Comments by "Gakusangi" (@Gakusangi) on "GetHip" channel.

The worst part is, this is the place we get set now. We can't have what was going to be, because they've committed to THIS. They will try to sell us on less than what was promised so long as it's more than what we currently have. All the DLC, free or otherwise, all the patches...it's not gonna transform it from a looter-shooter into some deep RPG like we wanted it to be. We'll always have level-locked clothes and weapons, when they have no place in this game (because making a hundred versions of the same weapon is easier than making a wide variety of weapons). We probably won't get combat chems, since they devalue the cybernetics, we get more co-op with companions likely, I'd be impressed if any car customization went further than aesthetics... I just don't see them making the game that was advertised because of the sheer amount of stuff that would have to be entirely overhauled and remade. The game is out, so we can only have an improved version of what it is, we can't have what we wanted it to be, what was advertised.
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@TheBangooman That is a backwards way of thinking, you CANNOT attach a dollar value to time spent. I've played plenty of games over over 100hrs just to be sure I saw everything they had to offer, only to conclude that I didn't like them. There's no rule saying that the amount of time you spend experiencing a game somehow magically turns it from a bad experience into a good experience. If you didn't like it, after seeing it all, no matter how much time it took you to play and see all of it, it doesn't change that you didn't like it, and want your money back. They can't refund you the TIME you wasted, the least they can do is refund your money.
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@kazumakiryu5515 You cannot know how long it will take someone do do anything, you're...just spouting nonsense here. So what if it took him 70hrs to just do the prologue, I think 6 hours is too long for the prologue, but I won't claim he's not entitled to a refund if he didn't find any fun in 70hrs of playing the game, no matter what he accomplished in that time. I've played over 200 hrs of this game and understand entirely why he would want to get his money back.
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@liamnissanS2K Besides those people that always argue that you spent so long in a game, therefore you're not justified to a refund, are the same people that would complain you didn't give the game enough time if you decided to refund after 2hrs of playing it. They'd say things like, "you didn't even complete the prologue, how could you want a refund before giving the game a chance", other asinine stuff like that. There's no pleasing them.
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@DaniTheHero That 70hrs thing, that wasn't me, that's someone else in this discussion that said they requested a refund, and got one, and YES it was Cyberpunk 2077, he's been the person I've been defending in their decision to get a refund this whole time. I have 200+ hrs in this game. I'm waiting on the patches that should have been brought in at the end of February before I decide if I'm refunding. Because then, all of the bugs will be fixed and hopefully things will be re-balanced. But if I still don't like it by then, you bet I'm requesting a refund. I would have given this game every chance to be worth my money by then. Again, that you use the words "most people" proves my point. Because "most people" is not EVERY person, see? I exist, therefore I am counter to your point. The guy that got his refund after 70hrs, is also counter to your point, and evidence to the contrary, which is why you can't make it a rule that so much time invested or so much of the game complete means that it can't be bad or that we're not entitled to get our money back. I'm sorry, but you have been proven WRONG in this very comment section. Accept it and move on to next point if you have one. You're the only one constantly repeating yourself with nothing to back it up. Meanwhile I have evidence that can be referenced right here in the comments. The movie reference absolutely works. It's an example of seeing something through to the end before deciding you don't like it. People do that all the time, not everyone gets up and leaves the theater half way or a quarter of the way through a film. Just like some people don't refund a game until they've seen everything the game has to offer...see?
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@DaniTheHero I'll say the same thing I said above, you cannot attach ones enjoyment or the dollar value of a product based on the time you spend exploring it. If it takes 70hrs to see EVERYTHING the game has to offer you, and after that you're still disappointed, the least they can do is refund your money, because they can't refund you the time you wasted trying to find something to enjoy in the game.
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Nagger He has every right to get a refund if he wasted 70hrs trying to find the fun in the game and still coming out disappointed. If after 70hrs of gameplay there wasn't enough fun to justify his purchase, the least CDPR can do is refund him the money for wasting his time.
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@samhein321 The prologue can take like 3-4 hours, I dunno where they're getting this 6 hour BS. Let's go over what you do. After the life path intro, which for a street kid takes about ten minutes, you rescue a corpo lady from scavengers, you then do a car ride including a terrible chase sequence with the remaining scavengers. You then sleep, wake up the next day, get your cybernetic upgrades from Vik, then meet with Dexter. From there you choose if you want to see your employer first or go to Maelstrom. If you shoot your way through Maelstrom the entire encounter can take you about fifteen minutes including a boss fight at the end IF you didn't kill Royce during your negotiation. After that you talk with Dex again (you can skip dialogue btw, that can save several minutes of this), and then proceed to the heist that could take you about twenty minutes depending on if you shoot your way through or stealth. Now tell me that takes six hours...I could do all of that in about three hours if I wasn't skipping dialogue and just shooting my way through, so I'm not sure what takes six hours to finish all that. Some people beat this game in 40hrs, including the side content. 6hrs of that would be just under a quarter of the game done. This game is hilariously short.
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@liamnissanS2K Yeah, the core gameplay loop is part of the problem. The worst part is how they have systems in place that could prevent this from feeling so looter-shooter and having level-locked weapons all over the place. Just he other day, I came across a rare Ajax assault rifle that required me to be level 30 to use it (was level 24 at the time), and had 297DPS. My iconic smart assault rifle had a DPS of 400, and I had been using it for several levels at that point. The worst part is, it doesn't matter where I even invest the levels. I could put all my attribute and perk points into Intelligence (which don't benefit assault rifles at all), and as long as I got to level 30, the gun just unlocks for me to use. The Carnage shotgun at least requires 6 in Body, and Body has all the shotgun perks in it, so it makes sense to invest the levels there. I don't understand why they added arbitrary level requirements, it actually plays counter to the "open" world aspect of the game, since exploration won't always reward you if you find a weapon that has a level requirement above your own.
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@what7530 I don't think the core gameplay of No Man's Sky changed, I think they just improved the systems and added content. This would require an entire overhaul of the loot system and remove level-requirements and the way weapon scaling is handled. That's basically a new game at this point.
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@ararepotato1420 That is a TALL order. That's basically replacing the current game...with a different game.
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@AdonanS I'm glad you got your refund. It's not like they can give you back the 70hrs you wasted trying to find the fun in the game, so they could at least give you the money back.
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@JohnSmith-qz6xb Hm... no 8) I have an opinion, you're free to ignore it.
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@blackfoxmember304akaexo8 No doubt. I have no doubt in my mind these poor decisions were at the top level.
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@DaniTheHero Dude, I nearly 100% just to be sure there wasn't anything someone could claim I was missing. Let's face it, if I said I only played 6hrs of this game and only followed the main story before deciding it wasn't good, you'd be complaining that I never gave it a chance. So get out of here with that argument, it doesn't hold up.
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@that_deadeyegamer7920 Sounds more like he wasted 70hrs he can't get back trying to find the fun in the game and never finding it. The least CDPR could do is refund him the money, it's not like they can give him back his wasted time.
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@StarkeRealm I can't give them any credit for something a mod might fix. Besides it's deeper than just removing the level-locks, the entire way the game handles the weapon level scaling would have to be overhauled and likely replaced with a new customization systems similar to what we got in Fallout, just to keep things relevant and interesting.
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@TheBangooman You CANNOT attach time spent in the game or amount of completion to his enjoyment of the game or justification for wanting a refund. This isn't food you consume and can't give back without throwing up on the table or crapping in your chair, it is a digital product that can be returned in the same condition it was received without hassle. If he wasted 70hrs of his time trying to find the fun in the game, the least CDPR can do is refund him his money, because they can't give him back the time he lost trying to make something of the product.
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@Timeremortem He got his money back, and still lost the time he wasted playing it. You have a finite amount of time in this world that can't be refunded, but at least he can get his money back. Good for him.
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@bigsmoke9454 Cringe is telling someone that after 70hrs of having their time wasted attempting to enjoy something that was falsely advertised as something else in a desperate attempt to justify the money spent, they're not entitled to at least getting their money back for a product that was fraudulently marketed to them. It's not like CDPR can give him back his time, so they could at least give him back his money.
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@justsayin2085 You can't give back food like you can give back a digital product. On the other side of things, you can't give him back his wasted time, like you can give back his money.
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@that_deadeyegamer7920 Gonna say it again, you're the same person that would claim he never gave the game a chance if he only played 4 hours of it and then decided it was bad and wanted a refund. I've played 200+ hrs of this game and can understand anyone that would want a refund. Just because I spent time exploring everything the game has to offer doesn't mean I think it's a good game, it just means I tried EVERYTHING first.
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@DaniTheHero I've played over 200+ hrs of this game to ensure that I have seen EVERYTHING it has to offer. Come the end of February, after the main patches are in and the Vanilla experience is as CDPR intended, if the game isn't good enough I will be getting a refund as well. It doesn't matter if I did everything the game has to offer, of course I checked it all, I had to be sure there wasn't anything to redeem it, there wasn't anything I was missing. You cannot attach the quality of someone's time in the game to how much time they spent in it. People will suffer through things to see where it goes by the end of it all, and then make a decisions from there. That's like saying that because someone sat through an entire bad movie instead of getting up to leave half-way through, they somehow can't claim it was a bad movie.
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@that_deadeyegamer7920 Yes, if I decided that after all of that I deserve a refund, I deserve refund. I am the consumer, the makers of a product owe ME if I pay them for it. I don't know how that's hard to understand.
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@liamnissanS2K I've seen this before. It happens all the time with video games, there's always defenders to a fault. It's like ME not liking something, is invalidating their liking of that same thing. I just don't GET people that don't seem to understand that if a consumer pays for a product, they are entitled to a refund if they find it lacking. There's no strings attached, I PAID for this thing, therefore I am entitled to a refund if I don't get my money's worth out of it. And yes, "my money's worth" IS largely subjective, and yes that is how it is, and always will/should be.
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@bigsmoke9454 This has no basis in any kind of provable data, that it somehow takes less than 70hrs to know if you enjoy something, or to fully experience it. That's purely subjective and based on the individual experience of the person having it. You cannot state such a thing as irrefutable fact. And again, you'd be the same person to argue someone didn't spend ENOUGH time to properly determine if they didn't like something if they spend only 2hrs playing it, because "the prologue takes at least 6 hrs, how could you say you don't like something without even giving it a chance", that sound familiar? Heard that anywhere? Stop trying to set an arbitrary amount of time to some standard of refund eligibility, it does - not - work - that - way. People like what they like, and the quality of their time spent (no matter how much time that is) is entirely based on THEM, and nothing else. At the end of the day, the consumer is always entitled to a refund. They spend the money on the product, and they cannot be refunded any time wasted with it. The LEAST that could be done is giving them their money back.
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@bigsmoke9454 Thank you for proving my point with a "nuh-uh", that's always a solid argument there XD I'll just be on this hill standing up for the consumer.
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@DaniTheHero Oh, but...it seems you can, because people are doing that with very game at this very moment. Which already proves that point wrong. And do remember that you said this the next time you play a game, get all the way to the end, hate the ending and then can't refund the game. I hope that both the wasted money and time doesn't sting too much.
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@Timeremortem I love these analogies and how they don't compare at all. You put wear and miles on a car that you can't take back. You also cannot take back using the facilities and eating the food in your hotel comparison. Meanwhile, you can return a piece digital software in the exact same condition you gave it. Further more...if a salesman offered you a Ferrari and really talked it up, and then sold it to you, took your money and then brought you out a Honda Civic...would you not ask for your money back? If the hotel sold you a presidential suite, and a five course meal, took your money and then escorted you to a basic one bedroom and one bath, with free breakfast included... would you just accept that? No! That would be ridiculous. Those scenarios are a hell of a lot comparable to what happened with this game.
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@DaniTheHero 1) The gentleman who said he played 70hrs and wanted a refund, got his refund. He confirmed it. Yeah, so... what was your argument there again? 2) And yeah, no bud. You CANNOT possibly prove that point. There is no RULE in place that says you cannot hate a game that you played 100% of, that's...nonsense. I watch a 100% of a bad movie too. Because who knows, maybe that ending really makes the whole experience, but I wouldn't know without trying. Not everyone feels that way, but that's why ones ENJOYMENT of something is purely subjective, which was my point. You can't make a rule for it, it's impossible. People rate the quality of their differently than everyone else. So just because YOU would ditch a game after 4hrs, doesn't mean I would, doesn't mean anyone else would. This isn't a good argument, it has no evidence to back it up. But please keep repeating yourself, instead of counting my point.
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@Timeremortem Yes, if it took you 5000 times to really be certain you didn't like the song, why shouldn't you get a refund, you don't like the song and no amount of times listening to it will change that. But that's not even comparable, because it's not like that song was marketed as something it wasn't when it was sold to you, like Cyberpunk was. So not only do I agree that the song should be refunded, but I don't even think it's an accurate comparison anyway. If it takes three whole play throughs of a game to see all of its content and explore all of its mechanics and you still don't like it, you're entitled to a refund. You gave it every chance in the world to be worth your time and money. Only you have lost in this exchange, so you're entitled to get something back to complicate for it.
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@Timeremortem So let's address both points here. 1) So if they make a crap product that doesn't meet to even my moderate exceptions...I'm expected just to eat that expense, without complaint? No. They marketed it as one thing and gave me another, they also released it as a competed product, which it wasn't. My only complication can monetary, they can't give me back the time I lost. My wasted time is worth more than the money they'll be giving me back, so they still come out ahead, in that regard. And if they made bad product and sold it to me under false pretenses...that's not on ME, I'm the victim in that scenario, I'm the only one in a position to lose anything. My interests have to be protected and my only recourse is to get my money back and return the product. It isn't my fault that it was given to me that way. 2) You cannot prove this point as a fact. I own Final Fantasy VI, I've owned it for more years than some people have even alive on earth. I have played it over and over again, I have seen every bit of content it has to offer. Yet, I keep the game, and replay it very frequently. That I exist and do that, is direct counter to your point. If people like something, they're more likely to keep it than refund it, because they want to keep having that good experience over and over again. A bad refund policy isn't the only thing that keeps people from returning stuff, that's...that's absurd, you can't possibly prove that. I need to see the irrefutable evidence for you to attempt to make this point.
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@DaniTheHero So let me get this straight...mid-way through our discussion of this game, you shifted to talking about...not this game? Let me guess, only in the instance of refunds because you have Steam crappy policy as your evidence right? Yeah, good argument there. I'm applaud you for your moving goalpost when you had nothing else to fall back on. I'm so glad you wasted my time with your non-point. And yet, you keep repeating yourself. Pot, meet kettle. One weirdo in the bunch? The fact that one person exists that counters your point meant that you couldn't say it with certainty. Stop pretending you don't understand, you cannot possibly be that dense.
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@StarkeRealm that's a fair assumption, I just wish our deep rpg didn't have to be sacrificed for that.
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