Comments by "AtomicBabel" (@AtomicBabel) on "Drachinifel" channel.

  1. His Majesty's Ship Cat, Blacky Last known position, Singapore Overdue, still on patrol
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  2. "Actively made sure that all his academy mates graduate" and then demonstrated a 100% success rate. The man has my eternal admiration from that point alone!
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  3. Type 96 25mm AA. Why they were so terrible? Drydock 18 Why IJN kept using them? Drydock 55 This has been a public service message 🤓
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  4. After the action, Vice Admiral Whitworth wrote of the Swordfish floatplane, "The reports made by Warspite's aircraft were invaluable. I doubt if ever a shipborne aircraft has been used to such good purpose as it was in this operation." War Planes of the Second World War, Vol 6 Floatplanes. William Green 1962
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  5. Last time I was this early, an island landed on a flight deck.
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  6.  @pdogone1  on eternal patrol
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  7. Drack! I had sent you an actual picture of the unexploded shell still stuck in the Kearsage's rudder! It's at the USN museum in DC.
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  8. The Omaha Class has always perplexed with their gun arrangement, turrets and castmates on top of castmates. And then that rear turret that it's so far aft and with little freeboard. Drach, when you do the guide on this ship, find me! I have access to a 1/48 scale - yes 1/48 scale Richmond.
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  9. It is very tragic. In a few moments, the ship will explode, the deck elevator will be blown apart and the hangar will turn into a raging infernal. Many, too many of these men will slide down the flight deck and fall into the gaping jaws of that elevator and into the fire. That photp is erie and haunting.
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  10. VJ Day 15 Aug 1945 75 years ago today Please take a moment to remember.
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  11. Could you imagine if USN keep the Midway and Coral Sea names on a pair of CVEs? That's was the original plan for the 2 named, on CVEs.
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  12. Spoiler alert
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  13. Cows, dogs and bug juice machines, gotta love them. Thank you for standing the watch!
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  14.  @Stellar001100  cats are not binded by any regulations (nor anything really) of humankind 🐱. Cheers
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  15. Plus, the distinct sound of binoculars hitting the water
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  16. Drach, your fans in the US will always be ready and eager to welcome you, whenever and always.
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  17.  @giovannicorbarigasparini5352  picture chocolate ice cream dispensing into a bowl. 🐕
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  18. For a moment there, I thought that Drach was describing the design, construction and post delivery of recent USN new ship classes.
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  19. Memory is not precise. Do remember Dick Best"s picture in 1982 Smithsonian Air & Space, commenting on his lung injury from his oxygen system and medically out from flying after Midway. "I quit at the top!"
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  20. Plus HMS Illegitimate & Irreverent. A sub class that will be canceled
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  21. I remember reading an account in which the rotten meat was thrown overboard while the ships were in harbor. The tide came back in and carried the putrid jetsam all around every ship in the fleet.
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  22. By the end of the war a bunch of them were physically attached to USN and RN warships.
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  23. Yukikaze of the Kagero class did survive the war and was operated by the Republic of China Navy for a number of years and then scrapped. Her anchor is displayed at the Japanase Maritime Self Defense Force Academy at Etijima (please excuse the spelling).
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  24. I worked for a USN 2 star who used to play guitar with his band at holiday parties. He's a 3 star now.
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  25. She had a lot of experience doing that since it was the 3rd time yes the 3rd time that she lost her bow during the war. Yes seriously she did
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  26. My personal story about a different USS New York. I grew up in NYC with the Twin Towers as a backdrop to every single day in my younger life. The use of steel from the Towers in the hull of LPD-21, USS New York is therefore extremely significant to me. Alas, I was not there for her commissioning. However, that immediate Monday my flight into NYC was delayed 1 hr. When my flight finally descended below the clouds, we were over Coney Island Beach and Amusement Park. From this bird's eye view, there she was! USS New York! steaming towards the opening in the breakers. The 2 escorting chase boats turned away, and she crossed the harbor entrance. Proud, alone and underway for the open ocean as a Commissioned Combatant of the US Navy for the first time, USS New York! This will always be the greatest moment for me with ANY ship.
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  27. Martians to the right of them, Martians to the left of them, Martians to the front of them Onwards charged the Thunderchild! Oops , wrong story🤓
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  28. This brought back memories of an old "Shoe" comic strip, yellowed from time and forever posted for all our engineers and support people to see. Santa with his reindeers and sleigh feeling the warmth from the rising steam off the bow catapults as he prepares to depart after leaving presents for the crew of a CV in deployment somewhere far from home. Merry Christmas, peace on earth, good will to all!
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  29. When the order was given on Seydlitz, the entire crew roared out with a cheer.
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  30. Jolly good, jolly jolly good
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  31. Ha! Just wait until the next round. Hint: "night of the long lances" Spoiler Night of every cruiser on fire and/ or sinking
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  32.  @sarjim4381  thank you, I could almost understand the triples, but the single mounts always drove me raving mad. When they were flying around with a variation of the 20mm & 60 round drums, yet a single 25mm in free mounts. End rant. Thanks again!
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  33. U-haul rental trucks have the Hubakku as the "interesting fact" for Alberta 🤓
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  34. 6 hours of Drach!!! A terrific way to top this off is with fireworks! Happy Independence Day!
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  35. The guy had a 1 v 3 sniper shootout and won, that's plenty of bad yashery.
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  36. Is it pronounced very differently for the regent in the Swiss Alps? Thank you, this is an amazing episode
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  37. Yes! Friendly Sea mines. We miss you so dearly
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  38. Quiz: "I don't know about this logistic thing that _1_ keeps talking about, but I want some" _2_ Hint, US flag officers WW2
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  39.  @deeznoots6241  by USA law, the USN shall have 11 in-service carriers. Currently 68 thru 78. 68 Nimitz will decommission in a few years (after 50 yrs of service), and 79 Kennedy will Commission in about 2 years to replace 68. Then 80 for 69 ... etc.
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  40. In Brooklyn, the French sub captain that fired at the USN at Casablanca told the officers of his targeted ship (USS Brooklyn), that he would do it again.
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  41. Diego Garcia was a lonely place
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  42. That would also be an awesome collab!
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  43. You folks do realise that Goto's last words on Aoba's bridge translates to "fools, fools, fools"
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  44. Dare it be asked, if HMS Manxman had a ship's cat? Name and breed?
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  45. And the radio station crew greeted the raiding party with a congratulations for said Iron Cross. An honor which no one on Emden knew about.
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  46. Overdue, still on patrol.
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  47. I've seen deadloads plunge into the Delaware from the deck of Forestall, dolphins glisten the rays of the morning sun on the wake of Nimitz off La Hoya, walked from below the keel to above Fly 1 on Bush in a single day, felt the collective heart beat of many thousands as Champaign anointed the Ford, witness the island suspended above the flight deck on Kennedy. When I leave, all these moments will be lost forever like tears in rain.
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  48. Mr. M. Kaufman, WW2 USN submarine veteran, world traveler, a wonderful person and the best middle school social studies teacher in the world.
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  49.  @Snowstrider0001  chrome a submarine and named it Steely Dan. W.S.Burroughs reference. 🙂
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  50. Re: AA fratricide, men in desperate situations may easily fixate on a target and not notice friendly ships in the arch of fire. 40mm Bofors shells are "Self Destroying" (SD), the tracer base burns into the explosive filler and detonates the round. The "timing" is not adjustable, it is "set" as a requirement and implemented during manufacture. This results in some protection to other ships in the formation, from getting hit with a live shell.
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  51. Why am I up this early? Rum and w Dr Clarke? Awesome!
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  52. The "Profile, Warship" series of booklets, number 14. Not a book, more like an extended 5 min guide with it's pictures and a centerfold.
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  53. Japanese Submarines, when HOLLYWOOD, HOLLYWOOD, HOLLYWOOOOOD!!!!!
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  54. Oh, just wait, the design fun for the Midway just doesn't stop. When you add blisters to improve stability and have it backfire on you. There is a small group of men who gets to wear the patch for the mighty roll she took and almost did not come back.
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  55.  @giovannicorbarigasparini5352  the ice cream machine.
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  56. The last time I was this early, everyone wore their pockets full of posies and not face coverings (barbers excluded).
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  57. So which design elements of the H-1 were original Howard Hughes ideas that were "stolen" by the A6M design team? To qualify "original", that it was not thought of or built into another military or civilian (commercial or racing) aircraft that was not by Hughes. Yes, there are some design elements that look similar. There are elements on the H1 that are exhibited in other racing planes of the 30's and then even on the F4U. Point is that talented designers often barrowed from each other or come up with similar solutions independently. To say that your competition stole from you is an easy declaration to cheapen their efforts and elevate your own. Popular "history" and current events is full of these myths. It's about time that these myths are busted with facts.
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  58. Greg, "some of you may be wondering about the individual exhaust stacks on the A6M5 model 32 with the Sakae-21..." Also, the points made about the exhaust smoke when on WEP and that about the negative G carburetor valving were very "Greg". Would be interesting if he is reading this thread.
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  59. A ret USN officer once told a sea story that he was greeted aboard a CCCP Battlecruser (Kiev???) for one of those goodwill visits. He noticed that everything had a fresh coat of paint on top of many layers of paint, including the training gears and grease fittings on the torpedo tubes.
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  60. A literal Kamikaze
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  61.  @sarjim4381  and other fans, the link to the I-19 5 min guide https://youtu.be/buRQY_qCrXU
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  62. Kurita had 2 ships sunk from under him during the battles of Leyte Gulf and many believe that this had an effect on his decision to withdraw from Samar
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  63. A ship with land attack / bombardment capability is different from a battleship which was to rule the waves. The Zumwald were supposed to have some of that land attack capability and then ... got massively. expensive.
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  64.  @stonks6616  additional, it not only favors a turn to port, it induces a strong reactive turn to port. For a very informative discussion on P Factor, search for the channel Greg's airplanes and automobiles, episode on P-47 part 5 starting at the 23 min mark.
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  65.  @cvproj  could be much worst. You could have added: Name of theme for both 5min and drydock Reason for debris in the opening Iowa vs Yamato vs Bismarck vs ... what if Every Samar what if Every IJN 25mm lament Every Kamchatka fail Alternative Admiral what if Where are all the mine voices ... etc 😁
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  66. Greeted at an Honor Flight arrival in DC several years ago. A veteran with an O'Bannon cap on came thru, He was in a wheel chair and missing an eye (maybe a missing limb too). Alas, my brain did not connect quickly enough to let him know that some do want to remember.
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  67. Last time I was this early, there were not enough names for this class
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  68. Here we go again! 25mm type 96 AA Why they sOck = drydock 18 Why they persisted = drydock 55 This has been a public service message 🤓
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  69.  @bigblue6917  that belongs on a shirt, a flag AND Monty Python
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  70.  @CosmicFugue83  but then we wo n't get to watch Ripley prepare for cyro sleep.....
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  71. Do I wish it was that easy? They may let you buy them, but the budget...oh the never enough budget.
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  72. A moment for remembering the human tragidity that came to an end 75 years ago this month.
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  73. 65 looks so sad sitting at NNS/HII. If ship could talk, she would have been mentoring 78 and now 79 outfitting on the next pier. I just hope that she remains there for a little longer so that she can pass the torch to CVN 80.
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  74. When even the streets were on fire.
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  75.  @Kevin_Kennelly  and red uniforms!
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  76.  @stonks6616  The technical reason is something known as propeller "P Factor". Simply, due to the different apparent air speed on any part of a propeller's rotation when the airplane is at a high angles of attack (nose up for landing) application of power favours a left turn for most aircraft. The reverse is true if the prop turns the opposite way, but most aircraft pulls to port. There are human factors, but I'm people blind.
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  77. That 18inch 45 is still sitting like that. At the gun range, Naval Surface Warfare Center, Dahlgren, Virginia.
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  78. In all honesty, if the sinking occurred a month earlier, it would be recorded as another "typical" wartime loss. The press would talk about the heroism of the men, the rescuers and the sacrifices of the families for the ultimate victory. No tribunals, at worst an inquiry and even a few medals to go around. That this news broke after the world started to celebrate the end of hostilities was a shocking blow in the US. Just, imagine the joy one moment that your son is no longer in harm's way and then to receive the news that he is already dead and died tragically. To the bereaved, it transcends a war loss and can easily turn into blame for an institution and a person's actions. The USN caved and offered McVey's head, far far far from a moment in the "finest tradition" of the service.
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  79.  @trinalgalaxy5943  yes, she's been picked thru and prepped for disposal. It's sad the state she's in. We'll have a new Enterprise in eight years and perhaps in 6 years time, we'll see the new and old share neighboring piers. But perhaps not.
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  80. Tang, some felt really depressed and returned home for a hug.
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  81. Check out the monitor Cheyenne ... wink
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  82. USS Princeton perhaps? (1) Civil War era experimental gun explosion (2) CVL-23 magazine explosion (3) CG-59 Mining
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  83. Same for RN X craft Takao
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  84.  @bigblue6917  to Jack Ryan, " I read your book, your conclusions are all wrong. Halsey acted stupidly". You really can't argue with Sean Connery.
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  85. Me: more 40K from Drach ! Me with glasses: 🤓
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  86. The shall remain un-named guy in charge placed his flag on San Fran which he commanded in the past and the crew was very fond of him. Unfortunately, he was more of a staff officer than a tactical combat commander. Scott (on Atlanta) was experienced, CAPT Gil Hoover of Helena knew how to exploit radar, but un-named came out of a desk job, was in-experienced with new technology, commanding a task force in combat yet he was the senior officer. IMO, Scott would have done better (after learning from experience) and Hoover would have mopped the slot that night.
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  87. Thank you Mrs Drach for reprising the friendly mine voice.
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  88. Text to voice: "Casa-mate" for casemate always made me smile
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  89. So everytime Marinette (Wisc.) delivers an LCS or FFGX, Canada, UK and USA can go to war? 🤓
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  90. ​@fred1451 none a dust pan for DC, not something that comes up at first thought. Come to ponder on it, did the dust pan need to be certified?😂
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  91. Never short change a squad of RN destroyers, or they will make sure you regret it. Haguro
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  92. For the IJN ship that took the most beating and was afloat and fighting at the end of the war. That honor goes to Suzutsuki. 1st she took 2 USN torpedoes (both exploded) losing her bow and stern. Got repaired and then took another sub torpedo, losing her bow again. Got repaired and sortied w Yamato at Ten Go, again losing her bow, but this time to probably the most concentrated air attack ever unleashed on any fleet. Made it back to port and continued fighting as a stationary platform thru the end of the war. All that for a wartime destroyer!
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  93. As an engineer and designer of warships, I agreed.
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  94. Totally agree with Adam B. There was a lot of blood and desperation since 39 and for many 37. IMHO, the generally told & known story of WW2 in the US is bracketed by Pearl Harbor and the atom bomb. More and more it's just the atom bomb.
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  95. FFG 58 Samuel B. Roberts, mining.
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  96. Best Midway "movie" is the TV miniseries "War & Remembrance". The making of the miniseries employed more airplanes than the 1976 movie.
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  97. Time to give the rack another turn
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  98. It's been a long time since my middle school English class book report on the story of this ship. By the time the the sinking and loss of life were reaching the news, the war was supposed to be over with the dropping of the 2 atomic bombs and VJ day. It was a shock to all that were celebrating that the killing was at at end and loved ones were coming home.
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  99. Saving this to savour at the end of a beautiful spring - summer day.
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  100. The Great Waldo Pepper 70's movie with amazing flying scenes, the final scene has a Fokker tri-plane melee dueling a Sopwith Camel.
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  101. A short "sea" story: Back during the 00's, I was on TDY and got into a bar side conversation with the CO and SWO of the USS The Sullivans (DDG 51 Class). The CO, expressed his strong opinion on the USN (recent at the time) naming a DDG after Halsey. To him, this was inappropriate due to the decisions Halsey made that resulted in the loss of DDs and crews to Typhoon Cobra. He believed that Halsey made some bad calls and unnecessarily put the fleet and insensitively put the DDs and crews at risk. His opinion was that Halsey treated the DDs and men as disposable and that that was inexcusable. That was one opinion and your mileage may be different.
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  102. Can never get over Side by side funnels on warships.
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  103. Any insight on whether it's true or false, that the IJN accurately tried to tow the Hornet away as a prize? Was it just another sea story that got perpetuated because it sounded good?
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  104. Cutting thru the side to get equipment of all sorts out or in happens with surprising regularity during an extended availability (yard period).
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  105. The torpedo boat drinking challenge takes on a whole new different direction
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  106. That's an idea! 100% sponsorship for a new CVN for just $12B. (Minus airplanes, they are optional equipment)
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  107. Link for US Bofors production: https://youtu.be/yVeLsJtId_g
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  108.  @barryjones8842  yes " Cowpens", and yes I know how the battle got its name. Still, sailors from a Flower Class Corvette bearing the name HMS Buttercup, Snowflake or Wallflower may find some comfort knowing that there is a ship named Cowpens.
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  109. Suzutzuki, loss 3 bows & 1 stern
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  110.  @roscoewhite3793  re Seyditz - plus Dogger Bank and a mining which was repaired just in time for Jutland
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  111.  @davidb6576  thank you for the details. It's been a while since i worked with men who earned that patch.
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  112.  @agesteiro7326  yeah Samar was crazy. If I remember right, Samuel B Roberts did dig down to the Starshells (some DD or DE did if not SBR). And no kidding, cans of tomatoes were thrown, but by the Japanese. Potatoes and swords were another action.
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  113. Poor Fulmar, another one of the dumpy Fairley sisters. But then comes the OMG gorgeous Firefly!
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  114. Raid on Iron Coast (1967) is a fictionalized movie of this operation. When I first watched it many years ago, I thought it was completely fiction, thus pleasant surprise years later.
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  115. CHRISTIE!!!!!
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  116. Too excited to watch this Rum Ration before coffee
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  117. Last time I was this early, 5 min were Robo voice. Miss the Ca Sa Mate pronunciation 🎉
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  118. Imagining a time when she wasn't concerned for torpedoe boats
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  119. That was a rather catty thing to do wasn't it?😉
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  120. Amtrak between NYC and Philly. Been at full stop for around 20 min now. So glad for a new DD
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  121. I wrote it on another thread and will offer it here as well. If the Indianapolis was loss a month before, it would be another of the many war losses. The reporting that the ship was sunk with great loss of life came at the wrong time because it was the same time that peace was declared.. The atomic bombings were within days of the rescue efforts and VJ day was the 15 th of August. The world was celebrating the end of the war and that the killing and dying will finally stop. Loved ones were supposed to be safe and will come home. Then the news of the tragedy of the Indianapolis made it to the papers, shock and outrage followed. All those men that were suppose to come home were in reality already dead. The navy needed to cover a political and publicity disaster and McVay was sacrificed.
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  122.  @HighlanderNorth1  🤣
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  123. And Motoguzzi, that engine has less glamorous roots.
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  124. ..... we'll meet again some sunny day....
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  125. Happy Sunday morning! Glad we yanks have a long weekend to enjoy this.
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  126.  chris younts  that is so true! You can patiently provide a technical or historically accurate answer to a farcical, uninformed and or lazy question and they get offended and let you know about it.
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  127. There is a naval urban legend that goes something like this; the Royal Navy decided to launch and commission a ship on Friday the 13th and complement her with a crew who were all born on Friday the 13th. Ship set sail and was never seen again. Another naval urban legend it's that USS Franklin CV13 is supposed to have another bunch of 13's associated with her, wish I still have that list.
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  128. Last time I was this early, ship recognition cards came with bubble gum
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  129.  @shellshockedgerman3947  that was cheeky indeed 😃
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  130.  @scottgiles7546  as someone else mentioned, Midway was renamed St. Lo. So I'll just add that St. Lo was with Taffy 3 off Samar, but to be lost to Kamikaze attack the next day. It would have been fitting to grace CVN 81 with the name Midway, but it wasn't... but that's a different story.
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  131.  @Mishn0  I know Churchill is a DDG that is just over a decade old. Pretty sure same for England. But I'm a CVN guy, and will need to look it up to confirm. Nope, England name is not active and Churchill is almost 20 years old... man, I'm getting old too
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  132. USS Honolulu Starts the war at Pearl Harbor. Loss her bow from a torpedo at Kolombamgara. Took another torpedo during the Leyte campaign.
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  133.  @kemarisite  worldly and cultured by metric of how many languages are you fluent for "your friend had enough"
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  134.  @jeffreyskoritowski4114  yes, and now thinking again, I got my movie themes mixed up.
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  135.  @nonamesplease6288  bring on the comfy chair!
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  136. And now for something completely different.... From the comedic genius that gave us "The Producers" w the number "Spring Time for Hit 1er", HISTORY OF THE WORLD PART 1, "THE SPANISH INQUISITION." https://youtu.be/LnF1OtP2Svk
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  137. Alarms chimes on a dreary morning, what a lovely surprise to see this on my phone.
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  138. Oh, that "dynamite ship", the is a model of it in the USN museum. Do you need a picture?
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  139. Happens every Friday afternoon. Only they just send their staffers.
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  140.  @luisnunes2010  re: BuOrd seeing the rotten fruits of their labor. Christie then command submarine operations out of Brisbane. His CO's brought him many frustrated reports of torpedo failures, he concluded that his skippers were incompetent. (SRLY)
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  141.  @jimbob9714  technologies my friend, JPALS and Magic Carpet landing systems.
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  142. Zeros are eternal
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  143. Boise again being saved by massive water leaks. (Having to retire prior to Sunda Straight)
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  144. It's totally different! At Bismarck Sea, entire missions were flown with the express purpose of machine gunning men who were already swimming for their lives. Then they flew home and told themselves stories if any of those men would make ashore. Such a brave and gallant day's work.
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  145. Now that's running with scissors across a floor that is lava
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  146. Thank you! this and part 2 will make my upcoming 8 hr drive something to look forward to!😂
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  147. And naval acquisition class.
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  148. The wonderful A4 was surprisingly about the same dimension as a Zero, except the later is wide and short and the former is narrow and long.
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  149. Last time I was this early on a Sunday, Saburo Sakai had binocular vision.
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  150. There is the Kiev Class madness. Really a surface to surface ship with the waist angle deck tacked on. The aviation component is rather weak (to be nice about it). In a way it is like an extension of the Tone, full heavy cruiser armament and an extensive aviation facility. Note: the interwar USN heavy cruisers had a hangar and operated 4 float planes.
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  151. Definitely not PRC/ PLAN. Those guys are cranking out ships like five guys with burgers. Dedications, completely vertically integrated supply and short tech refreshes. Closest thing USN had to that are the DDG51s
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  152.  keith moore  Enterprise will return with CVN80, look for her christening in about 6 years. Edit: my original statement about Yorktown, Saratoga and Lexington were incorrect. Non are commissioned USN units. As for Sara and Lex (and Yorktown) these names are gracing CGs
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  153.  @kemarisite  🙂 sometimes justice does prevail, DDG 111 bears the name, Spruance.
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  154. The picture of the Hellcat taking off from the hangar bay was taken on 25 Feb 1944, the plane is an F6F-3 of VF-2. Side number 10 was also spotted or launch from this Catapult on the same day. These catapults were also on all Yorktowns and was a back up for just in case the flight deck was clobbered, as in over packed w aircraft or damage from battle (or storms). These catapults can launch in either direction. The interwar wargames carried out at Naval War College informed that the carriers will very likely lose use of the flight deck from bomb damage and thus these catapults were developed and installed. Sources: F6F in Action, Squadron/Signal Publications 1979. Lecture on the Battle of Midway, Naval Sea Systems Command And various readings Pop culture note: a launch using this hangar deck Catapult is featured in the 1944 movie "Wing and a Prayer" during the film's fictional Midway battle.
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  155. HAPPY BIRTHDAY USN!!!!!!
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  156. And in Nov of 42, the French navy sortied to fight the USN at Casablanca. They fought gallantly with excellent ship handling, good fire discipline and effective damage control. The USN got off lucky. How do you explain that?
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  157. Oh boy, we've been waiting on this one for years. This is a great week
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  158.  @tominiowa2513  totally off topic. Was wearing my one green shirt for St Patrick's day today. It's from the National Hobo Museum in Brett, Iowa.
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  159.  @Erdanya  a shell coming thru your babette can ruin your whole day in a hurry. For a retelling of one ship that survived a barbette penetration, check out SMS Seydlitz at Dogger Bank. Many sources available including Drydock. Then think about how many records exists of ships returning home with holes in ther hull.
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  160.  @ashesofempires04  that airliner was wearing an Iranian F-14 transponder. Separately, another little known fact, there was a car bomb attempt at the Vincennes' Captain a few years later.
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  161. Last time I was this early, the Ayesha was minding her own business.
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  162. A quote quite applicable to so many USN cruisers
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  163. Good call! Well placed into the movie's theme of survivor guilt, redemption and living for the future
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  164.  @Colt45hatchback  Good point! Meant the ones in little pieces.
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  165.  Roy Futrell  many modern navies are pursuing "midget" subs, for the litoral, Iran being one of them, so no surprise if PRC would as well. The is also a current push for unmanned underwater vehicles, so bass ackwards to a human torp. A powered underwater vehicle for people, yes, but that is not a "torpedo".
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  166. Watching Great War w Indie Nidel is super for European Geography
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  167. Accurate to what he remembered or were careful to share. Not entirely unique to either situation.
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  168. It takes several hours to make one guide, but 200 episodes to make a tradition. The title will continue.
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  169.  @MartinCHorowitz  True. Now I do notice that the lowest replaceable assemblies are getting"bigger" as programs are trying to meet mean time to repair and taking the route of fewer and therefore more complex LRAs. Eventually ending up with expensive and "bigger" LRAs. Before any user notices, the O level logistics footprint is twice as big as initially planned (or there is room for) plus the logistics trail of spares and retrograde transport becomes ... excitingly complex and expensive.
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  170.  @AdamMGTF  I have to thank the BBC's The World at War, which gave me just the right start.
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  171.  @TEHSTONEDPUMPKIN  there is a TV movie made of the Indianapolis called Mission of the Shark with Stacey Keach portraying CAPT McVay. The tribunal was included.
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  172.  @USNVA11  and an M3 tank!
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  173.  carmine paola  but the Dutch and the French were such nice people. And it was very British to "give" Hong Kong to China, and even set an example for the Portuguese. 🙄
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  174. The USN tradition has been to name destroyers for exemplary service members. Therefore, Best would have a DD in his name sake. Same for Dori Miller (which had a frigate named for him). 81 getting that name pissed me off, it should have been United States, Congress or one of the six frigates. I've moved on from the Ford Class and will always look back w pride.
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  175. Words to live by: down playing your adversaries' capability will get your people killed.
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  176. Thank you Drach, I've been waiting for a detailed account of this event for a very long time.
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  177.  @bkjeong4302  Besides providing a big but inefficient (expensive in all resources) AA platform, the big factor is the night. Night air operations were either non existant or at its infancy for everyone except the RN for most of WW2, thus CVs lack a night defense capability. Plus without good surface search radar, the CV group can be caught in a surface action in the night, thus good guns buys an amount of risk mitigation for such a situation.
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  178. The destroyer Suzutsuki. She survived 3 total USN sub launched torpedoes (that did explode) in 2 separate actions. Then was with Yamato and Yukikazi at Ten Go, again surviving with crippling damage. She would end up in reserve, and still fighting off air raids thru the end of the war.
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  179.  @Conn30Mtenor  and soon, a brother in law with Bofors.
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  180. Perhaps, just perhaps it has something to do with the MN's title for O5? Captain de Frigate?
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  181. Drydock question on drydocks. When and why did drydocks sides go from stepped to slabsided? What was the advantage of either?
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  182. Thank you ABF 🍇
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  183. Did ships other than the Lexingtons practice launch and recovery in full reverse with the aircraft going in the bow to stern direction? I remember reading that there were arresting cables installed in the bow for this purpose, that the Lexington's electric drive made them very capable of going fast in reverse and at least one account where this was done during early WW2 (The First Team, Lundstrom?)
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  184. Sad part is that modern warships are still repeating similar lessons and fails. - Now with sensors and emitters interfering and masking. And there is weapons plumes, FOD, exhaust from garbage incinerators.... not to mention superstructure air turbulence to aircraft, good times.
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  185. Sooner 🤓
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  186. Last time I was this early, Jeremy Clarkson's father in law was just some guy you know?
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  187. Re: effect of none penetrating hit, Kirishima managed to hit Helena with a 14" bombardment round, right in the faceplate of turret 4. Miraculously, no one was injured from that hit. Except perhaps Kirishima's gunners' pride. During the same battle, either San Fran or Portland took a hit from a similar round to a barbette, which did breach the armour and did a lot of damage to the gun and the surrounding area. A "horse shoe shaped hole" was blown from the weather deck surrounding the barbette.
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  188.  @GaldirEonai  1) re: Submarine AA effectiveness, a friendly link for your reading pleasure. Also suggest further diving into the famous "stay on the surface and fight" order. U-boat Successes against aircraft - The History - uboat.net https://uboat.net/history/aircraft_losses.htm 3) Yorktown was definitely salvagable and repairable in her condition before she got torpedoed by the sub. I say that mainly because she did not burn and she was abandoned due to risk of capsizing from progressive listing. After the listing stabilised, the returning salvage party was actually making small corrections to the list. IMO, she'll go to Pearl for sea worthiness and propulsion repairs and then to Bremerton for a refit. Considering the desperate nature of the Solomons Campaign, she would have deployed into that meat grinder once she can sail and conduct flight ops.
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  189.  @dangray4086  hi Dan, they are for rigging anti torpedo nets. There are several Drach discussions on them, the first time was on Drydock #1. I think you'll like it. Share and enjoy.
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  190. If I were into tattoos, Snow Wind in Japanese would be tattoo number 2
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  191.  @ColonelHoganStalag13  no and no. Indianapolis was sunk by unmanned torpedoes. I-58 had Kaitens embarked but the tactical situation was favorable for a conventional attack and six conventional torpedoes were fired. Hashimoto did testify and did so for the DEFENSE of McVey, that zig zagging was not an effective defensive tactic (something well known by USN sub commanders). Remember, one of the charges was for NOT zig zagging.
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  192.  @tommasobalconi  yes, kinda sorta 😁. Friendly note, after the first four Atlantas, follow on sub classes and evolutions deleted the 2 wing mounts for more 40mm. The Worchesters followed suit.
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  193. Poor Fubuki, betrayed by her own silhouette.
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  194. Blank that! Open FIRE!
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  195.  @christianlim772  which one, Atlanta or Juneau?
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  196.  @jwenting  did not know about the Dutch frigates, very interesting. Do you know if the design started with the same helo?
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  197.  @knowshistory8740  and then it gets even better! Crossing the desert in a camel caravan. A circle the wagons fire fight against attacking tribesmen, epic stuff. Btw: the schooner Ayesha is in the upper right background at 7:10. Not small (<100 tons) but was outfitted for a crew of 6 vice 40. To feed that many men a fire box had to be created on the weather deck using ballast pig iron .
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  198.  @ralean3099  USS William Porter was a face palm full episode. Another recommendation for cursed ships would be, Houston. (1) CA 30 - lost and with the whole surviving crew captured to endure POW treatment... and then some may have died from a US sub attack while being transported in a Japanese cargo ship (2) CL-81 Torpedoed twice, losing all power and had to be towled. (3) SSN 713 was a mess of comedies - you couldn't get a break on that ship.
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  199.  @bkjeong4302  agreed, I was only relaying to the previous post that there is a whole episode devoted to it. Plus, let's stick to "charmed" ship names that carried from ship to ship.
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  200. @Andrew Givens  Why? What? 😀 PLAN today is a lot different than 10 years ago.
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  201.  keith moore  good news, there is a USS Halsey currently in service with the USN. USN destroyers of late have been named after recent Metal of Honor recipients.
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  202. Normal, Abbie Normal
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  203.  @johnshepherd8687  explain why the French fought the allies with such resolve even at the end of 42? Pardon the spotty comments, Jeopardy was on 😁
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  204. 5:40 oh, that looks familiar... you must drop by the USN Museum at the Washington Navy Yard when visiting the States
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  205.  @Grimmwoldds  ROFL ... and congratulations on your landing 🤓 Now give me an hour to cool off before ranting.
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  206. Just when you think it can't be that bad, along comes a flock of Amiot 143's.
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  207. Romani Eti Domas
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  208. Commission a painting of it being towed to the breakers. Then have Q and 007 stand in front of it and exchange quips about the old and the future.
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  209.  @alwayscurious3357  it was a deliberate set up by the Iranians. Westerners can't accept that a despotic regime would send out civilians to die for geopolitical gain.
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  210. A Ship call Littorio that can actually go into Combat? USN, must have skipped classes that semester.
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  211.  @mattblom3990  Breckenridge, now that I can really relax and listen and watch a Naval history show after a long day of Naval planning and construction. A Bourbon from far away from the ocean and well above sea level.
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  212. Seem to remember that there were/was a cruiser bombardment of Henderson that was effective, but not so much that the airfield was neutralized completely. Sending the bigger guns with big order bombardment rounds made sense until even when 100% successful, there was still the CV based air threat.
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  213. I say that we should follow up blowing up Moody into little pieces, with the same treatment for Modly
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  214. The retort of every loggie when they run out of things to say.
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  215.  @lexington476  think there was discussion on this in the Grates Under Pressure, Wednesday Rum Ration
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  216.    the hydro dynamic resistance will be so great that ships as we know them will not exist. The seas will become like an impassable desert. So the entire seafaring history of mankind will not happen. You will have some people crossing the custard desert on foot or by draft animal on "snow/ custard shoes". On some high wind areas, people may be able to skim across the custard on "custard skis". It is unlikely to become a viable form of transportation until someone can build an engine to power tracked vehicles, hover craft, swamp boat... etc. Just think, no body was faring across the tundra or the desert or swamps. Hope this wets your appetite on your what if. I am curious to read about some of your ideas on what would happen?
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  217.  @Kai-tm8lx Good news! You don't need to wait! The non-effectiveness of HESH for anti-shipping was discussed in detail in DD 62
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  218.  @eric24567  for battleship main belt, the armor is "hung" (that's the naval term) by bolting to the hull plate. A gap is left between the armor and the hull (approx 1 to 2 inch) and a form of concrete is used to fill the gap. Using the South Dakota exhibit as an example, the bolts or studs are about 3 inches in diameter and are spaced about 4 foot apart. By observation and touching a piece of South Dakota's main belt armor... 8 weeks ago. Here is an existing image. https://www.google.com/search?q=battleship+armor&safe=off&client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&prmd=isvn&sxsrf=ALeKk03tWU7g0sn8g-DzhK4yZfg9GMAjig:1589757368391&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjR4uLZg7zpAhUzj3IEHaVdB2wQ_AUoAXoECA4QAQ&biw=320&bih=563#imgrc=K7wjoufkWAW2_M The solid coffee table like image is a chunk of main belt, the bolt and nut are just under the corners like stubby legs of a table. The thickness is 16 inches.
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  219.  @DavidConnor  hms antelope, falkland
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  220. Competition for topside real estate, sensor coverage, wave length allocation and prioritization is alive and well in the 21 century.
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  221.  @ramal5708  yes, totally agree that Scott was the better man for the job that Friday the 13th. Friendly note: Atlanta did not have an SG radar set.
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  222. Like the battle cruisers in the "1st Scouting Squadron"?
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  223. Re: CV12 took 3 1/2 months from launch to commission. CVN78 G.R.Ford took over 3 1/2 YEARS!!
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  224. This is the best Friday the 13th ever!@@❤
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  225. Found it! Kirishima hitted Helena's turret-4 directly on the faceplate with a bombardment round. "Though the hit only jarred the gunners in the turret, shrapnel struck numerous fittings all around the turret, including a 20mm gun shield. Miraculously, no one was as much as scratched by the fallout of the huge bombardment round" Guadalcanal, Decision at Sea, Eric Hammel, Crown Pulishers 1988.
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  226.  @MrTScolaro  Squadron 633, Mosquitos attacking a heavy water plant. It's free on YouTube movies
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  227. The IJN heavy cruisers at Savo were antiques, built before WNT limits. Ships such were the Aoba and Furitako and sisters were truly below 9K tons and armed with only 6 x 8 inch. Only the flagship Chokai was a WNT cheater ship. It came down to excellent training for IJN, a mess of blunders from USN, the tactical situation/ deployment / dispersion of force which allowed the IJN to go clobbering in detail, and a smidge of fortune.
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  228. Everyone, best wishes for a speedy recovery.
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  229. Wyom, Cheyenne ...
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  230. USN Carrier names are for battles, famous ships and great LEADERS. Destroyers are named for HEROS, e.g. Congressional Medal of Honor recipients. That is until CVN81, which I strongly disagree with, and will now hold my hat on my heart and move on.
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  231. Oh, and the earlier exception to the "rule", USS Shangri-La CV38. USN had more Essex Class than names :)
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  232. Fabulous discussion on mission kill, design reservation, balanced design and the different solutions from the various Navys and why. Less I forget, the importance of HM&E and hotel services to the combat effectiveness of a warship. BRAVO ZULU, we want more!
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  233.  @Kevin_Kennelly  nuthing is woirking, send in the nuns!
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  234. What did happen to the Maori gifts after the ship was decommissioned? Are they displayed at a museum? It would be awesome for a Richard Smith (Bovington Tank Musuem) favorite things like episode.
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  235. Improvised projectiles: Do seem to remember a few cans of made in USA tomatoes being returned to the USN by the IJN off of Samar😂
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  236. Whilst evading the Hampshire to her north and Chikuma to her south.
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  237. We'll be there to welcome you again!
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  238. Good for you for jumping in. A few nuggets to add. The US had helium and the strategic helium reserve had been around well before nuke power. After the Akron and Macon, the USN continued to operate lighter than air craft, e.g. the anti submarine blimps of WW2. These blimps saw direct combat on both oceans and were not buoyanted by hot air.
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  239. Re: Seydlitz, completion of repairs delaying her sortie and the entire mission. The damage this time was caused by striking a mine on 24 April whilst leading a mission to bombard Lowestoft. Hello friendly mine voice! You've once again changed the entire course of a fleet operation. Profile Warship Series #14
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  240. Only some of the crew did, and with a sail boat and some camels!
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  241. Cheers for 4000 meter high power naval rifles as an Olympic sport! Heck, just give the guy with the thick glasses another gold medal!
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  242. 🤣Kingsman bar fight scene.
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  243. Star Fleet Battle What a classic board game !
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  244. So excited! A series on the Guadalcanal Campaign. This year, Nov 13 also falls on a Friday, just as in 42, when USN cruisers and destroyers got into melee range with Hiei and Kirishima
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  245.  @Thirdbase9  CV gun kill, check out Taffy 3 off Samar. A CVE scored a 5" round on a heavy cruiser and detonated the cruiser's torps. Edit: and great timing with the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Samar coming up on the 25th of Oct.
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  246.  @bkjeong4302  definitely will revisit the Samar video, especially with the 75th anniversary coming up. A CVE taking out a heavy cruiser by gunnery is a story that makes me want to believe 🙂. Kind of like if the only daylight picture taken during WW2 with both USN and IJN ships in the same frame were these 2 ships.
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  247.  @bkjeong4302  thank you for the insight. Looking forward to the next definitive account on Samar or other great battles and campaigns.
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  248.  @bkjeong4302  thank you for the update. Must again admit that that was a golden bb story that begs to be believed.
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  249. Last I was this early, quit immediately followed quirt in the OED
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  250. Shipyards' infrastructure, skilled designers and trades people plus material and equipment suppliers. Same impact today as they were a century more ago
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  251. Just found out that HMS QUEEN ELIZABETH is anchored in Chesapeake Bay just south of Annapolis and the Bay Bridge. Someone drive over and get a picture!
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  252. Unbelievable, nothing between Candytuft and Carnation - sad.
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  253.    sadly, minced sailors are faster to replace than ships 🙁. Seydlitz had almost all her turrets knocked out and was practically awashed at the bow, yet rejoined the fleet in 6 months (with replacement meat). Can't build a new battle cruiser in 6 months.
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  254.  @Zeppflyer  yes, but it was rare. Some were just bad landings that ended up smacking the island. The classic example in almost every discovery channel episode would be the F6F that smashed into the 5 38 twin mount and got cut in have. In another sad example, a training jet flew inverted into the island, not sure if that one had been released to the public. Makes me cry a little everytime. https://www.military.com/video/military-aircraft-operations/crash-landings/raw-navy-flight-student-crash/817399077001
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  255. The diagram at 1:50 is a simple cartoon. A more accurate plan view showing the amount of clearance between the gun barrels and the main deck structure can be found here: https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/ships/ships-uk/49161/view/hms_colossus_%28battleship%29_%281911%29/ Although masked by the flying structure, you can imagine that the deck structure chamfer can be repeated on both the port and starboard sides. Hope this helps.
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  256.  Jimmy De'Souza  you are welcome! Helping you and others on this thread led me to find that "blueprint" website, and that's a win for me as well 😃.
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  257.  @jimtaylor294  induced FAMINE is infinitely cheaper, we're talking tens of lives per penny not invested! Just look at The Great Leap Forward or the Cultural Revolution for Mao's sake.
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  258. Did the friendly mine sweeper carry friendly mines?
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  259. @Chung KWOK Drydock 18 for Type 96 25mm AA Oops got 99 crossed up w 96
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  260.  @paulmeredith800  RN vs Sealion @ Drydock 92 Early in the 3rd hour
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  261.  @bkjeong4302  🤓 everytime an IJN ship comes up, I instinctively brace for the barrage of 25mm Type 96 questions
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  262.  @stevevalley7835  Yes, the Yorktown class were well design tough cookies but not without some flaws. IMO the tactical situation at Midway was not as dire in that USN was not about to lose the playing field as was after Santa Cruz. This would have given a much better opportunity to pull Yorktown into safer waters.
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  263.  @stevevalley7835  agreed on your observation again. Please note that the context of the question from the poster was whether Yorktown was salvageable or worth salvaging IF she wasn't caught by I-168 😁
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  264.  @chadcountiss5290  25mm Type 96 DD 18 why they were not so good DD 55 why they stuck around There are many other comment threads distributed thru out the channel. Share and enjoy
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  265.  @GaldirEonai  the answer is yes, the embarked float or seaplanes were used for logistics transfer. The Grumman Duck is a classic example. That thing it's like a moving van with the volume between the fuselage and float enclosed for the passengers. The Duck was even capable of launching and arrested landings on aircraft carriers. It was an ugly duck, but it was useful.
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  266.  @lesliewilson2122  (1) RAF bomber command resources would be freed up to put more ordnance on continent (2) RN Capitol units would be freed up for the Mediterranean and (eventually) Pacific (3) Coastal command will rack up more kills on those long range patrols aircraft (4) the U boat tide will take a little longer to turn (5) more dead U boats (ASW got really good).
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  267. And robo voiced!
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  268.  @KB4QAA  US and Australian aircrews shot ship wrecked sailor at the end of the fighting battle regularly. Same occurred from the enemy. I caulk it up for overkill and emotions at the end of battle. Flying home, rearming to go back for more heads is the part which upsets my ethics. After a long day of bullets from the air, PT boats came out at night to get their jollies. Sadly, this is how bismark sea ended
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  269.  @tommasobalconi  would that be the USS Worchester CL-144??
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  270.  @57thorns  the Tonan Maru No. 3 was a big 19,000 ton ship. Point of reference, a contemporary heavy cruiser was 10 to 12 K tons. She was converted from a whaler to a tanker. The best that the 12 torps that hit but did not explode were to make 21 inch holes to a ship that is designed to hold liquid. The Maru was also armed with 4 inch guns which made a surface attack unwise. After 5 hours, a destroyer escort arrived and Tinosa with her 1 remaining torp evaded the destroyer and left. Tonan Maru was towed back to Truk. Lawrence Daspit brought Tinosa back to Pearl.
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  271.  @Statefir  because when the channel started over 2 years ago, there were only 5 minute long guides to warships. Happily, the content had grown. There are several guides under 6 minutes, perhaps those will be more to your liking.
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  272.  @probusthrax  ask and you might get something like what you want 🤓. This is a link to Drach's discussion on USN and IJN DC https://youtu.be/iC6LN3U5ELk
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  273.  @mattblom3990  this is just an opinion from a 40mm Bofors fan boy. In the magic sauce are the water cooled barrel jacket and the wonderful clip feeding system. You can just keep dropping 4 round clips into the feed guides and POOM away, continuous fire, no stoppages. Good range, good explosives, good velocity, good fire direction and good stabilization, it just adds up! Ok, enough gushing, over to the experts.
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  274.  @craighagenbruch3800  the IJN cruisers kept their guns and their torps. For the as designed heavy cruisers, 8 and 10 X 8 inch guns (similar to USN) accompanied their torpedoes. The Mogami's initially had 15 X 6 inch guns (similar to Brooklyn) and the torpedoes. So IJN was not skimping on guns in order to keep their torps. They were over burdening their ships and skimping on armor.
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  275.  @GaldirEonai  CAP, escorting ships and ship's own guns form a layered defense system. Fighters form the outer layer and were not to intrude into the gunnery layer. Situation do occur when defending aircraft flew into their own flak zone and that will be on their own risk. This was the case for defending land targets as well.
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  276.  @l7986  absinthe
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  277.  @operatorhoot470  Altmark perhaps. There is also a disputed claim of an attempted boarding by an IJN submarine officer to an US vessel.
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  278.  @lycossurfer8851  OMG, that would make one heck of a picture. Meanwhile, enjoy this: 🙃 https://youtu.be/M_ILBdiil6I
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  279. A few more nuggets 1) the USN torpedo design, development and testing was at the Newport torpedo station Rhode Island. (I wonder if the equitoral waters testing was performed at "the tongue of the ocean" in Bermuda. Edit - actually Bahamas. 2) the torpedo factory is in Alexandria Virginia, across the river from Washington Navy Yard & Naval Gun Factory (DC). 3) Part of the wonky design of the contact detonator was to incorporated an "anti-mining" feature. So that the explosive pressure wave of one torpedo in the salvo does not set off the rest prior to actual contact with the target. But every torpedoe designer would have worked out this feature... including the MK 10, another WT... moment.
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  280. Share and enjoy Atomicbabel(fish)
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  281.  @jwenting  that hits so close to home. Do you mind sharing the ship class and the helo TMS? I am not familiar with Dutch hardware and would like to use it as a case study.
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  282.  @jwenting  oh, this is a while ago! Thank you for the info. Sadly, DDG1000 did not do much better with her helo(s), in different ways.
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  283. Last time I was this early, there were fewer entries between "quirt" and "quit" in the OED. Original text: Last time I was this early, "quit" immediately followed "quirt" in the OED. Thank you Tevildo
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  284.  @Tevildo  Vidkun turns and walks away from the camp fire. Vidkun - such great words of fortune from these weird sister. I shall be with a strong army to my back and I shall rule until merlin's cast earthquakes upon the fjords! This is joyous, I must bring this news to the wife post haste. But first to the druggist for some toilet paper and hand sanitizer.
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  285.  @leeboy26  never underestimate the power of "Jerry" rigging 🙃
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  286. Can not remember where, when or if it were USN or IJN, but yes it had been done once before the Philippine Seas.
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  287.  @SilentCyRadioShow  happy news, the dream team was revealed in a recent DD. Can't remember which one, but it was recent.
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  288. 🤣
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  289. This one jumps nationalities, and that's ok since the later was named for the former. HMAS Canberra - lost at Battle of Savo Island USS Canberra - Torpedoed Oct 44 resulting in total power loss and had to be towed away and remained under tow for 2 weeks. Bonus: USS Canberra was with USS Houston (another charmed ship name, see my earlier post) when they were both crippled and together as "Cripple Squadron 1" repelled a good sized air raid. Bonus 2: a USS Vincennes was with Canberra on both occasions. On the first occasion CA 44, was also sunk, the later CL 64 was fine.
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  290. OMG spam! So thats how they got called tin cans!
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  291. 1941 (the movie)? Macbeth (that Shakespeare thing)?
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  292.  @jeebus6263  share and enjoy
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  293.  @magellali1623  IJN destroyers that were designed for surface action (e.g. Fubuki Class and evolutions) had a full set of reloads (3 x 3) stored in "ready locker" like boxes on the weather deck. After the first salvo, the launcher tubes were cranked over to align with the reload "boxes" and with much sweat the second set was slid into the empty tubes. These destroyers were designed for delivering torpedoes and can dish out 18 of them. Yes, that made them heavy and exposed a lot of combustibles to enemy fire. But the doctrine is to avoid being shot at, dump a spread of 9, reload and dump another 9. During the Solomon campaign, this happened with regularity. Even Tasaforoga, while under fire from radar directed guns, several of the 9 destroyers (those not burdened with rice and bullets), got off the second salvo. Btw: a spread of 9 was calculated to be the minimum to ensure 1 hit at the doctrinal engagement range. That didn't exactly work out when tested by fire. (Source: Japanese Destroyer Captain, T. Hara, Ballentine Books 1961).
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  294. 1:44, "friendly mine fields" imagining a chorus of Sirens.
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  295. A kind of Easter egg
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  296. Hi, where can I send you pictures of the Vesuvius model from the USN Museum ? I can send you close up pictures and videos of many museum ship models, actual naval guns, Spainish guns captured at Manila Bay, the Yamato main turret face armor used for live fire testing, and a few more odds and ends.
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  297. 6:28 was that an Easter egg?
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  298.  @marcbogonovich3974  aerial recognition and simple IFF. That's what the Italians painted on their ships. Some scout planes received the same treatment to their wings (V shape pointed forwards).
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  299.  @Commandmanhardcore  re: largest warship sunk by shore to ship fire. WW2 Blucher, check out the Wed Rum Ration on the Norway Campaign and the 5 min guide on Hipper Class.
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  300.  @noahdaniel2577  watch your mouth, Gilbert Hoover don't talk like that.
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  301. Fisherman on the beach pulling eels out of a grotesque hunk of bait, "you should have seen them after Jutland, they were as thick as my arms!" The Tin Drum
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  302. And you can still visit them with their rather huge guns along the Maryland side of the Potomac. And no, climbing on the guns are not prohibited.
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  303. ​@rhedosaurus2251 my opinion is that the Brooklyns, and Mogami in 15 x 6inch guns and even those with 12 x 6 and in the 10k ton range to be may fit that nom de Gare.
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  304. I can't resist ... lake shore built LCSs were as as useful as the LCSs built on the coast.
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  305.  @gwtpictgwtpict4214  AGREED
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  306. Definitely enjoyed that, thanks for sharing.
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  307. Did you know that there is a Drach Wednesday special on the Alabama? Second, the Kearsage's rudder with shell is on display at the USN Museum in the Washington Navy Yard, Washington DC.
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  308. Didn't she pronounce it A-jacks? Also, I think the set was reused in a Jackie Chan movie.
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  309. She didn't always go unscathed, but always survived. Her anchor rests at Etajima.
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  310. A couple of hours at the USN Museum in DC at Naval Sea System Command HQ between Philly and Norfolk. Free and open to the public between 0800 and 1600. You'll be glad you did and can take better pictures of all the wonderful ship models than those that I've sent. Also an awesome food choice area for DC meet up.
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  311. Check the list of ships on queue.... it's coming in a few months
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  312. RIP, Heather Chandler (Kim Walker)
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  313. Maybe there is a review of the movie on "Good bad flicks" channel.
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  314. Late to realize that it was USN's hatred for the Martians that kept the birdcage mast in service for so long.
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  315. Welcome to the channel! Lucky you, the mega DD episode 92 covers exactly what you seek (3:13 approx).
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  316. Big E should be required reading for anyone who hazards a comment of "knowledge". Just to help those that have trouble finding a copy: for some flight deck damage, steel plates can be laid over the affected area. This is a bandaid with the limitations analogous of a bandaid.
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  317. Yup, there are recorded instances of a PT boat rolling off a depth charge to shake off a pursuing ship.
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  318. The German Navy in WW2 was a submarine based navy. Yes, it killed a lot of merchant and a few warships. When the allies got their ASW game on, the U boats became the hunted and were slaughtered. The IJN on the other hand were stretched thin and never developed effective ASW tools thus the successful USN submarine campaign. When fighting a war, would you count on your enemy never developing the tool to make your single weapon system ineffective? Just think if in 1943, the IJN started cranking out ASW destroyers with a good sonar and a hedgehog. Plus plenty production of Emily's for maritime patrol. The silent service would have many more boats on eternal patrol.
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  319.  @Kevin_Kennelly  Domum 😁
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  320.  @stallfighter  invite you to look at the warship recognition cards. On the lower left corner is the "density of main battery coverage" plot. For 41 degrees on either side of dead ahead, the Takao is restricted to 4 guns while Mogami can cover with all 6 guns. Don't be distracted by trying to fire dead ahead at near 0 degree elevation, it is rather pointless except for an extremity limited tactical situation.
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  321. USS Worchester, a 6 inch AA cruiser with heavy cruiser weight. They came too late for WW2 and were gone by the mid fifties
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  322. The next time I'm this early, PCU JKF will be Christened.
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  323.  @USSAnimeNCC-  Pre Commissioned Unit. The ship gets named at Christening. Until she is commissioned as a ship of the Navy, the ship and crew is a PCU. Plus until commissioning, and then "delivery" the owner of the ship is the contracted builder. CVN79 John F. Kennedy recieves her Christening Dec 7 2019.
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  324. Horrifyingly, "Michigan Pacific Strogahnof" can actually exist as "Tuna Noodle Hotdish", or better known as a "casserole" outside the midwestern states.
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  325. IJN and IJA made an asinine move to sail 6000+ troops into the teeth of USAAC and RAAF and got their ships sunk from under them. As thousands of men clung to flotsam, USAAC and RAAF aircraft and PT boats returned to machine gun them. Then they told themselves justifying stories to allow them to sleep at night. Bismarck Sea was more a massacre then a battle. Stupid military decisions get men kill, that's war. After the ships were sunk, to go out on a mission expressly to shoot men who are struggling for their lives in the ocean, that I can not abide. End rant. Sean, this was not directed at you. Humanity broke down, and it troubled me ever since I first read about it in US history books.
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  326.  @jcalvert6666  you MUST watch the film "The Bridge at Toko-Re". In the final scene, they are docking an Essex Class in just this manner.
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  327.  @stevevalley7835  you got me thinking silly things. On the Nimitz and Ford Class. The jet engine test stand is just under the aft ramp of the flight deck, and vents out the back. Would be cool to see a night time engine run and just pretend that it's pushing the ship along.
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  328.  @sparkymck1620  should you visit Washington DC, the USN Museum has a 5 ft long model of that USS Brooklyn on display.
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  329.  @johnbelli6384  yes, Scott fought his first battle on San Francisco (with no SG) radar and was first to make the mistakes repeated at the NBoG. He did realise that he ignored Helena's reports and was studying up on the system when he was reassigned to TF 62.4 upon Callahan's arrival to command TF 67.4. TF 62.4 comprised of 4xDD, 3 attack transports and the flagship Atlanta. Thus, Scott flew his flag from her and did so when Atlanta and 2x DD joined up with TF67.4. Helena was on TF 67.4 thus not under Scott's command. The inaction (holding when several ships had firing solutions) and then bad decisions (famous odd/port even/starboard command) are what forfeited the advantage and turned the night into a melee. Were 11 IJN DD hard to dispatch? Yes again, and there were enough USN DD and CLAA to turn them. Could the 2 "big ones" be disabled by the smaller guns and torps of TF67.4? Hiei would attest to that. Yes, advantage does not guarantee victory, one could easily point to Tassaforanga. Finally, thank you for the opportunity to dig out some old reads.
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  330.  @davidbirt8486  thank you David. Yes I remember the single twin mount on the bow now. Cheers!
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  331.  @davidbirt8486  thank you again! Google....boy do I feel like a plebe
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  332. Imagine letting 6 fleet carriers and battle screen sneak up on you 🤓
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  333. On the serious note, the night battles of the Solomon's campaign were full of ships of both sides and of all sizes being surprised at point blank.
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  334. My E39 with M62TU agreed until its final demise last December. 10mm and a lot of patience (remove 10 things to get to the 1 thing) for most, suspension not included.
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  335. Dear community, please help for i have forgotten the details. The story is that a sub on sea air rescue duty lost crewmen during the rescue of a downed carrier aircrew. The CV commander sent a message to the sub. It went like this, and I would very much appreciate if someone can help filling in the blanks; " to USS <sub>, Everything on board <name of CV> is yours for the asking, if it's too large, we will cut it up" <USN officer> after the rescue of an aircrew in which <#> men of <sub> crew were killed by an enemy strafing attack. I can not remember and your assistance it's appreciated
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  336.  @drogoKoJ  thanks for pointing out that there was a picture of an athwart ship Catapult launch in the middle of the video. I often only listen to the narrative. The picture is indeed taken from CV12, the squadron is VF2 and the date was 25 Feb 1944. About the Catapult, they are able to launch in either direction. The ramp that is shown in the picture was only wide enough for the tail wheel. During launch the main wheels were positioned in board of the ramp as part of the hangar deck and the tail wheel sits out on the ramp. Edit: an action scene of such a Catapult launch with an Avenger is included in the 1944 movie "Wing and a Prayer" during the fictitious Midway battle which also spliced in actual footage of Enterprise bomb damage at Eastern Solomons. This movie is free on YouTube .
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  337.  @rerd6614  it's an early FAX machine. Some people like to boast that it is the first step towards an inter web, in my opinion, they are way too optimistic
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  338. The follow on to Atlanta Class, the Juneau Class (the second one, CL- 119) and the Worchester Class did almost exactly that, except more drastically. The Juneaus had the 2 closest to the ends turrets on the weather deck.
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  339. The key word is "Littoral", and the threats in close to shore but not along the shoreline operations. As for the Saudi modifications, I like them a lot and all the improvements can be backfit to USN with ease.
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  340.  @phillipdoorbar1615  try the post started by Dire - with 15 + comments, both Sar Jim and I covered it since this thread was started.
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  341. Them RN chaps are pretty resourceful. They could have done interesting work with night time air strikes. Hard to say if they'll get away once dawn comes.
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  342. With her spacous cargo capabilty, Kamchatka (like Jupiter) would make a reasonable CV conversion. What contribution would a CV conversion of the Kamchatka bring to Taffy 3's fight off Samar? With Gensoul in command. Edit: added the first sentence
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  343.  @Litany_of_Fury  friendly suggestion to search the web for the battleship Oklahoma. It capsized and sank at Pearl Harbor, although she never returned to service, the salvage was epic.
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  344.  @joesvoboda3509  agreed, salvaging the Oklahoma was a was a waste of resources. IMO, esp.once the war & new ship construction progressed into mid 43. And IMO, the salvage continued for vindication from a bruising.
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  345. Tuna noodle "hotdish", the bane of lunchrooms. Sadly, it can exist Which is poetic considering it was for why and how the jumbled phrase "the world wonders" fitting into the message.
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  346.  @phaasch  and that should be a sport
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  347.  @richmcgee434  based on an Italian design. They will be built in Marinette, Wisconsin.
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  348. Refitted Canberra was a prized scale model of my childhood.
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  349. And he had a PBY Catalina too. Unfortunately his son was killed in the PBY.
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  350. The procedure was to unhook the gyrocopter if the sub came under attack and needed to dive. Wonder what the hazard pay was for the pilot?
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  351.  @ramal5708  Scott was flying his flag from Altanta before joining Callahan's TF. Scott's TF were the Atlanta and 4 DD w attack transports.
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  352.  @burtony3  and there was one, can't remember much from it, except for the miserable climate and the aforementioned dogs.
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  353.  @lynnwood7205  ahhhhh, the perks .... so many perks .... Btw: cost of systems that are permanently installed on the ship (w engineering in situations) are included in the Ship New Construction cost. E.g. catapults, CIWS, to forklifts, dental chairs are in the SCN. You are correct, airplanes are separate as it rightful must be.
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  354.  @jebise1126  There was the 5 barrel Hotchkiss 37mm anti boat gun. Alas, they were pre WW1.
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  355. It screams Mel Brooks.
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  356.  @kalinmir  mainly because the redirected high velocity gases will damage your own ship and affect any adjacent gun's projectile. There is an existing DD answer to your question. Edit added: DD #58
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  357.  @pikgaming5955  "de-perming" is still performed on military ships. Now imagine an induction coil big enough to park a CVN within.
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  358.  @esbendit  great news! The question on the small guns on the side of the Richellou question was answered in Drydock 015. They were ... best to watch the episode 🤓
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  359.  Erik Heath  don't be dismayed, the channel content has only changed for the better. As for the comments, remember the days when the number of comments were only the double digits? Laught at the silly questions and help those who don't know better. But blast the fools and contra hisdorians into dust.
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  360.  @ditto1958  oh my God what is this Warspite thing you speak of? As for the second part of your comment, the answer is... propaganda! "They blew up XYZ, we must have revenge! REVENGE!" (The action, not the ship). This is not just the RN, there is this thing called the Arizona and the Maine. Now I got a question for you, is the Barham famous? It too blew up. Edit: added the following Also, there is the Sheffield at the Falklands, which is a shocker and a milestone in naval warfare to be sunk by an anti-ship missile.
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  361.  @WhisperingDeath  check out drydock 35 around 39 minutes for factors that eventually made aircraft a threat to warships at sea, w some discussion of the timeline.
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  362.  @WhisperingDeath  there is an episode that talked about the POW and the issue w the AA's effectiveness. And shooting down vs warding off was discussed. Its 5 minute guide 18 in 2 parts. You'll have to bear with robot drach.. And guide 21 for human Drach voice
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  363. Never ever heard of it. Incidents of aircraft landing on an enemy occupied air field, yes. Actually wheels on deck on an enemy ship. NEVER heard or read of it Allegitly... Danny!
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  364. And Philippine Seas, reported of an unknown aircraft attempting to land in an USN CV... allegedly. Again have never ever heard , much less read of wheels on deck.
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  365. $%@ the D... deleted ?Are you wishing for the age of colonialism when the Dutch government and mega companies were very heavy handed in the subjugation and exploitation of indigenous peoples over several continents in the name of profit?
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  366.  @RedXlV  yes and including USS Cow Pents. That should make any Flower Class sailor's day. 😁
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  367. @scottgiles7546  in a reverse of that, the aircraft carriers Midway and Coral Sea were first given to CVE's. The renamed CVEs were with the Taffies at Samar, one was the St. Lo and was lost to kamakazies.
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  368. CV12 might have had the athwardship Catapult in the hangar bay as well. Not sure when it was no longer installed on the Essex Class, and the 4th ship is pretty early.
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  369. Perhaps ironic, Christie commanded the sub squadron out of Brisbane which had mangy S Class boats with the older MK 10 torpedoes.
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  370.  @darrellsmith4204 watch out buddy, you never know if someone reading and commenting is highly trained in that wreck.🤓
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  371.  @ariancontreras4358  technically, wouldn't say that it is impossible, with money and time. Treaties limitations aside. But why would anyone convert a more capable fighting unit (CV) into a lesser type (CB)? That is not practical and not a smart move.
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  372.  @Kiflic-fx3qp  from a stability perspective, better to have weight lower on the ship. The Pensacola class is an oddball and you've already noted the reason (design compromise) that made it necessary.
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  373. re: even vs odd number of engines. It is not as simple, because some twins were built with both props turning in the same direction. In a hard to fathom case, P-38s exported to Britain were built on the cheap and had props going in the same direction, that plus inferior engines made them not suitable for combat. Good write up on the rotary!
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  374. Thank you Sewing for your service! Offering to you a silly piece of trivia: the last time an A5 landed from flight was in the mid 90's, yes the mid 90's. You see, there was a display airframe that was being transported to an air park museum by slung load from a helo. Somewhere over the pine barrens of NJ, the load had to be jettisoned, it's still out there in the woods. So the lesson was learned and when it was time to move the E-2, a flatbed truck was used. The load fell off the truck in a traffic circle in NJ.
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  375. Tying your 2 points together, I remember reading that during one of the night battles in the Solomon's campaign, one of the USN cruisers took a battleship "bombardment" round to the face on one turret. It did not penetrate, and I forget if the turret remained in action, but I think the crew was not wiped out. Just could not imagine what it was like to be inside that mount. Edit: I am trying to find the incident.
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  376.  @kemarisite Brooklyns took their losses. Honolulu lost her bow and Helena sunk, both by torpedoe vice shelling.
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  377. Last time i was this early, Jack fell down and broke his crown.
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  378. ​@dougjb7848 yes, and they world have had to divert more. Plus, planning a Naval or Amphibious Assault at the U boat pens would occur which will draw those resources. An airborne assault? Diverting the land campaign towards the capture of the pens? All of the above would throw a wrench or a resource drain into the European campaign and thus delaying the progress. An analogy would be the Doolittle Raid not causing much military damage, but did changed the IJN's plans for 1942.
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  379.  @EmperorNefarious1  read somewhere that signal officers make good flash barriers.
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  380. AKA Dead Admiral Class Was taught to me by Kidd Class sailors
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  381. Episode 16
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  382. Midway was proud to have kept up her sorties with just her 2 old catapults and 3 arrester wires viice the 4 n 4 that everyone else had. Told to me by her GW1 V-2 bos'n and then by her last V-2 bos'n. (V-2 has the Catapult and arresting gear ABEs). Would not be surprised if it were literal, the non- skid on the landing area gets beaten up pretty bad by the tires and the cables.
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  383. Oh believe me, they are out there and likely some of the "dislikes". Had a little back and forth with someone who insisted and was totally convinced that it was copied from the Hughes H-1 in the comment section of the original A6M installment.
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  384. A towed gyro chopter fits every technical definition of a kite. And yes they were used for scouting from u boats.
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  385. Pees in a pod :)
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  386. Typhoon Cobra & sequel, both literal Kamikazes
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  387. And DDG 1000? Ok, radar cross section for that particular disaster.
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  388. Re: Helena & Juneau - one loss for CAPT G Hoover. Thus I must add a win Re: Night battle illumination - a few hours earlier on Fri Nov 13, CAPT G Hoover, "setting your enemy's ship on fire is the best method of illumination " (Maybe not the exact words, but you get the message)
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  389.  @hailexiao2770  IMO, yes the Kiev counts.
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  390. Well, this had taken an interesting turn. For a scientific radio article on falling cats: starts at 25:45 (actually, the entire episode and series is a great listen). https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/episodes/91726-falling
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  391. The LCS of their times
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  392.  @kemarisite  if anyone else wrote that comment, I would not believe. How is that even possible? That's a ready locker's worth (to be generous).
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  393.  @xerxeskingofking  USN did use dyes in shells during WW2. The first example that comes to mind is that USS San Francisco was firing green dye shells at the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal and the evidence left by the green dye proved that she shot USS Atlanta.
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  394. You haven't been playing the "take a drink every time Drach says "However"" game every Sunday?😀
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  395.  Erik Heath  as commented on already, and clearly discussed in previous episodes, there was a limit to carrier tonnage. Since a carrier is really a host platform for the air group (aka CVW), the IJN could have done right to develope a bigger pipeline to train aviators and have a robust reserve pool.
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  396.  @johnfisher9692  check out Linfamy, there is a very interesting story of white rice and the IJN
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  397.  @hughfisher9820 HMS Glorious gets caught on an evacuation mission with a deck full of land based hurricanes and got gunned down. 23ish months later the Lexington sails into combat with her 8 x 8 inch heavy cruiser countering guns removed. Saratoga would do the same later that year. Those WW2 admirals made some strange decisions with their combat experience.
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  398.  @ethanjacques-n9p-catch21luck7  Hi, pardon the last reply because it was wrong. I had followed US cruiser practice of placing an elevator and a hangar at and under the rear deck. This was the case with the Cleveland CA. After reviewing diagrams of the BBs that you asked about, the same space were used as crew quarters.
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  399.  @davidhunt7427  Thank you for asking the question. I found this on the web and learned something new 🙂 https://www.quora.com/How-was-caustic-soda-formed-in-the-oxygen-rebreather-on-Richard-best-s-Dauntless-during-the-Battle-of-Midway
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  400. And add the shoe batteries at Cape May, New Jersey and Cape Henlopen Deloware. Drive from philly / camden (Olympia & BB NJ) to Cape May, take the car ferry to Lewes Delaware. You are minutes from the forts from the ferry landings. Then an easy 2 hours to Baltimore for the Frigate Constellation and some submarine and another famous fort. Then to DC for the Smithsonian air and space, Navy museum, Yamati test plate and many civil war forts.
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  401. I would say, start in Boston and work your way south, Boston, NY, NJ/philly, Delaware, Maryland/ Baltimore and DC. Bonus points if you make it to North Carolina.
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  402. Re: Level bombing from a torpedo bomber. The USN TBD Devestater was fitting for level bombing and had a set of bomb bay like doors in its belly for bomb sight aiming Source: Monograms 1:48 model kit 🤓
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  403. A public service link to a wartime documentary on the production of Bofors 40mm in the US. https://youtu.be/yVeLsJtId_g
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  404.  @ph89787  Oh! Did not know of the Tribal, thanks! Agreed, from HMAS (lost at Savo) to USS CA (crippled by torp as honorably mentioned in this video) and then conversion to CAG, but the name ended up as an LCS 😥. This is written with all the blood, sleepless nights and "love" I have for the LCS's. Additionally, I had a model (Revell?) of the CAG years ago.
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  405. Dreaming of the live stream where Drach, Justin, Dr. Clark, Jamie and Bizmark does a Mystery Science Theater on Midway 2019.
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  406. THANK YOU! Setting a reminder to watch this movie at the 80th anniversary of the raid
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  407.  @jimtaylor294  best left unmentioned.
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  408.  @rintae4021  your escape clause "of course I could have missed them" is accepted. Yes, a trimaran CV has been considered and most recently in the paper designs for the CVN21 project. Why did it not go forward? Developmental cost, construction cost, infrastructure cost, drydock limits and time. Considering that CVN 75 costed $3.5B and grew to $7.5B in a decade for CVN77, another doubling was considered unaffordable. Fun fact, CVN78 would end up Congressionally Capped at approx $13B and will well exceed that before becoming deployment ready. Separately, the Panamax requirement for USN warship design was cancelled during WW2, the Midway Class aircraft carriers were designed without this restriction. Today, the size limit of a USN CVN is the Newport News drydock in which it is constructed. Can the USN take a few lessons from the RN and build a bigger ship or enable more from industry? This commenter would like to see that.
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  409. MO as in AIMD?
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  410.  @Orvilleh69  from tunnel to jeti, pax to cnal, we must have mutual acquaintances.
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  411.  @Orvilleh69  I had worked with many division officers who rotated thru N A V A I R. Had some special flight test on 73 early in 2019.
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  412. First learned about the Sedylitz from finding the "Profile" booklet at a used book store whilst in middle school. Still have it 🙂
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  413. Thank you dear sir for answering my question on the T- Class torpedoe salvos!
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  414. I do share some of your frustration on the naming of several CVNs. Would you mind qualifying Ford's "trumped up navy record"? Edit: wasn't trying to start a fight, and very much wanting to learn more. The GRF and the class is near and dear to me
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  415.  @robertsullivan4773  hello kindred spirit. Several decades beyond, I watched destroyers sail under the 3 bridges from Pike St or whilst riding the N train to classes near Ft Greene and then Jay St. Now my scrap book includes invitations for the christenings and commissionings from Reagan to Kennedy. Ford was a good naval officer, many air crews benefited from his early service, and so did the crew of the Monterey - which he volunteered for. He could have stayed state side, but chose to sail into harm's way. The names America and United States were front runners and I totally wanted for Enterprise for the first in class honor. The latest naming decision made me move on to other endeavors.
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  416. Dusts off the proposal and re place "Torpedoes" with " Vertical Launch missile Modules"
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  417. Yes, and they used to have vacation houses next to each other in a place call Zel Am See, Austria. A few decades later a bunch of unruly American "brothers" showed up and decided to build a bar, and named it "The Screaming Eagles". An obscure TV show was made about some of this, but somehow left out the part about the bar.
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  418.  @Vespuchian  radials and inlines and turbo props all experience the effects of torque. The drive shaft twisting the propeller will have a counter action to the engine mount and air frame.
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  419. Well, some froggy flag stated that, when given such an ULTIMATUM, no fleet commander of any nation would response with anything but NO. Maybe that was said before the end of the war.
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  420.  @Dreska_  you are welcome! I think that it is great that WoW and WT have made so many people interested in history and the hardware that made history. Also we should also thank Sar Jim, Frank Demaris and many other commenters to the channel who are always sharing their wealth of naval knowledge.
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  421. That wasn't the real mine voice! What have you done with the mine voice?
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  422.  @nikolailucyk  you mean like this? https://images.app.goo.gl/Vu5ckQ9zUexxC67Q6
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  423.  @82726jsjsufhejsjshshdjso  second night Naval Battle of Guadalcanal must be near the top of that list.
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  424.  @stevevalley7835  the Lex? I had the pleasure of having worked with a bunch of her crusty ABs. One claims that he once had an ensign Michelle Howard to train, in her pre VCNO days. Most of my brain cells are spent on the V's (esp V2 & V3) and AIMD.
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  425.  @blackbirdsr71  good news, it was covered in one of the earliest dry docks. I think the question was "what are those booms. .." Edit: found it! DD 1 no less!😃
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  426.  @Sir.suspicious  one good candidate would be the Nuclear cruise, Enterprise, Bainbridge and Long Beach in 1964. Always love the picture of the 3 ships and the sailors spelling out E=MC2 on Enterprise's flight deck. The picture was on the cover of Time Magazine Feb 1965, along with an in depth article and a 3 page fold out of that classic picture.
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  427.  @stevelenz8493  there is a whole episode on Kamchaka.🙂
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  428.  @stevelenz8493 how was that omitted? 😮 best wishes!
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  429.  @connormclernon26  a small contribution to your question on ship launch traditions. The Greeks were storied to place coins under the mast at the time they were striked for good fortune from the sea. To this day, the USN in an extension of that tradition, places momentals under the island of aircraft carriers when they are landed onto the flight deck. The first commanding officer will provide to this offering, his aviator wings. President Bush (Sr)'s aviator wings are on CVN 77, which also carries his name.
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  430.  @AndrewPalmerMTL  Hyman Rickover would be near the top. However, he is of the cold war era and beyond the time period of this series. Very much look forward to Drach getting to your question.
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  431.  @Foxttellio  HMS Inconceivable, her moto will be "Have Fun Storming" 🤓
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  432.  @atomicsquirrel6457  yes, even total they are antique pieces. Not useful as a weapon (in USN 40mm ish, 3 foot barrel, sliding breech, anti boat stuff from the beginning of the last century, end of previous century) . An old gun that can still make a loud BOOM.
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  433. They tried w the Arado 231
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  434.  @desert_jin6281  but there were no daytime surface actions after early 42 (Java, Aleutian & Samar being the exception).
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  435.  @captainobvious9233  because they did try to put the Hornet under tow to capture it as a trophy. But she was such an obvious flaming white elephant, that even the IJN made the sensible decision to sink it.
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  436.  @aliceosako792  at night, 6 Fleischer's will do, no losses. Clear day, double it and maybe one lucky strike until the other 11 Fletchers close to Torp range. In both cases, basically, close under cover from optical directed gunnery and shower your target with 5" and torpedoes. That's 60 to 120 torpedoes, good luck. If you want to picture what can happen, a good reference is the naval battle of guadalcanal, the destroyers got so close to the battleships that return fire was in- effective. A second reference is Samar for how hard it 's to hit a DD with BB guns. Add the Naval battle of Casablanca for the effective use of smoke screens. Lastly, DD trace their lineage to torpedo boats, as in destroyer/ torpedoboat flotilla and their purpose is to close in and sink battleships.
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  437.  @jj-nv1kf  was this a Gregory Peck, Roger Moore and David Niven movie? And the polo team was a bunch of pensioners of the Calcutta Light Horse (a gin and tonic club)?
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  438.  @jj-nv1kf  No? Not 3 interned German merchant ships in the port of Gao? The movie version was "The Sea Wolves".
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  439.  @jj-nv1kf  did a quick search on the film and it was "based" on the book "Boarding Party" and the ships were in Mormugao harbor in the Portuguese territory of Goa. Now I want to know the real story!
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  440. So sad when a good question evolves into a fantasy what if drill.
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  441.  @kimleechristensen2679  good to see that the conversation had moved on with good points raised. I would be very impressed if the TDS did not progressively degrade with each hit and if machinery or weapon systems did not go down with repeated shock events. On the question of the feasibility of achieving enough hits in the 4 dwindling strikes, were there enough torpedoes available on Ark Royal? Whether men, machinery, torps, bombs, bullets, canned tomatoes and/or margins of stability and buoyancy are exhausted, the surface units are going to go in for their licks 😁
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  442.  @unlimitedx53  funny, I had some free time and bicycled over to that today. The plate is 26 inches thick. 2 inches from the back side, there is a distinct broader, a transition between ductility and hardness. From the front, there were spider cracks on the surface radiating about 18 inches from the circumference of the hole. The cracks branched out into several fingers. On the face, it appears as if dinner plate sized "flint" shards were ejected, it was difficult to determine exactly how deep this went, it could have been 3 or 4 inches. The core was smeared, pushed in the direction of the shell and the hole was smooth. Next time, I'll measure the diameter of the hole. I was not aware of the effect of "extruding" the penetrating shell to a smaller diameter. About 10 ft away were 2 APC shells for the 18.1's. 50 ft away were 2 plates and a propeller from the South Dakota. One plate was about 12 inches thick and had cement backing and was stud (3 - 4 inch dia) mounted to a 1 1/2" hull plate. This must be a belt plate. The other plate was about 6 inches thick and looks like it took a non penetrating medium caliber shell hit at a shallow angle. There were radiating scars, all were ductile. Interestingly, there were inch long lines all over the surface of the plate, like giant ice crystals.
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  443.  @unlimitedx53  from this eyeball I can confirm that the shell impacted at a right angle to the face. Not sure what the real slope was on the turret face, but at some range, an incoming shell is going to be impacting at right angle to it. Edit: look at some pictures of the Yamato and the turret faces looked closer ro 45 degrees. I wonder what range will the 16 50s plunge a shell at that angle? I could see that for test purposes a control point would be to compare impacts at a given angle.
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  444.  @unlimitedx53  was that 35 and 30 degrees to the plate or to horizon? The later will give an impact angle of only be 10 to 15 degrees, not much. Although not perfect, the test set up may be such that it can be compared with similar previous tests and future tests. Basically, follow an instruction, repeat the process and compare the observations.
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  445.  @kimleechristensen2679  had to do a little digging here too and Google it's not helping me either. Although carrier ordnance load is flexible depending on the mission, torps tend to get their own magazines thus there should be a maximum load. I'm not sure why 100 seems to be a lot ro me, however the number of torp sorties that you have proposed does "feel" feasible. I would very much like to be educated on the mission capability facts on not just the Ark Royal but other carriers too.
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  446.  @kemarisite  Frank, thanks for the report. Hard to read on a phone screen during a flight 🤓 Would appreciate more when you find them.
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  447. After reading the Ukon report, I got to wonder how much juicing up Dahlgren did in order to punch thru like that? Plus what does the rest of the plate look like? Would be very interested to see the results if there was a first shot?
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  448. I think that it was the name of the coaler that detached w Emden.
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  449.  @grumpyoldman-21  another rhyme in history, cool .
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  450. The closest might be the Worcester Class. 3 X twin 6 inch fore and aft.
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  451.  @ShawdsterEP  night action at the First Naval Battle of Guadalcanal,13 Nov 1942. 2 x Kongo class and escorting destroyers vs USN cruisers and destroyers at knife fight distances. Hiei was disabled and was a sitting duck for the morning air raids and later scuttled. Factoid: it was also a Friday
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  452.  @The_New_IKB  USN LCS of today. Just shy of 4000 tons and will plane at 45+ knots.
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  453.  Tom Sanders  "Neutrality Patrol"
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  454.  @moose2577  5 min guide #176
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  455.  @johnciccone  Swan of the East. Edwin Hoyt. Abridged from (and this also) The Last Cruise of the Emden, same author.
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  456. 3 months?
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  457.  joanne chon  what .... oh it's a joke, silly me.
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  458.  @atomicsquirrel6457  yo bro!
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  459.  @glennricafrente58  terminology wise, "recover" is used instead of "land". Recover can also be used for aircraft on ships.
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  460.  @joshthomas-moore2656  on picking any officer to magically be transported into command of your enemy. I'll pick Halsey to be exactly where he was at Leyte. Callahan to be exactly where he was that November night in 42. No wait, Callahan in place of Oldendorf at Saint Bernadino! The Japanese still wouldn't have a chance, but just think of the chaos and fratricide on the side of the USN. Then Nagumo for Ziggy Sprague off Samar, waiting to fully arm all his airplanes with anti ship weapons while center force zeros in.
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  461.  @kemarisite  friendly suggestion to check the names of the explosive filters in your otherwise insightful post
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  462.  @JJCPaul  The Royal Navy T-Class.
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  463. Thank you for this carrier design guide.
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  464.  @Kordzi387euren  no, I did not do much reading on modern and semi modern AA, this can not help with any links. My comment on 40mm Bofor is true for WW2 era shells for USN. With the longevity and variety of the system, other fusing options would reasonably exist.
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  465.  @Tevildo  darn cats (birds and shin guards as well) finding their way into a good story again 🤓. Do you mind if I made an adjustment to my initial comment? To read, "... there were fewer entries between "quirt" and "quit"". The original text will be available with a nod to you.
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  466.  @Tevildo  6 days and 114K views later, and it seems like no one else connected with the comment. A video on Norway and the invasion of WW2, yet offering 1 and 1 did not reap Quisling.
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  467. Interesting, the Freedom Class LCS rolls into the turn (3,500 tons). Stay on subject dear friends 🤓
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  468. The Navy: these 16 inch guns don't fit. BuOrd: No you The Navy: These 1.1's suck BuOrd: .... etc
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  469. Making you think again about which location and ships were left out (in a friendly way 🤓
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  470.  @kevinhoffman6592  yup, still have it and the Profile Series Warships booklet 😁 Pssss ... check the title
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  471.  @ArcticTemper  for a ship of any size over a PT boat, pretty bad. Militaty seaplanes did not have the capacity to rescue that many people per airplane and expect to take-off. After the Indianapolis survivors were found, at least one flying boat landed (against orders) and ended up as a large life boat. It was pretty much wrecked from flying again even after the rescued were picked up by a ship. Landing a sea or float plane in open ocean was not easy. Scout float planes over come this by landed in the flattened wake of the attending warship. An alternative system were B17 (and maybe B24s) with the ability to air drop a whale boat. For downed aircrews in ones and twos, seaplanes were well suited.
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  472.  @johnshepherd8687  was pondering the same question. Savo and the First Night Battle of Guadalcanal were failures in leadership, and failure to exploit radar (plus other failures such as you described). So if the new cruisers came with the same commanders and thinking... then the results may be the same. Now for Tasafaranga, radar was exploited and with good leadership so whether the USN cruisers were treaty or post treaty, they would still eat a bag of torpedoes. However, would they suffer less dramatically damage (not losing bows) or sinking?
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  473. With the advantages on 6 vs 8 inch guns on cruisers freshly discussed. Did the Mogamis make a bad decision switching from 6.1 to 8? Imaging a Mogami Class plank owner looking at a Brooklyn Class light show with envy.
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  474.  @johnshepherd8687  yup, bad tactical disposition, would not matter which heavy cruisers were used.
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  475. Romani ..... Et..Eti .... domus....
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  476.  @palisadenhonko4962  and Bush Jr. was in the Air Force Reserves.
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  477.  @lio5624  5 Min Guide 66
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  478.  @crobert79  many fratricide incidents for USN subs in WW2. I'll dig some examples up later when I'm near my book references.
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  479.  @sarjim4381  and what do you guys think of what happened to CAPT Gib Hoover?
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  480.  @sarjim4381  What I remember from a few old books was that Hoover, CO of cruiser Honolulu and senior officer left alive after the night battle off Guadalcanal, got blamed for not directing a search and recovery of survivors after the Juneau blew up. The loss of the ship with the sensational death of the 5 Sullivan brothers was tragic, but it had been written (Samuel Morrison) that it was a personal grudge from an officer on the area commander's staff that cased blame on Hoover and resulted with his being removed from command and disgrace. This is as much as i know. Whether this was truly a grudge, another case of scapegoating and the USN looking to hang someone, is on the table for insight/ discussion.
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  481.  @sarjim4381  thank you for the elaborate details. Did not know that Halsey was involved. Which brings up a related personal story. Many years ago, i had a friendly and lively chat with the then CO of USS The Sullivans, he made his point clear that (1) the name of his ship is "The Sullivans" (2) naming a DD Halsey was inappropriate because Halsey did not care about the lives of destroyer crews (e.g. The Typhoon) (3) Hoover and McVay were wrongly blamed.
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  482.  @CharlesStearman  I going away to work that out with a pencil.
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  483.  @kemarisite  definitely do understand the effects of muscle velocity and barrel length. The curious part is why so many naval rifles of different bores had 25, 38 and 50 calibers? These numbers seem to repeat e.g. 5-38 &16-38 then 5-50 & 16-50.
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  484. Drake, .30-06 is pronounced "thirty Oh-six" for .30 caliber, adapted in year 1906. 😀 Almost as funny as "A-Hax" vice "A-Jax". Never mind, I've posted in the wrong place, there is a whole thread on this.
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  485.  @RemoteViewr1  peace
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  486. Totally agree with Philly and Camden. And while there, raise a sad pint to SS United States and the USN bone yard. I would completely skip Norfolk and Newport News as a foreigner, unless you must see another Iowa class or gawk at carrier row. If you must drive down to Norfolk from Philly, stop in Baltimore for the USS Constellation and some sub😐. Then a stop at the Museum of the US Marines, and Williamsburg for some sailing ships. All 3 places are on interstate 95 and 64 on your way from Philly to Norfolk. Oh and then there is DC (selfie with the Yamato plate) and all the civil war forts (climb on some 12 inch muzzle loaders at Fort Foote) Then of course if you want coastal forts, take the alternative route from philly thru cape may and cape henlopen (16 x 50 on a coastal mounting) then to Baltimore. If only you were a US citizen .... Ok, enough babbling and thread jacking
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  487.  @CharlesStearman  a single spot small boy is not in the class of a "battle carrier".
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  488. 😁 it would be hilarious with 3 twin turrets at either end but stacked on top of each other. (In tribute to the stacking casmates).
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  489. And seriously, would you go hexagonal like Blucher or super firing & stepped like Atlanta or alternating like Takao?
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  490.  @JonarusDraconius  wouldn't you want 6 guns ahead as you charge in leading a flotilla of destroyers? And 6 guns covering as you run away afterwards?
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  491.  @JonarusDraconius  exactly! 6 guns covering as you run away to tell the enemy's disposition. Oh the Omaha's, a layout only their designer can love. After a while, they are starting to make sense.
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  492.  @JonarusDraconius  depends on the tactical situation, e.g. whether or not you are taking fire, esp from something(s) that can catch you.
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  493. I did enjoy River Plate. Loved it when the officers read the blinker message from Cumberland "with anticipation!". I LMAO when ever the model GS was used and it had the USN cruiser hull number painted on the bow. For some weird miss guided movie "continuity".
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  494. Re: San Jacinto, however it was declared at the moment the bottle breaks on the hull.
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  495.  @peterson7082  thank you for your polite clarification. As for CVN81, sadly, none of these 3 name were ever mentioned as a candidate.
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  496. The television mini-series of Woulk's War & Rememberence will always get my vote as the best cinematic depliction of the Battle of Midway. During its production, more aircraft were used than that 70s Midway movie, never mind the CGI of 2019.
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  497. Last time I was this early, Ersatz was for ships and not Coka Cola
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  498. ​ @majkel2218 you mean like Yahagi and Nagano, which really had issues. Really, Japan was fighting with their pre war ships (accumulated over several decades) and the war time manufacturing did not have the capacity to crank out larger hulls)
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  499. Everytime JP5 gets down graded, main propulsion gets sweet sweet love.
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  500. Separately, CVN78 not only eliminated steam for the catapults, but also for the gallery, which went to electric as well. As for the pressure of saturated steam, 14psi is atmospheric & thus really low temperature, 100C or just at boiling point. 14psi above gage is but 120C. Edit: perhaps 140psi which is just above 350F?
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  501.  @michaelmcneil4168  Frau Blucher?
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  502. The painting of the SBD's and exploding IJN aircraft carrier. I wonder if the fire ball was influenced by the iconic photo of the USS Shaw explosion? Especially, as that photo was often mistaken for the Arizona's explosion? Whether the painter was messaging a payback/vengeance for Pearl Harbor is worth thinking about.
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  503. Good point! Would it make sense to shut the beech on an empty case or a special case made to form a water right seal? Separately, I do know that some guns (USN 5/25) got chrome lined bores when sent to submarine service.
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  504.  @TheParkerrrrrr6  yes USS Princeton 1844, experimental gun explosion which almost took out the SECNAV CVL-23 WW2, bombed, fire, followed by torp magazine explosion, sank her and wrecked havoc on an assisting cruiser alongside. CG-59 Gulf War, underwater mine explosion.
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  505.  @ywe3  technically able to do it doesn't mean it's a good deal in the long run. The result would be a white elephant that cost to much to crew, operate and maintain and then you will have a single asset ready for tasking 1/3 of the time. The true reality is that 3 Ticos mean that at any one time 1 ship and crew is deployed while the other 2 are getting maintenance and modernization and the sailors are home. The sum total of crew required is fewer than the NJ. Recruiting, training and retaining is a BIG factor. Fuel, parts, beans, bullets, supporting and accompanying ships, shore infrastructure, class rooms...etc. These are just some of the factors that must be balanced when planning a NAVY. And keeping and adding VLS to the NJ is clearly a bad investment. No qualifying/escape button statement presented.
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  506. Agree, they are not much to look at from the surface. At best they look like a pair of break waters, a stationary floating pier or an aqua farm for kelp or bivalves, it's like a roofless car wash bay that you can park the ship within. The one at NOB is near the mouth of the Elizabeth River. If you know what to look for, it shows up on Google maps and looks (humorously) like the symbol for a capacitor.
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  507. Thank you! Should you be in DC after this pandemic, there is a 1:24 scale cutaway Gearing model at the USN museum in the Washington Navy Yard.
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  508. And we're darn happy about it. My first beer, miss you Gong Gong ❤ (maternal grandpa)
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  509. We sank a truck
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  510.  @rocketguardian2001  thank you for sharing, I did not know that. I did and will always LMAO for I-16 torpedoing Santa Monica Pier and sinking an M-3 tank. 😃 Added: Spielberg's comedy movie "1941"
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  511. Drachinifel and Naplamratta also had 2 episodes of naval fortresses.
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  512.  @weldonwin  😃 thanks for clarifying, I thought that my memory was going. Had been wondering about the pronunciation of the RN ship name since the Graf Spree video when Drach went back and forth.
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  513. Poor Wolverine and Sable 😥
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  514.  @stug41  there are old stories that the cobble stones used in street paving in places like Boston and NYC were ship's ballast that were not needed for the trip back to Europe.
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  515.  @jwenting  the P-26 looks like a dinosaur compared to the clean and cantilever winged Claude or Nate. The P-26 was state of the art when it was new, but five years in 1930s aviation tech is like 5 years in IT today. May I offer the P-35 as a closer A5M or Ki-27 contemporary?
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  516. Metric 🤣
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  517.  @JDWDMC  always thought that 7 days was based on 1/4 of a lunar cycle
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  518. Cool, it's also a ship of interest to me which started when I found the "Profile series" booklet on her while in high school (still have it). It's a nice short reference and comes up on Ebay every so often.
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  519. And an Arado floatplane
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  520.  @davem2369  yes, here is what was pulled from an old William Green reference: there were only 6 built; the endurance requirement was 4 hrs; they suffered during trials even in calm waters; The dismantling or assembly took 6 mins; and the whole process from surfacing to launch or recovery and submerged again was 10 mins.
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  521. Looking at wartime footage of CV and BB under air attack and the meager volume of spray created behind the ship, makes me thinks that it was more like this https://youtu.be/Zvzld04Q5XI Edit: added... what a tie in! That ship was named for a Santa Cruz veteran!
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  522.  @juanmc5731 was thinking about that book, I could not push thru it and it unfortunately ended up as backing material for my electric drill and then a bb stop. SRLY. The stupid things we do as teens....
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  523.  @richardmeyeroff7397  the BAE UK QE CVF design had them. The winning design has "conventional" shafts.
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  524.  @ryuukeisscifiproductions1818  why only displace your way thru when you can plane? Even today, the Freedom Class LCS will plane and did 50+ knots on trial. With scifi materials you can certainly plane bigger and faster. Develope the sci fi device that will make the water in front of your ship disappear, so you don't have to push it out of the way. Create a device that changes the physical properties of the water around your ship so that it is no longer limiting your motion.
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  525.  @harryRiedl  although initially necessitated by early jets, an angle deck will also be beneficial to piston powered WW2 CVW. The impact will be to operating safety and efficiency. 1) Every landing will be like you were the first aircraft to land with a clear deck. Therefore the difficulty level is more favorable and the boarding rate will increase, with fewer wave offs and bolters and fewer mishaps. Increase boarding rate will decrease time dedicated to landing and get your aircraft turned around for the next mission sooner. 2) with the added safety margin, the recovery speed and or recovery weight can also go up. This will permit more bring back for fuel and ordnance. Conserving your resources, while allowing you to load up at the beginning of the mission 3) The angle deck provides a second fly off area to launch new sorties 4) Because the ships were small compared with today, the limited amount of deck space and number of planes needed on the flight deck is going to make the ability to operate from both the bow and the waist like today, difficult, but it can be done. 5) every advantage helps. 6) if you have any questions or in need of clarifications, please do ask.
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  526.  @richardmeyeroff7397  the propeller pods? They were nacelle like and hung from pylons approximately where normal propellers were, not very different from commercial applications. It was very early 2000's, sadly, BAE did not win the contract. One debate that often get brought up is the vulnerability of external pods to damage, vs the advantage of reduce machinery hull penetration and reduce area exposed to damage.
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  527. And if we stay nautical and look beyond names of ships, then Richard Parker perhaps?
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  528.  @e.a.prince8895  Spruance ordered the US fleet eastwards in order to keep distance and to avoid a night surface action. So if the IJN did go and start the chase, they would just be running tired and exposed in the morning when the air attacks come.
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  529.  @kemarisite  buy why? You have a salvo of super sonic known fixed trajectory warhead in bound 10 miles In one CS update, the zone of impact for each shell is known. 5 will be no factor, should you shoot at the 6th? Maybe, what is the range at intercept? Train fire, optimistically range of intercept is less than 4 miles away. Now does that deflection push enough to miss? What about after learning all 6 projectiles splash points the ship takes over and automaticall change course to get out of the way of the biggest risk shells?
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  530. On whether Type 96 25mm are light or medium AA? For your consideration, another interpretation could be the type of mounting, the triple mounts that have training and elevation via a wheel and gear system, esp with director control would be considered a medium AA. While the single gun on a pedestal with free swinging, would be a light AA. This is similar to the German MG34 & MG42. When on a bipod, they are light machine guns, while on the complicated tripod, they are heavy machine guns.
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  531. This was on such an informative streak
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  532. And Sable
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  533. So true and we had to wait until the USN to name a fighting ship Doris ... Miller. And that name will be gracing CVN80 within this decade. Oh, and did I write "grace", USN also has the Grace Hopper.
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  534.  @raverdeath100  totally agree, you can't flip a page of Homer without seeing a name repurposed to follow HMS
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  535. Yes, the spinnaker adds lift to counter the bow downwards moment it makes.
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  536.  @bkjeong4302  totally agree with you. Put the resources on carriers as the striking force, cruisers and destroyers for protection. Add a good fleet of Subs as longer range screen and long range anti shipping. And i do want to keep battleships for bombardment and sometimes that bombardment need to come with speed. Plus sometimes you need a counterforce against a surface threat while keeping other set pieces where you need them. Diversity and balance can be a good thing and provide the fighter with options as long as you can afford it (and USN in 43, 44, 45 could). No other navy could have done the same. For every other navy, the bb should be the first to trade away.
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  537.  @gerardmdelaney  to the bridle
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  538.  @gerardmdelaney  and think of the poor AB that had to crawl under all that.
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  539.  @gerardmdelaney  yes, oh yes, and more prayers were heard and the Lord gave the dirty and sleepless the nose gear launch and deleted the bridle and the bridle arrester.
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  540. For those who are wondering, current USN catapults connect to the aircraft via the tow bar to the nose strut. Prior to this a V shape bridle cable was used and the point of the V connects to the cat. The 2 ends were hooked onto hard points under the wings. The dirty job for the junior enlisted was to crawl under the wings, on his back to make the connection....right under the jet intake.
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  541.  @desert_jin6281  OMG, did not know a "window" shell like that existed! It's chaff, "window" was the initial name for the radar masking strips of aluminum foil. The "2 stacks of metal foil" is scattered by the "expelling charge" and forms a cloud of fluttering reflectors which the enemy radar can not look thru. I am so spoiled by dedicated chaff / countermeasure dispensers....🙁
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  542. We are only a few days away from the anniversary.
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  543. Re: Lexington Class carrier emerging from a smoke screen. I believe that it is featured in the 1932 movie Hell Divers. Actual naval exercise footage was used and I distinctively remember an aerial laid smoke screen and that the Lex or Sara were a central piece of the exercise.
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  544. 300 dinghys vs 1 of these https://www.cnn.com/travel/amp/hong-kong-giant-duck/index.html
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  545. Anyone know what class RN ships were in the first Thunderball movie? Was it a Daring class or later?
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  546. Singer sewing machine company made 1911 pistols
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  547. IBM made m1 carbines International Harvester made M1 Garand rifles Chrysler made Bofor 40mm AA Goodyear made Corsair fighters Grumman made buses (1980s)
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  548.  @taivaankumma  yeah Brooklyn had it's own swagger even before the hipsters and gentrifiers jacked up the prices. And about the navy, there was this thing called the Brooklyn Navy Yard, so yeah...there was also love. 😁
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  549.  @echotango9384 " hat " trick correct? Suzutsuki, lost her bow 3 times and survived the war. 1st by submarine torpedo, 2nd by mining, 3rd by air attack. IJN I-19, scored a hat trick w a single torpedo salvo. Check out the Wasp Guide. As for hat trick of wars, many USN ships served WW2, Korea and Vietnam. Some Iowa Class got 4 w Gulf War 1. Midway got the 3 w Korea, Vietnam and GW 1.
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  550.  @BatteryH1862  FFGX....etc etc etc
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  551. Yes, and with propaganda posters, but of course there were🙁
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  552. Itinery recommendation in north to south order on the east coast: 1) Boston & Falls Cove, USS Massachusetts, USS Constitution, some DD Drive 4 hours 2) NYC - USS Intrepid, Sailing ships at South Street Seaport. Drive 3.5 hours 3) Philiadelphia / Camden USS New Jersey, SS United States, USS Olympia, de-comm'ed reserved fleet. Drive 2 hours to Baltimore 4) USS Constellation, Fort McHenry Since 1 hour to DC 5) DC, Smithsonian air and space (both downtown and Dulles... if only anyone can get into Silverhill) Washington Naval Museum, Fort Foote, Fort Washington. Drive 1.2 hours to Quantico 6) Museum of USMC Drive 1.2 hours to 7) Jamestown/ Williamsburg Drive 1 hr to Newport News & Norfolk Another 3 or 4 hours to USS North Carolina. Realistically, can you bear more than that? Yes, I've driven NYC and south legs separately and it actually flows with almost zero detour.
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  553. w o o o w
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  554. Dear RN, Some simple words to live by on 40mm Bofors. Never have a single when you can have a twin. Never have a twin when you can have a quad. Never have a quad when you can have MORE quads Yours Truely USN P.S. regarding that 6 gun mount, there is this concept known as K.I.S.S.
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  555.  @connannbarbarin3033  Yes and yes Joint high speed vessel, LCS 2 Independence Class
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  556. Where is the iludium Q-38 explosive space modulator when you need it?
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  557. You will have to answer to the coca cola company. ....precious bodily fluids.....
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  558. And the USN does admit that it's the first tumble home design in 100 years.
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  559. How many smart phones did you go thru in the last 10 years? 🤓
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  560. And imagine being the skipper of the US sub facing a court marshal for wasting his torpedoes on a target that must have had a secret Torp defense system. TRUTH. Btw: ther first salvo disabled the whaler's druce train, so yeah those sailors were feeling like mighty sitting ducks.
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  561. From the US and my choice is the IJN Yukikazi (Snow wind).
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  562. The long anticipated episode. OMG OMG ... ALAS will need to wait until the evening to savour.
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  563. G.D. Spradlin's Spruence was the best Spruence🤓
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  564.  @MartinCHorowitz  it's not too late! HMS QE had a Robin cruise, maybe Prince of Wales can haz Batman Cruz 🙃
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  565.  @steamroddsroundhouse2080  I think that wooden ship vs steel capitol ship was address in a very recent Drach Drydock episode.
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  566.  @rerd6614  approximately, how far into the movie was this scene? I'm totally curious and want to check it out
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  567.  @michaelkneringer3194  you made my day!
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  568. The PBY is an amazing aircraft performing many duties including search and rescue. Often in that role, they were able to fly home overloaded with the adrifted. The PBY that landed amongst the Indianapolis survivors literally became a large lifeboat, and as such many men were rescued from the perilous ocean. The men and the crew of the PBY were then transferred to a rescue ship for transit to safe harbor. The plane was so damaged that it could not fly and was scuttled. The context is that that PBY was a critical step in the rescue of those men, it was not an end to end implement.
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  569. Looks like the designers and with user feedback, decided that having the ability to fire all forward turrets directly forward at short range targets to not be that necessary. Also could be that it was not very tactically useful and worth the tradeoff in topside weight and moment.
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  570. The OLD S Class boats with the MK 10 torpedoes carried their weight and some. The heavy cruiser Kako being one victim.
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  571. Hurray! Washington Navy Yard got a shout out in this odessy.
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  572.  @Karl-Benny  perhaps Americans are happier, I visited a small city in Iowa during a long bicycle ride. Just happened that it was Nordic Week and the streets were full of music and the flags of Sweden, Demark, Norway, Finnland all strung next to each other. I had no idea of the tension until reading all this. Figured that there will always be regional stigmas, not this mich fire. I'd better do more reading.
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  573.  @armchairwarlord  a Saratoga with an angled deck operating F-4 does make an awesome picture. By the end of the war, she was pretty worn out and unfortunately, a one off in class and (soon) for main machinery. The Essex's were plentiful, the Midways were arriving, sailors were returning home. There was no need keep Saratoga in service.
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  574.  @964cuplove  John Cleese as Robin Hood in Time Bandits
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  575. The committee will power point and excel spreadsheet you into submission! Repent! Repent! Repent! 😁
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  576. As thick as his arm Just keep that hunk of bait away from the ladies
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  577. Thanks everyone for the additional info. That was me that asked about the T Class
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  578.  @lukedogwalker  Goeben
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  579.  @Mree17  very tragic to be done in that way. What would have happened if the Yamato openly challenged the USN to a battleship dual!
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  580.  @johnortmann3098  check out Drach's very recent Wednesday Rum Ration on the First Battle of Savo Island for more examples.
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  581.  @CTXSLPR  ??? Why not ??? You just need to build in an indexing control for the rotation. Think beyond that a lathe has to make non-stop 360 turns. Imagine that you are hand tapping, you make a fraction of a turn, back off to break/free the chips and make another fraction of a turn, rinse and repeat right? But instead of advancing down the hole, you only ever make the same amount of turn (same tool path) and you change the flutes of your tap so they are cutting deeper into the wall of the hole, evidently you'll end up with a thread that ends neatly at a step. Same concept with a lathe and threading tool, the rest is just details. I've never had to cut a welin breech thread, but that's how I would do it and it will work.
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  582.  @CTXSLPR  similar concept of cutting in steps. 12 hour clock, 11-12 is a slot, 12-1 big diameter, 1-2 mid dia, 2-3 small dia and 3-4 is a slot...etc. Start cutting at 12 and stop at 1. Back off the threading tool to mid-dia, and cut to 2 o'clock and stop. Back off to small dia and cut to 3. Adjust the tool to big dia, pass the slot and cut from 4 to 5, continue around the clock. QED
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  583.  @Nipplator99999999999  have you tried the book "Big E"? That is where I'll looks first. Nope, a quick scan did not show any mention of the incident.
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  584. Oh no not again....
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  585. Long awaited indeed! Some of us had been waiting since before there were drysock episodes!
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  586.  @eric24567  more follow up on belt armor. This time, it is from the Tennessee. The armour plates were 18ft high and 10 ft long (14"). The plates were held to the adjoining plate by keys and key ways. Studs 2.75 dia x 1/4 pitch were fastened 2 inches deep into the armour plate. The stud reduced down to 2 1/4 inch to penetrate thru the hull plate. Canvas and lead packing sealed the gaps in the hole, and a big washer and nut held it in place. The gap between the armor plate and the hull plate is about 1 1/2 inch and filled with concrete. One bolt was used for every 5 square feet of armor surface. Break From the Yamato test plate keys and key ways were used at adjoining plates. The corner joins are amazing to see and feel.
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  587. moore  range clocks were also discussed in DD 44
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  588. Drach, this is a movie question. With the anniversary of the Battle of Midway just days away, I though about my favorite media depictions of the battle. Both my favorites are relatively little known, first is from the television miniseries of Herman Woulk's War and Remembrance where we followed the father as the CO of Northampton and his son, an ensign in an SBD. The next was the recent Eternal Zero, a film which required no subtitles and brought you the perspective of the IJN CAP and the horror in Kaga's hangar bay, and that was only one scene, followed by Henderson Field, Philipine Sea and the end at Okinawa. What are some of your favorite movie scenes from "forgotten" movies? Cumberland's blinker message to Exeter "with great anticipation"? "I'll draw the fire from the flak towers"? "You can not kill a squadron"? That long take of the french commandos in "The Longest Day?" Campbeltown at "The Greatest Raid"? Or a tug boat desperately trying to unjam and train its gun onto a surface U boat. What does Drach remember fondly?
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  589.  @bananarchy07  the big clock like things are range clocks and lucky you, this was explained in depth in DD #44
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  590.  @crispico4727  what do you mean by frechette? A shot gun with many small darts or APFSDS? The former I's anti personnel at short range like grape shot, the latter is not useful against ships at range, neither is the former.
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  591.  @havokvladimirovichstalinov  dry dock 44 for the answer
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  592.  @98LuckyLuk  many reasons why hollow charge rounds are not useful in naval combat. Firstly, they don't like high velocity, it messes up the formation of the penetrating jet of plasma. Low velocity = short range. Second, length, the detonator has to be well in front of the charge to effect formation of the jet of plasma, and the faster the round is traveling... back to velocity. Diameter, the penetration is proportional to the diameter of the explosive cone which is limited by the diameter of the gun barrel. Fourth, terminal effect, the explosion is outside and only a jet of plasma penetrates the target, which is good at messing up a small confined interior space. To do damage to the inside of a warship, it is best to deliver the kaboom inside the ship.
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  593.  @kemarisite  wasn't the faster and higher torp dropouts enabled by a technology breakthrough? I think it was a lot of experimentation at Caltech that developed the plywood break away nose cone and fin box which enabled the improved attack profile. The TBF was well suited to the new profile. Judy's were good performers, but do not know if torpedoe tech improved for IJN. But sure knows that they were hitting USN ships regularly.
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  594. Thank you for calling them kites! Years ago while kite landsailing at Ivanpah, Ca, I got to witnessed a manned auto gyro kite being towed by an old station wagon.
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  595. Really? 5 of 6 ships sunk or crippled is good?
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  596.  @CFarnwide  Winner winner happy Thanksgiving dinner ! Yes, King said it and I honestly, can't be 100% on whether 1 is Marshall ☺️. A loggie I worked with always snuck it in her briefings.
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  597.  @craighagenbruch3800  the results were proven in practice when a RN flotilla bombarded a Japanese city, Kagoshima after one Brit was slain by a person of the Samurai class.
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  598.  @EXO9X8 but the channel "linfamy" does have an episode on the havoc a white rice diet caused to the Japanese Army and Navy, and it's entertaining too. But you might have already known.
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  599. Some of them are, I followed one and always enjoyed his band's concerts at picnics and holiday parties.
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  600. Hi Drachinifel, did you receive the pictures of the model ships? Just found a 1:48 scale CL Richmond, Guilded Age Columbia and coaler Neptune. Plus possibly a Lexington CB
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  601.  @marcinfrostymroz totally agree. Btw: what's your opinion on whether the chapter on the geisha girl was necessary to keep or dare I say add to the book? Did it make the book better or was it fluff ?
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  602. It's also funny how eventually there were 2 Verrazano Bridges to navigate under. One in NY harbor, the other in Newport Rhode Island.
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  603.  @Rdeboer  they look like river boats with this abreast arrangement! Maybe it'll mess with the gunners that are shooting at it 🤔
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  604. Almost certain that Philly/ Camden would be a must stop for the NJ and the Olympia. My guess would be Fall River, Camden/ Philly and Norfolk
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  605.  @simmysoon01  can you clarify on what you mean by "oil engine"? Oil fired steam boilers?
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  606. Yes, to the ones which are not related to topic of the episode. Which sadly are 99% of them.
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  607. Friendly hint that there is a Wednesday Rum Ration on AA. The key words are "enforcing the no fly zone"
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  608.  @esbendit  practice guns, many navies (including USN) used them. They were smaller (e.g less than 2 inch) and aligned with the main guns. Firing these smaller guns gave the gun directors practice in spotting and correcting for the fall of shot at a minor cost. Obviously, they used scaled down range tables and shot at towed targets. Edit: I can't find a picture of Richellou with these target practice guns. Sorry, I may have given you an incorrect answer. The use of smaller target practice guns as I described is a real thing.
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  609.  @esbendit  sorry, I can not be 100% sure what they are. Maybe they are what I was talking about https://images.app.goo.gl/UbLsraKAtuYVY2Li9 In this picture, you can see the small sub caliber guns strapped to the top of the main gun barrels for gunnery practice. There is some resemblance.
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  610.  @WhisperingDeath  you are extremely invested in your quest for and therefore deserve to learn the answer. To do that you will need to let go of some of your assumptions. The biggest is that the attacking force needs to be destroyed, or a hard kill. For that I suggest you think about what is a mission kill or a soft kill. Also, consider for the attacker, what is the probability of a hit and the effectiveness of the hit on the target. How would the P sub H be affected by the target maneuvering, target bearing relative to the attacker and sending shells and bullets. It is a combination of defensive actions, not just kinetics to render the attacker in-effective. You don't need 100 guns and shoot down the entire attacking force. (Here is where I must add that the unhindered P sub H from a weapon release today is very high and even now the defense is both soft and hard kill) Thus the naval designers of the day (and today) allocate volume, weight and location for defensive systems in accordance with the threat and that allocation means that something else is taken away. Is it perfect? No, the game is threat and counter and if you underestimate the threat, be it from hubris or your enemy came to the game with a superior weapon, the designers were not paying attention, or there was just no budget (not just money, also design budget. You end up with one side having an advantage. Was the air threat taken seriously, yes when it materially became and then recognized as a serious threat, and the navies took steps to increase and improve their AA. The air threat in the late 30s was improving faster (shorter gestation) than ship new design and modernization.
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  611.  @TorvakMOS  there is an existing drydock answer for the question of Yamato vs. the entire Jutland battle line. I was amazed at the patience displayed to make it a real teaching moment. I am sure that other serious naval planning and history fans felt the same. It will help you discover the answer to your question.
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  612.  @TorvakMOS  I had to do a search with the words "Yamato" and "Jutland" and found it in drydock 067, from the content list up front, it's at 40min into the video. Since I knew that it was between 3 and 9 months ago, it was an advantage and sped up the whittle down of the possible hits.
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  613.  @WALTERBROADDUS  and one which the crew mysteriously disappeared 👻
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  614.  @Mishn0  thumbs up on both comments!
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  615. As for naming a new ship class after a battle from the same war being a hell of a flex = Casablanca Class CVE. Embarrassed that it took 2 days to come up with it. Especially since both the Midway and Coral Sea names were originally given to the Casablanca Class.
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  616. @scottgiles7546  IRT your actual question, every LCS in the USN named after a CA makes this writer sad. E.g. Houston, Indianapolis ...
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  617.  @stevewyckoff6904  it was an insane amount of effort. Now the ship design is a virtual solid model with meta data that shows the maintenance envelopes, power draw, part number weight.... e.t.c of each component. You can virtually walk thru the ship and operate each component. From the model, flat drawings are generated for production. The slavery of pencil and ink drawing tables required a huge staff, not much improved by 2D cad. I once spent 2 years on a drawing for one large component for CVNs
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  618. Cough, blah... c...ennedy....spat... ark terprise .... and something
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  619.  @TonboIV  There is an EMALS land based test site at Lakehurst, NJ. The catapults are just one of several critical developmental systems that are not mature and did not get enough developmental or operationally representative testing. THE result is that the ship is not operational and you don't get ANY testing. We'll see in a few months how much the systems have improved.
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  620.  @Randisides  oh... the best laid plans... and then the realities of military procurement and technical development shows its face. Several of the new systems WERE to be fielded on other ships first. You do know than the UK CVs do not have catapults or arresting gear and this limits what aircraft can be carried. The F-35Bs are the same as are currently on the USN's LHAs and they have shorter capabilites than the C's. The UK CV can not deploy with refuel tankers or airborne radar of notable endurance. The QE are good ships, and in airwing capability, they are somewhere between an LHA and a Kittyhawk Class
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  621.  @Randisides  😎 oh, imagine the faces of HII executives being told that USN will instead buy 4 QE Class CVFs instead of CVN 82.
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  622.    Bravo Zulu! Your random question generator made 2 separate and amazing hits. SRLY. 😮
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  623.  @savage4173  torpedoe recovery, do you mean in combat or in training & testing? For the later, USN has been using dolphins in recent decades.
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  624.  @savage4173  for a "war shot", they either detonated at the end of run or sank to the bottom of the ocean. Un-exploded torpedoes floating around are mines and would violate international laws/ treaties. Besides, you can't control who owns the playing field to effect a recovery. Best to deny the asset to anyone. If anyone tried to develop a post battle recovery system for a torpedo fired in anger, I would love to learn about it.
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  625.  @Skyhawk1998  isn't it wonderful to have so much info available at your fingertips 🙂 ?
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  626.  @stevetaylor8698  Thames! Thank you.
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  627. Interesting, HMS Hood killed the ships that may end up keeping her alive.
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  628. Kinda sorta, Atlanta and Juneau started the battle that eventually resulted in their loss with Callaghan in command. Helena was loss some months after Callaghan's death. I do understand your point.
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  629.  @ayylmao9697  yes, agreed. Thank you for making that connection, I learned an additional new fact today 🙂
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  630. DD was Yamato, the destroyers were A cups. 🙂
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  631.  @sewing1243  thank you again! It must have been sad to see the sundown of this TMS. Were there any other airplanes or ships which you miss more?
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  632.  @sewing1243  the watch is passed from one generation to the next and then the next. Please do know that sailors, aircraft and ships are built upon the lessons you and your ship mates brought home. And someday we'll get the fuel oil taste out of the drinking water
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  633. Happy Chrismanukka
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  634.  @kemarisite  gotta flip thru again for the attribution of who killed Scott. Hammel did not hold any punches for Callahan and had good detailed first hand accounts, thus would seem out of place to be that off on San Fran blasting Atlanta. On other bounces, Mass hitting Jean Bart count?
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  635.  @kemarisite I'll have to track down Franks for future reading. In summary, agree strongly on all your comments.
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  636. Mmmmm, a white convertible with tan interior and top with gold accents and gold (paint color, no flakes) BBS basket weave wheels. Kinda pimp, but kinda elegant.
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  637.  carmine paola  you are very generous, it comes with the shoes.
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  638.  carmine paola  🤣 was that you on the ticket queue at Fennchurch station?
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  639.  carmine paola  btw: I think you may have missed my sarcasm, so I'll add a little context: But the French and Dutch are such nice people! The former gave baguettes to Indochina and the latter gave social order (apartheid) to South Africa. And it was very "British" to return Hong Kong to China after taking it during the war to keep selling Opium to China. And the Portuguese were the last of the Eight Nation (Imperial powers) Alliance War which divided China into 8 spheres of Euro economic exploitation, to return territory (Macau) to China.
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  640.  @WALTERBROADDUS  thank you for the link, I'll need to make a trip soon.
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  641.  @ztoob8898  catenary 🤓 Thr sag of a line under tension.
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  642.  @WALTERBROADDUS  🙂 I found W&R to be more personal
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  643.  @richardmalcolm1457  wish I had a copy 🙂 During the making, 2 SBDs were available and both launched off the Lexington (landed at Pensacola), 4 decades since the last SBD launched off a carrier.
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  644. I know that this channel is about much older ships, but I am torn over CVN81 being named for Dorie Miller. I'm very disappointed and would really preferred something grander, like the United States, Constitution, even Challenger. A frigate had been named for Miller, and in my stronge opinion, a decorated service member's namesake should grace frigates and destroyers, NOT a CVN. CVNs are to be named for great leaders, great ships and the grand ideals of the USA. This event is a total surprise and I'm feeling very sad. I guess I picked the right time to quit, at the very lease, there will be an Enterprise.
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  645. Not sure if uglier, but definitely less stable.
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  646.    the stability issues?
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  647.  @seafodder6129  turns toward in coming torpedo
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  648. Welcome to drydock! 😃 Your initiation is to watch/ listen to the Epic Patron Drydock (#96). Your reward, an absolutely terrific analytical answer to your question and bragging rights for completing it. Share and enjoy! If you have no will power... The answer is at approx 2:30 into the episode... but why would you want to miss any of it?
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  649. They are already razz berries. "World's Worst Warships 2025 edition", I can wait.
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  650.  @John-ru5ud what you wished was a close run thing as 74 is due for her mid life refuel.
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  651.  @shauncourtney6103  and there was much rejoice
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  652. Very nice! Another one of her guns is at Joint Base Anacostia Bolling in Washington DC. This one took a shot thru the gun shield at the cut out for the gun sight.
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  653. EMALS and AAG! (Sarcasm)
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  654.  @alecblunden8615 hint taken, let me try again. So true, left to it's own creativity, the USN would come up with the innovation of EMALS and AAG, which are still innovating.
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  655.  @Justin-rv7oy  the question and answer was for AA CRUSER. Additionally, the AA destroyer you were referring to was casually mentioned (not by name) and not any more because it was not in the scope of the question and this was explained in the response.
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  656.  @Justin-rv7oy  I'm a fan of the Akizuki Class and hope it gets covered in the 5 minute guides. Looking thru that playbill, an IJN "special" destroyers episode appears to be install for this winter. However, Takao and Atago will be covered this month and that has this subscriber very excited.
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  657.  @FazCraft  the projectile and the "powder" were separate for ease of handling. The British used cloth bags for the powder and the bag was consumed during the firing. Obviously, cloth that will burn away will catch fire pretty easily. The Germans used a metal case for the powder, and that is a little more resilient to ignition from fire. It will go boom when exposed to fire, it will take a little longer and that margin may be just enough to save the ship. Btw: when the shell is one piece and the powder charge is another single piece, the term is "semi-fixed" and "fixed" would be both projectile and propellant were together in a single unit.
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  658. Friendly reader's note to anyone wondering. King St is not named for ADML King. Neighboring streets include, Duke, Prince, and Washington.
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  659. Question: the RN T class submarines were famous for having the largest forward firing torpedoe salvo with 6 internal and 4 external tubes. How often was a 10 torpedo salvo used on a single or group of targets? Can the external tubes be reloaded at sea by the sub's crew or was reloading performed by a depot or tender?
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  660.  @molybdaen11  thanks, any hints on where I can find a diagram of the contraption they had to use?
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  661. Borough 😛
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  662. The last time I was this late, I wasn't busy building a Hellenic Navy.
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  663.  @stephenwoods4118  hard to forgive that even in the model of GS, they painted the hull number of the stand in USN cruiser.
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  664.  @thehandoftheking3314 your thought about the CO of New Zealand performing the Haka got me wondering. Should the crew perform the Haka, would it more appropriately be lead by the XO or senior CPO ? Our some other member of the ship?
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  665.  @LiveErrors  If you have not, check out the gun layout on the Omaha Class CL's of the inter war period. They had centerline turrets and castmates on top of castmates on the wings. Crazy set up but that resulted in 6 guns firing ahead and 4 of which can fire ro the broadside.
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  666.  @PositionLight  but wet steam is an excellent resource. Once you have a tank of wet saturated steam, the gaseous steam that you tap from it is at constant pressure and with the liquid making up for the loss gaseous steam, a plentiful reservoir. USN CV (Forrestal, Kittty & America) and all CVNs use wet steam accumulators for the catapults for this very reason. Edit: not totally sure about ALL the CVs, but definitely all the CVNs as they are now and had been for decades. (Ford Class excluded since EMALS)
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  667.  @LiveErrors PG 9 Helena perhaps? She had pedestal mounts, side by side and in front of the superstructure.
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  668. Ultimatum, demand & require (you to do xyz) are very strong words for a powder keg. The options were clear, the way it was said or translated was and is still rather cringy (IMO).
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  669. Ryan Mock re: flight decks appearing as if they melted https://www.google.com/search?q=flight+deck+damage&safe=off&client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&prmd=ivsn&sxsrf=ALeKk01KE4cLVE5Ckz39v-bBAsgXCoPv2g:1582514689092&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiempTPnunnAhVCu54KHY0RC1MQ_AUoAXoECA0QAQ&biw=360&bih=645&dpr=3#imgrc=Wp6m2tmncJ9UfM Wood and steel, no heat applied 🤓
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  670.  @dandarling152  check back a few episodes, there was an in depth look at torpedo rooms on Capitol ships.
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  671.  @Baby_Valentine  my guess would be the Beaufighter for surface ships.
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  672. Covered by Drach in Drydock #1 of all places. You'll like it!
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  673.  @CharlesStearman  yes Avengers did lots of bombing. I forget where I read about it, but the CVE based Avengers were doing so much bunker busting, that they were masterful in lobbing bombs into targets w good old "Kentucky windage" 😃. The interesting point about the TBD is that they were designed and fitted for level bombing.
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  674.    Good info, thanks for sharing
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  675. Re: aircraft storage in hangar overhead (24:20) The marking on the SBD is 2 S 6, vice 2 5 6. 2 signifies airwing 2 (Lexington at that point), S
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  676. Also, unlike RAF, the squadron CO did not get to use their initials instead, e.g. Doug Badder had DB on the side of his aircraft.
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  677.  @arkadeepkundu4729  this is apples & oranges. Let's keep the discussion to the current class of French "frigates". 1) the MN did not use the term "destroyer", itself an evolution of the term "torpedo boat destroyer", they called those ships "contra torpeleurs" (bad spelling) somewhat literally "counter to/ anti torpedo slingers". So MN didn't have a cool term like "destroyers" that apply to other things. (2) for a ship of that size and importance today, the commanding officer should be of O5 rank, a Commander in USN and RN, and for MN, the title of that rank is "Capitain de Frigate", doesn't matter if the officer is actually commanding a frigate or a logistics maintenance unit, a lawyer, an engineering duty officer ashore, or the XO of a bigger ship. That's the name of the rank. 3) now if you are MN and designing a general-purpose ship that's bigger than a corvette, but not a "capitol ship" why not follow your naval tradition and call it a Frigate? Now looking at the armament specifications, and design mission, it's clearly a frigate. Big and tall, but clearly a frigate.
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  678.  @animeboy-qy5sq  a baby flat top none the less. Canberra's getting an LCS 🤓
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  679.  @spudskie3907  and steam cats oh my! Not a fan of that digital stuff 😎
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  680. Are you guys playing out a scene for "Task Force Part 2"? You guys know the scene from the 1949 movie "Task Force" where Gary Cooper argues to the naval board during WWII to build more carriers?
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  681. Please do perform this experiment and report back. One aspect to point out is that you are compressing an "empty" can and not squeezing a solid rod. Plus, I can't recall how Poissan's law/ratio applies to this situation.
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  682. Ford Class CVNs not only went electric for the catapults (EMALS) but also for the galleries. The CS's by all account are very happy with electric.
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  683.  @tominiowa2513  Hello again! Instead of going to CVN78, G.R. Ford's commissioning, I went to Orange City for RAGBRAI 2017 😁.
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  684.  @jonnydestecroix7162  there is an alternate history of Samar episode on this channel
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  685.  @touko_nanami  even a shorter coastline, said Germany to Britain. I'm harder much harder for you to get in and out without me punishing you for the effort. Considering the heavy handedness of your army in South Africa and to your neighbors, I don't believe that hurting non combatants is an issue to you at all. 🙄
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  686.  @cadenstoldt2288  AA use in surface action, happened during many of the night actions in the Solomons.
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  687.  @LordOceanus  fire on ships at dockside: USS Constellation - during new construction, Brooklyn Navy Yard - damage repaired and commissioned into service. USS Miami, during maintenance and was written off. Construction is a hazardous time, there are wires, hoses and tarps all over a ship. The hoses and wires and temporary air ducts block passageways and go through doors, preventing them from closing. Hazmat and flammable are abundant. A fire can spread quickly and will be hard to isolate.
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  688.  @imahugeretardwithabadopini5416  my reading is average, what is worst is my ability to write fluidly and I almost always have to edit my writing several times to make it readable.
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