouraged, or made, to integrate so, on the whole, they don't. You will certainly be dismissed as 'far right'.
If you were to express the concern that not all cultures seem 'equal', as some may have values that are undemocratic, misogynistic, homophobic and religiously intolerant, you will certainly be told that your concerns are needlessly extreme and prejudiced. In other words, motivated by an underlying racism. It seems that the young liberal political elite think we have ‘magic soil’ that somehow convinces new-comers to instantly exchange their values upon contact. Don’t try questioning that naive point of view either.
Don't even try to suggest that English culture, history, language, law and social customs may be something we can justifiably feel proud of and want to protect. That will be dismissed as nationalistic rhetoric or a right wing dog whistle.
God forbid if you were to point out that the rise of Islamism represents a threat to our British traditions, you would of course be given a lecture about how 'diversity is our strength' and that Britain was 'built by immigration', neither of which are factually true.
The irony is that people who host radio phone-in shows are more than happy for other national, ethnic, racial groups to protect their identity, their culture, their language, their flags, their customs, to seek to further their own political and social influence and to demand that their religion is treated with extra respect. But they don’t like it when English people ask for exactly the same rights and respect.
In fact, is there any platform, other than posting comments on YouTube, where English people are allowed to discuss this in public, without being shut down, dismissed or gas lit? Even then, be careful what you write folks, half your comments will be removed.
It occurs to me that we have to either redefine what these dismissive terms mean, like progressives have done with words such as; racism, diversity, equity, inclusion, harm, hate and violence, or simply own them, embrace them and shrug them off.
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The dedication shown by sincere and devout Muslims can be quite inspiring, especially when you travel around Islamic countries. To witness societies that are not enrirely governed by commercialism and consumerism can be quite refreshing. Concepts such as Zakat (charity) the Haj (pilgimage) and Ramadam (the yearly fast to remind the faithful of how it feels to be poor and vunerable) are quite admirable.
However the hatred, disrespect and predjudice with which Muslims are taught to treat non-muslims (especially Jews) is extremely shocking when you are first exposed to it and realise the full depth of it. Muslims tend to deny this when amongst people of other faiths or in the secular world, but in private they don't feel ashamed to admit it. On the contrary, they consider it part of their obligation to Allah. Visit any Wahabi mosque and listen to what is being taught behind closed doors and you soon see how deep this hatred and suspicion goes. Witness the persecution of Christians throughout the Islamic world. Read the doctrine of any of the proscribed terrorist groups.
The fact that Islam produces so many violently extremist groups, dedicated to 'Jihad' and the Muslim brotherhood at the expense of all else, is obviously a great concern too.
The Quran is certainly not a book of peace, it teaches a methodology for overcoming and conquering other faiths. Islam teaches that women are chattels owned by men, it accepts slavery especially of non muslims, it ecourages polygamy and demands homophobic behaviour from its adherents, it also disregards the notion of an age of consent for women and contains within it the entirely illiberal notion of Shariah law. It does not value 'diversity' and specifically teaches against 'inclusion'. There is no concept of 'equality' with non muslims in Islam. It does however encourage matyrdom amongst the faithful in the pursuit of an Islamic world.
In fact, if you had to choose a religion to be phobic about, it would indeed have to be Islam. However I would say that, from a Western liberal point of view, it is entirely rational to be critical of Islam and the fanatics that find it so appealing. It's spread in the West brings with it all kinds of dangers regarless of how many liberal, modern muslims deny it or attempt to diminish the fact.
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@asmirann3636 A very interesting point because the Angles, the Saxons, the Normans, the Danes were all violent invaders not immigrants. You could add the Romans to that list. Despite reletively small numbers of Protestant French Hugenots, then Irish Catholics and Eastern European Jews, Britain has only been a 'nation of immigrants' since the second world war, with numbers increasing slightly in the sixties with African Asians and then again in the mid nineties, when the Africans and Middle Easterners you mention began to arrive in significant numbers.
In the last three years those numbers have been multiplied tenfold, creating an enforced mass immigration cultural/social/ economic time-bomb never before seen in this nation's history.
The point is, England has never been a 'nation of immigrants', not until reletively recently and those immigrant communities that did arrive did so in sufficiently small numbers to be assimilated. That is clearly not the case now.
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@cafsixtieslover Someone else in the comments said it was a sh*thole, which makes me feel a tiny bit less annoyed about it's current occupants. But even if it was horrible, the Home Office pays for brand new matresses, new tables and chairs, the bedding is cleaned every four days, the food is hot and nourishing and served three times a day, the heating is always on full blast, the showers are nice and hot and there are pool tables, table tennis and tv. FOR FREE. Various charities provide new shoes, new clothing and bicycles.The guys can come and go as they please, they get a certain amount of pocket money, they all seem to be able to afford cigarettes and they all have mobile phones.
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@subcitizen2012 You have entirely missed the point. This is not about bigotry, unless you are referring to the bigotry with which Islamists regard all other religions. It is about reacting to the perceived threat of daily violence (that English people quite rationally feel) coming from undocumented, asylum seeking young men (who mostly come from troubled Islamic countries) and radical Islamists (who come from our own country, but are of a distinctly different culture).
It is also a reaction to the undemocratic, unparalled mass immigration, enforced by the Tories over the last three years (despite Johnson promising to do the opposite in 2019) and the way in which it threatens to destabilise the country in ways so far unheard of.
It is also a reaction to the phenomena that most violent Islamists seem to come from second generation immigrant backgrounds, even though their parents and wider community may be moderate and well intergrated into British society.
It is not bigoted to see these groups and these social phenomena as a threat to civil cohesion and safety in the UK. Simply look at the stats, if not the incidents I mentioned in my first comment. It seems a rational response to me.
The problem here is not bigotry it is that people have responded to this perceived threat with civil disorder. This will create no solutions and only lead to public condemnation.
However, I think people have taken to the streets because they feel they are without a voice: in central government, in local government, in the mainstream media and in the national conversation lead by the university educated, woke liberal elites. Even the Reform Party refuses to consider their concerns. So far the only people who have tried to understand why this violence has broken out and speak on the protestor's behalf are alternative media Youtubers and the odd GBNews presenter.
Unless this changes things will only get worse.
By the way, if you want to see bigotry, look into the bigotry of the newly formed Islam/Muslim Defence League before you make your next disparaging comment. Or the beliefs of the Islamic Brotherhood or the teachings of the Wa'habi philosophy which are currently being taught in UK mosques. Check out what Anjem Choudary and his followers have been teaching and promoting internationally for the last twenty years. Check out the Hamas Charter and then imagine what British Muslims who support them must have in their hearts.
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The absence of what religion? (She means an exclusively Christian religion, probably Catholic?) The absence of what kind of family? (She means the nuclear family) With whom in charge? (She means a partiarchy) Why is divorce a bad thing? (She means it flies in the face of her Christian values) Why should unhappy marriage partners be forced to remain together? (She clearly has little sympathy for people in violent, dysfunctional or abusive relationships) Should dissent and protest be banned because it may be emotional? (She means anti establishment = bad, complcency or compliance = good). Why is contraception bad? (She means women shouldn't have control of the reproductive cycle, the church should, or rather traditional male elites should)
its such an outdated perspective has become so because modern society doesn't conform to her presumptions any more...even if it wanted to. She is harking back to Victorian values of church, state, heirachy and paternalistic power. For better or worse Western society is more complex nowadays, that stuff doesn't work. We now have much more ethnic, cultural and religious diversity, the political and social liberation of women, gays, trans people plus a greater expectation of autonomy. You can't force that toothpaste back into the tube madam.
This woman is deeply socially conservative and I'm disappointed you guys didn't push back against her a bit more. Raise your game FF and KK!
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My 'ten points to use when arguing with a communist' became nineteen after listening to Prof JP.
1. To view human history as an economic struggle underestimates the complexity of human struggle. Its more than that. To say otherwise is reductive.
2. Hierachies are inevitable in nature as well as in human society and psychology. They are not necessarily limited to capitalist systems and not necessarily unproductive or 'evil'. In some cases effective human co-operation and progress depends upon hierachical structures.
3. Human hierachies are not primarily predicated on power. They may have other purposes and may be productive or oppressive for other reasons.
4. The exploited and the exploiters are not easily divided into the binary groups of 'the beourgeoise and the proletariat'. Most people in most societies have more than one identifying characterist, hence 'intersectionality'.
5. You can not assume that all of the 'evil' and all of the 'good' can be attributed to one group and not the other in this binary characterisation just because of their position in the hierachy .
6. You can not presume that, given the opportunity, the dictatorship by a proletariat elite would not be as 'evil' as the bourgeoise elite they have replaced, particualry with the use of state sanctioned violence and the repression of individual thought and freedoms.
7 You can not assume that the capitalists have no skills or productive value. Nor can you presume that the proletariat will be able or skilled enough to replace them. The beorgeoise may be competent in many areas that the proletariat are not.
8. Profit is not necessarily 'theft', it may represent a necessary reward for productivity and success. It may be necessary for economic growth. It may be a constraint upon wasted labour. Human beings require more than ideological reward.
9. You cannot presume that, with power and equity so centralised, there will be no corruption just because the new elite is drawn from the proletariat. Particularly when transition to a communist state depends upon the use of violence and coercion.
10. There is no explanation of how the necessary 'hyper-productivity' necessary to support a socialist utopia will be produced and sustained to utimately provide for all society's needs.
11, There will never be an end goal that is universally accepted by all. Some might even prefer the challenge of inequality and instability. Some may prefer violence. Communism underestimates the complexity of human intellectual need and creativity and aims for a general state of inactive indolence.
12. There has never been a better system for the production of an excess of wealth than the capitalist system. Other systems are less productive but still retain the inequality. Historically capitalism has tended to reduce the rate of absolute poverty better than any other system.
13. All ideas are wrong and need to be critically assessed. The communist manifesto is no exception and cannot be accepted without critical analysis.
14. Humans are intrinsically flawed and will fall back upon traditional psychological, individual, social and political tropes which will always be counter revolutionary. This requires the state to constantly and intrusively oppress and govern the individual. This is a very inefficient way to harness human creativity and labour.
15. Communism requires an enormous and largely inefficiant state to administer itself creating its own self protecting elites and hierachies.
16. Communism requires the continual 're-education' or indoctrination of the masses to retain its revolutionary 'zeal'. It absorbs or destroys the individual's personal purpose and therefore is at odds with human nature.
17. A huge part of the revolutionary zeal necessary to bring about a communist revolution comes from an anti-establishment, iconoclastic urge to demolish and destroy the past and present power structures. This urge is very hard to reign in post revolution and can create brutal and violent forces within the state.
18. In any system that puts the collective above the individual, individual human life necessarily becomes devalued. This inevitably leads to great cruelty, oppression and even genocide. Morality becomes relative not absolute.
19. Communism ignores the spiritual/religious aspect of humanity and necessarily has to surpress and persecute it as counter revolutionary.
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@ShelleyOtter Absolutely right. The implication of Stephen Fry's philosophy is that, no matter how much we are manipulated into accepting various forms of cultural, economic and political erosion in the UK, we should not complain or protest too loudly in case it offends others and makes people like him feel uncomfortable.
That would be okay if it was twenty years ago but in the meantime we, as a nation have: been betrayed over Brexit, had uncontrolled mass immigration forced upon us without ever having voted for it, our borders have been weakened, we have had our system of healthcare ruined and exploited by others, had our universities captured by ideologues and our schools under funded and made into places of indoctrination, had our housing supply shrunk, we have had our rents raised and house prices become unaffordable to ordinary people, we have been saddled with a record burden of taxes while have a record national debt, our woke civil service captured by a globalist, liberal ideology, our law courts biased and turned against us, our police instructed to prosecute us for our speech while no longer expected to catch criminals, our prisons made overflowing while we release sex offenders, wife beaters and burglars to make space for people prosecuted for hurty words in tweets, our pensioners have been betrayed and our farmers robbed of being able to pass their farms on to their children and a whole generation of retiring women swindled.
But let's not make too much of fuss in public, it might offend someone or upset the globalist, liberal elites, such as Mr Fry.
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It's a funny quote but what it describes is globalism and its effect upon consumerism, not culture. Any modern Western country could be accused of the same dependence upon cheap foreign imports. However, most of the things mentioned in the comment have nothing to do with culture (except possibly the food and drink) but have everything to do with global capitalism and consumerism.
If the Brit in the analogy did try to buy a British made car, such as a Jaguar or a Land Rover, they'd find them all owned by foriegn corporations and probably assembled somewhere else in Europe. He could try finding British made furniture, clothing or tvs but they don't really exist at scale because our manufacturing sector was decimated in the eighties by cheap foreign imports and shrinking markets. Because of this the few products that are still produced in the UK tend to be comparatively expensive.
The closing of those factories and workshops (and coal mines, steel works, shipyards etc) was actually a tragic and destructive blow against working class British communities. People fought to protect them at the time but global capitalism is a mighty force to try and oppose and ultimately we lacked the solidarity and the political will to win.
By the way, most peoples of the world prefer their own culture, it is perfectly normal. It's only progressive people on the left who tend to be ashamed of their own nation's culture and prefer almost any alternative. Most human communities favour the in-group, for some reason progressives always favour the out-group.
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What next? 51% ownersip by fans/community groups, an independent body overseeing the PL, wage caps for players (and agents), proper provision for Sky/BT/Amazon broadcasting revenues to be shared by the whole football pyramid. Also, let's bring down UEFA and make it an elected/representative body, answerable to the national leagues that similarly ensures broadcasting revenues are shared fairly. While we're at it why not reform FIFA along similar lines? Football is currently financially broken, Barcelona, Real, Inter, Totenham, Man Utd are billions in debt. The only clubs not carrying huge debts are the German 50+1 clubs like Bayern Munich. The billionaire owners think they can solve this by fleecing the fans agan and again, eventually doing so with a global streaming, American franchise model. Football fans must sieze the moment before they take our beautiful game away! COME ON YOU IRONS!
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@importantjohn I'm sorry but, as inspiring as your comment is, that kind of quiet and stoic national strength has been abused, exploited and undermined for decades. The British, their history, their heroes, their language, their customs, their culture, their religion are all being hollowed out and marginalised by those who would see them in decline and that includes their own political leaders.
It would be so convenient to believe that as a nation we really don't need to do anything but be tasteful and polite, to avoid any show of emotion, to keep a stiff upper lip, a square jaw and a straight bat, but those days are long gone. We have slowly been undone by holding on to those very characteristics and while we quietly tut and frown instead of protesting and fighting back , those who would hasten our decline use our reticence and probity against us.
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The problem is that the moderate Muslim majority needs to constantly reassure everybody else in Europe that they are capable of controlling the radical Islamist minority. Islamists keep committing violent crimes all over Europe and represent a constant threat to Western liberal, democratic, secular values. So it falls to moderate people like Baroness Warsi to step up, show courage and positively lead her community, not get the hump and chuck it in because she encounters insults and discouragement. It's hard work, but people like her need to do it.
The 'sipping from a coconut' meme doesn't help, that is a hurtful, racist trope and she should know better.
Meanwhile her complaints about the treatment of Muslims sound more and more like an appeal for Islamophobia/blasphemy legislation, to restrict criticism of Muslims as well as debate about and analysis of the Islamic faith in general. Dodgy ground in my opinion.
You can not ignore or excuse the grooming gang scandals, you can not ignore support for terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah in the Muslim community, you can not ignore the regular violent terror incidents, the anti-semitism, the rhetoric of people like Muhammad Hijab etc and nor should you be legally compelled to. It is not 'racism' to be concerned about these issues.
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Still can't agree with Jimmy. Austerity is stopping integration? Yes, austerity has certainly degraded the quality of life in the UK since 2009. But, having to compete with unparalleled numbers of newly arrived immigrants for shrinking public resources has made things much worse for ordinary working people in the last three years.
It doesn't matter if you blame the increased demand upon the system that mass immigration represents or the woefully poor supply of services by the inefficient and poltically stagnant state? None of that matters. You can't even blame the super rich and their globalist corporations, sucking capital out of the system and into their off-shore bank accounts, their share holder dividends and the senior execs salaries. None of this is relevant,
ALL of these economic arguments are peripheral to the issue at hand; the riots were sparked by violence NOT economic conditions.
The protestors took to the streets because three little girls were senselessly killed in yet another knife crime incident. People are protesting because they don't feel safe in their own communities, because their daughters, sisters, wives and mothers are facing the daily threat of violence. Most people believe they are being denied the right to make this very simple statement because the authorities do not want to address who is actually responsible for creating this threat of sexual and sectarian violence.
Who are they?
Simple.
The community that does NOT WANT to integrate, sees no reason to and would violently resist if forced to. The people who use knives, bombs, grooming gangs, rape and chemical attacks to make their point. The community that calls for death to apostates and subjegation for its enemies. The community that seeks to make kafirs into dhimmis. The community that calls for Shariah law and Jihad and has now created it's own self defence league, modelled on the non-existant EDL. The community that has absolutely no intention of moderating its presence in this country but calls for all other communities to protect it as it expands.
You all know who I mean.
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Certain views and opinions are simply not voiced in the mainstream media in the UK, usually those of the majority of white working class Brits and, as most people know, they are not necessarily liberal. The liberal and left wing metropolitan elite have effectively silenced them by linking values to virtue; if you have the wrong opinions you have no virtue and so you can have your platform taken away or be dismissed as 'racist', divisive, stupid or just simply wrong.
It has been this way for many years and it has allowed a certain progressive ideological perspective to be promoted through the media unchallenged. The assumption that everybody has embraced the politics of of Diversity, Equality, Inclusion, of trans rights, gay pride and multiculturalism. It has also effectively silenced those who do not agree with these liberal assumptions. It has not reflected the views of people who hold different, more traditional, culturally Christian values. The majority.
Farage is simply trying to reflect what most people think but are not allowed to say, and the media hate it. Even if he's factually wrong (and most of the time he isn't) or he has the wrong priorities (and most of the time he hasn't) he still has the right to express his opinions, but people who control the media see it as their ideological obligation to discredit him and denigrate his perspective. Failing that they can side-line him by blaming him for the failures of Brexit. They simply can not let him establish his narrative because, unlike their own, it is what most working class people think and what often they simply know to be true.
Even Trevor Phillips, who was one of the first mainstream commentators to highlight the fact that multi-culturalism in the UK was failing, simply can not appear to sympathise with Farage or he would risk losing his job.
However, the normal people of the UK know exactly what Farage is referring to, we has seen the data, the surveys and the signs of division. We know there are Muslim extremists who do not share our democratic values, they killed two of our MPs, Joe Cox (Labour) and David Ames (Conservative). We know that many MPs have their lives threatened on a daily basis for taking the 'wrong position' over Gaza. We know many MPs have now been forced to resign by this continual pressure from the 'religion of peace'. We know that Parliament has been directly effected by this, as have schools, town halls, the police and public spaces and yet the media pretends that threat isn't real.
Statistics show that some communities of immigrants share British values and some don't. We know some communities mostly speak English and some don't. We know that some take pride in British history and culture and that some resent it. People are well aware that some communities contribute more than they take and some don't. We know some people come to settle and prosper and some are simply passing through.
We also know that record increases in legal immigration in the last three years have effected; house prices, rents, the availability of hospital beds, GP appointments, dentists, school places, that these demographic changes have led to the UK courts being overwhelmed, the prisons full, hospitals filled to capacity, shockingly high crime figures, increased incidents if rape and record levels of chemical attacks. We all know that there have been some extremely violent incidents involving immigrants and asylum seekers from the Middle East, Afghanistan and North Africa. We know they represent a growing problem in our towns and cities.
We are aware that it is costing UK tax payers over £8m a day to house and feed asylum seekers and illegal immigrants while British families are made homeless through ‘no fault’ evictions.
We also know that the situation in Gaza has radicalised some Muslims, that winning candidates in recent local elections said they were standing for the people of Palestine not necessarily the local constituents, that many towns now have Muslim mayors and senior administrators. We have all noticed key political figures specifically pandering to Islamic groups in the build up to the forthcoming election.
We can see that traditional British Christian cultural values are being been eroded by Islamic culture, because we have seen the recent calls to prayer in town halls and the Houses of Parliament, the Ramadan messaging on train timetables, the streets lined with Palestinian flags, the prayer in public spaces or simply the proliferation of new mosques being built. The crescent and star is ubiquitous in UK towns and cities now, you can not fail to notice.
People are also well aware of the rise of anti-Semitism on our streets, in our schools and in our public spacesnand we will have seen how any debate about this worrying development can be effectively closed down with accusations of ‘Islamophobia’.
We re increasingly aware of how the progressives have sided with Muslims because of Gaza and how they seek to protect this minority group from the ‘oppression’ of being properly policed. We are well aware of how this has led to accusations of ‘two tier policing’ from white working class people who have had their marches, rallies and demonstrations met with authoritarian policing methods. Meanwhile the police tolerate the desecration of memorials, hate speech, anti-Semitism, calls for Jihad and intifada from the regular pro-Gaza marchers. We see the inconsistency.
Sikhs, Hindus, African Christians and especially Jews are becoming increasingly concerned about this cultural shift toward the promotion of and protection of an increasingly intolerant Islamic perspective. People are frightened of its violent undercurrent and resentful of its increasing presence in public life.
The BBC simply can't acknowledge any of this but thankfully Farage can.
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'London is great'.
Is living in London great? Try being part of a traditional white working class community being squeezed out of your own neighbourhood by a combination of gentrification and mass immigration, shopping at local shops where you are served by people who can't talk English, who no longer sell the products you want, where you are treated with suspicion and sometimes outright hostility because of your race, religion or ethnicity.
Try holding on to your traditional cultural values when, not only the people surrounding you don't share them, but they are being denigrated in local schools, by local councils, by the media and the broader community. Try getting a council flat. Try finding a fair rent. Try buying a house. Try having your house regularly burgled, or your bike stolen, or your car broken into, knowing that the police will do nothing. Try finding someone who is prepared to be a witness when a crimes occurs, even in broad daylight. Try walking around at night when you are constantly at risk of being mugged, having to avoid gang related drug and knife crime, random violent attacks, imported ethnic conflicts, two tier policing and anti white racism.
Try objecting to a Palestinian or Rainbow flag being strung up outside your house. Try complaining about your Nigerian neighbours' anti-social behaviour to your Nigerian local council housing officer. Try driving around London regularly, trying to avoid all the parking restrictions, bus lanes, cycle lanes and traffic flow restrictions. Try to avoid getting a parking ticket or an extortionate Transport for London driving fine Try objecting to Ramadan and Eid being observed and celebrated, to the exclusion of Easter, in your work place. Try asking for help if you are elderly or disabled. Try getting an appointment with your local dentist or GP. Try getting a place for your kid at the only decent school in your neighbourhood. Try spending some time in any average London Secondary School or listening to their pupils talking on the back seat of a bus
Try riding on the tube or a night bus late into the night. Try talking to a stranger in a shop or in a neighbourhood you do not know. Try ignoring the constant background noise of dissatisfaction, frustration, friction, bad manners and hostility. Try avoiding the discarded hyper dermic needles, the litter and the homeless winos when you go to your local park. Try finding a way through the Eastern European pick pockets, the professional beggars and the fraudsters in the busy shopping streets in the West End. Try finding a swimming pool, a library or local pub that is still open. Try finding a pint that does not cost a fortune. Try protecting your children from all the casual violence, the verbal abuse and the discourtesy everyone is constantly exposed to in public spaces.
Just try asking for directions and you'll see the social disconnect that currently exists in London: it seems like no one knows the city beyond their own ghetto, no one speaks the language properly, no one knows the social history of their own area and most depressingly, no one cares.
London is great when you are a millionaire celebrity or a high earning professional, not so great for everyone else. Most people living in London do not take pride in it, they do not see the area they live in as belonging to them or see their future there. They are passing through, on their way to somewhere better; somewhere less chaotic, less aggressive, quieter, more functional.
The rest of the people living in London are those who are stuck there, through no fault of their own and are unable to find a route out. This especially applies to the white working class people who have remained despite the ‘white flight’. They are now like an embattled minority, clinging to the idea of a community that disappeared years ago, unappreciated, anachronistic and out of place.
It feels like giving up, coming to the conclusion that London is lost, but equally, it’s hard not to.
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I'm convinced people such as you Carl and Matt Goodwin have been pivotal in convincing Farage to go for it.
Content providers like: The Lotus Eaters, Triggernometry, Douglas Murray, Andrew Gold, Richard the 4th, Paul Joseph Watson's Modernity, Andrew Doyle, Winston Marshall, John Anderson, Chris Williamson, Tousi TV, Calvin Robinson even The Critical Drinker have provided us all with an alternative analysis. There is a momentum behind this intellectual shift. People see that they are not alone in their rejection of the values of the metropolitan, globalist, liberal elite. They have seen that there can be virtue in not being progressive and neo-liberal. They are being reassured that wanting to uphold your own shared cultural values is not despicable, valuing your own institutions over those of others is not without merit, understanding your own history rather than denigrating it is vitally important.
Upholding evidence and empiricism over lived experience and 'feelings' is legitimate. Rejecting the progressive left's narratives of race, sexuality, gender and intersectional victimhood is allowed despite what the mainstream media might imply. Most importantly, our undemocratic exclusion from our own cultural/political conversation has to end.
Farage isn't perfect, nor is Reform, but it is pretty close to our only option at this point. We need a voice in the political mainstream to give our values validity. Obviously it hasn't been The Conservatives for over a decade so perhaps Farage may actually be it.
I hope so...
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Hasn't halved inflation, hasn't grown the economy, hasn't reduced debt, hasn't reduced waiting lists hasn't stopped the boats. Meanwhile immigration is at record levels, homelessness, food poverty, fuel poverty, low wages, high interest rates, unaffordable rents, not enough new homes being built, bankrupt local councils, underfunded services, dangerously low police numbers, over stretched courts, overcrowded prisons, underfunded schools, military budgets slashed, Islamist marching through the capital every weekend and it just gets worse each week.
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@AlanBrown. Employment could be promoted and directed towards economically deprived areas by central and local government offering businesses tax concessions, regulatory freedoms, improved infrastructure, government contracts, internal investment. Maybe even promoting our exports and limiting or taxing foreign imports?
In Sunderland, right next to the Stadium of Light, they are building a massive group of film studios, employing thousands and revitalizing the local economy, with all sorts of tax incentives that attract investment from abroad,
Why not in South Wales?
Alternatively they could use the abandoned buildings to house the thousands of illegal migrants; employing them to refurbish the town, clear the refuse, repair buildings and repaint houses?
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Good question. I agree with you, I think its more likely that they are simply conformists, with one eye on their salary and the other on what their superiors in the MSM are currently endorsing. As well as this, they are all drawn from the same university educated class, live in expensive London suburbs and are entirely sheltered from the effects of the opinions they hold. In other words they all endorse luxury values.
They love a controversial race-baiter like Narinder Kaur or Dr Shola Mos-Obamimu, despite all the evidence of their racial biases, but despise TR and his supporters, despite having no evidence to prove their's.
They openly mock Farage while allowing representatives of the progressive ideologies to go unchallenged. They are not ashamed to voice their own poorly thought through opinions because they think that those opinions prove their virtue. They trully believe that people from minority groups are inherently virtuous while simultaneously believing that white people, with different values from theirs, don't deserve a voice. They are therefore happy to ridicule them on or off air and deny them a platform.
And finally, as you point out, they are not especially well-read or well informed, despite their university degrees. When pressed their opinions usually falter.
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@adtastic1533
Many of the people who are striking in the UK are public servants, paid by the government or local authorities with tax payers' money. Their jobs: nurses, postal workers, ambulance drivers, railway workers, doctors, teachers, lawyers etc etc, can not be out-sourced to places where labour is cheaper. Nor should they be.
Plus, in the UK we recently had a Prime Minister (Liz Truss) who favoured reducing workers' rights, lowering wages, deregulation, weakening terms and conditions of labour etc in favour of globalist, supply side, neo liberal, economic theories and she didn't even last two months.
Even the UK Treasury thought her measures were dangerous and unworkable.
She almost bankrupted the country and made the cost of government borrowing go through the roof. This then caused interest rates to go up meaning even middle class people with mortgages became hopelessly in debt with only negative equity. Cost of living crisis part II.
A nation should value and protect its own working people, not undermine them in favour of a labour force on the other side of the world.
If the government doesn't see it that way then it falls to the unions to represent their workers, defend their conditions and protect their rights.
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Brilliant content guys. A fantastic illustration of how difficult it is to talk sense when a conflict is so toxic and long standing.
Youssef is passionately arguing with 'narratives' that stretch back decades, KK and FF are trying to get him to be dispasionate and logical. It just doesn't work.
Youssef can not imagine a peaceful solution, I suspect he doesn't want one and that kind of thinking is party what led to October 7.
He can not acknowledge what Hamas' objective is (to use Palestinian civilians as a human shield and to use their deaths as matyrdom) nor what their endgame is (to use Israeli brutality as a way of mobilising international opinion against them).
He blames the West, their media as well as Israel, but he can not acknowledge any crime committed by the Palestinian's representatives and the terrorist groups that claim to represent them. He wants Palestinians to be exempt from consequeces for their actions during this conflict, no matter how violent.
He wants Islam to be seen as separate from the Palestinian struggle, but Hamas has made the two inseparable. He uses historic examples, none of which are relevant or helpful. He constantly focuses on the past and has difficulty describing any kind of possible future. For example; if the Oslo Accords are the solution, why did the Palestinian's representatives almost immediately reject them?
He deflects the role of Iran in destabilising the region preferring always to focus on the US. In fact he pretty much descends into conspiracy theory with all the 'third temple' stuff, "Look it up, its on the internet". Not helpful mate.
I'm glad I had the chance to hear his side of the issue but don't feel as though I have learned anything or had my opinion changed at all. He didn't win me over. I feel like KK, its depressing that he couldn't provide a single practical solution.
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I am not an 'anti-vaxer' but I have made the following observations:
At first we were assured in the MSM that if you got vaccinated you couldn't contract Covid. We now know that is not true.
We were also told that all age groups had an equal need to be vaccinated to make us all safe and protect the NHS. We now know that younger people are much less vunerable to Covid and vaccinating them did not protect elderly people, as it was the government putting infected people in care homes that represented the greatest risk to the most vunerable.
We were assured that you couldn't spread Covid if you were vaccinated, hence the necessity for less effected age groups to get vaccinated. We now know that isn't true either.
On the basis of those assertions we were encouraged to think we would all need regular boosters. We now know that not to be true as boosters do not stop you contracting Covid, suffering with it and in some cases even dying.
We were given very little acces to discussions around these assertions, to the point that people who did platform discussions expressing concern or scepticism were subject to virulent mainstream condemnation by the media. ill informed celebrities even waded in with their essertion of the dogma. Neil Young vs Joe Rogan comes to mind.
We were not told that Pfizer had bought the intellectual property of the vaccine (developed at public expense) to then sell it back to those countries who paid to develop it at a huge profit, not at cost and not in the least bit subsidised for third world countries and those in desperate need. Pfizer are now one of the most successful Corporations in the world who's shares have soared despite a very shady past and many ongoing outstanding legal problems.
We were never warned that the public would eventually only offered the Pfizer vaccination and that the provider of that vaccine actually had a huge influence over the MSM, through advertising and direct investment, and cculd control the debate over their obvious monopoly.
We were not told that Pfizer researchers and even the BMA were concerned that data collected during trials of the vaccine 'lacked integrity' and that the discussion of these concerns would be removed from platforms such as Facebook and Youtube.
We were not told that unqualified employees of various media platforms such as Facebook and Youtube would have the power to close down and remove the discussion of these kind of concerns without explanation, justification, debate or the opportunity to a defence.
We were not told that without a vaccine you could be discriminated against to the point of requiring an identity card or that your bank accounts could be frozen by the state if you were to actually demonstrate against compulsory vaccination as in the case of the truckers in Canada.
We were not encouraged to think of it as the state taking control of our bodies or to question the necessity of that situation.
No one expected the right to freedom of speech and expression on this subject to be limited or your right to independently research the facts relating to this circumstance to be limited of directly censored.
We were not warned that there may actually be more than one valid way to view this whole situation and more than one orthodoxy, even in the science that supports the vaccine's use.
We were lied to, manipulated and made to accept some very fundamental rights being undermined.
But apart from that the vaccine is okay.
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As well as using Jews and LGBTQ+ vs conservative Muslims as an example of people from different backgrounds not rubbing up against each other particularly well in London, how about:
The two factions of Eritreans who had a riot with each other on the streets Camberwell a few months ago,
The Sunni vs Shia muslims who had a riot with each other on the streets of Swiss Cottage.
The Muslim men who rioted in Southall, West London, to celebrate the end of Ramadan.
The Islamists who intimidate and bully teachers and children in various local schools to force them to toe the Islamic line.
The BLM supporters endlessly pushing CRT ideology to politically attack white society and the police.
Criminal migrants gangs pick pocketing and scamming shoppers and tourists in Central London.
Random muderous attacks on the public by Islamists.
Prominant politicians receiving death threats on a daily basis.
The black youths using social media to rob West End shops en masse, sell drugs as well as the standard muggings, phone theft, car theft, bike theft, burglaries etc.
Human trafficking gangs using houses of multiple occupancy in quiet suburban neighbourhoods as brothels and to accomodate their victims.
Jamaican Yardies intimidating vunerable people into using their homes as grow houses.
Muslims vs Christians values, or Muslims vs Sikhs, or Muslims vs Hindus.
Middle Class Progressive Leftists vs conservative working classes.
LGBTQ+ vs 'hetro normativity', the Trans lobby vs TERFs, Gay Pride vs conservative Christain values.
Environmentalists vs everyone else, Car drivers vs Cyclists.
County lines drug gangs vs the police and local communities,
Newly arrived immigrants vs traditional communities,
Traditional London communitites having to deal with; rape culture, gang culture, gun culture, post code knife crime, FGM, honour killings, grooming gangs and general social distrust.
The liberal political elite dismantling the disenfranchised white working class communities with hostle housing policy, high rents, impossible house prices and more generally through the denigration of white working class cultural values.
The liberal metropolitan elite don't feel it so they don't just fail to acknowledge it in the media, they actively create the narrative that nothing is going wrong, 'Nothing to see here, everybody's fine,'
They simply haven't got a clue.
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Distracting from one problem issue by pointing at a different separate issue is not a particularly convincing argument.
Let's put things into context:
Estimated value of UK assets owned by the US=£1,000bn.
Estimated value of UK assets owned by Germany =£149bn, France=£104bn, India=£42bn, Australia=£22.
Estimated value of UK assets owned by Russian oligarchs=£18bn.
Meanwhile: there are currently no Russians living in houses of multiple occupants in my town, none taking up school places for their kids, none taking GP appointments at my local health centre or using up beds in my local hospital, none getting free dental appointments at my local dentist, none claiming benefits, raising rents, depressing wages and making ordinary properties in ordinary towns more expensive.
Most importantly, no young Russian men are currently living rent free, with free food, tv, clean bedding and private health care in various luxury hotels all around the country. Oh yes, and the Russian oligarchs don't cost the country £8million per day as far as I can tell.
Having never been interested in multi million pound mansions, luxury yachts, designer clothes and super cars, I must admit the oligarchs don't really bother me.
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Poor old Stelios, he looked like he was having a nightmare, imagining super-modern, driverless taxis, with intoxicated idiiots puking in the back, on their way to yet another soulless, Tinder asignation. Admittedly it does sound horrible. On a wider scale; the thought of a frictionless, transaction-based, automated, convenience based life-style sounds even more miserable and pointless.
We are faced with a dangerously dystopian future, where corporations will be able to take away the purpose of day to day living while convincing you that they are making your life easier. In the case of Amazon, who have been operating this disruptive model for years, the unintended costs are now quite clear: empty shops, empty high streets, urban decay, more traffic, huge amounts of wastage, environmental damage and less social cohesion.
Of course it will throw up opportunities to invest in the companies creating the infrastructure, that is what will drive the changes, but it will also hollow out human life and make it sterile, empty and miserable. Look at how Deliveroo sponsors obesity, illegal immigration, traffic chaos and delinquency. The unintended costs always outweigh the benefits. I doubt if that will make any difference in the long run.
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@alanwilliams3677 I knew somebody would reply with a comment like this. I'm not trying to a propose that money is a solution to urban decay and social alienation.
I'm trying to explain that racism is not the sole cause of inequality. I'm not suggesting that money is the solution either, although money can certainly solve some problems. But if you want an argument about whether or not disadvantaged communities should be allowed fair and consistant funding because you resent them being given ping pong tables, how about just allowing them public libraries, public swimming pools, playing fields, a decent public housing stock, decent schools, roads that are not over crowded and filthy, repairs and renewals to public facilities done promptly and properly, access to further education and a generally more pleasant environment.
By the way the underfunding I am referring to was in education and housing. Compare it with boroughs like Westminster, Kensington and Chelsea, Hammersmith and Fulham and you will see what I mean. In those boroughs you can clearly see the benefits of living amongst communities who refuse to be marginalised.
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The 14 Year Tory legacy
Name one institution that is better now than it was fourteen years ago.
Are wages fairer than they were 14 years ago? Have normal people enjoyed a rise in their standard of living?
Are we safer, more secure, healthier or wealthier? Have we built back better? Have we levelled up? Have we ‘got Brexit done’?
Are the rich richer? Do the wealthiest have more sense of moral duty to contribute or reinvest their wealth in this country, do they pay more tax or less. Is it easier for wealthy individuals to find tax loop holes?
Do the large successful corporations such as Amazon pay more into the exchequer or less?
Are dividends higher? Are the salaries of top executives fairer?
Is the wealth of the nation being reinvested back into our own economy or is more of it going to China, the Saudis, the Americans, the French or simply off shore tax havens?
Is it easier now to own your own home? Is it easier now to afford your rent? Are rents fairer? Is there more social housing? Is there sufficient social housing? Is there more or less homelessness?
Is the NHS better run and more efficient? Are health outcomes better or worse. Is our life expectancy longer or shorter? Are there more beds or less. Is your local GP’s service better or worse? Are junior doctors or nurses better paid? Are there fewer staff shortages now or more? Is there even sufficient numbers of doctors and nurses? Is treatment easier to receive, and mental health issues better managed and more promptly dealt with? Is it easier to see a dentist? Is private health insurance more or less necessary to secure adequate care and treatment? Is there more obesity, heart disease or diabetes are they being better treated? Is the ambulance service better or worse? Are better without the Community Health Council? Are waiting lists longer or shorter?Do people have more or less control over the treatment they receive? Are there less drug misuse deaths?
Is the police force better than it was? Are there more successful prosecutions and convictions than 14 years ago? Are prisons better run and less overcrowded? Do we feel safer or better served by the police service? Are women safer on our streets? Are the elderly safer in their homes? Are the courts more efficient? Is legal aid better and easier to secure? Are sentences fairer or more proportionate? Do shop lifters and other petty criminals get caught, prosecuted and punished more or less. Are burglaries investigated more thoroughly or less?
Do we have more or less illegal migrants? Are we paying for more illegal migrants to be housed or less? Is immigration lower or higher? Is our national security better served by our army, navy, air force, border patrols, customs? Do we have sufficient weapons to support our allies and equip our own forces? Are ex service people better cared for? Do we have more crimes committed by asylum seekers and illegal migrants or less? Do those of them who commit crimes get deported more easily now than they did 14 years ago or less so? Do we have more public order issues with protesting interest groups now or less? Do the police discriminate against UK citizens more now or less?
Is our power supply, food supply chain, our commodity supply chain more or less secure? Is our position in the world stronger or weaker? Are our dealings with foreign powers more ethical or less so?
Is public transport better? Are the services more efficient than they were? Are there adequate numbers of bus routes? Are there more services? Are they easier to use and cleaner? Are the railways better run and more efficient?
Are schools better? Are pupils leaving school better equipped for the work place. Are pupils better prepared academically. Are there more and better teachers. Are teachers better motivated and better supported? Do teaching salaries attract good prospective teachers. Are children healthier? Are there sufficient opportunities to receive vocational training or skills, apprenticeships or mentoring? Are there more opportunities for young people now?
Are prices fairer? Is there more or less entrepreneurial opportunities? Is it easier to start your own business? Are there more local shops in our high streets? Is it easier to find qualified staff to fill job vacancies? Are there less rules and regulations to govern businesses and services.
Are our rivers and waterways cleaner? Is our food healthier? Do we have more wind farms and renewable energy sources? Are weather extremes better prepared for? Are our farmers enjoy more support and less administrative restrictions? Do farmers have more or less bureaucracy governing how they manage their crops, their livestock, their fields? Are rural economies stronger ore weaker. Is it easier for young people to stay in their local areas and find meaningful work or harder?
Are there more food banks? Are there more industrial disputes? Is the need for ‘warm banks’ greater or lesser than 14 years ago? Are there more libraries, more parks and green spaces, more public swimming pools?
Have our taxes been more sensibly spent and invested? Track and trace, furlough payments, seven vaccines per citizen (money that goes straight into the pockets of Pfizer). Are we better at reclaiming public funds when they have been paid out to fraudsters and misappropriated?
Have standards in public office been raised or even maintained? Do we trust our Parliamentarians more than we did twelve years ago, do we expect them to tell the truth, stick to their promises or even complete the tasks they set out to achieve with our money (HS2)? Donthey deserve their constant salary increases more now than they did 14 years ago?
Are there more bankrupt local councils? Is there more public service debt? Have public services got better or worse? Do street lights have to be dimmed to save money more now or less? Does your local high street look more successful and welcoming now than it did 14 years ago?
Would Labour do any better?
Couldn't do any worse could they?
Convince me I’m wrong, please comment below, I need a laugh!
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@Percole @Percole Thanks for the reply.
In the UK we have the far left (Revolutionary Communists, Socialists, SWP, Greens and Radical Progressives) the moderate left (Labour Party, various unions, Fabian Society) the centrists (Classical Liberals, Social Democrats, Liberal Democrats) the right (Conservatives, Reform UK) and the far right (which could include fascists, ethno-nationalists and radical libertarians). It is a spectrum or it at least it used to be.
First of all Brexit caused fractures amongst each of those groups, then the 'woke' agenda and the trans ideologies started cut across those dividing lines too. Populist politics also. The conflict in Gaza has split the left and political lslamism seems to have taken over the Greens.
Nationalist sentiments can be found in amongst many of the ideological groups both right and left. Now we have 'woke' conservatives, nationalist/populists and globalists on both the right and the left.
The one thing you can sure of is everybody hates the moderates in the centre! Probably because they are not solely informed by ideology, tend to be led by logic and evidence and can see sense on both sides of an argument. I consider myself to be in that group, but you never know, if you ask my nephew, I might be a fascist! Who knows?
Thanks for the reply.
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Well done for the interview chaps. Well done FF for pushing back by stating the obvious implications of what she said, no one had ever done that with her before,
It's all very well her being frank now but, when she was in power she never gave a straight answer to a question, she endlessly repeated her pre-prepared talking points, she communicated in ideological catch phrases, she refused to acknowledge the problems her predecessor had created and now she won't take personal responsibility for her own failures.
Let's not forget she was more than happy to back Cameron, May and Johnson, all of whom have done untold damage to our national institutions as well as not putting right any of the things they complain have restrained their progress. You can't blame the 'economic establishment' for that.
If 'things don't work and there's something wrong.' who's fault is that?
She was never intellectually capable of being a Prime Minister and those who selected her clearly did not have the nation's interests at heart. We have been betrayed by the system, yes of course, but let's not forget how recklessly she endangered the economy and the lasting damage she has caused.
She is a product of the 55 Tufton Street lobby groups who put theory above reality and we are all better off without her anywhere near the seat of power. Let her return to the obsccurity she deserves.
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Why oh why does our so called 'government' not understand that Britain is too great. That is why ecomonic migrants are willing to risk our filthy, English Channel to live here. We have the best history, that is why we lead the world in flags, memorials and statues. Our NHS is the envy of the world, that's why you can always hear tourists saying how jealous they are of it. Why do people come over here to steal our jobs? Because we have the best jobs. We have nicer food. We have Coronation Street. Even our gays, like Alan Turing or Stephen Fry, are better than the foriegn ones. Americans like our politicians, like Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson and Michael Gove. Perhaps we should all concentrate on making Britain less great? Not Wales though, obviously, that's a horrible place.
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Amazing! I thought I'd give 'The Rest Is Politics' a try and In the first few minutes alone this podcast managed to misrepresent the facts multiple times.
The newspaper cut-out quote shown says TR is in prison for 'fraud and violent criminal record'; he's in prison for contempt of court, which is not a criminal offence.
TR is described as 'far right'. He has repeatedly distanced himself from far right movements throughout his activism.
He is not anti-Muslim he is anti-Islamism. One is a group of people with various beliefs and attitudes, the other is an ideology.
He has 'Links' with football hooligans; he has not been 'linked' to a football hooligan gang since he was a youth.
Despite Rory implying otherwise, In Rotherham, Rochdale, Telford, Oldham and over 50 other UK cities and towns, it has been repeatedly proven that Pakistani men (muslims) in organized gangs have been sexually assaulting underage English girls.
The cases being discussed are not from 20 years ago, they are ongoing. Some maintain the abuse is still occuring to this day.
The men in question (not Asian but Kasmiri Pakistanis) did not 'make friends' with their victims, they intoxicated them with drugs and drink, and it was not in 'parks' it was outside their schools and in many cases outside care homes.
It is not a 'far right' stance to consider these men a threat to English girls or to question the value system they may hold that allows them to commit these crimes.
At that point I gave up. I shouldn't be surprised, neither of these two men have ever taken a stance on behalf of the abused girls in the past so why should they now? They much prefer to make ad hominem attacks on individuals like TR and EM.
Can I just add, the issue should not be Elon Musk passing comments or TR's patchy personal history, it should the necessity for the guilty (including senior police officers, labour councillors, community leaders) to be brought to justice on behalf of the victims. I notice neither men are interested in talking about that.
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One thing Mr Moyes could have said was that he is successful 'at the moment' . One of the things that he must have observed over the years is that things can change very quickly in football. It is very easy for the wheels to fall off overnight. So his biggest achievement at West Ham has been to establish a degree of consistency. This has led to a degree of success more than anything.
Of course a 'hard work' ethos amongst the team and staff helps and establishing a style of play that everyone understands and buys into helps. He seems to communicate that very well and that may be assisted by an excellent backroom staff that he has assembled around himself. The players trust him and welcome his input. But there are limitations to his approach.
Over the past few years he has navigated the transfer windows quite poorly, admittedly not wasting money, but not investing it especially wisely either. He has allowed very expensive players to leave at great loss to the club (Haller and Anderson) without properly replacing them. He has brought in new talent cheaply (Soucek, Bowen, Coufal, Lingard) but not always successfully (Yarmolenko, Banrahma, Vlasic, Kral).
Developing a better scouting system must be one of his current concerns and to be seen to bring in top quality players who can improve the team by not being afraid to spend. This summer will be pivotal if he is to move forward as many of his stalwarts are coming to the end of their contracts or their careers (Noble, Ogbonna, Fabianski, Cresswell, Fredricks etc).
Also, he rarely makes use of the talent from the under 23s academy who currently have an excellent crop of promising youngsters (Alese, Chesters, Okoflex, Forson, Perkins etc)
He also seems reluctant to use players on the bench, preferring to rely on a very small group of trusted individuals who always get picked to start. This works well until they become injured or when the fixtures pile up. Michail Antonio is a case in point who has no obvious replacement and has commented that he would like more competition for his place to motivate him to raise and maintain his standards
However, as far as representing his employers, the club, the players and the fans, he does a fantastic job. He embodies a common sense, down to earth and humble philosophy really well. He seems somewhat old fashioned by modern media standards, but that only serves to improve his profile. Never too happy, never too miserable retaining his dignity. No controversial soundbites but lots of common sense. He has shown great ethical standards too. People like him. People respect him.
But the real test of David Moyes will be whether he can leave a lastng legacy of achievement: silverware, glory.
Improving West Ham's level in the Prem year on year is important, European competition is important. Great games at the stadium create wonderful memories. But to be considered as a trully high achieving British manager he must win trophies! He must bring home silverware!
So far nothing. Fingers crossed. Come On You Irons!
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@КурочкаКрашена Interesting choices, let me push back a little.
Democracy: Labour got 9.7m votes in the last election, 33% of those who voted, 411 seats. Reform got 4m votes, 14% of the vote, 5 seats. Meanwhile the Lib Dems got 3.5m votes, 12% of the vote, 72 seats. Doesn't seem very representative to me.
Meanwhile Boris Johnson, who won in 2019, by promising Australian style 'high skill, low numbers' immigration delivered mass immigration on unprecedented levels for three years. This is a typical example of 'Offer the voters one thing deliver another' type democracy, just as 'stronger borders' were specifically promised but not delivered after the Brexit vote in 2016. Another example: every UK political party since the 1960s that has mentioned immigration in their manifesto has promised to limit or lower it. Despite people repeatedly voting for this, it has never happened. Doesn't seem very democratic to me.
Dignity in public life? The Tories pretty much destroyed that with the Pattison scandal, the Pincher scandal, Michele Mone, Party Gate, Hancock, Dominic Cummings breaking Lock down restrictions, preroguing Parliament, lying to the House, lying to the Queen, leaking emails, cheating on tax payments, cheating on expenses, accepting gifts, wallpaper, dresses,, the list is very long...
Party Donations: in the 2024 election alone the Conservatives received £10m from Frank Hestor, £10m from Lord Sainsbury, £5m from Mohammad Mansour, while Labour recieved £5m from Gary Lubnor, £2m from Fran Perrin, over £5m from David Sainsbury and his wife and £13m from other assorted individuals. All our political parties depend upon party donations. Some might say this opens the door to unfair influence and possibly corruption. Talking of which...
Politicians' Personal Wealth; Blair £60m, Sunak £651m and rising, Johnson made £5m in the last six months of his term in office alone, Farage's personal wealth has risen to £4m since taking up his seat in the House. All our politicians make money in addition to their salaries as a direct result of their position as an MP, buying or being gifted shares in companies they have favoured while in office, receiving government contracts or even just inflating their expenses and receiving unsolicited gifts.
Authoritarianism: The Conservatives introduced the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 and the Public Order Act in 2023 to significantly increase state power, police power, to potentially criminalise peaceful protest, including creating laws to cancel expressions of protests that are 'too noisy'. The British public has never been so carefully surveilled, monitored and recorded, our on line speech, our movements, our medical records and our bank accounts are all vunerable to state or corporative intervention. However since lockdown it has become aparent that the British actually embrace authoritarianism and would happily adopt vaccine passports, digital ID, voter ID on top of the ubiquitous face recognition software used in shopping precincts and housing estates all over the UK. I should point out that none of this has ever received a democratic mandate but seems to mostly be adopted entirely without public debate.
Meanwhile the Labour Government, without any mention of their intention to do so in their manifesto, has ramped up 'non crime hate laws', is criminalising on-line speech as well as applying substantially increased custodial sentences for those involved in events like the recent Southport protests. Seems increasingly authoritarian to me.
You mention our legal system but It is now widely believed that there is a highly politicised two tier policing and justice system operating in England. Non political prisoners are freed to create space for political prisoners. The rich, like Prince Harry can pay to get justice while the poor, such as the grooming gang victims, the infected blood victims, the Post Office post masters, wait decades for paltry compensation. The establishment rarely get brought to justice, like in the case of Hillsborough or the grooming gangs, while ordinary people get punitive sentences to 'set an example'. Meanwhile illegal migrants get free legal advice and legal aid from human rights lawyers and refugee charities. The police no longer operate 'without fear or favour' as demonstrated by the grooming gang scandal and the differing approaches adopted by the Met to the policing of the weekly Pro Gaza protests or the post Southport protests in Whitehall. Seems like quite an unfair system to me and it seems to be getting worse.
Academia: UK Universities were considered so politically biased, with nine out of ten academics identifying as left wing, that they were in 'a free speech crisis'. Cancel Culture, no platforming, deconstructing or decolonizing the curriculum (for example; considering Science or Classical Music as tools of colonisation and introducing native 'ways of knowing' as an alternative) became so concerning that the previous government attempted to introduce laws to ensure that ' reasonable steps' were taken to promote free speech on campus. This has now been cancelled by the current government who felt it would 'cause harm and appalling hate speech' on campus, despite Jewish students enduring both those things on a daily basis. UK Academia has long been lost to the long march through the institutions and it was captured long, long ago.
Dignity, Respect and compassion for citizens; tell that to the victims of Islamist terror, or the freezing pensioners, workers who are forced to use food banks, those who are forced to endure the street crime, the stabbings on the bus, the victims of Pakistani paoedophile rape and torture gangs, organized gangs of beggars, the county lines drug gangs, those who experience homelessness, those who have to use A&E and are placed in corridors in our hospitals, those who use the railways or the buses, the post office, the police, the ambulances, the GPs, the dentist, the prison service, social services, parole officers, council housing officers,. Tell that to those who can't afford their rent, who can't get on the property ladder, those who suffer no fault evictions, with no libraries, no public swimming pools, refuse in the streets, deserted high streets, abandoned industries, migrant hotels, month-long Pride celebrations, local councils paying for Palestinian flags to be waved from lamp posts and rainbow traffic crossings, weekly Pro Hamas marches ....I could go on but I'm sure you get the picture.
British values are not as robust as they used to be, the country is less unified as to what those values should be and is becoming increasingly less confident in defending them. The liberal, metropolitan elite establishment want our values to be the embracing of diversity, tolerance and inclusion. They want us to believe that we always believed in those things and that there is virtue in those values. They also increasingly want those people who do not share those values to be publicly vilified, mischaracterised and excluded from the body politic. Meanwhile they are becoming more authoritarian in their efforts to stop us questioning whether or not these particular values actually serve our interests. We are encourged to think we should not put our national interest first, but to consider the planet instead, we are asked to favour other cultures over our own, to protect minorities within the UK rather than the majority but to consider the global majority as so virtuous and authentic that we should despise and relegate our own national identity, and like Stephen Fry, to be uncomfortable and slightly ashamed of ourselves while we do it.
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"Its the wrong BREXIT!".....I don't remember anyone warning the public in 2016 that, if we did indeed go for Brexit, there would be so many ways it could go wrong through being poorly implemented? Oh, hang on, yes they did and it was all dismissed in the press as 'project fear' from 'remoaners'.
By the way, we now control our borders (no improvements there), control our legislation (no improvements there), control immigration (numbers higher now than three years ago), we are now free to make trade deals with countries outside of the EU like Japan, NZ and Aus (no improvement there, in fact for farmers for example, we are worse off) and we are now free to exercise our soveriegnty (higher taxes, poorer public services, depressed wages, poorer working conditions and record levels of public debt). More restrictions on trade, crossing borders, Northern Ireland, freeeom of movement, markets being closed to us and no way of directly influencing the French and Germans in relation to the war in the Ukraine.
Can't seem to think of any benefits at all at this point...perhaps Jacob Rees Mogg could, but I can't.
So how long is Farage now encouraging us to think we have to wait until we get the right Brexit? Is it after we get rid of this pro Brexit Tory government and elect a largely Brexit sceptic Labour Party? Or after we have dumped all the remaining EU laws, safeguards, regulatiions and rights? Will we be more competitive when we have done away with all the EU employment law, environmental protection and regulation of standards? Or should we wait until inflation and fuel prices come down? Or when global trade returns to its pre-Ukraine levels? Or when COVID 19 disappears? Should we be pursuing stronger trade links with the US or the CCP or both? Or should we just strike all Eu law and regulation regardles of how sensible, appropriate or necessary they are?
Of course that will also exclude us from any kind of trade with the European single market which will bankrupt many small businesses or force them to relocate, taking their jobs, products and taxes with them. Is that what we are now waiting for?
Like a race to the bottom of the barrel?
Less wealth more unfairly distributed, less international security, less opportunity, less social mobility, less control over the country's destiny, less food security, less energy security. Precisely the opposite of what Farage encouraged us to think we would get if we supported BREXIT.
Do you ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
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Its important to recognise the difference between a manager's personality and the outcomes of their actions. Mr Moyes is clearly a charming bloke with great knowledge, insight and experience. But, at the moment, he is clearly failing and this interview will look extremely ironic if he ultimately gets sacked next week. He has been responsible for a couple of years of reletive success, breaking many club records, but for many months he has stagnated and he seems unable to address the slide into mediocrity.
He is known for 'dithering' and, unlike his mentor Sir Alex, being very slow to recognise the need for timely intervention. He has shown a certain stubborness, not being willing to drop his favourites even when they are clearly struggling. He undermines the confidence of certain fringe players and does not bring through promising prospects from the youth academy. He has failed to recognise that his tactics now appear to be flawed, he is always unnecessarily defensive, predictable and easy for opponents to overcome.
Subsequently West Ham have slipped into the relegation zone and Mr Moyes does not seem to have the neccessary tools to turn things round.
Nevertheless, of course, he is a charming chap and deserves respect for what he has done in the past but if I was a share holder of an exec on the Board of West Ham PLC I would be pressing for his replacement.
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@Michaelw777.52 It is interesting that you should suggest India as a possible economic/immigration partner for the UK. We have a long tradition of immigration from the Indian subcontinent in the UK, especially in the sixties and seventies. Most of the children and grand children of those immigrants are now a fundamental part of our society just as you describe in your previous comment. Our current PM, Home Secretary, Mayor of London are all part of that diaspora. The list is quite extensive.
However in more recent times India has quite consciously positioned itself, politically and economically, quite separately from the UK. For example the Indian government has failed to support sanctions against Russia and still involves itself in various economic relationships with China which the UK is becoming increasingly suspicious of. In many ways India is asserting its global independence now and has turned away from its traditional links with the UK.
Instead we have an ever closer relationship with Bangladesh, Pakistan and certain West African nations such as Ghana and Nigeria. In recent governmental statistics on immigration by far the majority came from those countries.
This in itself is very ironic as most anti immigration sentiment in Britain before Brexit was not actually directed at the Poles, Czechs or Romanians who were entering Britain because of EU freedoms, but rather the African communities but especially the largely muslim Pakistani and Bangla Deshi communities that were seen as dangerously anti Western in their ideology and religion.
Thisnis of course was a narrative that was widely promoted by the right wing mainstream press and was instrumental in the anti EU sentiment prior to the Brexit referendum..however misplaced that logic may now seem.
In other words, the UK was very sensitive to issues surrounding immigration and continues to be. Those issues always include a distrust of other races, religions and cultures and the fear of being 'replaced' culturally and socially. Once again, very ironic considering our history of immigration from our empire, Ireland, Eastern Europe, Protestant France etc etc, We are a nation built on immiration going back to the Romans, the Celts, the Vikings and the Normans. I won't bother mentioning the prehistoric 'beaker people'. Its almost like a running joke.
This is my question to Peter. Given that British people have always been quite reluctant to openly embrace immigration, particularly from other ethnicities, how can we possibly address our population drop off?
On a lighter note check out this link, it says it all much better than I ever could,
https://youtu.be/1cgeXd5kRDg
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@perrywidhalm114 My point is that you can't just assume that 'traditional' models of church, state, family and society are going to fit with modern, multi cultural, multi ethnic populations and be better than all modern social institutions. You can't assume Christianity is best. You can't assume women would be 'happier' without contraception. You can't assume removing social welfare produces more robust families, you can't assume that forcing unhappy marriages to stay together produces better adjusted children. You have to prove it. Look at societies beyond the West where those values are more prevalent. Are they better, more functional, more socially cohesive than our own. Were societies in the past, like those in Victorian or Georgian times, more functional than our own, without unrest, without riots, without police brutality or racism? Of course not. I know enough about history and anthropology to know conflict has always existed and so has disfunction, despite the so called 'traditional values'.
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Individual responsibility with communal support, systems of mentorship, productive, safe outlets for masculine physicality and realistic, flexible attitudes towards gender roles and biological differences producing competent, gentle, productive and well adjusted men? Wouldn't that be better for men and women? That's basically what Peterson has said in the past, as I understand it. It seems pretty obvious to me.
Meanwhile we suffer: pornography, drugs, criminality, absentee fathers, the war against the patriarchy, the decline of two parent families, marginalised isolated single men and young men without appropriate masculine role models, young boys without access to stable male influence and a general anti-male narrative expressed through the media. Peterson has discussed all of these and much of this is based upon uncontested empirical evidence.
He has stated that he thinks this produces a society that is mysogynistic and resentful to women in the home, in the workplace and in broader society. But he has also stated that it also supresses and opresses men, denying them avenues to safely and productively express their masculinity.
He acknowledges rape and mysogeny as a political issue as well as a social, biological, psychological and cultural one. He acknowledges it crosses class divisions, geographical distance and social conventions.
None of that seems unfair or untrue to me.
So why the rabid hatred for Jordan Peterson?
Is it because he challenges the dogmas of the mainstream or because he challenges individuals to improve themselves? Or is it because he doesn't seem to be tied to a particular ideology? Which part of the above (forget the stuff about God and Jesus) is wrong or even inaccurate?
Just a question...
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As a jounalist I think Peter imagines that if the mainstream media were to focus more fairly upon suffering caused or contributed towards by the West it would actually make a difference? It would have been very ironic if the British Government, encouraged by an informed British public, had insisted upon a no fly zone over Yemen, considering that most of the Saudi fighter bombers were sold to them (and maintained) by British Aerospace. Most people who give a damn know about it and are powerless to effect it politically.
Meanwhile, in the UK, our involvement with the Saudis is entrenched. We find ourselves pleading with the Saudis to sell us more oil (and to buy our football clubs) if we are to boycott Russian fuel exports, regardless of very well documented human rights violations and 80+ executions hurriedly carried out prior to BJ's state visit. Our very valuable arms exports are inextricably linked to the Saudis and their cruel regime.
Subsequently, not only does the rest of the world suspect that the West (and more specifically the UK) is entirely lacking in any kind moral or ethical consistency (Afghanistan, Palestine, Syria, Libya, Iraq) but most informed Westerners see it too (Oman, Quater, Saudi Arabia etc) and struggle to find any way to influence that situation. Despite how well or ill-informed they may be by the Western mainstream media.
But to describe our values as being explained by 'racism' isn't entirely fair.
If that were true, why were we not concerned when the Russians originally invaded the Dombas region, the Crimea, South Asetia or Chechnya?
Could the important factor be geographical proximity? Could it be the extent to which the agrressor threatens our own stability? Could it be that some geopolitical crises are simply easier to explain to the public? Sometimes the causes of the struggle are not clearly understood. Yemen is a good example, it is an inter Islamic religious conflict in essence. Understandably Western audiences are loathed to make judgements in such situations and don't fully understand the disputed issues. Hence the lack of interest from news editors. Its not that Westerners don't care or because they are 'racist'.
Of course the Western mainstream media is biased as to which narratives it choses to promote. But so are the Arab, Chinese, Latin American, South East Asian and of course the Russian news outlets. The Chinese are currently promoting the idea that Putin is a charismatic ally who has legitimate security concerns through their own state controlled media outlets . They are not focusing upon the Ukrainian suffering because it would not serve their narrative. The Indian mainstream media is similarly refusing to denounce Putin because of their own percieved 'neutrality'. Even the media outlets in Turkey and Israel are steering clear of making overt moral judgements about the Ukrainian crisis. However, they all report upon the USA and the West on a daily basis with great disdain and critical scrutiny (not entirely inaccurately).
Why do we expect the Western media to have a different modus operandi when it comes to issues relating to our own stated allies and enemies?
Media coverage doesn't lessen the suffering of the oppressed peoples of the World and only journalsists expect it to? It has never significantly improved the situation for Palestinians, it is not doing any practical good in Myanmar and international awareness of the plight of the Uighars in China is not helping them either.
Mass media coverage even serves to trivialise suffering sometimes and we all know it can sensationalise or even diminish armed conflicts when it becomes complacent.
My point is that; it is a lazy argument to suggest we don't focus upon certain global conflicts because we are racist.The Ukrainian crisis is getting wall to wall coverage because it may just be the most important event in European and global politics in a generation. It demands coverage and analysis because, like 9/11, all our notions of political order, global politics and economic certainties are being destroyed by it.
Yemen, Myanmar, The Uyghars, Afghanistan will all be overshadowed by this unfolding event. Even with meticulous coverage by the Western media, we will all be helpless as we watch it unfold, unable to minimise the suffering of the ordinary people involved in it.
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I just watched this professor's video in which he lays out his 'simple economics' analysis. It just goes to prove that economic theories often don't match up with reality.
He say that farmland is artificially valueable because millionaires have been using it as a tax dodge. True.
He says farming is artificially unprofitable because the supermarkets control prices. True
He thinks taxing the rich guys will bring down the value of the tax dodgers' land and so they will sell it, real farmers will buy the land and everyone will be happier. False.
What he doesn't acknowledge is, because the inheritance tax threshold is so low, if you inherit even a small farm you will have a large tax bill and no way of paying it (farmers are asset rich but cash poor. Farms struggle to make profit because of restrictive regulations and the unpredictable weather). You will have to sell off some of your land or your stock or your equipment or the buildings you own, to pay the inheritance tax. Small holders will simply have to sell the lot. Farmers will not want to buy the rich guys' land because it will increase their tax liability.
Land ends up getting sold to the mega-big, international, globalist agriculture corporations because they can offset and mitigate their tax liabilities.
As the young farmer inbthe clip points out, farms will get sold and food production will move into the hands of the international corporations and the agri-giants. Meanwhile all our British rural traditions, culture, links to the land, animal husbandry, protection of wildlife and community involvement get sold off to faceless forces of global capital. The exact people he's trying to penalize.
Brilliant.
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@alanwilliams3677 Great point. Social conditions have improved since Victorian times, consumerism has provided more comfort and nicer household conveniences, we are generally healthier, better fed and longer lived. Children are not forced to go up chimneys and we no longer have the poor house or the debtor's prison, we have state pensions, state education, sick pay, worker's rights and even women can vote. So why do you thinknthings are worse?
This idea that all our social woes stem from multi culturalism, I believe is a falacy. Victorian London did have a multi-cultural aspect, especially in East London. In an area like Whitechapel you would find Eastern European Jews and Gentiles, Oriental communities such as the 'Lascars' and the Chinese, Portuguese, Arab, Indian, West and East Africans, West Indian and Middle Eastern communities. That's not to mention Irish catholics, Scottish protestants and straight forward old English working classes. It was the centre of an empire after all. The original melting pot, with different religions, languages and dress.
As far as levels of violence is concerned I'm not convinced. Obviously the Metropolitan Police was in it's infancy for most of the Victorian era and statistics are hard to find or corroborate. But if our society is more violent nowadays I still don't accept that it is as a consequence of only multi culturalism any more than it is only as a consequence of poverty, poor education, poor housing conditions, cost of living, tv violence or video games etc etc. It is a consequence of all those things combined. Plus nowadays we also have social media, American pop culture, the glamorisation of violence in movies and tv and of course knife crime. They all feed into the picture in my opinion.
I think our country is less racist, more tolerant and has more liberal values generally, but I don't think that this has made us more violent, I just think we are made more aware of violence because of the news media and so on. American society is much more violent than ours and levels of violence in places like Brazil and South Africa make the UK look much safer.
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Certainly Blair ramped it up, but Cameron continued it and May too. But let's not overlook the fact that it was Boris Johnson who turbo charged it. In 2019 he promised highly qualified, highly paid Australia style immigration. Then, post COVID, without consulting the public, he went against that to introduce the most liberal system we have ever had. He even removed the rule that jobs should be advertised in the UK before elsewhere. Sunak has made a pathetic attempt to raise the minimum salary threshold under his watch, but the last two years have seen the highest levels of mass immigration in this country's history. We went from tens of thousands each year to well over a million, leaving net migration of around 750,000 in each of the last two years.
Blair certainly can be blamed but let's not let the Tories off the hook, they have been much, much worse.
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A very disappointing bit of virtue signalling and fluff from the once erudite Mr Fry. He doesn't seem to understand how far our political culture has shifted in the last twenty years or so. He's still concerned about authoritarian threat of 'the right', of Farage or Reform, of Thatcher or Mary Whitehouse. He thinks the words that are being restricted are swear words, that trans kids need to be protected from being the butt of jokes, that blasphemy laws relate to old fashioned Christian sensibilities and that 'the liberal elites' are not a real thing, certainly not something to be concerned about, he doesn't think we should express our hatred. He doesn't seem to have noticed that we are no longer allowed to.
He doesn't seem to understand that it is the left that are the authoritarians now, that the language has being stolen by ideologues, that the capture of the institutions is not an abstract concept, that Trump is not an evil entity but perhaps the media that lies about him may be, that we don't mistrust the leader of Hungary, we might actually be interested in his independence from the globalists.
He also doesn't seem to understand how irrelevant his style of woolly liberal Englishness is and how redundant and endangered it has become. 'Fair play' only applies to certain 'oppressed' groups and his feeling of shame and embarassment at expressing pride in Britishness is half the reason why we got here.
Sadly he has very little to offer.
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@ILikeFreedomYo in the UK we don't have a constitution just a complicated set of historic statutes.Education budgets are set by a combination of the Chancellor and the Exchequer. The same applies to healthcare, the police, the army etc etc.
These budgets are then paid to local and municipal governments, regional health authorities and regional police authorities, who can then allocate the money as they see fit. Some are better than others at doing this, some have different priorities. All of them have been experiencing lower budgets i(n real terms, when taking into account inflation) probably since 2008.
Subsequently many local education authorities have put constraints on education spending for many years, this is reflected in salaries and the working conditions. Similarly in hospitals have had to pay staff less and cut back on repairs and renewals. The police and the army have severely cut their numbers.
Public sector workers have had the right to strike and have had it for over 100 years. Obviously they don't feel they should give that right up, so successive governments have restricted what they can do through the law. The general public in this country are split about the degree of freedom unions should have, while public sector workers have some of the strongest and well supported unions in the country. They also have some of the most poorly paid and under valued jobs.
With professions like nurses and teachers there is a historic reluctance to strike, with the police and the army it is simply illegal. But also in these occupatiins there is a reluctance to leave the profession (because it is seen as a vocation) and this may explain why they are often so under valued and poorly paid.
Meanwhile the government has allowed their terms and condiions to deteriorate for almost a decade, subsequently there are some that want to strike but also many who see they have no choice and are reluctantly leaving the professions.
If you want good services provided by competent professionals you have to pay them fairly and value the work they do, otherwise you get very poorly delivered services, industrial disputes and societal disharmony. That is what we are currently experiencing in the UK. The strikes and the urge to strike are a symptom of the maliase, not its cause. The cause is over a decade of austerity, shocks to the economy, Brexit fall out, poor government oversight, ideological conflict, a cost of living crisis and declining standards of living.
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I've had plenty of Muslim friends and colleagues over the years and, with one or two exceptions, if you were to press them on any subject, by far the majority would reveal themselves as quite anti-semitic, very intolerant of homosexuality and generally inclined towards conspiratorial narratives of western oppression of Islam. When pressed on Islamic thought and belief they are usually defensive and strangely unwilling to go into details or publicly criticise other muslims with more extreme opinions.
This is because moderate westernized muslims know their position is not considered legitimate by traditional Islamic belief and practise, and are a little unwilling to explain to non-muslims what the doctrines of Islam trully are.
I think the woman on LBC is correct, Westerners should talk more to their muslim friends and neighbours and try to get a better understanding of what they think and believe. Rather than allaying their fears, it would go some way to overcome the institutional Islamophilia this country suffers from and the ignorance of most liberal westerners about what Islamic doctrine trully involves.
Ask them, for example, what they think of Zionism and what exactly should happen to Israel and the people it currently contains. Ask them their attitude towards homosexuality and what should be done with gay men.
Ask them what they think about liberal, democratic values in general.
Ask them what they think of America and what rights women should be 'allowed'.
Ask them what the age of consent for women should be or how many wives a muslim man should be allowed and whether it is acceptble for those men to sexually assault girls from other faiths or even their own wives and daughters.
Ask them if its acceptable for a middle aged man to have an arranged marriage with an underage girl. Ask them if it is okay to marry your cousin.
Ask them what they think about 'honour killings.
Ask them what they are taught should happen to muslims who choose to reject Islam.
Ask them how Christians and Jews who live in Islamic countries should be treated and what their status should be.
Ask them whether the UK would better or worse if it was to adopt Shariah law. Ask them if they would be happy living uner the Caliphate.
Ask them if they would ever be prepared to fight for the British Army if we were to go to war with a muslim country.
Ask them if muslims are allowed to lie to non-muslims or ask them why Muslim men don't like to shake hands with westerners particularly women.
Ask them if their religious identity comes before their national identity.
Ask them what they think will happen to non-muslims on the day of judgement.
Anyone who doesn't already know what the answers to those questions are likely to be, really needs to talk to some honest muslims. Good luck...
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As soon as he started talking about London, saying how great it is, he lost me. London is a dog eat dog world with not enough dog to go round.
We are not all the children of immigrants, nor are we surrounded by high agency individuals purposefully pursuing their life goals. It is not a melting pot, it is series of ghettos with very little integration and very little social cohesion. Mostly London is a range of separate identity groups and separate ethnic groups, following entirely separate agendas; competing against each other for a shrinking pool of resources and services, treating each other with distrust, hostility and resentment.
Try being part of a traditional white working class community, who have lived in a certain area for generations, being squeezed out of your own neighbourhood by a combination of gentrification and mass immigration, shopping at local shops where you are served by people who can't talk English, who no longer sell the products you want, where you are treated with suspicion and sometimes outright hostility because of your race, religion or ethnicity.
Try holding on to your traditional cultural values when, not only the people surrounding you don't share them, but they are being denigrated in local schools, by local councils, by the media and the broader community. Try spending some time in any average London Secondary School. Try getting a council flat. Try finding a fair rent. Try buying a house. Try having your home regulalrly burgled, or your bike stolen, or your car broken into, knowing that the police will do nothing. Try finding someone who is prepared to be a witness when a crimes occurs, even in broad daylight. Try walking around at night when you are constantly at risk of being mugged, having to avoid gang related drug and knife crime, random violent attacks, imported ethnic conflicts, two tier policing and anti white racism. Try objecting to a Palestinian or Rainbow flag being strung up outside your house. Try complaining about your Nigerian neighbours' anti-social behaviour to your Nigerian local council housing officer. Try driving around London regularly, trying to avoid all the parking restrictions, bus lanes, cycle lanes and traffic flow restrictions. Try to avoid getting a parking ticket or an extortionate Transport for London driving fine Try objecting to Ramadam and Eid being observed and celebrated, to the exclusion of Easter, in your work place. Try asking for help if you are elderly or disabled. Try getting an appointment with your local dentist or GP. Try getting a place for your kid at the only decent school in your neighbourhood.
Just try asking for directions and you'll see the social disconnect that currently exists in London: no one knows the city beyond their own ghetto, no one speaks the language properly, no one knows the social history of their own area and no one wants to help a stranger, even if they can.
Try riding on the tube or catching a bus late at night. Try talking to a stranger in a shop or in a neighbourhood you do not know. Try avoiding the needles and the homeless drunks and junkies when you go to your local park. Try finding a swimming pool, library or local pub that is still open.
Talk about luxury values; he hasn't got a clue. London is great when you are millionaire celebrity Jimmy Carr, not so great for everyone else.
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Simon's description of Bridgerton as 'really grotesque' because it features non white actors is very revealing. It is a historical fantasy drama, and not intended to be seen as historically accurate. No one thinks there was a black Queen in Regency times. It is simply a device to not exclude black and Asian actors from tv historical drama, they deserve to earn a crust too don't they, or should they only be allowed to play drug dealers and gang members in modern urban settings?
Bridgerton is not supposed to be realistic. Its supposed to be entertaining. Most people think it is and enjoy it for its superficiality, like a Regency 'Keeping up with the Kardashians'. Personally I don't like either show, but not because of the melanin in the skin of the principle characters. But I suspect that is the reason why Simon doesn't like it.
As for the complaints that he continually receives, I think that is because his views are always race critical, gender critical or in some way at odds with the social justice agenda. Whether they are based upon any historical analysis or not, they are always reactionary and anti-progressive..
His resentment of the modern SJW influences in society overwhelm his analysis and inform all of his opinions
He resents public figures (such as Emma Radicanu and Lewis Hamilton) who he sees as not being 'properly British', clearly because of the colour of their skin and not because of any defecit in the quality of their character or their competency.
He describes education as indoctrination but he clearly has very little understanding or experience of what teachers actually do in classrooms, what the curriculum demands, how teachers relate to the times they live in or how they approach multi cultural pupils in multi ethnic schools. I suspect that all he knows about modern teaching practise and content is what he gets from the right wing reactionary press. "Our history is becoming propaganda!" How does he know, has he visited schools to see how it is taught, has he sat in on any lessons? Of course not. If the teaching of history in British schools was really just the indoctrination of the woke agenda wouldn't OfStEd, the Ministry for Education and the Conservative government be strenuously opposing all that? It is a myth perpetuated by the likes of Simon and the reactionary right wing newspapers he reads.
He likes to characterise British history as 'under threat' from being taught in a particularly narrow way. But that is precisely what he does, or proposes should be done, ignoring race, gender and class from his analysis. Never question historical figures or the value of their actions. Never prosecute the past for injustice unless it has no bearing on race, gender etc. Never be sceptical of what the previous generations have taught as the orthodoxy and never undermine historical institutions. Sounds very authoritarian doesn't it? Needless to say, most professional historians would not approve of such restraints. Nor should they.
He describes British culture as 'high culture' implying that it is above every other or at least suggesting that other cultures are 'lower'?
He thinks 'great literature' should never be re-evaluated by new generations, even if it embodies values that are no longer held or reflects societies that are deeply flawed.
He resents modernity and pop culture and believes it has no merit. Perhaps because it is so often informed by non white influences.
He speaks for people who can not speak for themselves, but in many instances what he says should be very carefully unpacked before its taken as gospel. He likes to characterise his views as what most people think but dare not say. Most people do not think like him because they are not on a one man campaign to fight a race critical battle against modern culture through the use of the internet. Most people in Britain want to be tolerant and open minded, get on with their neighbours and make the best of it? Not enforce their culture on others.
He knows a fair bit about history but he is very selective about his choice of supporting evidence and quite deliberately biased in many cases. He exagerates and distorts facts to draw simple conclusions. Usually to support a race critical conclusion. For example, children are not taught that there was a 'black' Roman emperor who died in Britain. Responsible teachers teach that Severus was a Roman citizen who came from a Roman province in North Africa. Draw your own conclusions about how dark his skin was.
Because of all this Simon is a very problematic old chap. I suspect, however, he probably really enjoys the notoriety that he now enjoys? If not, he would pack it all in. Enoch Powell enjoyed notoriety too, didn't he? As did Sir Oswald Mosely. I could go on...
Of course there are those that admire him, but I wonder whether they support his analysis of history or rather support his problematic take on race and modern British social culture? I personally think he is smug and very unsettling. But that's just me, I'm a bit smug and unsettling myself.
Trolls, you may now begin...
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For Starmer's information: reasons for the protests:
1. The history of Islamist violence going back to 2005
2. Enforced mass immigration, despite electoral promises by both main parties to limit or reduce numbers.
3. The cost and anti-social threat posed by iillegal migrants.
4. The ‘woke’ progressive agenda undermining British history, culture and freedom of speech.
5. The mainstream media demonising, dismissing and mischaracterising the English working classes and those who speak for them (TR).
6. Two Tier policing.
7. The blatant imbalance of the PM and Home Secretary’s response.
8. The emergence and threat of 'political Islam'.
9. The rise of knife crime, grooming gangs, acid attacks and sexual violence on the streets of English towns.
10. The huge religious/ethnic ghettos, the failure of multi-culturalism and increasing lack of trust in national institutions,
11. The Pro Gaza marches with all the associated anti-Western rhetoric, anti-semitism and civil disobedience.
12. The housing crisis and cost of living crisis.
13. Imported foreign conflicts leading to violent disorder on English streets.
14. Finally and most significantly: three innocent little English girls brutally and senselessly murdered by a second generation immigrant.
Ignore the narrative about fake news, online disinformation and misinformation being deliberately spread. It is a minor detail.
Ignore the narrative about extremist agitators coming in from outside, if they exist at all they are on both sides of the divide.
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Human migration will characterise the next few decades as vunerable and disadvantaged populations chase security, resources and economic opportunities.
Nation states will either deal with that reality in a humane, ethical way: efficiently processing, accomodating and employing migrants, or become high security gated communities, at war with the inevitable flood of human traffic from less developed regions.
Those that chose the latter will necessarily develop dramatic and brutal disincentives to migrants and refugeees, severely penalising those that get caught trying to enter illegally and sending out a propagandist narrative to their own populations of security and protection. They may even describe this brutality as 'fairness' as Priti Patel did last week.
International law protecting migrants will inevitably begin to change to favour the developed nations. Treaties protecting the rights of the vunerable will be increasingly minimised or simply ignored. Once one nation begins to distance itself from international conventions others will gladly follow, like Denmark seem to want to follow the UK's lead and we want to follow Australia and Isreal. International law in the future will not protect human rights, but rather the rights of soverign states to protect their own borders in whatever way they choose. Probably violently.
Citizenship will become as valuable a commodity as housing and employment. Those without citizenship will experience terrible hardship, persecution and will be vunerable to exploitation. The state will develop laws that retain the right to remove citizenship from individuals and groups, for a range of reasons, social control being one, economic policy being another. The wealthy and the influential will enjoy the security of full citizenship and all the benefits that brings while the poor and vunerable will live in fear of their citizenship being withdrawn or limited as a punitive measure of social engineering.
Places like Rwanda will be only too willing to exploit this situation for their own economic and social reasons. Human rights and humanitarian issues will not be a priority and the developed nations, exporting their surplus human cargo, will be happy to turn a blind eye to these concerns. This will be the social policy for migration and displacement in the dystopian future of scarcity and cruelty, with the likes of Priti Patel as the architects, cheered on by hate fuelled mainstream media outlets and misinformed populations believing their countries are 'full up' despite the job vacancies and skill disparities.
With climate change. wars will be fought over resources such as oil, gas, food and water and those conflicts will create further waves of refugees and economic migrants. Will racism effect policy? Yes. Most countries make little effort to disguise their own ethnic, religious and cultural bias and this will of course feed into which populations are seen as 'good' migrants and which are 'bad'. Skin colour may be a factor but so might caste, ethnicity, religion, language, heritage or the nature of the conflict being escaped from. Like the differences we see in the UK in our response to refugees from Syria, Afghanistan and The Ukraine.
In the end we will all have to decide how we wish our own nations to proceed and hold our leaders to account. Otherwise people like Priti Patel will proceed, believing that they are serving the will of the people by being cruel and inflexible. I'm sure her plans for exporting people to Rwanda, like some kind of grotesque parody of a human trafficker, will not ultimately proceed. But I also think her plans are an indication of what the future may hold if we do not guard against it. Otherwise we may end up simply launching unwanted people into the Sun on one of Elon Musk's privately owned space craft!
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The reasons for the protests:
1. The history of Islamist violence going back to 2005
2. Enforced mass immigration, despite electoral promises to reduce numbers by both main parties.
3. The cost and anti-social threat posed by iillegal migrants.
4. The ‘woke’ progressive agenda undermining British history, culture and freedom of speech.
5. The mainstream media demonising, dismissing and mischaracterising the English working classes and those who speak for them (TR).
6. Two Tier policing.
7. The blatant imbalance of the PM and Home Secretary’s response.
8. The emergence and threat of 'political Islam'.
9. The rise of knife crime, grooming gangs, acid attacks and sexual violence on the streets of English towns.
10. The huge religious/ethnic ghettos, the failure of multi-culturalism and increasing lack of trust in national institutions,
11. The Pro Gaza marches with all the associated anti-Western rhetoric, anti-semitism and civil disobedience.
12. The housing crisis and cost of living crisis.
13. Imported foreign conflicts leading to violent disorder on English streets.
14. Finally and most significantly: three innocent little English girls brutally and senselessly murdered by a second generation immigrant.
Ignore the narrative about fake news, online disinformation and misinformation being deliberately spread. It is a minor detail.
Ignore the narrative about extremist agitators coming in from outside, if they exist at all they are on both sides of the divide.
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@OrangeNash Yes, good point. Let me illustrate the effect mass immigration and illegal migration is having upon housing in most towns and cities in the UK .
If you, your partner and your kids were unlucky enough to be made homeless (through a no fault eviction for example or an unaffordable raise in the rent) over the last three years, in any area of the UK with a large number of newly arrived immigrants and/or migrants, you discover that there is literally no suitable accommodation available. Not in the private rented sector or provided by the local authorities.
You can not apply for help from the council in advance of being evicted, so if you are given prior warning by the landlord that you will be evicted, it is pointless approaching local councils for help until the actual day of the eviction. In other words they force you to become homeless before they will consider helping you. You can not stay with friends or family as this will mean you are no longer technically homeless. Even staying in a tent in a friends garden will mean you are technically no longer considered homeless.
Emergency accommodation may possibly be provided in a 'half way' house, usually some distance from where the applicant usually lives, sometimes in a different town or county. This will be the kind of accommodation ordinarily provided for newly released prisoners, drug addicts, prostitutes and street sleepers etc, it is probably provided by a charity. This kind of accommodation does not allow residents to stay in the building during the day meaning most of the day you are forced out onto the streets. Keeping any personal affects or property is discouraged, to avoid theft. Children may sometimes be accommodated in the same building as known sex offenders.
Why is the awful situation a consequence of mass immigration? Because cheap rental accommodation in most UK cities and towns is now extremely scarce, if not non-existent. Landlords do not like renting to families, deposits are very high and many landlords now use a 'bidding' system, encouraging interested parties to offer to pay extra rent to get ahead of the queue. Most rental accommodation is now made up of 'houses of multiple occupants'. This is mostly intended for singles, rarely for couples, and very rarely meant to include children. This is the most profitable model for landlords as accommodating children or families involves much tighter regulation and raises various health and safety concerns.
Affordable social housing provided as part of a property development or by a charitable trust has to bid for online, usually with up to 250 applicants or more bidding for each property when it becomes available. This process happens monthly creating lengthy and frustrating delays, it also requires access to broadband/wi fi for long periods and an appropriate device.
The very small number of council houses available are allocated by a points system related to need. White, English speaking families do not score enough points to be considered a priority. Points are awarded on the basis of racial minority status, sexual identity, religious identity, disability, mental health issues and vulnerability. For this reason, newly arrived immigrants are considered a higher priority than those people already established in the borough, subsequently the system specifically discriminates against English people.
B&B accommodation is usually unavailable too. Landlords of B&Bs will often have private arrangements with employment agencies to provide recently arrived migrant workers with accommodation. These are usually occupied by workers in care homes or from the NHS. They are over crowded and unsanitary and rent is often significantly higher than it should be. It is an exploitative system but very profitable for landlords.
Hotels (anything up to and including 5 stars) are entirely taken up with illegal migrants now. Lately even student accommodation and luxury private property developments have been turned over to companies such as Serco to accommodate illegal migrants/asylum seekers/refugees. It is also very profitable for landlords as the Home Office (via private companies such as Serco) is able to offer long term contracts, completely occupying buildings as well as offering money to refurbish properties when contracts end. Recent contracts offered have been for up to nine years. Local people are not consulted when these deals are done.
For all the above reasons many ordinary English people and their families have fallen into homelessness, are living in unsuitable temporary housing or have spent long periods between stable housing situations.
Obviously mass immigration puts increased pressure on the availability of housing and this is happening in almost every area of England. But finding accommodation in areas where there is work available is especially difficult, in other words, in those areas where immigration is at its highest.
Most people in the UK are unaware of how serious this situation has become over the last few years. You will not hear pundits on the BBC or Chanel 4 discussing it because they have the privilege of owning their own homes, or they live in 'nice' neighbourhoods unaffected by this situation. However, I would bet that most of the rioters have friends or family currently experiencing housing difficulties of this nature or are involved themselves. Migrant hotels are simply the tip of the iceberg.
Is it any wonder that ordinary people feel threatened, undermined and unsafe by the advent mass immigration and the migrant crisis? Of course the stock of housing could and should be increased as (Jimmy the Giant) always points out but what he does not acknowledge is how the current situation unfairly discriminates against English people and how the private sector is financially incentivised to perpetuate this unfair system.
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@OrangeNash The effect of mass immigration and illegal migration upon housing in most towns and cities in the UK .
If you, your partner and your kids were unlucky enough to be made homeless (through a no fault eviction for example or an unaffordable raise in the rent) over the last three years, in any area of the UK with a large number of newly arrived immigrants and/or migrants, you discover that there is literally no suitable accommodation available. Not in the private rented sector or provided by the local authorities.
You can not apply for help from the council in advance of being evicted, so if you are given prior warning by the landlord that you will be evicted, it is pointless approaching local councils for help until the actual day of the eviction. In other words they force you to become homeless before they will consider helping you. You can not stay with friends or family as this will mean you are no longer technically homeless. Even staying in a tent in a friends garden will mean you are technically no longer considered homeless.
Emergency accommodation may possibly be provided in a 'half way' house, usually some distance from where the applicant usually lives, sometimes in a different town or county. This will be the kind of accommodation ordinarily provided for newly released prisoners, drug addicts, prostitutes and street sleepers etc, it is probably provided by a charity. This kind of accommodation does not allow residents to stay in the building during the day meaning most of the day you are forced out onto the streets. Keeping any personal affects or property is discouraged, to avoid theft. Children may sometimes be accommodated in the same building as known sex offenders.
Why is the awful situation a consequence of mass immigration?
Because cheap rental accommodation in most UK cities and towns is now extremely scarce, if not non-existent. Landlords do not like renting to families, deposits are very high and many landlords now use a 'bidding' system, encouraging interested parties to offer to pay extra rent to get ahead of the queue. Most rental accommodation is now made up of 'houses of multiple occupants'. This is mostly intended for singles, rarely for couples, and very rarely meant to include children. This is the most profitable model for landlords as accommodating children or families involves much tighter regulation and raises various health and safety concerns.)
Affordable social housing provided as part of a property development or by a charitable trust has to bid for online, usually with up to 250 applicants or more bidding for each property when it becomes available. This process happens monthly creating lengthy and frustrating delays, it also requires access to broadband/wi fi for long periods and an appropriate device.
The very small number of council houses available are allocated by a points system related to need. White, English speaking families do not score enough points to be considered a priority. Points are awarded on the basis of racial minority status, sexual identity, religious identity, disability, mental health issues and vulnerability. For this reason, newly arrived immigrants are considered a higher priority than those people already established in the borough, subsequently the system specifically discriminates against English people.
B&B accommodation is usually unavailable too. Landlords of B&Bs will often have private arrangements with employment agencies to provide recently arrived migrant workers with accommodation. These are usually occupied by workers in care homes or from the NHS. They are over crowded and unsanitary and rent is often significantly higher than it should be. It is an exploitative system but very profitable for landlords.
Hotels (anything up to and including 5 stars) are entirely taken up with illegal migrants now. Lately even student accommodation and luxury private property developments have been turned over to companies such as Serco to accommodate illegal migrants/asylum seekers/refugees. It is also very profitable for landlords as the Home Office (via private companies such as Serco) is able to offer long term contracts, completely occupying buildings as well as offering money to refurbish properties when contracts end. Recent contracts offered have been for up to nine years. Local people are not consulted when these deals are done.
For all the above reasons many ordinary English people and their families have fallen into homelessness, are living in unsuitable temporary housing or have spent long periods between stable housing situations.
Obviously mass immigration puts increased pressure on the availability of housing and this is happening in almost every area of England. But finding accommodation in areas where there is work available is especially difficult, in other words, in those areas where immigration is at its highest.
Most people in the UK are unaware of how serious this situation has become over the last few years. You will not hear pundits on the BBC or Chanel 4 discussing it because they have the privilege of owning their own homes, or they live in 'nice' neighbourhoods unaffected by this situation. However, I would bet that most of the rioters have friends or family currently experiencing housing difficulties of this nature or are involved themselves. Migrant hotels are simply the tip of the iceberg.
Is it any wonder that ordinary people feel threatened, undermined and unsafe by the advent mass immigration and the migrant crisis?
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We now have a chronic lack of stable male role models in our society. This may be because men have a much less defined role in the work place, less of a role in the family as the 'bread winner', are unwelcome in various modern administrations and undermined in the media. All without having a clear or appropriate alternative.
Masculine traits are decreasingly valued or useful in industry and sometimes even discouraged in the commercial world? Men are no longer even essential in procreation. Women are encouraged to believe they don't need men to be happy, to raise children, to help create domestic balance let alone to shape our society. All those situations are dismissed as patriarchal or sexual oppression.
Subsequently young men grow up alienated, discouraged and disenfranchised. Left to guide each other on social media as to how to 'be a man', unsure of the role they are supposed to play in society and in relationships with women. As a society we are so terrified of toxic masculinity we are quite happy to tolerate toxic feminimity, particularly in the culture and media. The prevailing narrative is that Women are, and should be, strong and independent, men are weak and venal. Female superheroes trump flawed, male weaklings. Look at movies and tv shows, when did you last see a competent, assertive well adjusted male character that was masculine and not the antagonist? Men are the enemy and they will be made to know it.
Ultimately we are producing young men who lack of confidence and competency, feel deligitimised and struggle to feel comfortable in themselves. They are encouraged to think that their masculinity has to be mitigated and they convince themselves that they will find more acceptance if they affect a kind of metro sexual, passive sexlessness.
Is this good for women? Obviously not. Is it even what most women want? Doubt it.
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Everyone seems very certain that Zionism is the root cause of the current catastrophe. Is it worth also mentioning the subject of Hamas?
Here are some undisputed facts, supported by a large range of international, objective sources.
Hamas fire missiles aimed at civilian targets, missiles which often land on their own side of the boundary, killing Gazans.
Hamas have failed build any civilian bomb shelters, preferring civilians to meet the missiles 'with their bare chests'.
Hamas refuse to allow civilians to use their complex of tunnels as bomb shelters.
Hamas have, on many occasions, refused to allow civilians to evacuate when warned of missile strikes on their homes.
Hamas have, on many occasions, appropriated food and drink provided by NGOs, refusing to allow it to go to civilians but giving it to their fighters instead.
Hamas fighters have used civilians as human shields and have used civilian buildings (such as schools, hospitals and civilian homes) for military purposes, making them targets for the IDF.
Hamas fighters do not distinguish themselves from civilians by the wearing of military uniforms.
Hamas committed atrocities against civilians on Oct 7th, filmed them and broadcast them on social media.
Hamas have stated that they would commit simililar acts repeatedly if they could.
Hamas have taken hostages and still refuse to release them even though this would probably shorten the conflict and civilian suffering.
Hamas leaders have prosecuted this conflict from the safety of Doha in Qatar while the civilian population of Gaza has suffered the repercussions.
Hamas have used international aid, intended for the relief of civilian suffering, to further their military objectives.
Anyone would think it was Hamas who are waging war against the civilian population of Gaza!
Is their objective of resisting and destroying 'Zionism' worth all the suffering? After all, 2 million Muslim Palestinians are currently living in safety within Israel's borders and some have even joined the IDF to defend their homes against Hamas and Hezbollah.
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Why oh why does our so-called 'government' not understand that getting A levels and going to university is a waste of time? It simply gives you an air of intellectual superiority and the expectation that you deserve a good job, based on all the pointless studying you've done. Much better to educate these soft as shite, woke, snowflake millenials at the school of hard knocks. Much better preparation for a future of COVID restraints, no high street shops, zero hour contracts, no Eurocrat protected working conditions, overwhelmed NHS cutbacks, exploitative trade deals with the US, tax dodging multi nationals, technology undermining traditional occupations, no social mobility etc. What good is a university education in that cluster-fuk?
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Finkelstein keeps referring to 'the children'.
Is there an argument to say that the reason why so many children have been victims in this conflict, regardless of the real numbers, is because Hamas have deliberately chosen to fight this fight in their own neighbourhoods?
Is there any validity to the view that Hamas are deliberately using their own children's deaths as a form of matyrdom, to gain international support and expose Israel's military action as inhuman and ruthless?
Is there also a case in saying that children in Gaza have been taught to see themselves as combatants in the on-going struggle to destroy Israel ever since Hamas took over the Palestinian schools in 2006/7. Why are children targeted? Because they are potential participants, Hamas make sure of that.
The recurring problem in this debate is that the role of Hamas in shaping and designing the suicidal, self destructive nature of this conflict is so often ignored. Their responsibility for their own children's deaths seems to be deliberately overlooked.
KK tries to suggest that the conflict could be resolved by Hamas agreeing to a ceasefire that involves freeing the hostages and giving up the terrorist who were responsible for Oct 7th. That might stop children getting killed, but apparently their lives are not valuable enough for Hamas to seriously consider this solution. Or that the children dying is preferrable to them living in 'that concentration camp' under the previous staus quo .
Obviously if these solutions are unacceptable to Hamas, and people like Finkelstein, the only other outcome is for isreal to fight until Hamas and all 'the children' have been utterly dastroyed.
Remember, Hamas have stated that they love death more than you love life. Presumably this includes the deaths of their children?
KK tries to address this by asking 'What else can Israel do?' and there is never an answer. KK asks "What is the solution?" Finkelsein pretty much says 'Revenge'.
FF made a good point about trying to remove the emotion when seeking a solution to the conflict and Finkelsein pretty much says the opposite, that he 'can't intellectualise the problem'. If that is the case, he shouldn't even be talking about it, why should anyone care what he thinks or says. Also, anyone who thinks the protesting American university students are "the most intelligent people in the World" has obviously got a screw loose anyway.
Mosts annoying interview for ages, but very revealing of how the pro Hamas apologists think.
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The actual problem:
1. Islamist sectarian violence going back to 2005, the emergence of 'political Islam'.
2. Enforced mass immigration since Tony Blair's era, but particularly over the last three years, despite electoral manifesto promises to reduce or limit numbers by both major parties.
3. Tens of thousands of Illegal migrants being housed and fed at tax payers' expense during a cost of living crisis.
4. Blatant two tier policing.
5. Woke institutions undermining British culture, history, language and free speech, in favour of foreign born minority communities.
6. Mainstream media constantly demonising and mischaracterising the English working classes and those who speak for them.
7. The PM, Home Secretary, police etc de facto and stated bias in favour of Islamic communities and other minority groups.
8. Knife crime, grooming gangs, acid attacks and sexual violence on the streets of English towns.
9. Huge religious/ethnic ghettos and increasing lack of trust in national institutions creating societal breakdown
10. Pro Gaza marches and all the associated civil disobedience.
11. The housing crisis and cost of living crisis.
Finally and most significantly: three innocent little English girls brutally and senselessly murdered by a second generation immigrant.
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As a Brit looking on from afar, I would say the Dems lost credibility by lying to the US people for months, defending Biden's cognitive ability. Then they only admitted the truth when it became blindingly obvious he wasn't fit for office. That in itself seems like a disgrace and a national scandal or at least a shocking betrayal of the electorate.
Then they installed, without a mandate, what appeared to be a DEI appointment. Too late for the primaries and too late for them to get their story straight about why she was taking over from the obviously frail Biden. Then she denied that he was too frail for office, thereby proving that Dems must think everyone's dumb?
Then she appeared to take up the paradoxical position of defending all the policies of the previous four years while simultaneously saying she was going to bring about fantastic changes.
The only part of her record in office that could actually be assessed was the abject failures at the border. She could only speak in very general terms about what she stood for, she endlessly repeated meaningless platitudes and often simply made no sense at all. She traded on the abortion issue, an issue that doesn't concern the majority of voters, and her supporters in the media resorted to hysterical name calling. She used Hollywood celebs to convince the public to support her when she should have used sound economic policies and finally her team started insulting the opposition, some of whom were actually in her own camp.
The Dems also totally misunderstood that the majority of people were not going to vote according to their racial or gender identity but instead according to their concerns about the economy, immigration, crime and the cost of living, issues that unite both men and women amd the various ethnic groups.
Basically Trump would have had to be absolutely useless not to win under such circumstances. Personally I'm glad he did.
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Just for the sake of clarity,
The man commonly known as Tommy Robinson came to prominance as part of an organisation committed to spreading the idea that militant Islamists among the British Muslim community, particularly those being groomed on-line as jihadis and those attending W'habi schools, were being taught that Sharia law was prior to British Common Law, that liberal values were corosive to Muslims and that British secular society needed to be fought against, to achieve a kind of Islamic state.
The MSM potrayed this message as racist, but in essence, what was being promoted was the idea that the UK needed to understand that it contained a significant minority who were actively working against mainstream British values with the intention of achieving a global caliphate. TR has denied being a racist or even a Islamophobe but over the years he has curated anti mulsim ideas and arguments, presenting them whenever he gets the opportunity to speak. It is easy to characterise him as anti Islamic.
He has often said he has no problem with moderate muslims who identify as British. Unfortunately the media has a problem with him and fear that his campaigns lead to Islamophobia. He would argue that he advocates that British people become aware of a fanaticism in their midst, of which they were not previously aware.
Since the various terror outrages in this country (London Bridge, Manchester, Borough Market etc) he has been proved right be events somewhat?
Triggernometry has interviewed many people who have presented a similar view, not just moderate muslims like Dr Ehsan, but those who stand against multi-culturalism, like Trevor Phillips.
But the boys remain careful not to allow themselves to be linked with TR because of the obvious risk of being similarly accused of being racist and further marginalised by people who are not prepared to examine evidence.
It is refereshing to hear Muslims address these issues without the whole debate being closed down as too toxic and racially problematic. These are discussions that must be heard, as Islamist fantaticism remains ever present internationally, issues such a teaching liberal pluralism in schools remains problematic amongst some Islamic communities, as is the teaching of tolerance for homosexuals and women's rights over their own bodies.
Some Islamic leaders and radicals continue to challenge 'British values'* and many Muslim communities increasingly exist in an unofficial parallel society, in which Sharia law is consulted and applied rather than British Common Law. Grooming gangs remain a reality as does FGM.
If we can not discuss these issues, such as 'what are British values'* without being accused of racism we are at risk of allowing them to undermine us.
If the media potray TR as simply a racist who must be ignored, then the concerns he voices get ignored too. Shouldn't we be able to talk sensibly about the values we all share in the UK for our multi-ethnic society to function productively?
Just asking...
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Certain views and opinions are simply not voiced in the mainstream media in the UK, usually those of the majority of white working class Brits and, as most people know, they are not necessarily liberal. The liberal and left wing metropolitan elite have effectively silenced them by linking values to virtue; if you have the wrong opinions you have no virtue and so you can have your platform taken away or be dismissed as 'racist', divisive, stupid or just simply wrong.
It has been this way for many years and it has allowed a certain progressive ideological perspective to be promoted through the media unchallenged. The assumption that everybody has embraced the politics of of Diversity, Equality, Inclusion, of trans rights, gay pride and multiculturalism. It has also effectively silenced those who do not agree with these liberal assumptions. It has not reflected the views of people who hold different, more traditional, culturally Christian values. The majority.
Farage is simply trying to reflect what most people think but are not allowed to say, and the media hate it. Even if he's factually wrong (and most of the time he isn't) or he has the wrong priorities (and most of the time he hasn't) he still has the right to express his opinions, but people who control the media see it as their ideological obligation to discredit him and denigrate his perspective. Failing that they can side-line him by blaming him for the failures of Brexit. They simply can not let him establish his narrative because, unlike their own, it is what most working class people think and what often they simply know to be true.
Trevor Phillips, who was one of the first mainstream commentators to highlight the fact that multi-culturalism in the UK was failing, simply can not appear to sympathise with Farage or he would risk losing his job.
However, he knows exactly what Farage is referring to, he has seen the data, the surveys and the signs of division. He knows there are Muslim extremists who do not share our democratic values, they killed two of our MPs, Joe Cox (Labour) and David Ames (Conservative). He knows that many MPs have their lives threatened on a daily basis for taking the 'wrong position' over Gaza. He knows many MPs have now been forced to resign by this continual pressure from the 'religion of peace'. He knows that Parliament has been directly effected by this, as have schools, town halls, the police and public spaces and yet he pretends that threat isn't real. He has to, it's his job.
Trevor Phillips knows that some communities of immigrants share British values and some don't. He knows some communities mostly speak English and some don't. He knows that some take pride in British history and culture and that some resent it. He would be well aware that some communities contribute more than they take and some don't. He knows some people come to settle and prosper and some are simply passing through.
He also knows that record increases in legal immigration in the last three years have effected; house prices, rents, the availability of hospital beds, GP appointments, dentists, school places, that these demographic changes have led to the UK courts being overwhelmed, the prisons overcrowded, hospitals filled to capacity, shockingly high crime figures with increased incidents if rape and record levels of chemical attacks. He knows that there have been extremely violent incidents involving immigrants and asylum seekers from the Middle East, Afghanistan and North Africa. He knows they represent a growing problem in our towns and cities.
He will also be acutely aware that it is costing UK tax payers over £8m a day to house and feed asylum seekers and illegal immigrants while British families are made homeless through ‘no fault’ evictions.
He also knows that the situation in Gaza has radicalised some Muslims, that winning candidates in recent local elections said they were standing for the people of Palestine not necessarily the local constituents. He will have noticed how many towns now have Muslim mayors and senior administrators. He will have noticed key political figures specifically pandering to Islamic groups in the build up to the forthcoming election.
He knows that traditional British Christian cultural values are being been eroded by Islamic culture, because he will have seen the recent calls to prayer in town halls and Parliament, the Ramadan messaging on train timetables, the streets lined with Palestinian flags, the prayer in public spaces or simply the proliferation of new mosques being built. The crescent and star is ubiquitous in towns and cities now, you can not fail to notice.
He would also be well aware of the rise of anti-Semitism on our streets, in our schools and in our public spaces. He will have seen how any debate about this worrying development can be effectively closed down with accusations of ‘Islamophobia’.
He will be well aware of how the progressives have sided with Muslims because of Gaza and how they seek to protect this minority group from the ‘oppression’ of being properly policed. He will be well aware of how this has led to accusations of ‘two tier policing’ from white working class people who have had their marches, rallies and demonstrations met with authoritarian policing methods. Meanwhile the police tolerate the desecration of memorials, hate speech, anti-Semitism, calls for Jihad and intifada from the regular pro-Gaza marchers.
Trevor Phillips would also be aware that his own West Indian community, as well as Sikhs, Hindus, African Christians and especially Jews are becoming increasingly concerned about this cultural shift toward a promotion of and protection of an increasingly intolerant Islamic perspective. People are frightened of its violent undercurrent and resentful of its increasing presence in public life. Phillips will be aware of all of this, he just can't say so.
Luckily Farage can and let's hope he continues to.
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Notice how often Western systems are described as oligarchies lately? It seems people are increasingly able to infer it from the evidence. The owners of the corporate media, big pharma, big tech, the military industrial combine, the top bankers, the hedge fund managers, the land owners and the landlords; all serving each other's interests and intrinsically linked. Out of touch and out of reach, unelected and unaccountable.
You can see the evidence of their hands on the steering wheel more blatantly at the moment, with huge energy profits while people live in fuel poverty, food poverty, housing in crisis, taxes rising, benefits falling, inflatiion rising, war, conflict and struggle. And yet there are some that are still making profits. Even the COVID crisis has made some people much wealthier. Wealth going to the wealthy while the poor slip into inescapable poverty. Time for a change.
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@davothedon Couldn't agree more. Imagine what the UK would be like if we were to build sufficient houses to accomodate the three million or so who have arrived since COVID. Not only would otherwise small cities have to build new high rise estates in all the brown field sites, small towns forced to sprawl out into the green belt, all these new developments would require new roads, motorways, sewers, power supply, shops, parking, public transport, offices, petrol stations etc etc.
And who would be living in all these lovely newly built developments? Not English people, their birth rates are shrinking. So effectively we would be accomodating immigrant communities who were not born in the UK and who have never contributed to the exchequer, at unprecedented rates never before seen in this or any other country's history.
Why? What would be the benefit to the UK? Can anyone please explain why we need to do this and why there is no alternative?
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For Starmer:'s information reasons for the protests:
1. The history of Islamist violence going back to 2005.
2. Enforced mass immigration, despite electoral promises to limit numbers by both main parties.
3. The cost and anti-social threat posed by iillegal migrants.
4. The ‘woke’ progressive agenda undermining British history, culture and freedom of speech.
5. The mainstream media demonising, dismissing and mischaracterising the English working classes and those who speak for them (TR).
6. Two Tier policing.
7. The blatant imbalance of the PM and Home Secretary’s response.
8. The emergence and threat of 'political Islam'.
9. The rise of knife crime, grooming gangs, acid attacks and sexual violence on the streets of English towns.
10. The huge religious/ethnic ghettos, the failure of multi-culturalism and increasing lack of trust in national institutions,
11. The Pro Gaza marches with all the associated anti-Western rhetoric, anti-semitism and civil disobedience.
12. The housing crisis and cost of living crisis.
13. Imported foreign conflicts leading to violent disorder on English streets.
14. Finally and most significantly: three innocent little English girls brutally and senselessly murdered by a second generation immigrant.
Ignore the narrative about fake news, online disinformation and misinformation being deliberately spread. It is a minor detail.
Ignore the narrative about extremist agitators coming in from outside, if they exist at all they are on both sides of the divide.
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The mainstream media want to hold Israel solely responsible for the civilian deaths in Gaza and now in the Lebanon too.
The IDF have undoubtedly committed many atrocities in The Gaza Strip and delivered a terrible death toll upon the civilians in that zone. Nobody in their right mind would argue otherwise. However, why can they not also accept that it is the intention of Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houtis and the Iranian regime to do exactly the same things to all Israelis? If it were not for the ‘Iron Dome’ all these brutalities would be equally inflicted upon the Israeli settlements if not worse, especially in the North, near the Lebanese border.
Why can they not con sider who else is responsible for these innocent civilian deaths.
Knowing the Israelis would attack their strongholds in response, Hamas authorized the most brutal terrorist attack upon a civilian target since 9/11. NOT a breakout from a 'prison' and not and act of 'resistance' but a brutal act of terror. Fully knowing the Israelis, in response, would seek out their bunkers and weapons caches they hid them beneath buildings full of civilians, such as hospitals and schools. Since the carnage began Hamas have not allowed civilians to shelter in their various extensive tunnel complexes, nor have they built bomb shelters with the money raised and given to them by the international community. Similarly they have chosen not to share most of the food and water supplied by NGOs.
The truth is, most senior Hamas leaders are currently living in luxury in Qatar, paid for with money syphoned off from aid given to the people of Gaza, some are even living safely in London.
Despite all the subsequent destruction caused by Oct 7th, the civilian deaths and the misery, Hamas leaders are on record as saying they would repeat such acts regularly if they were able. This is because Hamas believe that their own civilian casualties are a means to bring shame upon Israel and gain support from the wider international community. They have no regard for their own people's lives or safety, indeed they use religious rhetoric about martyrdom to justify their being cruelly sacrificed. The same could be said of Hezbollah and their relationship with benighted Lebanese people.
Those who amplify this message, that 'Hamas has no guilt in this situation and that the blame only lies with Israel' are simply useful idiots, advocating on the terrorists’ behalf.
With this in mind, Israeli's actions are described as 'genocidal' and 'indiscriminate' and yet compared to other similar conflicts, especially those fought in urban areas, the civilian death count is extraordinarily low. Out of a population of 2.2 million we are currently told (by Hamas, who clearly have an interest in inflating the numbers and conflate combatants with civilians) that there have been 42,000 civilian deaths over this past year. It actually seems a remarkably low number, considering the difficulties in fighting a war in a densely populated urban setting.
We also know that the IDF have taken significant steps to restrict civilian causalities. For example, they warn civilians to evacuate before bombs are dropped on particular targets, yet we also know that Hamas positively and sometimes violently discourage people from evacuating those buildings and neighbourhoods targeted. Hamas have even (possibly accidentally) destroyed buildings, with civilians inside them, themselves.
If the Israelis truly sought the genocidal destruction of the Palestinian people why is the ratio of civilian casualties against combatants only 2/1, rather than more like 16/1, as it has been in other similar wars and conflicts? Why, if the Israelis seek the annihilation of Palestinians are they not murdering the 2 million Palestinians currently living safely within the Israeli borders? For a nation so well equipped for war, are they not doing a very poor job if they really do seek a genocide?
I'm not trying to defend the I.D.F's brutality, but I find myself wondering what any other country would do under similar circumstances? Would you not expect the UK to do the same if brutally and unexpectedly attacked by a continually hostile neighbour? If a group of radical Mexican terrorists crossed the border and raped, murdered and kidnapped Texan communities, would you not expect the US to react in the same way? Why are the Israelis expected to do any less, to be ‘proportional’, to allow ‘off ramps’ or be answerable to their other enemies in the UN? Why should the Israeli civilians not be protected and defended as completely as possible by their own government and military? Why should the Israelis tolerate being attacked by their neighbours?
I'm just pointing out that it seems, in this bloody struggle, the BBC and other mainstream media outlets want to blame one side but not the other. No one wants to accept the reality of the situation: BOTH sides of the divide hate each other and there is no possibility of a peaceful solution while each side represents an existential threat to the other. Also, in an asymmetrical conflict such as this, where one side is significantly better equipped for warfare than the other, many civilians are inevitably going to be killed. It is a tragic consequence of one side caring significantly less for their own civilian population than the other. It also reflects the utter impossibility of Israel finding a peaceful settlement or even having a ceasefire with such a fanatical opponent.
Meanwhile, ALL the ordinary people suffer, not just the Palestinians in Gaza, and both sides are responsible, not just the Israelis.
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An excellent and balanced assessment Peter. Your conclusion that things are about to 'crack and break' seems to be true both in the region and internationally. This conflict is radicalising, dividing and mobilising people in most of the Western democracies, and seems to be on track to continue that process. It is creating sectarian division, a political generation gap, civil and political unrest on a par with the anti Vietnam War/civil rights protests in the sixties. Perhaps the division at the moment is even worse thanbthe sixties because it involves sectarian division as well as political/social and cultural.
In the UK, especially in London, we have seen the weekly protest marches create a system of two tier policing, with pro Gaza marchers being allowed to publicly voice support for Hamas, use hate speech, express violent anti semitism, deface monuments: while anti Islamist/nationalist marchers are treated much more ruthlesely by the police and also vilified in the media.
We have also seen blatantly biased and inaccurate reporting of the conflict in the mainstream media with the BBC unable to even call Hamas terrorists. Media platforms have provided 'bad actors' with opportunities to spread disinformation and media coverage is often openly biased.
We have had Parliament process derailed because MPS were being bullied by fanatics, MPs lives threatened forcing resignations and the subsequent rise of political Islamism in our local elections. We now have a whole range of politicians who believe they were elected to represent Palestinians rather than their constituents.
Clearly this situation has enraged the right wingers and simultaneously radicalised and mobilised those who believe in Islamic political ideology.
In general everyone has an opinion, usually poorly rearched and lacking historical accuracy, no one considers the other side moral or compassionate enough to consider debating with them in good faith and no one is seeking to find common ground.
This conflict is influencing our general election, local politics and dividing opinion on a par with the whole Brexit debate. We now debate Israel more than our own domestic social/economic/political problems and are obviously unable to do a thing to to influence the situation either way.
Things are indeed cracking and breaking.
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I don't think the public is on the right. I think Truss' latest budget, cost of living crisis, low wages, poor public srevices, housing crisis, health crisis, schools' budget crisis, continued increases in immigration, shit in the rivers and on beaches, eye watering corporate profits, senior execs getting massive bonuses, rising interest rates, the pound plumetting, pensions trusts losing their value, IMF warning of economic crisis etc etc is driving the public towards a more 'stable' and 'fiscally responsible' Labour Party.
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@coopergates9680 Not sure what American women or native Americans have to do with my comment. i was talking about the decline in UK manufacturing.
Also not sure how you concluded I must therefore be a Nationalist? Perhaps it was what I said about left wing out-group bias.
If you really do think working class people have more in common internationally than with 'the ruling classes' of their own culture, you could try putting that to the test. Spend some time with some workers from Albania or Hungary or Poland, then you could try Libya, Morocco, the Sudan, Somalia, Syria or Afghanistan. Failing that spend time with workers from India, China, Singapore, North Korea or Uzbekistan; see how much you have in common culturally.
If the reality matches with your ideology I will happily pay for your return flight and arrange for you to spend some time with some people from the ruling classes of your country, to see how very different you all are! I wonder in which situation you would feel most comfortable?
What you should have said is; workers from liberal Western democracies share much in common.
Could this be because of all the other cultural baggage they share, not just their membership of the poor, exploited, urban proletariat? Do they have to be solely defined by their class distinctions? Could factors like religion, race, sexuality, gender not just as easily unite or divide them?
Of course you weren't going to miss the chance to blow the old 'far left dog whistle' by mentioning 'global capitalism'. Maybe you could explain the difference between that and 'globalism'.
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@logoutofmyaccountweirdo Yes, in the West we are free to buy into or check out of aspects of our culture. Not so elsewhere in the world.
I'm not sure what gave you the impression I was only talking about 'white' British culture in manufacturing, I don't think there ever was such a thing and if there was, that's not what I'm talking about. Race has no significance in my thinking.
British manufacturing declined because of global and domestic market forces as you said. But abandoning manufacturing to global, market forces was the big mistake of Thatcherism. It doesn't have to be like that...
Protecting and promoting domestic manufacturing (or industrial production of anything) needn't be undemocratic or paid for by tax payers either. On the contrary, domestic manufacturing could be be helped by tax breaks, improvements in infrastructure, cheaper energy, less regulation, the awarding of government and public contracts, technological developments, international promotion of exports, limits and taxes upon imports.
Of course, a boom in manufacturing would also require a well trained, well paid, well motivated, healthy and happy workforce. I'm not proposing a return to sweat shop conditions, we have a regulatory system to protect workers against that sort of thing, nor am I necessarily proposing low wages. I'm talking about meaningful jobs for communities that currently lack them. In other words; central and local government, industry and workers working together towards a common objective; prosperity and growth. In Scandanavian countries it is known as 'the tripartheid system'.
Hope this clarifies my position.
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@Percole Thanks for the reply.
In the UK we have the far left (Revolutionary Communists, Socialists, SWP, Greens and Radical Progressives) the moderate left (Labour Party, various unions, Fabian Society) the centrists (Classical Liberals, Social Democrats, Liberal Democrats) the right (Conservatives, Reform UK) and the far right (which could include fascists, ethno-nationalists and radical libertarians). It is a spectrum or it at least it used to be, we now have four independent MPs who seem to represent Islam. I'm not sure where they stand politically but they support cousin marriage and want the re-introduction of blasphemy laws. They also advocate for more severe legal penalties for 'Islamophobia', which they want to be in charge of defining. We also have Scottish nationalsts, Northern Irish Protestant Nationalists and Irish Catholic Republicans (separatists. who get elected and then refuse to attend the UK Parliament).
First of all Brexit caused fractures amongst each of those groups, then the 'woke' agenda, then the trans ideologies started cut across those dividing lines too. Populist politics, like the kind Donald Trump espouses, are now a source of division too. The conflict in Gaza has split the left and political lslamism seems to have taken over the Greens. Irish republicans are very pro-immigration and multi-culturalism, as are the Scottish Nationalists!
More traditional Nationalist sentiments can be found in amongst many of the ideological groups on the right, particularly linked to the lowering of immigration and strengthening borders, while the left strongly defend multi-culturalism and unopposed mass immigration.
The most confusing of these groups are the 'woke' conservatives who support identity politics, do not seem to want to conserve anything of British culture and have much more in common with the globalists on the left. Talking of which, you can now find both nationalists (pro Brexit) and internationalists (anti Brexit) on the left.
I should mention we also have a progressive, liberal cultural elite (which includes the Church of England and the BBC) who support all green issues (like net zero) and are fiercely pro-minority, anti-populist, hate Trump, very critical of the working class indigenous population but very pro-trans, pro Palestine, anti-Israel, pro-LGBTQ+, defensive of Islam and who advocate for BLM, DEI. They also seem to approve of the various authoritarian, legal restrictions on freedom of speech, such as our 'non-crime hate speech' laws.
Because they are a wealthy, priviledged and sheltered elite, they are rarely troubled by the negative consequences of their positions, such as street crime, low wages, high house prices and social disfunction. As George Orwell once said, they would rather steal from the poor box than stand for the national anthem or salute the flag! Nowadays they are very ashamed of Bitish history and want to 'de-colonize' everything they can.
It's a complicated patchwork of cultural and political divisions.
The one thing you can be sure everyone agrees about, however, is everybody in the UK hates the moderates in the centre! Probably because they are not solely informed by ideology, tend to be led by logic, facts and evidence and can see sense on both sides of an argument. I consider myself to be in that group, but you never know, if you ask my nephew, I might be a fascist! Who knows?
Thanks for the reply.
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@russianprincess3673 I am not a Leftist, nor am I a Progressive, what gave you that impression? Are you jumping to that conclusion because I correctly called you out for being Russian bot, because I called you out for using your comments to express pro-Russian, anti Western propaganda? In that respect your comment doesn't make sense comrade.
However, I am sure that in your country you do repress leftists (surely the USSR was the definition of leftist or have I missed your point?) and progressives, just as you repress democracy, the free press, political opposition, journalism, dissent, comedy, music and every other form of free speech.
Slava Ukraine.
In the West we have the choice to be stupid or not, it is a shame you don't.
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@DieFlabbergast I put it down to thirteen years of Tory government, Austerity, Brext, Covid, Liz Truss' delivering 'growth' through extreme supply side economics crashing the economy, anti union legislation, cut backs in services, highest taxes since the war, cost of living crisis, health care crisis and finally an absolute liar as a Prime Minister being replaced by a billionaire playboy. Incompetence and deceit.
The only way forward is an overhaul of our electoral system, our national institutions, our economy and the type of people we elect to lead us.
I know what you are thinking...what a dreamer!
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As usual America is five or six years in advance of the UK. Biden has proven he is incapable of resisting the progressive left and that has created huge problems for the US.
Meanwhile we are just about to elect a similarly weak, ideologically fluid Labour Party with a leader who is likely to double down on the anti-racist dogma , the lgbtq+ pronoun trans ideology, the sanctuary city chaos, with weak borders, uncontrolled immigration, protected identities, hate speech vs free speech legal wrangling with the continued undermining of crumbling national institutions, bankrupt local government, low growth, high tax model.
We should be looking at Biden's failures and trying to skip to the next stage?
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Why is she so patronising? Her lived experience and the conclusions she draws are not universal. Racist attitudes exist all over the world but not necessarily with whites against blacks. In Saudi Arabia both blacks and whites are seen as inferior. In China whites are seen as second class citizens etc. She is talikng about the UK, where increasingly large numbers of BAME individuals achieve positions of Political, Social, Ecomomic distiction, who reject her 'woke' agenda, preferring much more conservative values. Especially in her own West African community. Are these individuals all 'gate keepers'? Prove it. Does she really speak for the Caribbean, West African, Chinese, S.E.Asian or East African communities? For all women if colour? For muslim women? For the trans community? For the gay community? She acts as though she does, but i think she primarily represents herself. Also, in my experience, Black women have far more power than she admits, they are rarely victims of their skin colour and more usually inspiring, loving, hard working, spiritual matriarchs.
Sorry Shola but it would help if you were able to support your arguments with empirical evidence rather than lived experience. Like Social Scientists are supposed to.
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London is great when you are a millionaire celebrity or a high earning professional. The liberal elite love it, mostly because they are largely sheltered from the reality of it. It is not so great for everyone else. Most people who live in London do not take pride in it, they do not see the area they live in as belonging to them or see their future there. They are passing through, on their way to somewhere better; somewhere less chaotic, less aggressive, quieter, more functional. Presumably they aspire to living in 'The Shire' as you put it.
It seems only logical that aspirant minority groups, abitious immigrants and optimistic migrants want to get out of London too, after all, it's just as unpleasant, chaotic and dangerous for them too. Of course they would now have their eyes on areas outside of the M25 and if that is the case, why should they not 'prepare the ground'?
The rest of the people living in London are those who are stuck there, through no fault of their own and are unable to find a route out. This especially applies to the white working class people who have remained despite the ‘white flight’. They are now like an embattled minority, clinging to the idea of a community that disappeared years ago, unappreciated, anachronistic and out of place.
With that in mind It feels a little like capitulation, coming to the conclusion that London is lost, but equally, it’s hard not to. We have to face the facts, with four more years of Mr Khan, it is unlikely to get any better anytime soon.
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Everyone does not have their right to 'celebrate their own culture' if their culture involves practises that are illegal in this country.
Not all culture are 'equal', or more accurately, not all are compatible with our own. For example, some believe in slavery, patriarchy, homophobia, the death penalty, fgm, enforced arranged marriages, honour killings, no age of consent for girls, the murder of apostates etc etc.
This should be entirely obvious, so why are the muppets at Politics Joe pretending it is a controversial statement? If you met a person who's religion called for the persecution of another you wouldn't tolerate it would you?
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Oli, you can't take pride in a system you have no control over, are denied access to, which belittles and ignores you. You have accurately described the circumstances: the Junior doctors leaving the profession because they are over worked and under valued. The same could be said of nurses, care staff, ambulance drivers, consultants as well as teachers, police officers, prison officers, social workers etc etc.
We all know why: stagnant wages losing pace with inflation year after year, underfunding by central government, the selling off and privatisation of profitable elements of the NHS to private corporations that extract wealth from the exchequer without returning it in tax, record demand for services, bankrupt local authorities and inefficient, uninspired management, the exit of European health workers and the subsequent reliance upon low wage immigrant staff. The reliance upon privately owned companies to provide care staff drawn from global employment markets is deeply flawed. The companies exploit and under pay their foreign staff, they extract wealth from the exchequer and NHS budgets while providing minimum standards of care. The system is being constantly fed upon by parasitical privately owned companies.
Meanwhile the rich have been getting richer while the average tax payer, families, the poor all politely foot the bill.
The list of failures is like a Jonathan Pie routine.
Its been going on since 2009 and it will continue regardless of who wins the next election.
The British economy, society and politics are falling apart. A country once known for stability experiences one shocking upheaval after another. Self inflicted wounds dreamt up, instigated and brought about by a liberalized, globalized ruling class elite drawn from a small, culturally and economically privileged, university educated elite. They have been allowed to freely espouse and pursue their luxury beliefs for well over a decade.
All ghe time they do not experience the detrimental effects of these policies and upheavals.
They draw virtue from their campaigns and are unconcerned that ordinary people don't benefit. While they are politically influential and financially secure enough to insulate themselves against; declining services, empty high streets, rocketing rents, unaffordable housing, record levels of immigration, lack of police on the streets, homelessness, food poverty, fuel poverty, job insecurity, low wages and poor mental health everyone else if left to deal with it as best they can.
Meanwhile ordinary people are unheard, their values ignored, their virtue denied. They are told their history is shameful, their culture is irrelevant, their institutions are inherently racist, they have failed all the oppressed minorities in the past (despite their best efforts) and their future necessarily involves accepting unlimited immigration until the minorities become the majority.
Their communities are fractured, their institutions hollowed out and their culture constantly undermined and brought into question. Everybody else's culture is better, everybody else's rights are more important and more enthusiastically defended. Their educational institutions, their popular media, the adverts on tv, even the police and councils continually endorse this message. You don't count. Everybody else does.
Under such circumstances, what values are the people you refer to supposed to unite around? What are they supposed to take pride from? I know you want to see some kind of light at the end of tunnel for the people in your video, but 'pride'? You're even criticised if you wave your national flag and sing 'Land of Hope and Glory' at the Proms or elsewhere else for that matter.
How can you take pride from that?
Ordinary UK citizens have no voice, they have no virtue and the political elites don't share their values. You can't take pride from that.
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For Starmer:'s information reasons for the protests:
1. The history of Islamist violence going back to 2005
2. Enforced mass immigration, despite electoral promises to limitor reduce numbers by both main parties.
3. The cost and anti-social threat posed by iillegal migrants.
4. The ‘woke’ progressive agenda undermining British history, culture and freedom of speech.
5. The mainstream media demonising, dismissing and mischaracterising the English working classes and those who speak for them (TR).
6. Two Tier policing.
7. The blatant imbalance of the PM and Home Secretary’s response.
8. The emergence and threat of 'political Islam'.
9. The rise of knife crime, grooming gangs, acid attacks and sexual violence on the streets of English towns.
10. The huge religious/ethnic ghettos, the failure of multi-culturalism and increasing lack of trust in national institutions,
11. The Pro Gaza marches with all the associated anti-Western rhetoric, anti-semitism and civil disobedience.
12. The housing crisis and cost of living crisis.
13. Imported foreign conflicts leading to violent disorder on English streets.
14. Finally and most significantly: three innocent little English girls brutally and senselessly murdered by a second generation immigrant.
Ignore the narrative about fake news, online disinformation and misinformation being deliberately spread. It is a minor detail.
Ignore the narrative about extremist agitators coming in from outside, if they exist at all they are on both sides of the divide.
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@derrickbell24 Derrick, thanks for the challenge, seriously. My comment was intended to be sarcastic, but I can see how I may have left myself open to the criticism that I don't know what I'm talking about, by my flippant comments. I was trying to reimagine ways of renaming the schism between those who see themselves as 'progressive' and those who do not.
Anyway, I appreciate your comment as it wasn't easy for me to answer the questions you put forward without a bit of checking,..
Okay...here goes..
1. CRT is a body of legal and academic thought based upon a study of how the American legal system was failing racial minority groups, specifically the black community.
2. The Nazis would have hated CRT because it seeks to find legal protection for racial minorities in the face of a racist and hostile legal system. The Nazis sought to place the Aryan race above all others in law, seeing other races as inferior and therefore not deserving of equal rights or recourse to law.
3.The legal problem that prompted the movement in the 70s was the failure of Civil Rights legislation to provide any perceived material improvement for the black community.
4. It was inspired by the work of Derek Bell who brought attention to this shortcoming in the Civil Rights legislation.
5. The Convergent Dilemma describes how the interests of the black community will only be served if and when it serves the white community's interests.
6. When Derek Bell eventually resigned, similarly enclined academics provided an 'alternative course' to the one that was being offered by the white academics.
7. Academics such as Kimberle Crenshaw, Richard Delgado and Cheryl Harris.
8. Crenshaw coined the phrase 'Developments in Critical Race Theory' knowing that there had been none and that the academic discipline didn't, at that time, even exist. They wanted to use Critical Theory to make an analysis of structural racism through the lens of black experience.
9. It was a verb but obviously now it is used as a noun. Language has changed since then.
10. Some important tenets of CRT are that it involves the use of 'Intersectionality' (oppreseed minorities have a complicated relationship with the power structures that oppress them), 'Standpoint Epistemology' (personal experience and story telling can be used as evidence) and 'Structural Determinism' (Society's structure can have unexpected, unwanted outcomes, like pluralistic liberal values may not create equality).
I think the issue here is how 'CRT' is being applied, it is used and abused in the current discourse on race. Interestingly CRT even questions the notion of race and accepts that individiuals are more than just their racial identities, but this is often ignored nowadays.
I know it gets a bad rap but who the Hell checks the facts nowadays? (Sarcasm). My point was that instead of calling it neo Marxist or postmodern it might as well be called downward facing (like the position in yoga) or upward aspiring (like a good song in church).
Anyway, thanks for the challenge, I hope I passed the test?
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@derrickbell24 i think that's too simple. CRT upsets liberals because it suggests that, historically, antiracism activity has not been effective because the system is institutionally racist. It upsets academics because it doesn't seem empirical. It upsets anti racists because it defines people by their immutable characateristics. It upsets the right because it talks about reparations. It upsets traditionalists because it questions Western history, philosophy, culture, politics, educational practises, Westen Capitalism , etc etc. Europeans resent an American model of racism imposed upon European political, legal and social systems.
I personally think that the proliferation of identitarian burearocrats, educators and those who operate in the media, who can be seen as financially benefitting, even at the expense of their own communities, from promoting this philosophy. They do CRT the greatest dis-service. Partly because they can not satisfactorarily describe the society they want to achieve (only what they don't want) and partly because it doesn't describe the experience of other non white communities, Asian, African, Mexican, Chinese etc etc?
I also think the lack of debate about its implementation, like an 'imposed' orthodoxy of thinking, makes people feel that CRT is being 'forced' upon them and if they don't accept it they must be racist. People are frightened to outwardly philosophically question it. To them it feels like it has been institutionally passed down to them, without their consent or even without them fully understanding it.
Finally, it upsets white people by telling them to identify their whiteness, feel guilty about it and thereby work against the interests of themselves and their familes. That aspect alone will be the most difficult to sell as humans never work against their own interests and if forced, tend to rebel?
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@samirabenalia6473 Those that lived in the region in the past were indeed different ethnicities. The Greeks were not Arabs, nor were the Romans, the Persians, the Christian Crusaders, the Seljuk Turks, the British or the French. Even the ancient Egyptians were not ethnic arabs as they share very little DNA.
But we now know from studying DNA that a person's ethnicity is more like a spectrum than one simple set of characteristics so it is more than likely that the 'Arabs' of which you speak are partly Greek, Roman, Persian, East African and even Indian in their ancestry.
Unlike you I prefer to learn history from objective sources based upon scientific evidence, therefore I can be pretty sure there was no such person as Adam, no Noah who lived at a time when the whole world was flooded, no Abraham and even no Moses. When you talk of them you are not talking about history you are talking about religious mythology, there is no historical evidence for any of them.
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@samirabenalia6473 Thankyou for your reply. I have read parts of the Qu'ran, although I could never read it completely as I do not have the time or the inclination. However I have visited many Islamic countries, I have some very close friends who are muslims so I think I have a good knowledge of your religion, better than most English atheists at least.
Even if I were to read the Qu'ran and all the Hadiths from cover to cover I could never believe it's contents because it's teachings involve believing in too many things I think of as unproveable, improbable and downright impossible. For example, I do not accept that The Prophet split the Moon in half, nor do I accept that water flowed from his fingers any more than I think a winged horse took him up to Heaven to meet all the other prophets or that he flew from Mecca to the mosque in Jerusalem and then back, all in one night.
I do not want to disrespect your belief system but it seems strange that not only do you allow yourself to believe in devils and djinn, but you also believe that Satan sleeps in your nose each night. I wonder what other fairy tales you believe in.
By the way, I feel the same way about Christianity if it makes you feel any better. For example I don't believe a man came back from the dead after being crucified. Nor do I believe in a man walking on water, turning water into wine, casting out devils, making blind people see, making the lame walk, curing leprosy and raising the dead.
I would not trust an adult who sincerely accepted such things. Atheists require proof, the faithful are happy with nothing more than belief even when the subject of their belief is obviously nonsense.
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@samirabenalia6473 Thankyou for your reply Samira. I would like to respond to your comment, allow me to take one point at a time.
1. I did not for one moment suggest that all things have to be seen or touched to be believed or understood. That is not what 'science' means. Science can prove all sorts of processes, forces and energies by means other than seeing or touching them, for example we all agree that gravity exists: Sir Isaac Newton managed to describe it, predicts its affects and measure it using maths, without ever being able to see it or touch it.
2. The way a foetus grows in the womb is not the work of any entity other than the mother. it is a scientifically provable process of cell division, each cell being assigned a function by the DNA it contains. The reason why this seems miraculous is because it is a process that has developed over thousands of millions of years, becoming more complex through evolution. Try reading 'Climbing Mount Improbable' by Richard Dawkins.
3. Of course animals have perception (sensory awareness) and cognition (conscious understanding). An animal species without those qualities would become extinct very quickly. Of course there are lesser forms of life that may lack cognition but that is because they don't need it to exist and multiply. Try reading 'The Selfish Gene' by Richard Dawkins.
4. Modern communication devices (or any other aspect of modern life) did not come about because of miracles. They came about through incremental technological developments based upon some original (and often quite simple) scientific discoveries and understanding. The mobile phone did not spring into existence fully formed any more than homo sapiens did.
5. The fact that primitive people from the past would find modern technology miraculous does not mean it is miraculous. It just means technology has developed beyond their understanding. Rather like a modern person attributing a complex medical procedure's success to a divine intervention, when it's success is entirely due to a long process of medical developments, techniques and principles being taught, learned and added to by many generations of hardworking, brilliant doctors.
6. I too believe in death but I have no reason to believe that a living organism continues some kind of conscious life after their physical shell has ceased to function. I certainly don't believe that after a good man dies, God chooses to reward him with a 72 virgin wives and 80,000 servants, in fact, to me, that sounds terrible, more like a curse! Despite this, my heart is open and so is my mind, I just choose to reject superstition and primitive beliefs based upon ancient mythology.
7. I am not asking you to do anything for me, so don't worry, if it turns out you and all the other muslims are right (and all the billions of other people who have ever lived and I were wrong) I shall ask God why, if he wanted me to be a believer, did he in all his wisdom choose to make me an atheist.
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@guidovaughan3096 Thankyou for your response.
Of course many ancient cultures understood that gravity existed but Newton was the first to explain, describe and predict it using mathematical principles.
'Western' Science has always acknowledged the contribution to human development made by pre-existing ancient cultures, such as the ancient Chinese, Indians or Greeks; universities still teach Socratic method and the logic of Aristotle for example. But ancient 'ways of knowing' are not, and have never been, an equivalent to scientific method or scientific understanding.
As far as zero is concerned; the Babylonians and Mayans first used it (as a place holder) in the 7th century BC or before, but you are correct in as much as it was first used as an actual number in the 5th century by Indian mathematicians. That numerical system came to Europe via Persian and Arabian mathematicians.
By the way, just to reassure you, there is no such thing as 'Western' Science just as there is no Southern, Eastern or Northern Science, there is just Science. It may have been developed in the West at one time or another but scientific knowledge is not owned by 'the West' and is free to be studied, understood and applied by all humanity. My sadness is that people from certain cultures (see above) choose not to use it or are prevented from doing so because of a culture of superstition and ignorance.
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I tried it. No decent jobs, minimum wages, no rental accomodation, no 24 hour petrol stations, no busses, no railway stations, no public libraries, no 24 hr super markets, no restaraunts, no public swimming pools, no cinemas, no music venues, no dentists, over subscribed GPs, no hospital within 40miles, every green space privately owned without public access, no nearby secondary schools, rivers and streams polluted, no decent football teams, unwelcoming pubs and worst of all loads of racist, homophobic bigots staring at you in the street.
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Well argued.
So Mr T is not a fascist, not a racist, not a misogynist, not a white supremacist. But it's funny how, failing to provide a decent argument to prove those assertions, it always end up with that same old tired, illogical, 'Trans debate' and if all else fails:
"I've got ADHT." so don't expect me to make sense.
Clearly it's all about belief, not facts, logic, data, critical thinking or sound political analysis. More evidence that progressive politics is more like a religious cult or a mind virus than an actual ideology. Infantile and illogical.
By the way, talking of being infantile, what does it actlually mean to 'say no' to major political issues? Do they imagine that by 'saying no' they are representing a cogent argument?
Infantile and pointless.
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London Road in West Croydon is a fuckin nightmare after dark. The 'recently arrived' Middle Easterners hang around outside their various shops and harass anybody they don't know as they pass by, particularly white females. It takes very little for it to spark into violence. You simply never see any police and local people steer well clear. On most days it is more like the backstreets of a squalid middle eastern city than a once peaceful and afluent suburb of London.
It has become like that since the end of the Tony Blair era and has got significantly worse over the last 15 years or so. .
During the Croydon riots, some time ago, it was mostly Afro-Caribbean youths taking advantage of the chaos, to see what damage and mayhem they could get away with. For example, as well as setting a long standing, traditional, family owned local furniature store on fire (for no apparent reason) some stole expensive guitars from the music shop and then used them as axes to break shop windows and steal items of much less value. It was mindless and largely opportunist criminal spite.
The police were unprepared and ineffectual then and are even more so nowadays. There was no particular urban decay or deprivation that would have justified such action in Croydon, simply a large community of newly arrived young and potentially violent men. In fact there were no inner city issues in Croydon at all until it became a dumping ground for asylum seekers, illegal immigrants and skilless migrants.
Now it is mostly middle eastern, Afghanistan, Syrian, Kurdish and West African young men with no investment in the town, the community or British values. It is an absolutely perfect example of the failure of multi-culturalism in the UK. Lots of foreign owned fast food outlets though and plenty of 'Turkish' barbers of course.
Most of the people I know who once lived in West Croydon have long since moved themselves and their families away, just like those who once lived in all the other suburban neighbourhoods of London. Those who have remained have only done so because they can't afford to relocate. These areas are now lawless and hostile. In nearby Camberwell there were recently running street battles between rival groups of Eritreans and only last night in Southall there were riots involving muslims celebrating Ramadam and police trying to keep some kind of order. Knife crime is a daily fact of life and so most young people arebforced into gangs. Let's not even mention the grooming gangs.
As English citizens we all see it all the time but we seem powerless to stop it. The government have increased immigration to record levels since lockdown, despite Boris Johnson promising to do the exact opposite, and the media call you 'far right' or racist if you complain about it, especially the BBC or LBC.
London is now only 43% white British and most council housing in most London boroughs is now occupied by people born outside of the UK. Why is anyone surprised that these areas are now so dysfunctional?
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Why are the BBC using research done by Hope Not Hate to deliberately undermine Reform candidates and their supporters? Because they are worried. They are finally beginning to see that there is a great re-set approaching. The progressive, liberal, metropolitan elite are losing their control of the narrative. Their endless virtue signalling, woke dogma and luxury opinions are simply not working any more. People are rejecting all of that stuff and the insufferable BBC progressive liberals who broadcast it.
Let's start with Nick Robinson who did his disengenuous best to mischaracterise Farage and his various political positions in the recent tv interview. He tried his best to reframe various Farage quotes, he quoted Reform candidates entirely without context, he interrupted Farage's replies and denied him the time to fully defend himself by claiming "time is short".
At times Robinson was both dismissive and rude and this was deliberate, not accidental and entirely pre-planned. By linking him to Trump, Truss and Putin he implied that Farage admired 'illegitimate' political figures and therefore held unacceptable opinions, making him appear toxic by association. Robinson then accused him of 'wriggling out of it' whenever Farage tried to clarify his position.
In conflating immigrants with the process of immigration it was both deliberately defamatory and dishonest, by mischaracterising Farage's criticism of Sunak the explicit implication was that if Farage isn't a racist then his supporters certainly must be.
So many unsubstantiated presumptions.
Robinson was performative and virtue signalling, not balanced or fair. It reminded me of Maitliss vs Prince Andrew; it was intended as a political ambush. However, in this case it didn't work, it simply exposed the BBC's blatant bias against Farage, Reform and their supporters.
To his credit Farage seemed to successfully deflect most of it and came away with his reputation entirely intact.
The same can't be said of Robinson or the BBC, they both simply reflect the metropolitan, liberal elite's globalist agenda and the extent to which the mainstream media seeks to control the narrative. In this case it didn't work.
Vote Reform and let's dismante this elitist cabal.
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The amount of Trump derangement syndrome in the UK MSM today and yesterday was amazing! The descriptions of madness, meglomania and dictatorship flowed and predictions of doom and destruction were everywhere. Some even suggested that Trump is secretly planning to 'pass the Presidency to his son' in four years time to avoid relinquishing power! Like a tyrant king or dictator! They just hate him, even the so called 'Conservatives'.
They are frightened of his American exceptionalism because they think we in the West should be constantly apologetic and humble, for our past transgressions or as atonement for our many successes.
They can't stand his ambition because they are all much more comfortable discussing the managed and 'inevitable' decline of our economy, society, culture.
They resent his popularity and constantly try to belittle his supporters, calling them deranged or at least misinformed.
They fear his self confidence because they are full of doubts and uncertainty.
Trump seems to imply that politics can be inspirational and they find that terrifying. 'What if all our politicians started to offer simple solutions to all those problems that are too difficult for our liberal elites to even discus, let alone solve? What if our politicians started actually delivering on those promises instead of betraying the people who voted for them? What if our politicians had a destinct and inspiring vision for our future? It would be a kind of revolution and we can't have that! Not in Britain!
When he said he plans to take back the Panama Canal (a strategically sound objective) you could almost hear them wincing and squirming in their seats.
When he said he intends to re-name the Gulf of Mexico 'the Gulf of America' I imagine some of the BBC journalists probably needed counselling for anxiety in the nearest safe space. Imagine their discomfort at his deliberately hurty words,
They must have been asking how he could be such a bully towards those who were hired for reasons of Diversity not merit? How could he not want equity but just want prosperity? How could he want to remove those who have entered their country illegally over the last four years? What a brute! How dare he want a better deal for Americans and not for those who are not? How dare he be so biased towards the majority and not prioritise all the poor, oppressed minorities?
They must be in such a state of existential discomfort at the BBC and Sky News.
What our political pundits utterly fail to understand is that he is simply doing exactly what Americans have demanded of him. To fight for them and no one else. To 'go to bat for them' and in doing so, present a tough and confident attitude towards the rest of the World. To threaten to squash their many enemies and out compete their ubiquitous rivals. To cut the crap and act like the leader of the free world should; like a strong man, a tough male role model, a patriarch, a leader.
Under such cicumstances our media are almost obliged to hate him. They simply can't understand him and they never will.
What they also fail to comprehend is how much we need such a leader in this country. Someone to fight for our cause instead of siding with those who would hollow us out, undermine us and erase us.
Good luck to the Donald I say and let's all hope we get someone similar in the UK some day.
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The liberal globalists in government, in the media and in our civil service know that mass immigration creates cheap labour and more demand, which is effectively a cheap fix for lack of economic growth.
They will say it keeps taxes down (not true, as we all know) and of course it also provides huge demand for homes and property, which they have invested in. It also keeps rents high, which they also profit from, and it creates enough economic activity to make it seem like the GDP is going up. Of course per capita, more people sharing no extra wealth, means that we actually all worse off. Ordinary people can see this clearly, the political elites, not so much.
The university educated progressives also believe that they are redressing centuries of 'white supremacy', Western colonial 'oppression' and therefore they see immigration as morally correct too.
They also see immigrants as morally virtuous, like innocent children, that have to be protected by the state. Much more than the white English majority.
Let's be honest, they also seem to have an ideological hatred for anything to do with the 'capitalist' Western societies. They don't mind too much if it all gets dismantled bit by bit or even ultimately destroyed. Hence the obsession with diversity, inclusion and equity.
Of course, none of these elite groups really feel the social costs of mass immigration, so they can dismiss the concerns of those who do as 'racist' or 'far right'. To them it is a kind of virtuous, moral pass-time.
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Notice how few passers-by were actually English? When no one has an any real or meaningful attatchment to the public space or any kind of investment in the culture, it is possible to deliberately degrade the environment (even at the public's expense) and nobody will object. It's bad enough that public art and modern architecture is ugly and alienating, but much worse when no one really cares.
We are all interchangeable economic units in the hyper-liberal, globalist utopia. No culture is any more meaningful than any other, tradition is retrogressive and rejecting the past (Christian) values is progressive. Pride in the nation, the city or the neighbourhood is unwanted and unnecessary, unless it represents diversity, equity or inclusion. Progressive anti-values beat tradition everytime, especially when it comes to beauty versus ugliness, meaning vs meaninglessness and alienation vs belonging.
Why not create icons of ugliness and immorality that break with tradition and mock the moral values of the past? No one cares. Nothing can stop the rootless, vapid passers-by as they just ignore how empty it makes them feel as they go about their drab, daily rituals. They didn't even notice it.
It should be torn down and someone should be held accountable, but we all know that will never happen.
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We need more figures in the media who can challenge the liberal elite's intellectual, centralist bias and communicate a different narrative. People who can represent normal working people with a left of centre voice, as clearly the Parliamentary Labour Party no longer sees this as their responsibility and does not provide this anymore?
Mick is brilliant at cutting through the bias, the predjudice, the stupidity and the lack of balance. He has endured some shockingly rude, dismissive and biased interviews (Kate Burley on Sky was an all time low in unbiased presntation of the facts) and still provides clarity and good sense grounded in real world experience.
His rise to prominance has highlighted how utterly dismissive the mainstream media is of ordinary people and working class concerns. They mock him and his colleagues as stupid because of their working class accents, they repeat the same ill informed tropes ( higher wqges = inflationary spiral), they set one group against another (Nurses vs Rail workers), they deny the right of working people to collective bargaining calling them 'greedy' if they ask for more than they are being offered, and mostly they mischaracterise industrial action as 'holding the nation to ransom' in an effort to demonise unions. One interviewer on GMB even asked Mr Lynch was a Communist Revolutionary! Insulting, patronising and dismissive.
Every time Mr Lynch speaks on a UK tv or radio outlet he highlights the need for organisations such as Double Down News.
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@gibidygubidy I am well aware of the homeless on the streets of London, I live and work alongside them. I know some people prefer a tent, sometimes it is a safer option to a bed in a hostel, plus many of the ex servicemen prefer to be independent. There are occasionally people who do it who don't need to, but they are a tiny minority compared to those who have little to no alternative.
That's not the point. The point was how toxic, ill-timed and poorly received her comments were. It all adds to her narrative, that she 'says the things that the moderates won't' and damn the consequences. And in this case, the comment was stupid and unnecessary.
By the way, yesterday morning the refuse men cleared hundreds of tents from the streets of central London. Most of the people inhabiting them were stopped from interfering by the police. In most cases their belongings went into the dustbin lorries with their tents, not just bedding but ID, food and personal possessions. You can see footage filmed by various homeless charity workers on-line. That action was as a direct response to what Braverman had said in the press and after she had discussed it with the head of the Met on Friday. So if they were indeed 'chosing' to stay in tents, as you suggest, they ceratinly didn't have that choice last night.
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Connor Tomlinson says what Farage doesn't dare say. Unfortunately young men like him, TR, Carl Benjamin, Calvin Robinson, Lawrence Fox etc simply get demonized, mischaracterized and smeared by the mainstream media (usually after having been targetted by Hope Not Hate) and their opinions declared illegitimate.
Mathew Goodwin sums it up quite accurately in his book 'Values, Voice and Virtue'; you must have the 'correct' values otherwise you are denied a voice and potrayed as without virtue. People like Tomlinson are denied a mainstream platform in an attempt to silence them, just like the protestors after the Southport stabbings. You will not see him, or anyone like him, invited to sit opposite Ash Sarkar on the BBC's Question Time, mostly because he is a young white, English male and unapologetic about it.
Farage knows this and is trying to walk the tightrope between speaking the truth and saying what the media will allow him to say. This is not the case with the European populist leaders like Kurt Wilders, they are now speaking freely. Perhaps we need things to get worse before our politicians will do the same? In the meantime we rely upon people like yourself, Douglas Murray and the Lotus Eaters.
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Liberal interventionsim is a lie. We cannot impose our values upon others through the use of force, we can not make religious fanaticism disappear, we can't change hundreds of years of patriarchy, tribalism, regionalism, ethnic division with twenty years of occupying a couple of key cities. Meanwhile the military industrial complex and corrupt local officials makes billions.
The reason why everything collapsed so quickly was because our influence was exagerated, mostly limited to Kabul, with a corrupt government, army and incredibly fragile infrastructure.
Lives wasted, time wasted, money wasted. Very sad.
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English Academy schools are one of the few success stories from the last 15 years. Unlike the more tightly state controlled schools in Scotland and Wales, they have consistently raised standards year on year. However I have seen various interviews with Katherine Birbalsingh (the Head of the Michaela School, one of the most successful state schools in England over the last three years) lamenting how little she and other excellent Academy Heads have been consulted as regards these structural changes to the Academy system.
She is very scathing of the new minister, Bridget Phillipson and her team, describing her as a Marxist and noting that she had not actually visited any successful schools like her own before developing this new policy, nor had she even shown any interest in finding out how they had become so successful. This seems more like a choice than an accident
Katherine Birbalsingh, and other inspiring Heads like her, should be at the heart of policy making. Instead Labour are choosing to entirely ignore them for ideological reasons.
I do not expect these changes to raise standards nor will they attract new teachers or persuade ex-teachers to return to the profession. As well as discouraging schools from emplying non-teachers for their expertise (Music, Maths, Science, Engineering or Sport for example) the proposed changes will also potentially reduce the amount of money schools like Michaela can receive by strategically reducing their school roll, passing on pupils to less successful, neighbouring schools to 'even out provision'.
As a rule the more the state involves itself in education the worse things get, but these changes seem to have been dreamt up to deliberately spite successful Academies and inspiring teachers. It may well be necessary to tightly conterol the curriculum, dictate policy and proscribe educational styles for failing schools but why limit those that are clearly flourishing? Rather than seeking to raise all boats the government seems to want to sink to the lowest common denominator.
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@markscript5746 I'm simply expressing how I feel, and I'm probably not the only one.
If pressed i would say I want a political movement that unapologetically seeks to 'drain the swamp' as Trump puts it. Clear out Paliament of the liberal political elite, remove the civil servants indoctinated by the woke progressive ideology, remove the UK from the ECHR andnother restrictive international conventions and treaties, remove Blair's Equalities Act from the statute books, do away with the Supreme Court, take away the indepedence of the Governor of the Bank of England and the Office of Fiscal Responsibilty, freeze legal immigration for at least four years apart from the high skilled and the high waged, remove all progressive ideology from the national curriculum and reintroduce a curriculum that celebrates British history, language and culture, abolish the quangos, do away with 'hate speech' laws and any laws that favour minorities over the majority, do away with state funding for gender affirming clinics, do away with state and local council funding for all religious organisations, do away with the public funding of gay pride month amd any other ideologically motivated organisations such as Stonewall, gut the C of E of all progressive ideology, legislate to protect freedom of speech in universities, defund those that don't comply, tighten up student visas and disallow dependents, send illegal migrants back to France or their nation of origin and close down all the places that are currently accomodating them. Ban DEI in all public institutions, legally protect jobs being awarded on merit.
Reintroduce Community service, apprenticeship schemes, vocational training, prioritse UK citizens for social housing, healthcare, NHS dentistry, take back public ownership of energy, utilities nd public transport, subsidise inmovative British start ups, give tax breaks to businesses based in Britain that employ and train young UK citizens, protect UK farmers, support British industry, manufacturing and services. Remove all non-dom tax loop holes and end tax relief for public schools.
And that's just for starters...
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How wonderful to know that Nigel Farage is out there spreading the message of freedom, individual responsibility and scepticism about governments' fitness to pass laws after he did his damnest to break the UK Parliament's link with the only international body that could actually moderate it, through legislation, regulation and convention. Yes, the EU!
He fought for Parliament's sovereignty in 2016 and then in 2020 refused to comply with the governmental COVID guidelines. You can't have it both ways Nige!
Then he criticises Matt Hancock's hypocracy for breaking his own lockdown guidance while he admits to deliberately breaking the lockdown rules himself. If Hancock is a useless sock pipsqueak what does that make you Nige?
He attempts to demonise the 'agenda' projected through the MMS while he actually enjoys uninterrupted access to broadcast media to spread his own message, through his own program on GBNews and constant participation on tv, on the radio, in newspapers and in podcasts. He has a bigger platform than most government ministers. He's taking the piss if he says that the media distort the truth or don't reflect his narrative!
This guy claims to be a conservative but he has gone on record to state how much he now hates the British Conservative Party.
He fought for Brexit stating how it would revitalise the UK economy and now it hasn't happened he says it was 'the wrong kind of Brexit',
He demonises asylum seekers, refugees and illegal migrants and used them to justify Brexit, ignoring the fact that the laws obliging the UK to respect asylum seekers have nothing to do with the EU but come from the European Court of Human Rights' Convention. Otherwise he hasn't got a single practical solution as to how to deal with the issue. He prefers to simply stoke the fires of anger, fear and resentment.
Question: Where does Farage really stand? Answer: Wherever he can occupy the spotlight.
Question : What does he stand for? Answer: Whatever gets him in the spotlight. What else?
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Finally! A victory against Islamism in a British Court.
As if it isn't hard enough to teach in inner city schools, this kind of chaos just makes it worse. Remember, this disruptive and bullying child's parent took the excellent Michaela School to court, demanding to put one single muslim child's rights to prayer ahead of the rest of the whole school community. An amazing multi-cultural, multi-ethnic school, achieving amazing results, while not giving in to the whole woke agenda nonsense.
The school has no space available and no staff to supervise private prayer during the break times. Instead the school values secular lunchtimes with a particular menu in which all pupils can eat together regardless of religion. It is a policy of intergration, rather than separation.
The muslim child demanded to be allowed to pray separately, where and when they chose, and bullied other muslim pupils to do the same to strengthen those demands. Most of the other muslim students (and their parents) did not support this demand. Islamic provocateurs from outside did however get involved and tried to bring negative attention to the school and the Head Teacher as the issue developed. The Head teacher tried to keep the whole thing out of the public eye but the courts denied her that right.
The claimant, by the way, was later suspended for bringing a knife to school. The head teacher, Katherine Birbalsingh, and other teachers involved were issued with death threats as a response to standing up to this child and the parent's demands. Journalists from the national press misrepresented the whole case and attacked the head teacher as an Islamophobe.
She has now redeemed her reputation but continues to attract criticism for not giving into pressure from the Islamist community. After the whole Batley Grammar fiasco this story is a welcome change from the usual narrative Islamists bullying and winning.
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Yes, another example of a well loved IP getting a thorough kicking by the woke revisionists. In this case, doubling down on the franchise bashing.
You didn't mention the fact that because the 're-booted' Dr Who is now mostly funded by Disney, it means Russell T Davies and the writers no longer consider themselves connected to the legacy of the intellectual property. From now on they will be free to pursue the various progressive agendas with impunity in an effort to 'reclaim' the iconic tv series. After all, they trully believe that what the world needs is for Dr Who to be 're-imagined' for 'modern audiences' and Disney will actively encourage them to do so.
With Disney at the helm they will have bigger budgets and bigger audiences whatever they do, so why should they worry about what the 'conservative' traditional legacy audience thinks? Why even worry what audiences think at all, given Hollywood's current obsession with what the Critical Drinker calls 'The Message'? Going broke is not a problem as long as you are sufficiently woke, look at what they have already done to Star Wars, Marvel, Disney's own legacy IPs and even Scooby Doo!
Christopher Eccleston has already distanced himself from the whole franchise, so too have fans of his and the previous incarnations.
I predict that in a couple of years even Disney and the BBC will realise that they have ruined the whole thing and dump it. Then, hopefully, the traditionalists will reclaim it?
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The Mainstream Media react to the protests...
What a surprise, the liberal metropolitan elites want to advocate for protecting the religion of peace and the rubber boat enrichment boys by clamping down with 'the full force of the law' on the protestors. Of course they do, because in the minds of the middle class, liberal, ultra-woke broadcasters ‘diversity is our strength’. Even when it results in three small girls being brutally murdered.
They’re not actually too bothered about the justifiable grief and anger felt by the public after the three little girls were murdered in Southport, or the people forced to endure the riots in Leeds two weeks ago. They’re not too bothered about the British Jews intimidated and threatened by the pro Hamas marches every weekend. They won’t mention the British soldier stabbed fifty times on his own doorstep last week, or David Ames, or Lee Rigby. They won’t refer to the 20 dead at the Manchester Arena bombing, or the 52 killed by the Central London bombing in 2005, or the five killed in the Westminster attacks in 2017, or the two victims of the London Bridge stabbings in 2017 and then the other two killed in the same place in 2019.
They won’t remember the five victims of the Russell Square stabbings, or the 3 killed in the Reading stabbings in 2020, or the three victims of the Nottingham stabbings a few months ago. They won’t have seen the CCTV footage of the postman being pushed under a tube train two days ago. They won’t be mentioning the Londoners terrorised by the actions of Abdul Azidi a few months ago, or the three British police officers attacked at Manchester airport.
They certainly won’t want to refer to the thousands English girls raped and abused by the grooming gangs that existed with impunity in so many British towns and cities. Nor will they want to refer to the various British working class communities swamped by asylum seekers. Perhaps they are not aware of the imported conflicts that enforced mass immigration brings with it; like the rioting Bengalis in Whitechapel, or the rioting Eritreans in Camberwell, or Green Party candidate Mothin Ali declaring that his local election victory in Leeds was in fact a victory for Gaza.
Perhaps they don’t know about the Muslim mob outside the Manchester police station, threatening violence against the whole country unless the men who attacked the airport police officers were allowed to go free. They probably won’t mention the machete wielding thugs in Southend and at The Notting Hill Carnival either.
No, the media are just worried about the 'far right' and that is why they were not in the least concerned about the blatant two tier policing, such as that which occurred in Whitehall only three days ago. The Far Right...whoever they may be...with their 'nefarious intentions'. They don’t see these people involved in the disorder as ordinary British subjects. They can not bring themselves to consider that they are angrily protesting because they have been denied a voice, denied by precisely those people who broadcast in the mainstream media. Denied a hearing because they don't share the liberal globalist values of the metropolitan university educated elites.
The media don’t care if English people want their children, their sisters and wives to be safe from outsiders because they feel it is their responsibility to represent the poor oppressed outsiders. They have no sympathy for people who want their own country to represent and protect them and not the millions of uninvited visitors. They certainly don’t care if British people feel threatened by the hostile and pervasive presence of a woke ideology that hates them and seeks to undermine them at every turn, because that is precisely what these commentators are there to do, every day.
If English people no longer recognise or feel safe on their own streets and in their own communities that’s just too bad. They are simply the wrong community of people.
No, the media would rather instantly close down any discussion and disregard these concerns as ‘right wing talking points’, as ‘racist’ and as fascist. They see those who hold these concerns as without virtue and therefore not deserving of a voice or a hearing. They’re quite happy to dismiss these people as supporters of the EDL, a Nationalist Group that doesn’t even exist and hasn’t for over a decade. Most importantly they are happy to ignore the long list of outrages that have led us all to this point.
So let the Muslims complain about how unsafe white working class people make them feel when they call them nasty names. Because, after all, words are hurtful and much more dangerous than the actual physical violence that UK citizens are now faced with on a daily basis from the malevolent presence of Islamists, undocumented adventurers and grooming gangs in their midst.
So let’s get the Muslim London Mayor to spend more money on protecting mosques and helping Muslims spread their religion of peace. Let him bring in and house some more undocumented young men from troubled Islamic countries and let’s not worry if they throw chemicals, molest and predate on British women. Let's turn a blind eye to the Islamic hate preachers, like Anjem Choudary as they spread their message with impunity in mosques in British towns and on the internet. Let's give more of the tax payers’ money to shadowy Islamic groups that support Hamas and Hezbollah, with our police officers taking the knee and assisting the protestors while they deface British historic figures and monuments.
Let’s undermine and devalue the indigenous culture, language and history. Let's deconstruct the UK's Christian legacy by flying Pakistani flags from Westminster Cathedral, by projecting Palestinian flags on the Houses of Parliament and by having call to prayer in our Town Halls. Let's celebrate Ramadan not Easter and bully English people who do not observe the fast.
And if the police use batons, riot shields against English people, kettling them, dragging them out and arresting them on trumped up charges, don’t worry about it. They don’t count. It is the ‘victimized’ Muslim communities who Two Tier Keir thinks should come first, after all, most of them still vote Labour. The white working class don’t. They know the Labour Party, just like the mainstream media, hates them.
Multiculturalism is failing right in front of our eyes. Enforced mass immigration on the scale the UK is currently experiencing is both unsustainable and intolerable, economically and culturally. Allowing thousands of undocumented people to enter the country illegally threatens everyone’s safety. It is not ‘Islamophobic’ to be wary of radical Islamism It is not racist to draw these conclusions. It is not ‘far right’ to want to do something about it. It is not immoral, unethical or cruel to want to be protected from those who threaten our way of life and do not share our values.
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If you are British it is considered very unfashionable to voice the opinion that Britain has contributed anything but evil to the world. It seems widely accepted now that the British, throughout history, have been responsible for a deeply flawed, racist, colonial conservatism that ideologically, religiously, economically and physically enslaved millions throughout recent centuries. Even previously beloved figures such as Churchill are now considered flawed or misguided if not hateful mysogenistic and racist. The British are Britain's biggest critics, of its history, its society, its political systems, its economy and its institutions.
It is very unusual to hear that the British have been responsible for promoting anything as universally valued as freedom or wit, art, literature, constitutiinal democracy, common law, scientific progress, innovative engineering or even good music and comedy?
Perhaps it takes an outside observer, such as Prof Peterson, to remind the British that they are not as crap as they think they are?
They probably wont believe it though. After all, we were responsible for all the slavery, all the economic disparity, all the social ills and all the civil strife in the world today, weren't we?
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For Starmer's information;suggested reasons for the protests:
1. The history of indiscriminate Islamist violence going back to 2005.
2. Enforced mass immigration, despite electoral promises to limit numbers by both main parties.
3. The cost and anti-social threat posed by iillegal migrants.
4. The ‘woke’ progressive agenda undermining British history, culture and freedom of speech.
5. The mainstream media demonising, dismissing and mischaracterising the English working classes and those who speak for them (TR).
6. Two Tier policing, particularly Harehills, Leeds compared with the subsequent Whitehall protest. The police are not seen as operating without fear or favour.
7. The blatant imbalance of the PM and Home Secretary’s response. Tone deaf to the causes compared with BLM etc.
8. The emergence and threat of 'political Islam' in UK politics.
9. The rise of knife crime, grooming gangs, acid attacks and sexual violence on the streets of English towns.
10. The huge religious/ethnic ghettos, the failure of multi-culturalism and increasing lack of trust in national institutions,
11. The Pro Gaza marches with all the associated anti-Western rhetoric and civil disobedience.
12. The housing crisis and cost of living crisis.
13. Imported foreign conflicts leading to violent disorder on English streets.
14. Finally and most significantly: three innocent little English girls brutally and senselessly murdered by a second generation immigrant.
Ignore the narrative about fake news, online disinformation and misinformation being deliberately spread. It is a minor detail, but it works both ways, both groups are being fed misinformation.
Ignore the narrative about extremist agitators coming in from outside, if they exist at all they are on both sides of the divide.
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Certain views and opinions are simply not voiced in the mainstream media in the UK, usually those of the majority of white working class Brits and, as most people know, they are not necessarily liberal. The liberal and left wing metropolitan elite have effectively silenced them by linking values to virtue; if you have the wrong opinions you have no virtue and so you can have your platform taken away or be dismissed as 'racist', divisive, stupid or just simply wrong.
It has been this way for many years and it has allowed a certain progressive ideological perspective to be promoted through the media unchallenged. The assumption that everybody has embraced the politics of Diversity, Equality, Inclusion, of trans rights, gay pride and multiculturalism. It has also effectively silenced those who do not agree with these liberal assumptions. It has not reflected the views of people who hold different, more traditional, culturally Christian values. The majority.
Farage is simply trying to reflect what most people think but are not allowed to say, and the media hate it. Even if he's factually wrong (and most of the time he isn't) or he has the wrong priorities (and most of the time he hasn't) he still has the right to express his opinions, but people who control the media see it as their ideological obligation to discredit him and denigrate his perspective. Failing that they can side-line him by blaming him for the failures of Brexit. They simply can not let him establish his narrative because, unlike their own, it is what most working class people think and what often they simply know to be true.
Farage knows that some communities of immigrants share British values and some don't. He knows some communities mostly speak English and some don't. He knows that some take pride in British history and culture and that some resent it. He would be well aware that some communities contribute more than they take and some don't. He knows some people come to settle and prosper and some are simply passing through.
He also knows that record increases in legal immigration in the last three years have effected; house prices, rents, the availability of hospital beds, GP appointments, dentists, school places, that these demographic changes have led to the UK courts being overwhelmed, the prisons overcrowded, hospitals filled to capacity, shockingly high crime figures with increased incidents if rape and record levels of chemical attacks. He knows that there have been extremely violent incidents involving immigrants and asylum seekers from the Middle East, Afghanistan and North Africa. He knows they represent a growing problem in our towns and cities.
He will also be acutely aware that it is costing UK tax payers over £8m a day to house and feed asylum seekers and illegal immigrants while British families are made homeless through ‘no fault’ evictions.
He also knows that the situation in Gaza has radicalised some Muslims, that winning candidates in recent local elections said they were standing for the people of Palestine not necessarily the local constituents. He will have noticed how many towns now have Muslim mayors and senior administrators. He will have noticed key political figures specifically pandering to Islamic groups in the build up to the forthcoming election.
He knows that traditional British Christian cultural values are being been eroded by Islamic culture, because he will have seen the recent calls to prayer in town halls and Parliament, the Ramadan messaging on train timetables, the streets lined with Palestinian flags, the prayer in public spaces or simply the proliferation of new mosques being built. The crescent and star is ubiquitous in towns and cities now, you can not fail to notice.
He would also be well aware of the rise of anti-Semitism on our streets, in our schools and in our public spaces. He will have seen how any debate about this worrying development can be effectively closed down with accusations of ‘Islamophobia’.
He will be well aware of how the progressives have sided with Muslims because of Gaza and how they seek to protect this minority group from the ‘oppression’ of being properly policed. He will be well aware of how this has led to accusations of ‘two tier policing’ from white working class people who have had their marches, rallies and demonstrations met with authoritarian policing methods. Meanwhile the police tolerate the desecration of memorials, hate speech, anti-Semitism, calls for Jihad and intifada from the regular pro-Gaza marchers. Sikhs, Hindus, Christians and especially Jews are becoming increasingly concerned about this cultural shift toward a promotion of and protection of an increasingly intolerant Islamic perspective. People are frightened of its violent undercurrent and resentful of its increasing presence in public life. The BBC will be aware of all of this, they just refuse to say so.
Luckily Farage can say it and let's hope he continues to.
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For Starmer:'s information reasons for the protests:
1. The history of Islamist violence going back to 2005
2. Enforced mass immigration, despite electoral promises by both main parties to limit or reduce numbers.
3. The cost and anti-social threat posed by iillegal migrants.
4. The ‘woke’ progressive agenda undermining British history, culture and freedom of speech.
5. The mainstream media demonising, dismissing and mischaracterising the English working classes and those who speak for them (TR).
6. Two Tier policing.
7. The blatant imbalance of the PM and Home Secretary’s response.
8. The emergence and threat of 'political Islam'.
9. The rise of knife crime, grooming gangs, acid attacks and sexual violence on the streets of English towns.
10. The huge religious/ethnic ghettos, the failure of multi-culturalism and increasing lack of trust in national institutions,
11. The Pro Gaza marches with all the associated anti-Western rhetoric, anti-semitism and civil disobedience.
12. The housing crisis and cost of living crisis.
13. Imported foreign conflicts leading to violent disorder on English streets.
14. Finally and most significantly: three innocent little English girls brutally and senselessly murdered by a second generation immigrant.
Ignore the narrative about fake news, online disinformation and misinformation being deliberately spread. It is a minor detail.
Ignore the narrative about extremist agitators coming in from outside, if they exist at all they are on both sides of the divide.
Let's see if Youtube allow this comment to remain...
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Brand has yet to be proven guilty of anything. He has been accused in the media (not in a court of law) by people who have remained anonymous, who take no responsibility for their accusations and have yet to have their accusations be examined legally.
As yet, as far as I know, the police have taken no action. No evidence has been properly presented or properly examined. As such, by law, Brand is currently innocent, crucially, UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
In the meantime it seems Big Tech and the MSM have the right to pre-emptively punish him by stopping him from making his money and removing his content? If the newspapers, Youtube, Netflix, Channel 4 and the BBC can prove his misdeeds, or that he is a predatory actor or that in some other way he has offended public decency (after profiting from his content for over 20 years incidentally) why have they not referred him to the police?
Something very fishy is going on here. It seems Brand is deliberately being unplatformed and destroyed without being given any right of reply or a chance to legally defend himself. That may seem okay to people who don't like him (or rather his public persona) but imagine it happening to anyone else. Similarly people are now reluctant to object to this process in case they are seen as defending the man, rather than his right to defend himself in a court of law. It's like a Kafka story.
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Suggested root causes for the protests:
1. The history of indiscriminate Islamist violence going back to 2005, a constant threat and menace in the minds of the public.
2. Enforced mass immigration, particularly over the last three years, despite explicit electoral promises in 2019 to limit numbers by both main parties.
3. The cost and anti-social threat posed by iillegal migrants. The concern that we have weak borders and that it is a political choice.
4. The ‘woke’ progressive agenda continually undermining British history, culture and freedom of speech through national institutions and universities.
5. The mainstream media demonising, dismissing and mischaracterising the English working classes and those who speak for them (TR), alienating ordinary people, dismissing their concerns and making them feel unrepresented in the national discussion.
6. Two Tier policing, particularly Harehills, Leeds compared with the subsequent Whitehall protest. The police are not seen as operating without fear or favour.
7. The blatant imbalance of the PM and Home Secretary’s response (compared with their responses to BLM etc for example) and the constant dismissal of public concerns as 'far right' talking points.
8. The emergence and threat of 'political Islam' in UK politics. Mothin Ali for example.
9. The rise of knife crime, grooming gangs, acid attacks and sexual violence on the streets of English towns.
10. The huge religious/ethnic ghettos, the failure of multi-culturalism and increasing lack of trust in national institutions,
11. The Pro Gaza marches with all the associated anti-Western rhetoric, anti-semitism and civil disobedience.
12. The housing crisis, low wages and cost of living crisis, perceived as a consequence of immigration
13. Imported foreign conflicts leading to violent disorder on English streets.
14. Finally and most significantly: three innocent little English girls brutally and senselessly murdered by a second generation immigrant.
Ignore the narrative about fake news, online disinformation and misinformation being deliberately spread by figures like Farage, TR or Andrew Tate. It is a minor detail and it works both ways; both groups being fed misinformation.
Ignore the narrative about extremist agitators coming in from outside, if they exist at all they are on both sides of the divide.
My conclusion is that it is mostly not economic factors that have lead to this crisis but the threat of violence coming from communities who do not share British, pluralist, democratic values. People feel they need to defend their communities againstbthis threat because they do not think the government or the police will.
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Governments in the West = DINOs. Brilliant. But has it ever been different? Have our democracies ever been more democratic, if so when? In my experience, since the Thatcher era, there has been a general slide towards limiting civil liberties not a broadening.
For example: people who protested against the Poll Tax, travellers and those who lived in 'The Convoy', anti-road protesters, hunt saboteurs, the Stone Henge free festival suppoters, squatters, unionists etc etc, all these popular movements led to law changes that would make their 'anti social' activities illegal or at least much more difficult to participate in without being prosecuted.
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@guidofarage7457 I absolutely agree. I think this kind of content is really disingenuous of Politics Joe. They should be destroying the Tories for their lies in 2019 about introducing an 'Australian style' high skilled, high wages, low numbers immigration policy. They should be exposing the facts, showing the data and illustrating the crisis with refernce to housing, health care and social cohesion.
Instead they are gaslighting white working class people's legitimate concerns about the social/economic cost of unparalled levels of legal immigration. Not to mention the £8million a day on hotel accomodation, 14,000 missing applicants, tens of thousands of asylum seekers fast tracked without due dilligemce and endless time wasted discussing Rwanda (an exchange deal not a deportation plan) which wouldn't even scratch the surface of the problem.
Its not a race thing, its not a compassion thing, its not a nationalist thing its an existential crisis for normal indiginous UK citizens. The numbers are shocking and the left hardly dare discuss it, let alone provide a solution.
Politics Joe were taking the piss with this item: Leicester had race riots last year, Pakistanis vs Indians, over a poxy cricket match. The city is racially divided right down the middle ffs. Multi culturalism in action, just like last week in Camberwell, where the Ethiopians attacked the Eritreans and then both turned on the unarmed police with sticks and bottles,
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Matt would say that, even though Chris Hope is able to voice his views publically and is well represented by voices in the (more right wing, independent) media, he differs from the group described by having different values.
He is not seeking to gain virtue from expressing radical, critical, social justice valuesin fact he is working against the interests of the group Matt described. If nothing else he is reflecting the views held by the majority of UK citizens, not those held by the increasingly illiberal, globalized, financially comfortable, luxury belief holding minority such as James O'Brien, Emily Maitliss and of course most of the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 news and politics staff.
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Trump does not do the subject justice. He was poorly prepared and (typically) made exaggerated cliams that are based on rumours rather than the truth. This is a wasted opportunity because his inaccuracies mask the fact that, because of the recent arrival of huge numbers of Haitians and the subsequent culture clashes, the people of Springfield Ohio are facing exactly the same issues that the British public are currently dealing with: rising violent crime rates, rising rental prices and shrinking housing stock, lower wages, lack of job opportunities, housing over crowding, the increased dumping of litter and refuse, increased competition for finite resources especially state benefits, an increase in illegal and dangerous driving, a general lack of social trust and a deterioration of standards of public behaviour.
The rumoured goose thing is based on one picture posted on Facebook showing a migrant carrying a dead bird and the cat thing is based on one van being pulled over by the Springfield police in which migrants had gathered up an unspecified number of cats. Everything else (that Trump didn't mention), the car crashes, the taking over of neighbour hoods, the welfare lines, the culture clashes are true and can easily be fact checked by the BBC if necessary.
The take away is that it is very sad that we all have to reply upon Trump to fight our corner.
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Kamala is a woke empty suit who seems to have failed upwards throughout her career, largely for reasons of DEI. She seems happy to bend the truth in order to portray Trump in the worst possible terms as well as having very little honesty about her record in office. She seems to have been involved in a terrible conspiracy to hide how incapacitated Joe Biden was from the US citizens only to then unceremonially oust him when the facts were exposed. She is not qualified to run nor does she have a popular mandate to be the Democratic candidate. She is personally responsible for the Southern border and the sanctuary city chaos the US are now experiencing. She represents a particularly undemocratic Democratic elite who bring with them all the Trans ideology, Critical Race Theory intended, ultimately, to undermine Western values.
On the other hand Trump is an erratic narcissist without any real ideology who is quite happy to lie to the public when necessary. Mostly he seems to want to protect America's richest people, like himself and, because of this, he does have a reasonably good economic record. He has been quite strong on immigration and borders but he remains eccentric and unpredictable. However, internationally, he does project a certain strength that Harris would entirely lack.
What a crap choice the Americans have!
Given that Trump seems much less vigorous and able than he was in 2016, I would probably vote for him, hoping that J.D.Vance (supported by RFK and Tulsi Gabbard) will be stepping in quite soon.
I expect Trump to win by a narrow margin and for the Democrats to widely imply that the election was 'stolen', just like Hilary Clinton did in 2016.
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@logoutofmyaccountweirdo You are right: in the West culture is a kind of market place and people are free to take or leave whatever aspects they prefer. Things are not so flexible elsewhere by the way.
My 'solution' to the decline of manufacturing in the UK would not be undemocratic, nor would it be biased towards British businesses because they are 'white'. I'm not sure what gave you that idea, you must have me confused with someone else in the comments.
Domestic productivity doesn't have to be solely subject to market forces as you describe, nor does protecting it have to be paid for by taxpayers, that sounds likr the old Thatcherite model. On the contrary, manufacturing and industry can be promoted and protected through tax breaks as well as things like the loosening of regulation, improvements in infrastructure, the lowering of energy costs, the awarding of government and public contracts, technological innovation, promoting exports internationally and by limiting or taxing imports. In other words commercial incentives.
Once trully productive and efficient, market forces can actually benefit manufacturers as their products become more competitive and desirable. Start with inshore, then nearshore then offshore.
It also helps if you can provide a good supply of well trained, highly skilled, well paid, well housed, motivated, happy and healthy workers. A social balance in other words: government, industry and workers working together towards a common goal: prosperity and growth.
Not sure what objection you could have to this, hope it makes my position clearer.
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Why oh why does our so-called 'government' not realise that, as long as they are making sure that the UK has a strong economy, generous social welfare, a just judicial system, good educational opportunities, an efficient NHS, tolerant societal values and fair and impartial policing: foriegn economic migrants will always be tempted to risk their lives by making reckless and dangerous attempts to cross our borders, irrespective of the risks to their health.
It would be much better if the government was to simply: mismanage the ecomony, under-fund the welfare state, cut back on education, overload the courts, mismange the NHS, increase social division and intollerance in our communities, under-staff the police, encourage zero hour contracts and an unskilled work force, remove legislation that protects our health and work places, fail to provide affordable housing, allow unaccountable multi national corporations to exploit our system, discourage social mobility and generally make the UK a nastier place to live...oh look! That's what they're doing. Clever government! The migrants will soon lose interest now!
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If the 'value' that is most important to Hamas is to not harm 'the hair on a child's head' why did they authorize their fighters to attack and murder children and babies on Oct 7th? Hamas has not acted upon that 'value' in relation to Israeli children but, more importantly, nor have they sought to protect their own children. In fact they have, for many years, indoctrinated their children to be participants in the violence and used their innocent suffering as a tool to gain international support.
They have denied children shelter in their tunnels, they have built no bomb shelters to protect them, they have made their schools military targets by using them to cache weapons, they have starved them by denying them access to food, denied them medical aid and fresh water. They have hidden amongst them in combat and denied them the freedom to leave combat areas. They have even given them weapons and encouraged them to be martyrs by fighting the IDF.
Meanwhile Israel is expected to defend themselves against Hamas attacks without a single child casualty? Which other conflict was fought in such a way? What other army was expected to defeat a ruthless enemy in such a compassionate way?
This guy is a really good example of how unbalanced, ill informed and inaccurate this debate has become. You can pretty much be sure that whatever he is accusing the Israelis of is exactly what Hamas are guilty of. Great at rabble rousing, pathetic in debate.
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@ILikeFreedomYo The 'constraining principle', in the case of the UK, is central government wanting public sector wages to be depressed and budget allocations declining in real terms over the last thirteen years. Because of this there is a mass exodus of workers from teaching, nursing, doctors, prison workers, senior police officers etc Those who have remained feel they have no other way to bring the public's attention to the way their services are being undermined but by striking.
Nurses, junior doctors, ambulance drivers, railway workers, junior barristers are threatening strikes is because cut backs have made their jobs unsafe and almost unworkable.
It's not just about wages, it is about their terms of employment and the declining conditions they are being expected to endure in the work place.
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It's interesting that as soon as the discussion turns to the anti semitic chants, posters and plackards in the pro-Palestinian march, the clip ends. No mention is made of the pro-Hamas headbands, the calls for Jihad and the Islamic State flags and slogans openly being waved by people in the crowd.
Apparently we seem to have a very selective view of what 'far right' actually means at the moment.
I've always associated the phrase with racial hatred, especially anti-semitism, intolerance of dissent, being anti democratic, having a binary view of culture and politics divided between the enemies and the allies, homphobia, sexism, an intolerance of free speech and debate, a general distaste for liberal values and it's institutions not to mention an inclination towards genocidal, militaristic solutions.
Does that sound at all familiar?
Seems to me there were just as many examples of that kind of thing amongst the pro-Palestine marchers as there were amongst the hooligans on Saturday. Why are we not recognizing the reactionary, 'far-right' leanings of the muslim fundamentalists? They may have been 'only a small fraction' of the crowd on Saturday but there was still a very large number of them, and they were completely unashamed of the hate filled rhetoric they were spouting (especially the young girls in the crowd for some reason?).
The only reason why it didn't spill over into violence was because the police treated them with respect and took great care not to openly confront any of them unless absolutely necessary. Just like at the BLM protests during lockdown. I wonder why the double standard? Could the awful Braverman have actually been right for once?
Just an observation...
I wonder why?
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Fuk fuk fuk fuk fuk fuk fuk!
Interesting, the large Internet corporations' justify themselves by saying that they are 'increasing communication and connectivity' as though that is universal panacea. Is social media actually creating more intollerance and division? It seems to be mostly used as a place to express bile and haterd without co sequence. Is there a reluctance to make use of critical thinking, a disregard for evidence or impiricism? Is there also an inability to concentrate beyond tiny soundbites, an inability to consider nuance? Fox seems to be asking, are we no longer allowed to express opinions that challenge the norm and if we do so, are we never to be forgiven? Do we deserve to be cancelled if we simply question unproven, innacurate or distorted opinions when they are dressed up as fact? Are we allowed to be unorthodox, critical, sceptical, questioning only if coming from a certain viewpoint, social group, race, religion, cultural, political or historical perspective? Sounds very Orwellian to me! But then again, I am a white, middle class, university educated, hetrosexual, privaleged, patriarchal, self entitled West Ham fan, so I would say that wouldn't I?
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Well done KK for being brave enough to mention culture. Why are the progressive left so unconcerned when immigrant communities are mysogynistic, support an inflexible patriarchy, are homophobic, transphobic, unconcerned about the age of consent, indulge in honour killings, rape gangs, FGM, religious intolerance, are disrespectful of the law (even to the extent of employing modern slaveryl, ethnically insular and entirely disregarding of concepts of diversity or inclusion. Seems a little hypocritical doesn't it?
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Why on Earth would any self respecting politician want to ally themselves with BJ now?
He cynically took on the Brexit cause to boost his career, promised to 'get Brexit done', didn't, lied to the Queen, broke his own rules for lockdown, lied about it, privately and unethically supported his supporters and colleagues, lied about it, got caught, denied it, tarnished his own image and the image of parliamentary democracy, his party and politicians in general, had all his cabinet resign, tried to point the finger a others for his failings and then tried to reward those that had enabled him with honours.
The man was a disease in the body politic and we are better for his enforced departure.
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@radicalcartoons2766 But they did. Parliament had an opportunity to tighten up the regulations on dumping waste into water ways a few months ago and chose not to.
Then, the consequence was that, the very very first downpour results in rivers and beaches covered in shit, condoms and toilet paper.
If GL decides to blame 'politicians' in a tweet it may be because politicians are to blame? Who else should he attribute the blame to?
The water authorities and their under investment? But even that can be blamed on inadequate regualtion which successive governments have allowed since privatisation You can't get away from the conclusion that our politicians are to blame.
Or should he perhaps, because of his job, despite his indignation, keep his opinions to himself ? Personally I think blaming 'politicians' is an Englishman's birthright, whether they work for the BBC or not. Especially under these cicumstances. I actually think we need our media to strictly hold the government to account and point out its flaws whenever possible. Even if they present the football on a Saturday night. Especially under these disgraceful circumstances.
I suspect the 'problem' here is the type of comments Gary Lineker makes. It is because they are critical. If he made comments supporting the establishment (like Jimmy Saville, Kenny Everett or Noel Edmonds used to) Dan Wootten wouldn't be bothered. Its because he thinks GL is too 'woke' or too left wing, But shit on the beaches is not a left wing concern. Its an non partisan issue. It is not ideological. It reflects a concern about the environment. Not a party political issue.
So what Dan Wootten is saying here is that employees of the BBC should not criticise the government in their social media because they are employed by a public corporation. Indeed some organisations do indeed ban you from making ill-considered comments on social media, but I don't think blaming the government in this circumstances is unacceptable.
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Suggested reasons for the protests:
1. The history of indiscriminate Islamist violence going back to 2005.
2. Enforced mass immigration, particularly overbthe last three years, despite electoral promises in 2019 to limit numbers by both main parties.
3. The cost and anti-social threat posed by iillegal migrants. Weak borders.
4. The ‘woke’ progressive agenda undermining British history, culture and freedom of speech.
5. The mainstream media demonising, dismissing and mischaracterising the English working classes and those who speak for them (TR), alienating ordinary people, dismissing their concerns.
6. Two Tier policing, particularly Harehills, Leeds compared with the subsequent Whitehall protest. The police are not seen as operating without fear or favour.
7. The blatant imbalance of the PM and Home Secretary’s response. Tone deaf to the causes (compared with BLM etc) and the constant dismissal of public concerns as 'far right' talking points
8. The emergence and threat of 'political Islam' in UK politics.
9. The rise of knife crime, grooming gangs, acid attacks and sexual violence on the streets of English towns.
10. The huge religious/ethnic ghettos, the failure of multi-culturalism and increasing lack of trust in national institutions,
11. The Pro Gaza marches with all the associated anti-Western rhetoric and civil disobedience.
12. The housing crisis and cost of living crisis.
13. Imported foreign conflicts leading to violent disorder on English streets.
14. Finally and most significantly: three innocent little English girls brutally and senselessly murdered by a second generation immigrant.
Ignore the narrative about fake news, online disinformation and misinformation being deliberately spread by figures like Andrew Tate. It is a minor detail, but it works both ways, both groups are being fed misinformation.
Ignore the narrative about extremist agitators coming in from outside, if they exist at all they are on both sides of the divide.
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If you're feeling the pinch you know that tax cuts and Nat Ins reductions will make no difference to your increasing costs.
If you're on £80,000 a year and not feeling it, its all so simple: give up all your luxuries, give up your cigarettes and your avocados, cancel Sky and Netflix, walk or cycle to work, buy clothes from a charity shop, don't buy treats for your kids, don't take foreign holidays, relocate to a place with lower rent, don't expect 'hand outs', get a family member to provide your child care, spend the day somewhere warm so you don't have to worry about fuel bills, don't be frivilous blah blah blah.
What seems to get overlooked is the fact that most normal people are already doing these things and obviously its not enough to make a difference.
Nevermind, Liz Truss' tax breaks for the rich and further restrictions on industrial action should help a lot.
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@samirabenalia6473 There was never a 'time of Adam'. I think, like many people in this thread, you need a history lesson based upon facts rather than legend, misinformation and mythology. Allow me to provide one.
The earliest historical records show that the area in question (which we shall call 'The Levant' so as to show no bias) was inhabited by the Canaanites. They were followed by the Egyptians and then, some time after 'the Bronze Age collapse', the Israelites. They were there for 414 years and established the Kingdom Of Judah. They were eventually replaced by the Babylonians, The Persians, The Greeks, interrupted briefly by the Hasmoneans or the Maccabee rebellion. This period was followed by a period of occupation by The Romans, then the Byzantine Empire, the Christians, the Sassanids and then the Muslim Caliphate under the Umayyad dynasty and later the Abassid dynasty. They were then followed by the Tulunids, The Falamids, The Seljuk Turks, The Christian Crusaders, The Ayyubids, The Khwarezmians, The Mamluks and The Ottomans who remained for 400 years.
After WW1 the British and French assumed control over the entire region, with the British eventually passing responsibility for the region to the newly created states of Israel and Jordan. Finally this led to Israeli control of the region.
Throughout all that time it was under Islamic control for 1,283 years, Judaism for 1,197 years, Christianity for 410 years.
The people who occupied it for the longest were the Romans for 683 years, the ancient tribe of Judahites for 414 years and the Ottoman Turkss for 401 years.
It has never been ruled over by the group we now call the Palestinians.
If you are able, therefore, to conclude that a certain ethnic, religious or cultural group has more right to the Levant than another, you are probably over-simplifying. The future peace will based upon compromise, tolerance and co-operation, not fanaticism and religious dogma. Learn from history and then you might not repeat it.
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@samirabenalia6473 There was never a 'time of Adam'. I think, like many people in this thread, you need a history lesson based upon facts rather than legend, misinformation and mythology. Allow me to provide one.
The earliest historical records show that the area in question (which we shall call 'The Levant' so as to show no bias) was inhabited by the Canaanites. They were followed by the Egyptians and then, some time after 'the Bronze Age collapse', the Israelites. They were there for 414 years and established the Kingdom Of Judah. They were eventually replaced by the Babylonians, The Persians, The Greeks, interrupted briefly by the Hasmoneans or the Maccabee rebellion. This period of occupancy was followed by The Romans, the Byzantine Empire, the Christians, the Sassanids and then the Muslim Caliphate under the Umayyad dynasty and then later the Abassid dynasty. They were then followed by the Tulunids, The Falamids, The Seljuk Turks, The Christian Crusaders, The Ayyubids, The Khwarezmians, The Mamluks and The Ottomans Turks who remained for 400 years.
After WW1 the British assumed control eventually passng responsibility for the region to the ewly formed states of Israel and the Jordan. This eventually led to Israeli control.
Throughout all that time the land was under Islamic control for 1,283 years, Judaism for 1,197 years, Christianity for 410 years.
The people who occupied it for the longest were the Romans for 683 years, the Judahites for 414 years and the Ottomans for 401 years.
It has never been ruled over by the group we now call the Palestinians.
If you are able, therefore, to conclude that a certain ethnic, religious or cultural group has more right to the Levant than another, you are probably over-simplifying. The future peace will based upon compromise, co-operation and tolerance not fanaticism and religious dogma.
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An interesting exercise, allow me...
Q1: Farage does not have a team of the gifted and committed surrounding him, unlike Trunp. His values are not fixed and he has been proved to not have much personal integrity.
Q2. Ignore them.
Q3.Strong borders, Parliamentary supremacy, over international treaties and agreements such as the ECHR, negative net immigration, remove the wokeness from national institutions and the law, deconstruct the Quangoes, protect and uphold freedom of speech and Christian values.
Q4. To oppose progressivism, Marxism, post modernism, Intersectionality, DEI CRT etc. Uphold family, faith, common law, nation, traditional and protect national heritage and Christian values.
Q5: A post Blairite consensus, deliberately entrenched into politics and the institutions of gvernment, education and law. Supported and promoted by global corporate elites.and the managerial state.
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All races seem to show racial predjudice towards one race or another, but the 'white people' are now being incouraged to be racist against themselves? They are to 'educate themselves' to feel guilt for the 'privilege' they enjoy, to despise the way they unconciously discriminate against people of different races. Not just to apologize for, but to actively deconstruct their cuture, language and history. This is of course a product of Critical Race Theory, a Neo Marxist, Post Modernist phiiosophy largely developed in the USA and largely shaped as a response to American society and its 'inherant institutional racism'.
The fact that the NHS is allowing CRT to be propagated through its own website, a web site intended to support the public's health, not political positioning, is symptomatic of how deeply CRT has been accepted, without question or challenge, by our national institutiions.
I should mention that the NHS; that has always provided healthcare for people regardless of colour, has always employed people regardless of colour and is a fine example of a multiracial organisation, is a product of this 'Institutionally Racist' white society?
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Our political elite have been propping up a failing economy by importing consumers to boost demand and depress wages.They also argue that mass immigration keeps taxes down too, but we all know that isn't happening. They are globalists and don't actually experience the impact of mass immigration. That is why they can cling to their luxury beliefs, silence or shame the voices of dissent and cling to their anti -British, globalist values.
The idealistic 'woke' progressives of the cultural left see criticising this model as an expression of racism. But it actually has nothing to do with race: If you imported 1.2 million Australians each year, or Belgians, or Swedes, it would just as damaging to the nation's social fabric. It places unsustainable pressure upon social housing, house prices, rents, the NHS, GP appointments, dentists, beds in hospitals, places in schools, care for the elderly, homes for the homeless, council services, benefits and of course jobs. That's not to mention the cultural friction that also follows.
As you mention, it also has a worrying religious aspect too.
I would refer anyone who is interested in deconstructing this political model to the work of Prof. Mathew Goodwin in his book 'Values, Voice and Virtue'.
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When I was young, back in Thatcher's Britain, we all suspected that the legal system was corrupt because it so obviously served the interests of 'the Tory establishment'. As ordinary British people we all called for a 'fairer' system that wouldn't automatically work against our interests.
How ironic that, now the anti-establishment guys have become the establishment, they choose to use the British legal system to serve the interests of everybody but the British people.
What's worse, it turns out they've been doing it for ages, not only in the legal profession but also in the civil service, academia, local government, the church, the NHS, through the police and the legacy media, all with the complicity of a series of 'conservative' governments.
It seems the British public are even more poorly served by this generation of ideologically driven activist professionals, who hold this destructive, 'progressive' ideology, than those they replaced. And now, of course these people are all firmly in the driving seat!
Is it any surprise that we all find ourselves screaming out for a Trump/J.D.Vance figure to come and 'drain the UK swamp'? It is long overdue, but i wonder how much longer the long-suffering British public will be prepared to wait?
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Disappointed with this content DDN. I've no objection to his stance on Palestine, but Its quite possible that people are so ready to misinterpret Roger Water's work at this time because of the various ill informed, rambling speeches that he has made on other subjcts in recent years.
He has defended Russian agression in Ukraine, he has defended the CCP, he has spread various conspiracy theories about COVID and usually has very little statistical evidence or data to back any of it up.
He is not bothered about evidence, he prefers invective, and swearing! He belittles people who don't agree with his perspective and usually insults them rather than debating with them.
He presents his case in such a rambling, haphazard way, its often quite difficult to follow the logic or divorce it from all the ad hominem attacks.
His grandiose statements about how he has been 'cancelled' because he is an existential threat to Isreal seems narcissistic, egotistical and frankly highly unlikely. It doesn't help the cause. In fact, in relation to the state brutality of Israel, I think his raging speeches alienate sensible people from the issue, rather than bringing people over to the right side of the debate.
He does more harm than good with all his shouting and swearing. It doesn't make his argument stronger. And by the way, what reading exactly should we all do Roger? No doubt all the same books as him I suppose, and not the ones that counter his arguments because they must automatically be 'propaganda' and lies. He may well dismiss the mainstream media, but come on Roger, anyone with a world tour, huge record sales and an international platform is pretty mainstream too, surely?
I know his fans will probably disagree with me, but I think he should stick to playing the bass and leave the political speeches to people who are not self-entitled, multi-millionaire meglomaniacs. And also apparently probably half drunk? People who are better at presenting their argument and better at debating with others rather than shouting at them and calling them rude names.
And by the way Roger you did not write 'Dark Side of the Moon' and 'Wish You Were Here' they were a collaborative effort with Dave Gilmore, Rick Wright. Even Nick Mason contributed towards some of it. I always preferred the Syd Barett stuff anyway. And Dave Gilmore was a much better singer by the way.
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The roots of modern Western Civilisation (especially in the UK) predate Islam and lie in the classical Greek civilisation, the Roman period and the rise of Christianity. Post Islam the West was able to, quite independently from the Islamic world, create the agricultural revolution, common law, the Enlightenment, constitutional monarchy, the development of its own science, engineering, medicine and the Industrial revolution, theatre, art, literature, liberal reform, trade unions and eventually universal suffrage. None of those cultural developments owe anything to Islam, 'golden age' or otherwise.
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I asked my Mrs this question after your item on Lotus Eaters, just to see what she would say and without much consideration she also said 'bear'. I was quite surprised until I started to discuss her reasoning. She reminded me of how much women who live in modern cities train themselves to be wary of men, with very good cause.
They don't have to hate men to see them as a physical or sexual threat. Indeed, I definitely teach my teenage daughters to be wary of men they do not know, to presume they are predatory, to be prepared, just to be 'on the safe side'. They do know lots of 'safe men' and love those they know well, but they have no way of knowing if a stranger is 'safe' or not.
It is not misandry, it is not neurotic, it is not unjustified, it is simply a survival strategy employed by young women who live and work in our poorly policed, chaotic and violent towns and cities. The stats concerning: sexual assault, domestic violence, unsuccessful prosecutions of rapists, sexist and mysogynist attitudes ( even amongst police officers) etc suggest there are very good reasons why young women should learn to to be wary of men.
You can blame feminism Carl, but you could just as easily blame movies, tv shows, internet porn, single parent families, the lack of male role models, the culture war on masculinity, the social isolation of young men blah blah blah. The point is, young women who do not become wary of men risk horrible outcomes.
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'No war against Iran, I believe love all is the high plan.' Sounds like a lovely Christian message, unfortunately the Iranian regime does not think along those lines.
If you don't believe me then ask any of the hundreds of thousands who had to leave Iran because the Islamic revolution and their children who can never return. Ask about all the Socialists who helped the regime take power and were then murdered after it happened. Ask about the women who are persucuted and murdered for not wearing the hijab. Ask those who still fight for democracy and freedom of speech within Iran. Ask all the innocent people who's lives are lost and homes are destroyed by missiles bought with Iranian money for their proxy militias. Ask about the Azidis, the Iraqis, the Sunnis, the Jews and the Christians murdered by Iranian sponsored Shia militia groups. Ask the parents of children killed in Iraqi hospitals bombed by Iranian backed terrorists. Ask about those who suffer at the hands of the Iranian backed Houtis in Yemen. Ask any Saudi what they think of the Iranian regime, or people from the UAE, or Egyptians, the Syrians, the Lebanese, Iraqis or people from any Sunni nation. Ask Salman Rushdie.
The idea that you should love a fanatical enemy entirely dedicated to your destruction is ridiculous and if you don't believe we are dealing with fanatics, then listen to the indoctrinated's child speech at the end of the song.
Love your enemy? Yeah, I'd like to see Lowkey do it.
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Mainstream media react to the public unrest...thank goodness for Peter.
What a surprise, the liberal metropolitan elites want to advocate for protecting the religion of peace and the rubber boat enrichment boys by clamping down with 'the full force of the law' on the protestors. Of course they do, because in the minds of the middle class, liberal, ultra-woke broadcasters ‘diversity is our strength’. Even when it results in three small girls being brutally murdered.
They’re not actually too bothered about the three little girls in Southport though, or the people forced to endure the riots in Leeds last week, or the British Jews intimidated and threatened by the pro Hamas marches every weekend. They won’t mention the British soldier stabbed fifty times on his own doorstep last week, or David Ames, or Lee Rigby. They won’t refer to the 20 dead at the Manchester Arena bombing, or the 52 killed by the Central London bombing in 2005, or the five killed in the Westminster attacks in 2017, or the two victims of the London Bridge stabbings in 2017 and then the other two killed in the same place in 2019.
They won’t remember the five victims of the Russell Square stabbings, or the 3 killed in the Reading stabbings in 2020, or the three victims of the Nottingham stabbings a few months ago. They won’t have seen the CCTV footage of the postman being pushed under a tube train two days ago. They won’t be mentioning the Londoners terrorised by the actions of Abdul Azidi a few months ago, or the three British police officers attacked at Manchester airport.
They certainly won’t want to refer to the hundreds English girls raped and abused by the grooming gangs that existed with impunity in so many British towns and cities. Nor will they want to refer to the various British working class communities swamped by asylum seekers. Perhaps they are not aware of the imported conflicts that enforced mass immigration brings with it; like the rioting Bengalis in Whitechapel, or the rioting Eritreans in Camberwell, or Green Party candidate Mothin Ali declaring that his local election victory in Leeds was in fact a victory for Gaza.
Perhaps they don’t know about the mob outside the Manchester police station threatening violence against the whole country unless the men who attacked the airport police were allowed to go free. They probably won’t mention the machete wielding thugs in Southend and at The Notting Hill Carnival either.
No, the media are just worried about the 'far right' and that is why they were not concerned about the blatant two tier policing such as that occurring in Whitehall only three days ago. The Far Right...whoever they may be...with their 'nefarious intentions'. They don’t see these people involved in the disorder as ordinary British subjects. They can not bring themselves to consider that they are angrily protesting because they have been denied a voice, denied by precisely those people who broadcast in the mainstream media. Denied a hearing because they don't share the liberal globalist values of the metropolitan university educated elites.
The media don’t care if English people want their children, their sisters and wives to be safe from outsiders because they feel it is their responsibility to represent the poor victimised outsiders. They have no sympathy for people who want their own country to represent and protect them and not the millions of uninvited visitors. They certainly don’t care if British people feel threatened by the hostile and pervasive presence of a woke ideology that hates them and seeks to undermine them at every turn, because that is precisely what these commentators are there to do, every day. If English people no longer recognise or feel safe on their own streets and in their own communities that’s just too bad. They are simply the wrong community of people.
No, the media would rather instantly close down any discussion and disregard these concerns as ‘right wing talking points’, as ‘racist’, as fascist. They see those who hold these concerns as without virtue and therefore not deserving of a voice or a hearing. They’re quite happy to dismiss these people as supporters of the EDL, a Nationalist Group that doesn’t even exist and hasn’t for over a decade. Most importantly they are happy to ignore the long list of outrages that have led us all to this point.
So let the Muslims complain about how unsafe white working class people make them feel when they call them nasty names. Because, after all, words are hurtful and much more dangerous than the actual physical violence that UK citizens are now faced with on a daily basis from the malevolent presence of Islamists in their midst.
So let’s get the Muslim London Mayor to spend more money on protecting mosques and helping Muslims spread their religion of peace. Let him bring in and house some more undocumented young men from troubled Islamic countries and let’s not worry if they throw chemicals, molest and predate on British women. Let's help Islamic hate preachers like Anjem Choudary spread their message with impunity in mosques in British towns and on the internet. Let's give more money to shadowy Islamic groups that support Hamas, with our police officers taking the knee and assisting the protestors while they deface British historic figures and monuments. Let’s undermine and devalue the indigenous culture, language and history. Let's deconstruct the UK's Christian legacy by flying Pakistani flags from Westminster Cathedral, by projecting Palestinian flags on the Houses of Parliament and by having call to prayer in our Town Halls. Let's celebrate Ramadan not Easter and bully English people who do not observe the fast.
And if the police use batons, riot shields against English people, kettling them, dragging them out and arresting them on trumped up charges, don’t worry about it. They don’t count. It is the ‘victimized’ Muslim communities who Two Tier Keir thinks should come first, after all, most of them still vote Labour. The white working class don’t. They know the Labour Party, just like the mainstream media, hates them.
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Is it possible that the anger shown by the 'thugs' on the streets of Southport and all the other towns where it has kicked off this weekend, was an expression of grief? Anger is a well known stage of dealing with grief.
Not all people want to express grief through compassion and forgiveness right now. Some people want to vent their anger and frustration, especially powerless, disenfranchised, alienated young men. This is how masculinity works sometimes, especially when people are denied a legitimate voice, when they are continually mischaracterised by the media and repeatedly lied to by their own leaders.
Some men and women want to react physically not intellectually. They deeply resent the fact that their daughters, sisters and mothers are at risk of violence and, rightly or wrongly, that the state, in the form of the police, seems to take the side of those who cause the violence.
By the way Tommy Robinson has clearly and repeatedly asked for people not to resort to violence over the last week. So have his closest associates. Just an observation...
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Progressive, identity politics have been able to 'march through the institutions' for at least a couple of decades now. The whole philosophy riddles our schools, colleges, universities, the civil service, the MSM, the management classes and pretty much most of our national institutions.
It is like a religious cult or a mind virus and as such will take decades to flush it all out of our Western societies, if indeed that is even possible.
Trump's victory will not kill it or even push it back, on the contrary, the woke will take his success as justification for their beliefs and double down on their efforts to move us towards their non-binary, non-racist, non-patriarchal, impossible future utopia despite how illogical and paradoxical it may in reality be.
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Thankyou Mahyar for giving this brave man a platform.
We shouldn't be surprised that the establishment is corrupt and covers up it's complicity in fraudulent acts, after the Post Office scandal, the blood transfusion scandal, COVID payment back handers, Prince Andrew, Patterson, Pincher, Mone, even Jimmy Saville and Hillsborough, the list is long, but well done Gary for taking on the establishment and well done Tousi TV for fighting the good fight.
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@fdhgbjsk It's funny how my original comment was a simple analysis of the impact of the Nigerian community in the UK and yet the most interesting replies have been about the Indian diaspora.
If there was an Olympics for success as an immigrant population, the Indians would win gold every time! Not just in the UK but internationally. They have been the largest immigrant group coming to the UK (post Brexit) and if judged by academic achievement, professional achievemnt, involvement in politics, law, medicine, capital aquisition and low crime rates they come top by a significant margin.
In terms of adding more than they take out, the Indian community represent a massive net gain to UK society.
Apart from the nationalist/ethnic/religious/sporting conflicts in Leicester last year I can't think of a single incident in which Indians have distinguished themselves as anything other than a benefit to the UK.
If readers of this comment don't agree I suggest they visit their local doctor, dentist, solicitor, barrister, accountant, research scientist, university lecturer etc etc.
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The amount of Trump derangement syndrome in the UK MSM today was amazing! The descriptions of madness, meglomania and dictatorship flowed and predictions of doom and destruction were everywhere. Some even suggested that Trump is secretly planning to 'pass the Presidency to his son' in four years time to avoid relinquishing power! Like a tyrant king or dictator!
They just hate him, even the so called 'Conservatives'. They are frightened of his American exceptionalism because they think we in the West should be constantly apologetic and humble, for our past transgressions or as atonement for our many successes.
They can't stand his ambition because they are all much more comfortable discussing the managed and 'inevitable' decline of our economy, society, culture.
They resent his popularity and constantly try to belittle his supporters, calling them deranged or at least misinformed.
They fear his self confidence because they are full of doubts and uncertainty.
Trump seems to imply that politics can be inspirational and they find that terrifying. 'What if all our politicians started to offer simple solutions to all those problems that are too difficult for our liberal elites to even discus, let alone solve? What if our politicians started actually delivering on those promises instead of betraying the people who voted for them? What if our politicians had a destinct and inspiring vision for our future? It would be a kind of revolution and we can't have that! Not in Britain!
When he said he plans to take back the Panama Canal (a strategically sound objective) you could almost hear them wincing and squirming in their seats.
When he said he intends to re-name the Gulf of Mexico 'the Gulf of America' I imagine some of the BBC journalists probably needed counselling for anxiety in the nearest safe space. Imagine their discomfort at his deliberately hurty words, They must have been asking how he could be such a bully towards those who were hired for reasons of Diversity not merit? How could he not want equity but just want prosperity? How could he want to remove those who have entered their country illegally over the last four years? What a brute! How dare he want a better deal for Americans and not those who are not? How dare he be so biased towards the majority and not prioritise all the poor, oppressed minorities?
They must be in such a state of existential discomfort at the BBC.
What our political pundits utterly fail to understand is that he is simply doing exactly what Americans have demanded of him. To fight for them and no one else. To 'go to bat for them' and in doing so, present a tough and confident attitude towards the rest of the World. To threaten to squash their many enemies and out compete their ubiquitous rivals. To cut the crap and act like the leader of the free world should; like a strong man, a tough male role model, a patriarch, a leader.
Under such cicumstances the BBC are almost obliged to hate him, same with Ch4, ITV, Sky News, they simply can't understand him and never will. What they also fail to comprehend is how much we need such a leader in this country. Someone to fight for our cause instead of siding with those who would hollow us out, undermine us and erase us.
Good luck to the Donald I say and let's all hope we get someone similar in the UK some day.
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Is there not an inherent contradiction in a 'revolutionary' communist running for election?
You can forgive Fiona's youthful naivety, she has obviously avoided looking too closely at how brutal communist regimes have been throughout history, but Roger Waters has no excuse. His characterisation of communism as simply 'co-operating with each other and not making profits' isn't even childish, it's moronic.
Fiona obviously thinks this moment in history is especially bad and that it has finally created the correct conditions for a communist uprising, led by radical young people, with a 'controlled economy' and the seizure and compulsory redistribution of wealth. She obviously hasn't looked too closely at how terrible conditions were before, inbetween and after the two world wars. She is obviously unaware of what happened In Europe, China, South America and Africa where it had all been done before. Sadly, not a single successful example of it working out okay for 'the workers', or anybody else for that matter. No communist utopia, no socialist paradise, no successful planned economies, no new wealth created after it has been stolen and redistributed and no successful workers' unions running countries for the betterment of their members.
Meanwhile Roger seems to have confused colonialism with piracy and spends so little time in the UK he can not even correctly name Suella Braverman. Was he drunk?
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@AmitPatel-ep7hn I forgot to add, highest tax burden since the war, economy in recession, £8million a day spent on housing illegal migrants, HS 2 scrapped, a string of Tory ministers disgraced and expelled, billions misappropriated during lockdown, record public sector debt, various levelling up schemes cancelled, post Brexit trade deals floundering, 100s of North Sea oil licenses granted to foreign industrial corporations, national mental health crisis, record numbers of middle aged people not returning work after lockdown, record numbers of pupils not returning to school, record numbers of incidents of shop-lifting, record numbers of burglaries not prosecuted, record number of unsuccessful domestic violence and rape prosecutions, record court backlogs, record waiting lists for operations, record numbers of people unable to get a dentist on the NHS, 14,000 undocumentaed asylum seekers lost within the system, £8m a day spent on housing migrants, ongoing millions wasted on the Rwanda Bill, millions wasted on paying the French to restrict channel crossings, house building targets failed, ongoing public sector strikes, GDP per capita at an all time low...the Labour Party literally couldn't do worse. The Reform Party couldn't do worse, a bunch of six formers doing A Level Economics couldn't do worse, my Gran couldn't do worse and she has demetia.
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@AmitPatel-ep7hn The 14 Year Tory legacy
Name one institution that is better now than it was fourteen years ago.
Are wages fairer than they were 14 years ago? Have normal people enjoyed a rise in their standard of living?
Are we safer, more secure, healthier or wealthier? Have we built back better? Have we levelled up? Have we ‘got Brexit done’?
Are the rich richer? Do the wealthiest have more sense of moral duty to contribute or reinvest their wealth in this country, Is it easier for wealthy individuals to find tax loop holes?
Do the large successful corporations such as Amazon pay more into the exchequer or less?
Are dividends higher? Are the salaries and bonuses of top executives fairer?
Is the wealth of the nation being reinvested back into our own economy or is more of it going to China, the Saudis, the Americans, the French or simply off shore tax havens?
Is it easier now to own your own home? Is it easier now to afford your rent? Are rents fairer? Is there more social housing? Is there sufficient social housing? Is there more or less homelessness?
Is the NHS better run and more efficient? Are health outcomes better or worse. Is our life expectancy longer or shorter? Are there more beds or less? Is your local GP’s service better or worse? Are junior doctors or nurses better paid? Are there fewer staff shortages now or more? Is there even sufficient numbers of doctors and nurses? Is treatment easier to receive, and mental health issues better managed and more promptly dealt with? Is it easier to see a dentist? Is private health insurance more or less necessary to secure adequate care and treatment? Is there more obesity, heart disease or diabetes are they being better treated? Is the ambulance service better or worse? Are waiting lists longer or shorter? Do people have more or less control over the treatment they receive? Are there less drug misuse deaths?
Is the police force better than it was? Are there more successful prosecutions and convictions than 14 years ago? Are prisons better run and less overcrowded? Do we feel safer or better served by the police service? Have the number of police support officers gone up or down? Are women safer on our streets? Are the elderly safer in their homes? Are the courts more efficient? Is legal aid better and easier to secure? Are sentences fairer or more proportionate? Has there been more or less crime committed by undocumented asylum seekers?
Do we have less illegal migrants? Are we paying for more illegal migrants to be housed or less? Is immigration lower or highet? Is our national security better served by our army, navy, air force, border patrols, customs? Do we have sufficient weapons to support our allies and equip our own forces? Are ex service people better cared for?
Is our power supply, food supply chain, our commodity supply chain more or less secure? Is our position in the world stronger or weaker? Are our dealings with foreign powers more ethical or less so?
Is public transport better? Are the services more efficient than they were? Are there adequate numbers of bus routes? Are there more services? Are they easier to use and cleaner? Are the railways better run and more efficient?
Are schools better? Are pupils leaving school better equipped for the work place. Are pupils better prepared academically. Are there more and better teachers. Are teachers better motivated and better supported? Do teaching salaries attract good prospective teachers. Are children healthier? Are there higher or lower numbers of truancy? Are there sufficient opportunities to receive vocational training or skills, apprenticeships or mentoring? Are there more opportunities for young people nowadays or less?
Are prices fairer? Is there more or less entrepreneurial opportunities? Is it easier to start your own business? Are there more local shops in our high streets? Is it easier to find qualified staff to fill job vacancies? Are there less rules and regulations to govern businesses and services? Is it easier or more difficult to export goods and services? Is it easier or more difficult to live or work in Europe?
Are our rivers and waterways cleaner? Is our food healthier? Do we have more wind farms and renewable energy sources? Are weather extremes better prepared for? Do our farmers enjoy more support and less administrative restrictions? Do farmers have more or less bureaucracy governing how they manage their crops, their livestock, their fields? Are rural economies stronger or weaker? Is it easier for young people to stay in their local areas and find meaningful work?
Are there more food banks? Are there more industrial disputes? Is the need for ‘warm banks’ greater or lesser than 14 years ago? Are there more libraries, more parks, more public swimming pools?
Have our taxes been more sensibly spent and invested? Were COVID costs sensibly and fairly allocated? Was 'Track and trace' a success? Are we better at reclaiming public funds paid out to fraudsters?
Have standards in public office been raised or even maintained? Do we trust our Parliamentarians more than we did fourteen years ago, do we expect them to tell the truth, stick to their promises or even complete the tasks they set out to achieve with tax payers money?
Would Labour do any better?
Its not a question of whether or not they could do better, its a question of whether or not they could do any worse?
12 years of division, the shift of wealth to the privileged and powerful, from the exchequer and from the public purse to the 'companies' owned by party contributors and associates, the incremental deterioration of public institutions and services, the movement towards increasingly cynical corporatism, the impoverishment of working people, the mismanagement of the economy, mismanagement of our borders, of our police, of the NHS, of our transport infrastructure, the increasing division of wealth between North and South, the disrespect for Parliament, democracy, ethical standards, the cronyism, the disregard for institutional safeguards, the creeping restrictions on freedom of speech, the unethical double standards, the criminalising of collective bargaining and industrial dispute, the underfunding of the NHS, the neglect of care homes, ignoring the crisis in the ambulance service, GPs' surgeries, waiting lists, staffing levels, the selling off profitable parts of the health service, the postal service, the railways. The housing crisis, the food crisis, the heat or eat crisis, the increasingly shocking lack of regulation of corporate profits, executive bonuses and share dividends taken from the public purse, the mismanagement of our water, of our gas or our electricity, the inability to fulfil promises such as 'levelling up', 'building back better', 'oven ready' Brexit deals, the green levy, the empty sloganeering, the cynical distortion of data, facts and statistics, the lies!
Is there anything that is better now than it was fourteen years ago? If you can think of anything, please comment below, I need a laugh!
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Mainstream media react to the public unrest...thank goodness for the few voices who see throught the progressive narrative.
What a surprise, the liberal metropolitan elites want to advocate for protecting the religion of peace and the rubber boat enrichment boys by clamping down with 'the full force of the law' on the protestors. Of course they do, because in the minds of the middle class, liberal, ultra-woke broadcasters ‘diversity is our strength’. Even when it results in three small girls being brutally murdered.
They’re not actually too bothered about the three little girls in Southport though, or the people forced to endure the riots in Leeds last week, or the British Jews intimidated and threatened by the pro Hamas marches every weekend. They won’t mention the British soldier stabbed fifty times on his own doorstep last week, or David Ames, or Lee Rigby. They won’t refer to the 20 dead at the Manchester Arena bombing, or the 52 killed by the Central London bombing in 2005, or the five killed in the Westminster attacks in 2017, or the two victims of the London Bridge stabbings in 2017 and then the other two killed in the same place in 2019.
They won’t remember the five victims of the Russell Square stabbings, or the 3 killed in the Reading stabbings in 2020, or the three victims of the Nottingham stabbings a few months ago. They won’t have seen the CCTV footage of the postman being pushed under a tube train two days ago. They won’t be mentioning the Londoners terrorised by the actions of Abdul Azidi a few months ago, or the three British police officers attacked at Manchester airport.
They certainly won’t want to refer to the hundreds English girls raped and abused by the grooming gangs that existed with impunity in so many British towns and cities. Nor will they want to refer to the various British working class communities swamped by asylum seekers. Perhaps they are not aware of the imported conflicts that enforced mass immigration brings with it; like the rioting Bengalis in Whitechapel, or the rioting Eritreans in Camberwell, or Green Party candidate Mothin Ali declaring that his local election victory in Leeds was in fact a victory for Gaza.
Perhaps they don’t know about the mob outside the Manchester police station threatening violence against the whole country unless the men who attacked the airport police were allowed to go free. They probably won’t mention the machete wielding thugs in Southend and at The Notting Hill Carnival either.
No, the media are just worried about the 'far right' and that is why they were not concerned about the blatant two tier policing such as that occurring in Whitehall only three days ago. The Far Right...whoever they may be...with their 'nefarious intentions'. They don’t see these people involved in the disorder as ordinary British subjects. They can not bring themselves to consider that they are angrily protesting because they have been denied a voice, denied by precisely those people who broadcast in the mainstream media. Denied a hearing because they don't share the liberal globalist values of the metropolitan university educated elites.
The media don’t care if English people want their children, their sisters and wives to be safe from outsiders because they feel it is their responsibility to represent the poor victimised outsiders. They have no sympathy for people who want their own country to represent and protect them and not the millions of uninvited visitors. They certainly don’t care if British people feel threatened by the hostile and pervasive presence of a woke ideology that hates them and seeks to undermine them at every turn, because that is precisely what these commentators are there to do, every day. If English people no longer recognise or feel safe on their own streets and in their own communities that’s just too bad. They are simply the wrong community of people.
No, the media would rather instantly close down any discussion and disregard these concerns as ‘right wing talking points’, as ‘racist’, as fascist. They see those who hold these concerns as without virtue and therefore not deserving of a voice or a hearing. They’re quite happy to dismiss these people as supporters of the EDL, a Nationalist Group that doesn’t even exist and hasn’t for over a decade. Most importantly they are happy to ignore the long list of outrages that have led us all to this point.
So let the Muslims complain about how unsafe white working class people make them feel when they call them nasty names. Because, after all, words are hurtful and much more dangerous than the actual physical violence that UK citizens are now faced with on a daily basis from the malevolent presence of Islamists in their midst.
So let’s get the Muslim London Mayor to spend more money on protecting mosques and helping Muslims spread their religion of peace. Let him bring in and house some more undocumented young men from troubled Islamic countries and let’s not worry if they throw chemicals, molest and predate on British women. Let's help Islamic hate preachers like Anjem Choudary spread their message with impunity in mosques in British towns and on the internet. Let's give more money to shadowy Islamic groups that support Hamas, with our police officers taking the knee and assisting the protestors while they deface British historic figures and monuments. Let’s undermine and devalue the indigenous culture, language and history. Let's deconstruct the UK's Christian legacy by flying Pakistani flags from Westminster Cathedral, by projecting Palestinian flags on the Houses of Parliament and by having call to prayer in our Town Halls. Let's celebrate Ramadan not Easter and bully English people who do not observe the fast.
And if the police use batons, riot shields against English people, kettling them, dragging them out and arresting them on trumped up charges, don’t worry about it. They don’t count. It is the ‘victimized’ Muslim communities who Two Tier Keir thinks should come first, after all, most of them still vote Labour. The white working class don’t. They know the Labour Party, just like the mainstream media, hates them.
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@КурочкаКрашена Thanks fornthe reply. To tell the truth i thought, judging by your name, you were probably a Russian bot. Glad you're not.
I think we agree right up to the point where you mention the wrecking ball analogy. I personally think it has been the progressive left that have been taking a wrecking ball to our national institutions: universities, the civil service, our local and central government, the police, the legal profession, our popular culture, our understanding of our own history, our national identity and it's heroes, our mainstream media etc for a couple of decades.
I think Trump's second term (and to a much lesser extent the rise of Farage and Reform UK) are a nationalist, populist revolt against that.
I agree they both present significant concerns, especially the apparent lack of checks and balances on Trump, but I think the damage has already been done to both nations by what Orwell called 'the shallow left'. (I said all this is an earlier comment).
It remains to be seen what Farage is capable of actually achieving, beyond just shouting loudly about Thatcherite economics and populist talking points (I have a low opinion of him too) but I think he will turn out to be much less effective than his supporters hope, the British establishment will see to that.
Glad we were able to have a civilised exchange of opinions.
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@КурочкаКрашена Thanks for the reply. I agreed with you right up until the wrecking ball analogy. In my opinion it has been the pogressive left that has taken a wrecking ball to our institutions; our universities, local councils, the civil service, the media, the legal profession, the police, the NHS, the Arts etc etc.
I think Trump (and to a much lesser extent Farage and Reform UK) represents an inevitable nationalist, populist reaction to all that progressive, neo-Marxist, identitarian, gender ideology, non-hetronormative, DEI stuff. I agree Trump is a concern as there seem to be fewer checks and balances to hinder him this time round.
As for Farage, apart from shoutimg loudly about Thatcherite economics and populist talking points, I wonder how effective he will end up being in actually bringing about any real changes. I suspect that the British establishment will ensure he is not too successful in that respect and the public will be split about how much change they actually want to bring about.
Anyway, thanks for the reply, it is nice to have a civilized exchange of opinions with someone who is not Russian bot...
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Thanks for the reply. I agreed with you right up until the wrecking ball analogy. In my opinion it has been the pogressive left that has taken a wrecking ball to our institutions; our universities, local councils, the civil service, the media, the legal profession, the police, the NHS, the Arts etc etc.
I think Trump (and to a much lesser extent Farage and Reform UK) represents an inevitable nationalist, populist reaction to all that progressive, neo-Marxist, identitarian, gender ideology, non-hetronormative, DEI stuff. I agree Trump is a concern as there seem to be fewer checks and balances to hinder him this time round.
As for Farage, apart from shoutimg loudly about Thatcherite economics and populist talking points, I wonder how effective he will end up being in actually bringing about any real changes. I suspect that the British establishment will ensure he is not too successful in that respect and the public will be split about how much change they actually want to bring about.
Anyway, thanks for the reply, it is nice to have a civilized exchange of opinions with someone who is not Russian bot...
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@КурочкаКрашена Thanks for the reply. I agreed with you right up until the wrecking ball analogy.
In my opinion it has been the 'pogressive left' that has taken a wrecking ball to our institutions; our universities, local councils, the civil service, the media, the legal profession, the police, the NHS, the Arts etc etc.
I think Trump (and to a much lesser extent Farage and Reform UK) represents an inevitable nationalist, populist reaction to all that progressive, neo-Marxist, identitarian, gender ideology, non-hetronormative, DEI stuff. I agree Trump is a concern as there seem to be fewer checks and balances to hinder him this time round.
As for Farage, apart from shoutimg loudly about Thatcherite economics and populist talking points, I wonder how effective he will end up being in actually bringing about any real changes. I suspect that the British establishment will ensure he is not too successful in that respect and the public will be split about how much change they actually want him to bring about. I suspect he is a deeply flawed narcissistic egotist and would be much more autocratic than Starmer and just as problematic as Boris Johnson was.
Anyway, thanks for the reply, it is nice to have a civilized exchange of opinions with someone who is not Russian bot...
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@КурочкаКрашена I agreed with you right up until the wrecking ball analogy.
In my opinion it has been the 'pogressive left' that has taken a wrecking ball to our institutions; our universities, local councils, the civil service, the media, the legal profession, the police, the NHS, the Arts etc etc.
I think Trump (and to a much lesser extent Farage and Reform UK) represents an inevitable nationalist, populist reaction to all that progressive, neo-Marxist, identitarian, gender ideology, non-hetronormative, DEI stuff.
I agree Trump is a concern as there seem to be fewer checks and balances to hinder him this time round.
As for Farage, apart from shouting loudly about a return to Thatcherite economics (disasterous) and populist talking points, I wonder how effective he will end up being in actually bringing about any real changes. I expect the British establishment will ensure he is not too successful in that respect and the public will be split about how much change they actually want him to bring about. I suspect he is a deeply flawed narcissistic egotist and would be much more autocratic than Starmer and just as problematic as Boris Johnson was.
Anyway, thanks for the reply, it is nice to have a civilized exchange of opinions with someone who is not Russian bot...
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@КурочкаКрашена I agreed with you right up until the wrecking ball analogy.
In my opinion it has been the 'progressive left' that has been taking a wrecking ball to our institutions; our universities, local councils, the civil service, the media, the legal profession, the police, the NHS, the Arts etc for decades.
I think Trump (and to a much lesser extent Farage and Reform UK) represents an inevitable nationalist, populist reaction to all that progressive, neo-Marxist, identitarian, non-hetronormative, gender ideology, DEI stuff.
I agree Trump is a concern as there seem to be fewer checks and balances to hinder him this time round.
As for Farage, apart from shouting loudly about a return to Thatcherite economics (disasterous) and populist talking points, I wonder how effective he will end up being in actually bringing about any real changes. I expect the British establishment will ensure he is not too successful in that respect and the British public will probably be split about how much change they actually want him to bring about.
I suspect he is a deeply flawed, narcissistic egotist and would be much more autocratic than Starmer and just as problematic as Boris Johnson was. What a joyous propect!
Anyway, thanks for the reply, it is nice to have a civilized exchange of opinions with someone who is not Russian bot...
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@КурочкаКрашена I agreed with you right up until the wrecking ball analogy.
In my opinion it has been the 'progressive left' that has been taking a wrecking ball to our institutions; our universities, local councils, the civil service, the media, the legal profession, the police, the NHS, the Arts etc for decades.
I think Trump (and to a much lesser extent Farage and Reform UK) represents an inevitable nationalist, populist reaction to all that progressive, neo-Marxist, identitarian, non-hetronormative, gender ideology, DEI stuff.
I agree Trump is a concern as there seem to be fewer checks and balances to hinder him this time round.
As for Farage, apart from shouting loudly about a return to Thatcherite economics (disasterous) and populist talking points, I wonder how effective he will end up being in actually bringing about any real changes. I expect the British establishment will ensure he is not too successful in that respect and the British public will probably be split about how much change they actually want him to bring about.
I suspect he is a deeply flawed, narcissistic egotist and would be much more autocratic than Starmer and just as problematic as Boris Johnson was. What a joyous propect!
Anyway, thanks for the reply, it is nice to have a civilized exchange of opinions with someone who is not Russian bot...
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@КурочкаКрашена I agreed with you right up to the wrecking ball anqlogy.
In my opinion it has been the 'progressive left' that has been taking a wrecking ball to our institutions; our universities, local councils, the civil service, the media, the legal profession, the police, the NHS, the Arts etc for decades.
I think Trump (and to a much lesser extent Farage and Reform UK) represents an inevitable nationalist, populist reaction to all that progressive, neo-Marxist, identitarian, non-hetronormative, gender ideology, DEI stuff.
I agree Trump is a concern as there seem to be fewer checks and balances to hinder him this time round.
As for Farage, apart from shouting loudly about a return to Thatcherite economics (disasterous) and populist talking points, I wonder how effective he will end up being in actually bringing about any real changes. I expect the British establishment will ensure he is not too successful in that respect and the British public will probably be split about how much change they actually want him to bring about.
I suspect he is a deeply flawed, narcissistic egotist and would be much more autocratic than Starmer and just as problematic as Boris Johnson was. What a joyous propect!
Anyway, thanks for the reply, it is nice to have a civilized exchange of opinions with someone who is not Russian bot...
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@КурочкаКрашена I agreed with you right up until the wrecking ball analogy.
In my opinion it has been the 'progressive left' that has been taking a wrecking ball to our institutions; our universities, local councils, the civil service, the media, the legal profession, the police, the NHS, the Arts etc for decades.
I think Trump (and to a much lesser extent Farage and Reform UK) represents an inevitable nationalist, populist reaction to all that progressive, neo-Marxist, identitarian, non-hetronormative, gender ideology, DEI stuff.
I agree Trump is a concern as there seem to be fewer checks and balances to hinder him this time round.
As for Farage, apart from shouting loudly about a return to Thatcherite economics (disasterous) and populist talking points, I wonder how effective he will end up being in actually bringing about any real changes. I expect the British establishment will ensure he is not too successful in that respect and the British public will probably be split about how much change they actually want him to bring about.
I suspect he is a deeply flawed, narcissistic egotist and would be much more autocratic than Starmer and just as problematic as Boris Johnson was. What a joyous propect!
Anyway, thanks for the reply, it is nice to have a civilized exchange of opinions with someone who is not Russian bot...
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@КурочкаКрашена I agreed with you right up until the wrecking ball analogy.
In my opinion it has been the 'progressive left' that has been taking a wrecking ball to our institutions; our universities, local councils, the civil service, the media, the legal profession, the police, the NHS, the Arts etc for decades.
I think Trump (and to a much lesser extent Farage and Reform UK) represents an inevitable nationalist, populist reaction to all that progressive, neo-Marxist, identitarian, non-hetronormative, gender ideology, DEI stuff.
I agree Trump is a concern as there seem to be fewer checks and balances to hinder him this time round.
As for Farage, apart from shouting loudly about a return to Thatcherite economics (disasterous) and populist talking points, I wonder how effective he will end up being in actually bringing about any real changes. I expect the British establishment will ensure he is not too successful in that respect and the British public will probably be split about how much change they actually want him to bring about.
I suspect he is a deeply flawed, narcissistic egotist and would be much more autocratic than Starmer and just as problematic as Boris Johnson was. What a joyous propect!
Anyway, thanks for the reply, it is nice to have a civilized exchange of opinions with someone who is not Russian bot...
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If Satan did exist he'd be pretty dissppointed in the callibre of converts he is attracting nowadays. He'd probably think they were a bunch of twats like everyone else does, complaining to his minions, "Is this the best we can do? I was hoping for the heads of state and the monarchs!".
To which his chief minion would reply, "Don't worry Boss, we've had that lot for decades!"
Seriously though,
If you are 'queer' (whatever that means) and you have rejected Christian values, you're hardly likely to adopt Islam, so Satanism (whatever that is) is the most logical alternative belief system ( if indeed it is anything more than a fashion statement). Possibly, in the 'Eurovision zone' (unlike in the UK) there is still a significant conservative Christian lobby that they think they are 'pushing back' against?
The Church of England, on the other hand, pretty much condones the 'queer' sexual content and would happily tolerate the messaging, after all 'diversity is our strength' and, in the intersectional pyramid of oppression, you can never be 'too queer', can you? The Satanic imagery isn't problematic to today's Christian Church either, no more than Hallowe'en anyway. As for Madonna, well she's always been a bit of a slag hasn't she? That's nothing new.
To my jaded eyes it hardly even seems rebellious nowadays, after all, it's only music, sexual deviancy, costumes, make-up and hairspray isn't it? Elton John has been doing that for as long as I can remember and he's pretty much a national treasure! In fact he's probably their spiritual leader? Him or Freddy Mercury?
Rest assured, tomorrow's rebels will be rejecting all this as nothing more than meaningless, self indulgent, narcissisism and probably want to adopt a more meaningful, puritan style of moral and social conservativism?
Their songs will still be crap though.
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I think the conservatives have understood this for a while, if you want to be critical of mass immigration, multi culturalism, illegal migration etc it is best if a non-white person expresses it. Patel, Braveman, Sunak, Cleverly, Zahawi, Quarteng etc etc. But, as Carl points out, the real question is do they or could they have dual loyalties?
Meanwhile the racial minorities on the left definitely seem to have ulterior motives, using their ethnicity to defend Islamism, demand reparations and undermine the nation's language, history and institutions. Is it racist to oppose them?
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12 years of Tory government has brought us to our knees. We are now expected to silently stand by while a minute number of rich, middle aged, white men select another Thatcher wannabe to over-see our continued chaotic economic decline and facilitate the movement of public funds to private pockets.
We need an opposition who will robustly support underpaid, under valued, over worked public sector workers in their struggle for pay, conditions and job security. We need an opposition prepared to demand windfall taxes, a rise in corporation tax, to cap petrol and power prices, stop unfair profits and dividends being syphoned off into senior executive bonuses and share holders' pockets. We need High Street prices capped, wages that at least match inflation, stop the selling off of NHS services, cap rents, close tax loop holes. To overtly state that their intention is to redistribute the wealth of this nation from the already wealthy to the increasingly vunerable.
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I agree that this COVID vaccination/5G stuff is nonsense and of course we can be tracked and monitored by our phones, big tech companies do it all the time. But if we are indeed being so thoroughly surveiled by 'the state' or the police, why are so few street crimes, burglaries and public disorder offences successfully prosecuted in the courts? Usually CCTV evidence is not sufficiently clear to be used as evidence and even face recognition is notoriously flawed. Number plate recognition software is a very effective tool for the police and mobile telephone records. But, I think you are missing the more worrying point here, it is private 'big tech' corporations that hold all the data on individuals. The state may request it if it becomes necessary, but companies such as Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Google are compiling information about t your actions, your preferences, your purchases continually. 'The State' is way too inefficient to make use of this kind of meta data, let's face it. Commercial corporations, on the other hand, have a financial imperative to collect and analyse this kind of personal data as market research and market penetration.
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The actual problem:
1. Islamist sectarian violence going back to 2005, the emergence of 'political Islam'.
2. Enforced mass immigration since Tony Blair's era, but particularly over the last three years, despite electoral manifesto promises to reduce or limit numbers by both major parties.
3. Tens of thousands of Illegal migrants being housed and fed at tax payers' expense during a cost of living crisis.
4. Blatant two tier policing.
5. Woke institutions undermining British culture, history, language and free speech, in favour of foreign born minority communities.
6. Mainstream media constantly demonising and mischaracterising the English working classes and those who speak for them.
7. The PM, Home Secretary, police etc de facto and stated bias in favour of Islamic communities and other minority groups.
8. Knife crime, grooming gangs, acid attacks and sexual violence on the streets of English towns.
9. Huge religious/ethnic ghettos and increasing lack of trust in national institutions creating societal breakdown
10. Pro Gaza marches and all the associated civil disobedience.
11. The housing crisis and cost of living crisis.
Finally and most significantly: three innocent little English girls brutally and senselessly murdered by a second generation immigrant.
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This week (July 2020) we are expecting a heat wave in the UK that will break records for the highest ever temperature since records began. That's not fake news, in fact even the useless Tory government, desperate to drop green levvies and zero carbon emmission targets, are preparing to declare climate emergency measures.
So does this disruption of the European farmers' production methods and their use of arable land represent real steps to address climate change? If it does, then of course will disrupt economies, of course it will limit production, of course it will lower living standards and social expectations of people linked to these production practises, of course it will change how people exploit the land, the water supply and the use of animals, of course it will change what people eat, what they wear and what materials they use in buildings, cars and products.
What else do people expect?
To adequately address climate change the developed economies of the world (such as the EU, the US, China, India and Russia) will have to make huge sacrifices. That's the whole problem. People like Sky Australia promoting the narrative that none of these changes are warranted are simply wrong. Surely they can see the dramatic changes to their own climate in Australia? Or that of their neighbours? Rising temperature, rising sea levels, rising levels of greenhouse gases? its not a global conspiracy, its not a secret agenda, its not heing debated because it is a global scientific consensus. Things are necessarily going to change and not for the better. We will all have our lives disrupted. This is just the start.
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Brexit was supposedly about sovererignty; economic and political independence. Turns out it hasn't delivered on either: the UK is still unable to make laws that the public want, there is still too much regulation, rising national debt, no growth, stagnant wages, record net immigration, shrinking birth rate, collapsing public services, institutional collapse and endless strikes.
It would be very ironic if, because of all these Brexit failures, the UK public eventually chose to give up sovereignty and independence to become a US vassal state.
If the next Labour government fails it may become the next logical step?
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