Comments by "pinball1970" (@pinball1970) on "BBC News" channel.

  1. This seems different, hopefully they will get closure if they get evidence they need. Conclusive evidence.
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  2. Pleased for Ukraine. The UK song was decent for once.
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  3.  @oscarcat1231  No, they got COVID19 and died within days. Phil was old had Alzheimer's and in a care home. The other person I won't name as she was a fellow professional in the field but not a personal friend. She was not well in the week, worked till Thursday, admitted to hospital Friday, died Saturday. In her 40s. 125,000 people dead in the UK a small chance I might know someone. I have relatives who work at the MRI in Manchester and a friend who works on reception. You don't want this thing trust me. I get my vaccine Monday, with moderate asthma in my 50s it cant come soon enough.
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  4.  @mehere8038  The conspiracy idiots can't answer that.
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  5.  @Catkins101  Stop spreading stupid shit, I know people who have died from this
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  6.  @Catkins101  That's not how they do it. They look at 5 year average month by month year by year and compare. These are EXTRA deaths to what is expected by month year and country.
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  7.  @Catkins101  If you have terminal cancer and a weakened immune system and heart/respiratory system as a result then get COVID and die, it is difficult to assign a cause of death. However this is a science in itself and is important for families and can be crucial in an investigation BUT it is never 100%. Sometimes it's a best guess and sometimes it is not known. The statistical analysis methods they use are based on averages month by month year by year.
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  8.  @Catkins101  That's terrible, I am sorry about that. People are struggling with mental health issues and it is particularly tragic when a younger person passes. At least Phil had his life. We are on the same page, this thing is a nightmare and we all have opinions on it. I still hang my hat on the Science and the vaccine as the Scientific method is something I know works.
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  9.  @Catkins101  Good post, you are using your head, I can see that. I can totally get why people are completely pissed off and are questioning what is going on. They will not know what the actual death toll is till this thing is under control. Spanish flu killed between 25-50 million people depending on which source you read. That's a big range! A factor of 2! Why so inaccurate? Two main reasons, how did they know one particular death was Flu and not something else as per our other discussion. 1918 technology was basic in the first second, Third world technology nonexistent, that includes counting bodies and amassing the data. This time around they will use the most sophisticated technology in the west to count the bodies but in places like India and Africa it will not be as easy. The vaccine companies are working best strategy to get Vaccines to places like Pakistan but they are already months behind. Europe will hopefully not pay for delayed the AZ distribution. 48 hours will make a difference. Anyway mate take care, takes measures and bear in mind we have this thing almost beat. Hopefully we can stop it before it's evolution outruns the Scientists.
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  10.  @bigfoot-g4i  Yo Colin! Science WILL beat this thing!
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  11.  @auntiemandy5638  Wrong, gaseous exchange studies have been carried out decades ago by people who actually know what they are talking about. STOP spreading unscientific stupid shit during a pandemic.
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  12.  @Daisy_3011 re masks, Yeah it's an unscientific meme profoundly stupid people decide to accept because it fits into their conspiracy theory nonsense
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  13.  @Vaultboy101  I have two mates who are Muslim. They took a lot of shit after 911. I'm an atheist so we have lively discussion but one thing we do agree on, trying to terrorise a people is wrong. They are Asian they are not terrorist, they are (semi) Muslim not terrorist. This guy who murdered this woman is a psycho. He has abused his position of trust as a police officer. No one will hate him more than his family, THEN then police.
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  14.  @rileyfozz8077  Viruses have been isolated from pustules from patients suspected of suffering from certain diseases. That is how Jenner did his work on smallpox, that is how AIDS was identified from invasion of white blood cells, that is how a vaccine was developed for Human papilloma virus. Do you need the links? This is well documented Science.
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  15. @Mr Krispy I've got a degree in applied Biology, I'll trust that.
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  16.  @oscarcat1231  Let me know when you collect your Nobel
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  17.  @Catkins101  Did the shark have trillions of mates? Killing more people per day than cancer and heart disease combined in a first world country? Despite the fact no one was going in the water anymore? That is what happened in the states. The scientists are barely keeping up with the evolution of this thing. Read the published literature on the effects the mutations are having on vaccine efficacy. Since the Vaccine is the only way out of this, that datum is the only thing you should worry about.
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  18.  @pickuptruck4533  Yeah! Throw in a few zombies and you have a film there!
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  19. @Boris The Blade You know this how?
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  20.  @JukeBoxOwl  Which part is a scam?
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  21.  @Daisy_3011  Or me! Not a cold in over 12 months, a first for me, perhaps masks do actually confer some protection!!!
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  22.  @chirstopherj22  Jab every year possibly. No great shakes, 5 minutes a year for one jab?
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  23.  @auntiemandy5638  Wow your delusion is pretty impressive
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  24.  @auntiemandy5638  Research???? Ha ha!
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  25.  @auntiemandy5638  I have a degree in applied Biology so I know what I am talking about. Scientific research, the kind that actually matters regarding Science (microbiology, virology, epidemiology, physical chemistry and technical textiles) has demonstrated masks to be safe, vaccines to be safe and COVID19 a real novel and fatal virus. If you need publications I can cite them. The 'research' you have done seems to be self affirming scientifically illiterate conspiracy theory websites, Twitter and Facebook.
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  26.  @auntiemandy5638  How large to you think O2 molecules are? Do you really think they are too big to pass through a fabric weave? How do surgeons manage to do 12,18 and 20 hour organ transplant operations wearing a mask the WHOLE TIME and not pass out. A child can work this out.
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  27.  @auntiemandy5638  I have read your other posts, you are scientifically illiterate and a conspiracy theory nut job obviously believing any old stupid nonsense you stumble into.
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  28.  @auntiemandy5638  I guarantee you would know squat about Spanish flu pre 2020. What point are you trying to make? What do you know about pathology and physiology of the respiratory system and illnesses? Are you regurgitating things you have read on social media? How do you manage to filter out real information from bullshit? It was easy for me, I sat in front of qualified lecturers, did supervised practicals and took exams.
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  29.  @auntiemandy5638  What on earth does 'dirty' CO2 even mean? You expire CO2 via normal respiration. What you have posted is yet more unscientific nonsense.
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  30.  @auntiemandy5638  This is O level (yes I am old) NORMAL respiration. Metabolism of sugar to produce ATP AND CO2. There is nothing dirty about it.
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  31.  @auntiemandy5638  Do you need the equations?
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  32.  @auntiemandy5638  https://biologydictionary.net/cellular-respiration/ This is straight forward documented Science.
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  33.  @chirstopherj22  Auntie Mandy is a brainless conspiracy theory troll. Just saving you time, you can thank me later.
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  34.  @Jomanka100  I don't know why they think anyone will believe this nonsense.
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  35.  @auntiemandy5638  Just follow the rules, you are clueless on the Science that much is clear. I don't care if your uncle is the queen of Sheba, just follow the government advice protect yourself and those around you.
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  36. Brilliant
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  37.  @alexlopresti1315  What? Religion? Which religion cures cancer remind me
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  38.  @alexlopresti1315  Don't talk stupid shit. What do you think radiotherapy and chemotherapy is?
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  39.  @alexlopresti1315  So why does god give cancer to babies? So he can cure them?
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  40.  @alexlopresti1315  Do you speak to god?
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  41.  @Vermhatwormhat819  'Dont trust Science!' he says using a cell phone, pc, GPS....
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  42.  @alexlopresti1315  He replies?
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  43.  @alexlopresti1315  What does he sound like?
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  44.  @Sang25x3  WHO? You are a Scientist?
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  45. It's only for the sickest by the looks of it. Read the actual study/abstract is best.
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  46.  Terry Winter  Those same people who marched through London? They will end up in CCU. Taking up beds of all the delayed cancer surgeries, heart and kidney failure patients, kids with severe disease that need treatment. Well done them eh?
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  47.  @zoedark7101  I used to have rats. 7 at one point. My favourite, Shadow used to sit next to me while I was watching TV.
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  48. @True Not true. All the coppers I knew were decent. Like Drs they are supposed to be in a profession you can trust. Not in this case. Terrible for the family. RIP
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  49.  @Vaultboy101  Yeah I get your point. My aunt worked at a police station that was when I was a kid, they were all great. Then in the 90s I interacted with a lot. I suppose my point was, don't judge the police by a psycho who happened to be an officer.
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  50.  @Vaultboy101  I was friends with a lot of medics when I was a student. They were nuts, lovely but nuts. I accept you can get a Harold Shipman among those highly intelligent and educated individuals.
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  51.  @isaac_aren  A voice of reason! There is intelligent life on planet earth. Keep it up. This recovery rate they Keep mentioning btw is bs. I posted this to someone else. 'We don't actually know what the kill rate is yet because 1/Not every one who is going to die from COVID19 has yet died. 2/ we don't know many cases there have been in total. 3/Different variants have different epidemiology 4/What does 'recovery' mean? It does not necessarily mean 'as you were' We are approaching 3% kill rate. 2.8% if you crunch the numbers. This will drop to 1-2% possibly. This is WITH lockdown and WITH a vaccine since December 2020. Without those things the kill rate would be much higher with a swamped NHS. so these numbers of 99.99...... recovery are simply ignorant nonsense.'
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  52.  @nadshy  Of course you have immunity that's how the immune system works. Whether that's enough to not get Ill varies but will be heavily weighted to not getting severe symptoms.
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  53. @KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades Two things firstly, COVID us a new virus/disease and it's a killer. Death rates are predictions only and the 80,000 that die from normal flu viruses in the states was reached in two months and this was WITH lock down so it is more lethal than seasonal flu. Scientists and clinicians are out working best critical care management drugs etc in situ ie whilst we are right in the middle of it. Secondly there is no vaccine for COVID, there are vaccines for seasonal flu viruses. This does not mean you won't get flu but your chances are greatly reduced, that's why they don't have to shut down the economy for normal flu every year.
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  54. @David Young They do work, why are you posting idiotic nonsense during a pandemic?
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  55.  @oscarcat1231  Right I have deleted my post. I have a degree in applied Biology so I understand something about microbiology including virology. I also understand the immune system and disease. Reading that people are still claiming this thing is made up exaggerated etc is beyond my comprehension. You are right though, insults get us nowhere.
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  56.  @oscarcat1231  That is not what the Scientific community think sir. Your information is wrong. Science progresses from studies, research from professional academics. Published literature is there to be challenged and that is what scientists do all the time. They repeat experiments and try and find flaws. Poliomyelitis is caused by the Polio virus, the vaccine eradicated that disease. At least in the UK.
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  57.  @Alex-bz7re  'Several children.' Are you serious? Do you realize how many lives the polio program saved in the 80s? 100s of 1000s of cases dropped to a few 100. Please read the published literature from respected journals instead of scientifically illiterate creationist and conspiracy theory BS web sites.
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  58.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  Everything in brackets is me, I asked a lot of questions so I will need to fill in the gaps. 'there are specific centres world wide that track them (latest strains of influenza) The World Health Organisation compile the data (where they occur, numbers, symptoms, genomes) Other specialist centres make seeds for the new strains. We (colleagues company) get the candidate strains then manufacturer what the WHO recommend. They release the data twice per year. One each for northern and southern hemisphere.' Obviously the tricky part is 'manufacturing' which involves a lot of high tech immunology. This is what he came back with anyway. I hope you find it useful.
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  59.  @rileyfozz8077  What? Viruses don't cause disease? What on earth are you talking about?
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  60.  @donach9  Ventilation is a good point. Good news is that the kids will get spread it but are unlikely to get Ill with it. The aim is to get this to seasonal flu levels where only the old and vulnerable will get a yearly jab.
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  61.  @AndreaM-ws5fv  Eh? Genocide? We have actually kept a lid on this thing and now we have a vaccine.
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  62.  @rileyfozz8077  Or perhaps you think a virus hijacking a cell to make copies of itself destroying the cell in the process is good for a person?
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  63. Why didn't Andrew Neil just say, 'WTF?'
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  64.  Isaac Marshall  to make fun of him and expose him for what he is
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  65. @Rimadim dim It's a killer, people are dying, why do people think they are scientists all of a sudden?
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  66. @Rimadim dim This is a novel virus and a killer. I don't just 'trust government scientists' I trust the scientific method which includes peer reviewed published journals. There are many teams working on this thing, treatment, vaccines and models.
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  67. @Rimadim dim Yes that's right, it's out there now so it won't be stopped it's in 260 counties.
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  68. @Rimadim dim Lock down seems counter intuitive, I had discussions with other people and they made reasonable points about the economy. This is the logic, the Imperial paper ran their models and from there government policy followed. Lock down protects the NHS, whilst the virus was out there we had an exponential growth of cases. Unabated this would have been 8 times the NHS capacity according to the models. Lock down prevented that. Roughly 5% of patients present with symptoms requiring hospital/critical care and exponential progress of cases would have produced very large numbers of ICU cases. We have still had 40,000 deaths WITH lock down so make no mistake this is a very bad virus. Levels in the UK are normally around a low of 1600 and a high of 28,000 with an average of 17,000 We have doubled the average for an entire year in about 2-3 months.
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  69. @Rimadim dim A severely restricted NHS would lead to deaths in other areas of critical care and deaths among staff. This has not been avoided but it has been minimized. A vaccine is the only protection right now unless you have had it.
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  70. @Rimadim dim In short there is no magic bullet, a one stop shop to protect the economy and our people. We need to get back to work safely ASAP and maintain social distancing measures as best we can. When the vaccines become available we can breathe a little easier then (pardon the ref)
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  71. @Rimadim dim Lock down measures are very difficult to compare, we are not Sweden Spain or Germany. Our ministries have to make the calls on what is best for us (UK) China had a military style lock down. I was in touch with colleagues over there and measures were very severe indeed. No lock down measures at all would raise an eye brow surely and we have everything in between.
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  72. @Rimadim dim Forget about politics this is science. The virus is a killer and the guys at the top makes the calls on policy, we voted them in. I don't care f they are hypocrites, it does not make this virus any less lethal. 40,000 dead in 3 months, WITH lock down. Those are big numbers because we have no vaccine, no immunity.
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  73. @Rimadim dim The mortality again is very misleading. It may be 'slightly' higher than seasonal flu (I get my jabs as I am asthmatic) It only has to be slightly higher for many people to die because we have 7 billion people just waiting to be a host for it with no defence! They don't know how lethal it is yet, some of the in situ reports state novel pathology. Clots in he larger vessels, life support including intubation is being looked at. Spanish flu has a few surprises including a spike between 17-25 age range for deaths. I do not think the same Cytokine storm has been reported as with that pandemic thank god. 1M deaths per week for 25 weeks, this is what models have to prepare us for.
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  74. @Rimadim dim Firstly people are not surviving because they have immunity, no one has immunity. This is a novel virus with proteins / antigens that our immune system does not recognise because it has never encountered them before. Secondly, yes the politicians are making the calls BUT this is based on continual updates from the scientific community and clinicians. This information will be constantly changing because they are learning something every day. We can sit back and criticise the calls from our arm chairs if that is the way you think we should debate this. I don't think that helps anything.
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  75.  Rob Harvey  What you have posted is nonsense and zero to do with the crisis we are in the middle of.
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  76.  @sicparvismagna5786  We are not Sweden
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  77. @Rimadim dim It does not work like that. The immune system is multi layered, when we encounter an antigen for the first time our system has a first line of defence, this changes the second time, we have cells waiting in the wings. This is what vaccines do, they switch our system from stage one to stage two using attenuated versions of the viruses (for example) This virus is new so everything is first line so what happens? 1001 things happen, mainly we get well again. 5% will get very ill for a number of reasons and approximately half of them will die.
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  78. ​ @gianthills  No it isn't. Consensus is when all the evidence all the studies point in a certain direction. The overwhelming majority of studies support the fact that Global Warming is androgenic. It is that simple.
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  79.  Ramzey Sahrt  Well no, it evolution actually
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  80.  @debiclark4362  They are scientifically illiterate unfortunately.
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  81.  @redpillnibbler4423  What?
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  82.  @jonemery8324  No it does not work like that, mutation is rare and neutral in Eukaryotes
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  83.  Ramzey Sahrt  It wasn't. Mind you it was a nonsense post from you in the first place.
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  84.  Ramzey Sahrt  RLFT is about 75% accurate and is based on seeding a fabric lawn that can recognise the virus interaction. The TA did mine, it's ZERO to do with any sort of narrative. I got results in 45 minutes.
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  85. @Mr Krispy No. Data has to guide this and there were valid reasons for recommendations regarding masks. Gut instinct is the last thing to trust on science matters especially for the non scientist
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  86. @Mr Krispy Check my profile on physics forums under the same name. I worked in labs from 1990-2007
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  87.  @JG-fg1ye  What 'evidence' just listen to what they tell you it's not difficult. This virus kills what else do you need to know? ISOLATE
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  88.  @JG-fg1ye  So what are you saying? Besides claiming Boris didn't actually have it? You have proof of this I suppose?
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  89.  @JG-fg1ye  Ah I misread that, my apologies.
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  90.  @JG-fg1ye  You mentioned a few things that were a little off topic, this probably diluted your message
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  91.  @rosemarygriffin2184  Because you are a biologist right?
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  92.  @shottyboik4555  The vaccine was tested by persons who actually know what they are talking about
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  93.  @garyz2043  Hopefully you won't infect other people while you refuse your vaccine and spread it
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  94.  @samueladmas9752  With idiots ignoring the rules causing these spikes we get see how bad this can really get.
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  95.  @brianbrooks4448  Which lies?
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  96.  @neil1375  What agenda? Please be specific.
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  97.  @neil1375  I have been following the Science from December 2019. The idiotic conspiracy theories that have emerged since then have zero consistency between them. Everything from from the whole thing is fake to deliberate release by super powers, accidental release, Bill gates and vaccines ad infinitum. All bat shit crazy and zero to do with the actual science. So I am asking you. Which is your particular theory, which agenda?
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  98.  @neil1375  I have heard very little discussion regarding the science, the published literature. Why would you think random opinions of uneducated individuals have any use regarding Scientific progress? Unqualified opinions on COVID19 are as useful as uneducated opinions on Quantum mechanics. There is no coherent theme regarding these conspiracy theories, some are variations on a theme some are at odds with one another, ie a complete contradiction. These theories cannot all be right and judging by the level of knowledge, quote mining and down right lies I would say none of them have any basis in anything factual.
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  99.  @neil1375  So the big conspiracy according to you? What are main points?
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  100.  @Chiefmucka  Don't bother with the trolls mate, not worth your time. They know Science we don't apparently.
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  101.  @neil1375  It's a simple question, no tricks. What is the conspiracy? What are the lies told to us and what truths are out there?
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  102.  @neil1375  Hello?
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  103.  @neil1375  Ok, perhaps you don't have a conspiracy theory?
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  104.  @dianehamilton9208  Er....well no. That is not how Science works. It is not a bunch of unqualified Facebook and YouTubers deciding the are suddenly aware of virology. Only profoundly stupid people think that way. If you doubt me write a thesis on Quantum mechanics. I assure you that you are as clueless on that subject as you are on disease, virology, epidemiology, medicine, molecular biology, biochemistry, applied Biology....
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  105.  @I_hate_Google  They have been mapping this since Dec 2019 FFS just go on Google scholar.
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  106.  @skankhunt_-42  Eh? You are another virologist? Lots on yt these days
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  107.  @skankhunt_-42  Yes because 100s 1000 of published Scientists and academics Drs pathologists lab technicians and health care professionals have just decided to start lying for a living. https://www.who.int/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants
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  108.  @I_hate_Google  https://www.who.int/activities/tracking-SARS-CoV-2-variants
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  109.  @I_hate_Google  This from nature last month Article Published: 07 June 2021 Spread of a SARS-CoV-2 variant through Europe in the summer of 2020 Emma B. Hodcroft, Moira Zuber, Sarah Nadeau, Timothy G. Vaughan, Katharine H. D. Crawford, Christian L. Althaus, Martina L. Reichmuth, John E. Bowen, Alexandra C. Walls, Davide Corti, Jesse D. Bloom, David Veesler, David Mateo, Alberto Hernando, Iñaki Comas, Fernando González-Candelas, SeqCOVID-SPAIN consortium, Tanja Stadler & Richard A. Neher Nature (2021)Cite this article 19k Accesses 801 Altmetric Metricsdetails Abstract Following its emergence in late 2019, the spread of SARS-CoV-21,2 has been tracked by phylogenetic analysis of viral genome sequences in unprecedented detail3,4,5. Although the virus spread globally in early 2020 before borders closed, intercontinental travel has since been greatly reduced. However, travel within Europe resumed in the summer of 2020. Here we report on a SARS-CoV-2 variant, 20E (E
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  110.  @skankhunt_-42  All these guys just making shit up. If it's so easy apply for a job as a virologist or molecular biologist and say you are happy to take part n the conspiracy, they will snap your hand off right? ArticlePublished: 07 June 2021 Spread of a SARS-CoV-2 variant through Europe in the summer of 2020 Emma B. Hodcroft, Moira Zuber, Sarah Nadeau, Timothy G. Vaughan, Katharine H. D. Crawford, Christian L. Althaus, Martina L. Reichmuth, John E. Bowen, Alexandra C. Walls, Davide Corti, Jesse D. Bloom, David Veesler, David Mateo, Alberto Hernando, Iñaki Comas, Fernando González-Candelas, SeqCOVID-SPAIN consortium, Tanja Stadler & Richard A. Neher  Nature (2021)Cite this article 19k Accesses 801 Altmetric Metricsdetails Abstract Following its emergence in late 2019, the spread of SARS-CoV-21,2 has been tracked by phylogenetic analysis of viral genome sequences in unprecedented detail3,4,5. Although the virus spread globally in early 2020 before borders closed, intercontinental travel has since been greatly reduced. However, travel within Europe resumed in the summer of 2020. Here we report on a SARS-CoV-2 variant, 20E (E
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  111.  @skankhunt_-42  Or this paper on variants, look how many teams are working on this. https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.24.2100509
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  112.  @skankhunt_-42  The WHO tracks all sorts of diseases and he as been doing for decades. Virology did not start in 2019. Out line the conspiracy for me because every time I ask this question I get a different answer.
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  113.  @skankhunt_-42  It's not just WHO affiliated to the paper. Did you actually read any of it? What do you dispute and why?
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  114.  @redjulmar7391  Nope, they said less likely to get sick. Nothing can actually stop you getting the virus if you come into contact for long enough.
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  115.  @n1nj4l1nk  The virus has been a pathogen of concern since this started. The VOC have been added as the data has been coming in.
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  116.  @n1nj4l1nk  " As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK. There are many diseases which can cause serious illness which are not classified as HCIDs." This is called quote mining. COVID is not considered as serious as EBOLA, correct- not many are as EBOLA is a grade 4 virus, this does not mean it is not dangerous.
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  117.  @n1nj4l1nk  We lost 1800 people in 24 hours in January 2021 during lock down. That is pretty dangerous. Luckily the vaccine is now out in the population and deaths are around 20-30 even though restrictions are lifted. The vaccine is working
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  118.  @n1nj4l1nk  Why would it? Has it ever been the cause of a pandemic? Look at total deaths for Ebola. It's not that simple. This is why a number in the hands of an uneducated person is dangerous
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  119.  @n1nj4l1nk  They are not 'my beliefs' it's the published literature.
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  120.  @n1nj4l1nk  See also Quantum mechanics, cosmology, genetics, biochemistry, high energy particle physics. Trust me, you are as clueless on virology as you are on those subjects.
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  121.  @mndflnslgn2880  Nope, people get confused with the science. I can explain it. There is a virus that is killing people They developed a vaccine you need to get if you are over 18 There are some restrictions in place, they will probably be lifted. Try and follow the rules till they do.
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  122.  @redpillnibbler4423  Yeah why don't they read the published scientific articles instead? Oh that's right you don't understand them so you use conspiracy sites instead.
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  123.  @MM-jo6kg  No it won't, July 2020. Summer of love!
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  124.  @auntiemandy5638  Not that this is relevant to COVID19 where the data is still coming in but one of the issues was not to do with bacterial infections. This was to do with an over reaction of the immune system to the virus which explains why completely healthy individuals died, there was a huge spike between 17-25. So young old AND healthy died as a result in 1918
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  125.  @auntiemandy5638  Here is a paper outlining the role of the cytokeins in the immune response. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4711683/
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  126.  @auntiemandy5638  COVID19 Not only damages lung tissue permanently, it can attack other organs via the immune response causing cardiovascular including myopathy leading to arrhythmia and worse. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/
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  127.  @auntiemandy5638  Here is a study in the use of masks, how much protection do they offer? Well that is a discussion for the guys who actually know what they are talking about. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7191274/
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  128.  @auntiemandy5638  Common sense should tell you air permeates freely through a mask other wise you would suffocate pretty quickly. Moisture is captured to an extent, that's why masks WORK, to an extent. It's not difficult.
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  129. ​ @gibsonmunyi7225 What? Have you been living under a rock?
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  130.  Mal Driskel  one symptom is death, 128000 so far in the UK. Probably best remember that one.
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  131. @Mal Driskel No symptoms = asymptomatic. Scientists have words for the Science stuff
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  132. @Mal Driskel Like I said, scientists have words for things. Do you have a point?
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  133. @Mal Driskel You said symptoms with no symptoms, did I miss something else? I am reasonably intelligent (Applied Biology degree, no mater's or PhD)
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  134. @Mal Driskel What do you think the conspiracy is? Can you spell it out? I get different stories
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  135.  @FloridaMan69.  Yeah we should let him just walk across Europe yes?
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  136.  Thought Criminal  Eh? I have colleagues on the border, stop posting stupid nonsense
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  137. No.
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  138.  @rc5981  Eh?
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  139.  @BJPZINDABAD  Why did god make COVID? For that matter why did he make TB, cancer etc?
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  140.  Terry Winter  No, it's a pandemic. I know people who have died. Keep away from nonsense conspiracy theory websites and blogs and read the REAL Science. CDC, WHO Lancet BMJ etc
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  141.  Terry Winter  There isn't. It's called a virus. It's a SARS virus, the last time a significant one emerged was 2012, before that 2002. They did not go global this one has, 200 countries. 12700 dead in the UK and Delta is spreading. Good news is the vaccine appears to be doing its job.
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  142.  Terry Winter  You are asking me why some people are profoundly ignorant, stupid and or gullible? Luckily they are in the minority 42 million have already had at least one vaccine shot.
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  143.  Terry Winter  We were at 2000 cases a day two weeks ago now we at 10,000. Per day. This is due to easing of restrictions, the Delta variant which is a lot more transmissible than Alpha, the previous dominant strain in the UK AND irresponsible cretins who think it's all a conspiracy and ignore the rules and refuse the vaccine. Hospital cases ARE increasing, over 90% of those are due to Delta. Perhaps the vaccine will out run the virus? One thing is certain, if you ingore the rules and refuse the vaccine you are far more likely to end up in hospital.
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  144.  Terry Winter  This from the NHS. "ONS stats show rise in infections The latest ONS infection survey (up to 12 June) suggest that one in every 540 people is infected. The North West has the highest proportion of people likely to test positive for COVID-19 (one in 180) and Eastern England has the lowest estimate (one in 2,480). One dose of vaccine reduces hospitalisation by 75 per cent (inc Delta) PHE have released data which suggested a single dose of vaccine can reduce a person’s chance of catching COVD and needing hospital treatment by about 75 per cent (including the Delta variant). This increases to a more than 90 per cent reduction with two doses.'
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  145.  Terry Winter  https://www.nhsconfed.org/articles/covid-19-latest-developments
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  146.  Terry Winter  So, what do you think the conspiracy is exactly?
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  147.  Terry Winter  What shortages?
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  148.  Terry Winter  Look we just need to get as many vaccinated as possible then get it to counties that can't afford it. We also need to get the economy going again whilst keeping safe.
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  149.  @BJPZINDABAD  No that is ignorant nonsense. Malaria cancer TB cystic fibrosis typhoid cholera kill million of INNOCENT children every year.
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  150.  @BJPZINDABAD  You are a deluded idiot. Viruses and other pathogens are not cured by homeopathy. Homeopathy has placebo effect at best. Cancer is complex and diverse. stop posting backward superstitious shit during a pandemic is my advice
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  151.  @Michellemutts7848  Degree in applied Biology so I know about disease and the immune system. Sure naturally occurring medicine has been absorbed into modern medicine. If you have a new one write a paper on it and submit your script to a respected journal. Hint, morphine, hemp, digitalis, Botulinum toxin salicylic acid already done.
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  152.  @Michellemutts7848  Why would a 'natural' chemical have no side effects anyway?
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  153.  Terry Winter  Yes your choice. Stay safe.
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  154.  @Michellemutts7848  How much you pay for your first shot? Second? They produced at cost price and I did not pay for a thing. Boris bought 3 or vaccines in bulk BEFORE phase 3 trials were completed. I did not pay for my jabs as a baby teenager boosters or a student. I did pay to go abroad but that was holiday shots. Vaccines work have been proven to work and have improved life expectancy in the modern world from 40-80 ish
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  155.  @Michellemutts7848  How would you know what has and what does not have healing properties? What has side effects? Long lasting side effects? Have you studied pharmacology? Cellular basis of disease?
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  156.  @fingerscrossed2453  Er no. There is still an issue. Don't use Facebook for your Science
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  157.  @Michellemutts7848  Well yes of course, we don't get anything for free. Is that what you expect?
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  158.  @Michellemutts7848  Ditch all modern science then. Get rid of your cell phone, PC refrigerator AC radio TV DVD player never go to the Dr go for a scan. Get your water from the local pond or well refuse medical checks to pick up diabetes hypertension and cancer and tell your kids not to go to hospital for scans when they have kids? Or have jabs for TB Poliomyelitis and whatever the professional academics and scientists have worked out what we need? Perhaps we can long for the days of Smallpox and bring back a less than 40 life expectancy with 50% of women dying in child birth yeah!!!
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  159.  @Michellemutts7848  If you are menopausal I strongly recommend you get vaccinated. That puts you in the 45-55 age group. Why would you not get vaccinated? Do you not think they work? You said yourself that deaths are not increasing despite cases increasing 5 fold in week, why do you think that is?
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  160.  @Michellemutts7848  It's not 'still in trial' why do you keep insisting you have anything of value to say regarding virology or immunology?
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  161.  @Michellemutts7848  There have been 42 million first dose vaccinated in the UK and deaths have plummeted as a result. There is a clotting issue associated with AZ for 40 and below, this is about 1/1000000. It's safe. Under 40 Pfizer is recommended, that's what they do, constantly monitor. I felt like shit after the first for 24 hours but it passed. Fine after the second.
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  162.  @Michellemutts7848  42 is not zero risk from long COVID19, hospitalisation CCU or death. We don't actually know what the kill rate is yet because 1/Not every one who is going to die from COVID19 has yet died. 2/ we don't know many cases there have been in total. 3/Different variants have different epidemiology 4/What does 'recovery' mean? It does not necessarily mean 'as you were' We are approaching 3% kill rate. 2.8% if you crunch the numbers. This will drop to 1-2% possibly. This is WITH lockdown and WITH a vaccine since December 2020. Without those things the kill rate would be much higher with a swamped NHS. so these numbers of 99.99...... recovery are simply ignorant nonsense.
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  163.  @Michellemutts7848  Science does not work on gut feelings, even for the qualified. There are 100,000s of Scientists lab workers Drs pathologists and other qualified health care professionals trying to work this thing out. Not just one data set or team or lab or hospital but 1000s globally. They published results discuss the data then try and improve to find next steps, it's been been a huge Scientific effort and this is why we have vaccines, better treatment and good data as to risk and next steps.
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  164.  @Michellemutts7848  Ok I respect that. I care what happens to people, I also care about science and information relating to it. Especially where young people are involved. There is a lot of misinformation out there. Stay safe.
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  165.  @stuartpringle913  UK Column news spouts unscientific backward nonsense
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  166.  @BJPZINDABAD  The pandemic is not mythical, that is an insult to those that have died and will die. Get your Science from respected journals not teenage conspiracy theory websites.
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  167.  @stuartpringle913  Er..no. I read the science, the respected published journals. Where do you get your Science? Facebook?
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  168.  @stuartpringle913  I have a degree in applied Biology. Just tell me what your issue is and perhaps I can help you.
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  169.  @stuartpringle913  Just point out anything I have said that you think is incorrect.
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  170.  @fingerscrossed2453  You posted something silly
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  171.  @stuartpringle913  I am not hunting anyone down don't be dramatic. If you post something ridiculous regarding COVID19 I can respond.
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  172.  @fingerscrossed2453  I don't know I would have to scroll back. What did you post last?
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  173.  @stuartpringle913  No, it's called educated with access to Scientific publications
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  174.  @stuartpringle913  Again, just counter ONE thing you disagree with. I get my information from respected reliable sources. Science journals, you get your information from the truth pigeon that visits every Monday? From conspiracy city? In Column UK county?
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  175.  @stuartpringle913  But you're an academic so.....
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  176.  @stuartpringle913  Ok. It takes 10 seconds to post. I can only provide facts as they emerge. Take care stay safe.
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  177. This is why we have concrete blocks in cities in pedestrian areas
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  178. This is why we have concrete blocks in cities in pedestrian areas
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  179. Some strange comments. He has done the right thing which is heed the science, the modelling mainly from Imperial. He did not piss about and has given the best advice based on that. Most people have responded well. Get well soon Boris make a full recovery and keep doing what you are doing.
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  180.  @Lord_Messiah_Disciple  Ha ha Jesus! With me it's Satan.
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  181. @Emz 3103 say what?
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  182.  @user-sd2yy7vo6x  No Peter Pan is actually talking sense. You need to stay away from teenage conspiracy theory websites
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  183. @八国联军攻占北京 I thought it was all fake?
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  184.  @davyjose1978  Perhaps you are 20 something? That's good, statistically you will be fine. Your 75 year old granny wont be though. Neither will kids on chemo, or kidney transplant patients, autoimmune disorders and other conditions. Also long COVID19 is not understood.
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  185.  @davyjose1978  Column UK is one and get sent link after link for others I don't go on. The 'information' they come away with is utter nonsense.
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  186.  @davyjose1978  How deadly does it have to be for you? The virus is killing around 17,000 a day, this is WITH social distance measures AND vaccines. The situation will get worse where only a small % of the population are vaccinated.
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  187.  @davyjose1978  No, you have not said anything at all of value regarding the published Science that is driving policy. Just a load of infantile name calling. Have read any of the actual Science?
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  188.  @davyjose1978  PCR? Yeah I forgot you are a molecular biologist.
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  189.  @davyjose1978  Ok we will just write anybody over 70 off? And kids with cancer and shit yeah? We don't want to inconvenience you going to football match
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  190.  @davyjose1978  Just a question about PCR if there are a lot of false positives that means the virus is a lot more deadly yes?
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  191.  @davyjose1978  Yes 17,000 a day must be wrong because you and other unqualified conspiracy posters have access to the real data but 100s of 1000s of seasoned professional Scientists and health care workers have just decided to lie for a living.
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  192.  @davyjose1978  There papers on the mutations, possible genetic tree, Wuhan investigation, vaccines/efficacy/safety. BMJ, LANCET CDC WHO.. You need links?
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  193.  @davyjose1978  We kept things going as much as we could, essential services then lifted restrictions as cases came down. Do we lock down again? That is a much more difficult question now we have the vast majority of vulnerable vaccinated. Do we let this thing run riot with our young adults and kids? For me I would not lock down but keep masks in school and public places till we reach 80% of whatever they think will achieve herd immunity. There is the question if long COVID19 with younger people, they don't know about that.
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  194.  @davyjose1978  You have a right to ask questions, I am not as arrogant as you think. A suggestion? Physics forums. Not 'the' physics forum but 'physics forums' The site reviews the latest published literature. I was educated in Science work in Science (industry) but I am not a Scientist. Those guys are, physicists yes AND Chemists, cancer researchers, cell biologists.
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  195.  @davyjose1978  Those people are dying from covid. Accurate? No. Like I mentioned 1918 25-50 million deaths. Our numbers will be better than that for the first world regarding margin of error. Third world? No.
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  196.  @davyjose1978  ok I'll spell it out. In 1918 there was a global pandemic. Between 25-50 million died. That's a factor of 2 wriggle room. So far we are approaching 4 million dead. Our numbers in terms of accuracy will be better than 1918 especially in the first world. 128000 will be near the mark. 600,000 in the US will be near the mark. So claims these numbers are exaggerated has zero basis in anything at all Scientific.
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  197.  @davyjose1978  Ok. Firstly they don't know how many have died from COVID19. They will never know, that's the same with a lot of diseases where you have geriatric medicine and multiple factors are involved. The thing is, this discipline, pathology did not start in 2019. Cause of death. In a pandemic it's different because they need to know how big the problem is. In 2020 they took 5000 numbers of the total because the stat guys ( who also did not start being professional statisticians in 2019) did analysis based on 5 year averages. They do this year on year month by month. We will get estimates at the end of it all. I know people who have died (anecdotal you can dismiss this if you want) Phil my mate was in a care home and had dementia in his 80s. He died in April 2020. A colleague was much younger, she was late 40s. Another in a different country, he was 46 two kids. It's difficult to tease covid data from all of that. Probably a year from now when hopefully the professionals will give us an idea
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  198.  @davyjose1978  Giving 100% jabs may not be the best policy. Cohorts were not on kids to my knowledge. Say we kill 200 kids with the vaccine whereas COVID 19 would only kill 10? This is why long COVID19 has to be a consideration. We have no idea what the effects of long COVID19 may have on kids, one study 16-30 suggests there will be issues. They don't know on kids.
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  199.  @davyjose1978  What's your view on Quantum mechanics? If you doubt findings where do you go to question? I'm am trying to find out what your methods are.
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  200.  @davyjose1978  Define 'waking up' Understanding comes with education as I have said. That will not be found on facebook websites
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  201.  @davyjose1978  I care about the same things as you, my health, family friends my job the economy. I understand some of the science is all. The weird thing is about the conspiracy stuff is that none of it is needed. There is some really scary shit regarding vaccines but I have not seen any citations regarding it. Children as you said is a concern but I doubt jabs will be recommended for them. I am glad you do not think I am a TOTAL psychopath, nice to know.
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  202.  @zoedark7101  Have you ever set foot in a laboratory? Why would you say something so profoundly stupid?
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  203.  @stephenlambert9826  Of course masks work.
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  204.  @zoedark7101  Of course they can mandate it, it's called a law. Premises can do that also, it's their business and if they want you to wear a mask to enter their business they can do so. PPE has been around for decades in medical, Science and industry. It's there for a reason, it works. Viruses do not travel on their own. They travel via their host, usually body fluids like sputum, mucus. A mask can greatly reduce that risk of transmission, this is why health care professionals wear them. They work.
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  205.  @zoedark7101  This study explains some of the science. Widespread use of masks was not down to efficacy, it was down to some other factors such a false sense of security and also supply to an extent. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2#Sec3
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  206.  @zoedark7101  'I don't care.' Spoken like an intelligent adult.
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  207.  @zoedark7101  I generally don't post to change people, I post to make sure the correct information is out there. If something is very obviously wrong I will point it out. Do you distrust all Science or just the stuff you see on Facebook?
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  208.  @zoedark7101  Like I said I am not interested in changing anyone. A neutral could be reading and take a view. Which Science do you not trust? Which gives conflicting information? You trust the science that enables you to post on the internet I take it?
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  209.  @zoedark7101  I'm drunk and going to bed. Take care
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  210. @True Well no I don't know all of them, nobody does
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  211. @True As a student I fell asleep in the road, idiot. Hammered. They got my ID and dropped me off home. I had no idea where I was when I woke up. They gave me a talking to, I think I was 19 or so. They don't have time for that now, especially in Manchester and other big cities.
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  212. @Hawsey Hoolihan Bullshit
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  213.  @Vaultboy101  I don't think your question sums everything up.Can you neatly package people up like that? We have always had laws and government. Why do you think things are more authoritarian than in the 50s? Or China? Or Pakistan? You ever been there?
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  214. @Hawsey Hoolihan What you recruit police?
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  215. @Hawsey Hoolihan What is the criteria for Scientists?
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  216.  @Vaultboy101  My advice is don't scale back. There are interesting beautiful people out there. Some of which just may disagree with you.
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  217. @Hawsey Hoolihan That's weird, twenty years in a lab never met a pay master. I take it you have never set foot in a lab?
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  218. @Hawsey Hoolihan So no then. You are clueless regarding Science and the Scientific method. Zero qualifications in Science too probably. What's your view on Quantum mechanics?
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  219. @Hawsey Hoolihan If your view on the police is similar reasoning to how the science community operate, I can comfortably disregard it.
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  220.  @dilatedbeholder3865  It's obvious. Do I need to explain it?
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  221.  @BertRussie  Good post
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  222. yeah quote the Bible over Science, that will work
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  223. Who else Rayner? Ha ha!!
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  224. @Mal Driskel Because you're a virologist
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  225.  @kazthamc58  Every time I see a 'recovery' rate from the conspiracy nut jobs it's different. Why is that? Perhaps you are not immunologists and are making it up as you go along?
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  226.  @kazthamc58  You are clueless regarding biology, do you know what novel virus means? Your body has NEVER encountered it. Plenty of healthy people encounter disease and die, that's why the smart guys developed vaccines and that's why we don't die from smallpox Poliomyelitis TB and other diseases like we did 100 years ago
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  227.  @kazthamc58  We don't actually know what the kill rate is yet because 1/Not every one who is going to die from COVID19 has yet died. 2/ we don't know many cases there have been in total. 3/Different variants have different epidemiology 4/What does 'recovery' mean? It does not necessarily mean 'as you were' We are approaching 3% kill rate. 2.8% if you crunch the numbers. This will drop to 1-2% possibly. This is WITH lockdown and WITH a vaccine since December 2020. Without those things the kill rate would be much higher with a swamped NHS. so these numbers of 99.99...... recovery are simply ignorant nonsense.
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  228.  @kazthamc58  I have tried to explain why 'death rate' is not a number you can cite
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  229.  @isaac_aren  Notice how they distrust science whilst using science and technology to post that they don't trust science or Scientists? That's irony right there.
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  230.  @kazthamc58  They are not my 'assumptions' they are from the published literature. Ok let's do it this way. UK 127000 dead 66 million population. Death rate from 4.7 million cases is?
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  231.  @kazthamc58  So YouTube links to dispute science?
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  232.  @kazthamc58  Well no. Science works on published literature. Do you read any of that? The BBC dumbs it down to report to the masses because not everyone understands how biology works.
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  233.  @kazthamc58  It's not exaggerated. The stats guys look back of 5 year death toll averages. Year by year month by month. They don't know how many Covid has killed precisely, not until it's all over. Spanish flu estimates were 25-50 million globally. That's a factor of 2 wriggle room, we should get better estimates.
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  234.  @kazthamc58  Immunity may last 6-12 months. Boosters will be required as per seasonal flu.
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  235.  @kazthamc58  Yes we're on YT. I am saying don't get your primary information from it. CDC, WHO, Lancet BMJ have good resources.
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  236.  @kazthamc58  Of course they are continuing trials, they are doing that AND monitoring is situ as we speak. That's good science. They didn't just get results back from phase 3 trials and go to the pub.
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  237.  @kazthamc58  What's wrong with 12 months? Seasonal flu is also 12 months. The virus changes we need to change with it. It just means I get 2 not 1 jab per year.
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  238.  @kazthamc58  Science is not about knowing everything is knowing something that can make a difference. These vaccines are making a difference, saving lives.
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  239. No. Let's stabilise the economy first. She has messed up, probably get rid.
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  240.  @TheBestlaidschemes  No they don't where are you getting this nonsense
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  241. @KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades wrong, https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
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  242. @KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades Why do you keep saying, 'so called scientists,' then citing one over the other? Are you telling me you are in a position to judge? You are qualified?
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  243. @KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades There are hopes for a vaccine early next year. Try not to keep knocking down the scientists, they will be the guys who work this thing out.
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  244. @KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades I was quoting numbers in the states, please concentrate on one thing at a time. Estimates are as low as 26,000 deaths in one year for seasonal flu and COVID numbers are now at 100,000 WITH lock down. Why is his so difficult for you to grasp?
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  245. @KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades Vaccines with hair loss, where on earth do you get this nonsense? Do you have any science education at all?
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  246. @KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades You are in as much of a position to judge Professor Ferguson as you are a quantum physicist, none. You are just another boring arm chair internet warrior, scientifically illiterate judging by your posts, lurching from one brainless conspiracy web site to another.
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  247.  @TheBestlaidschemes  I studied immunology and microbiology at university as part of a applied Biology degree I do not need read a pop science book on vaccines. They work that's all you need to know, that's why we don't have small pox any more
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  248.  @TheBestlaidschemes  As soon as see the word, 'pharma' I know follows will be nonsense and you did not disappoint.
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  249.  @TheBestlaidschemes  Please cite the peer reviewed publication that demonstrates vaccines do not work including the programs of the 1960s.
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  250.  @TheBestlaidschemes  Polio was eradicated where there were vaccine programs it's a fact. Same with TB, MMR, smallpox this is well documented established science. What you have posted is conspiracy face book nonsense. Compatible with flat earth, it's THAT stupid.
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  251. @KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades You cite the daily mail?
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  252.  @rclrd1  No they don't, they change one particular protein via mutation then that may involve recognition by the immune system. If it's new enough, the immunity is not there. COVID is new, no one has immunity that is why it is so devastating. People who have had this new virus have gone one of two ways, recovery or death.
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  253. @KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades The Guardian is more reputable yes. I'll read it.
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  254. @KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades Of course I am a hit with the ladies, I'm a science geek AND musician.
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  255. @KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades From this 15 year old article the points you probably want to refer me too are the fact that Ferguson referred to a novel virus potentially being a global killer? They are, we are in the middle of one right now. That viruses can mutate? They do. That Spanish flu killed up to 100 million? It did. They don't know, biological mathematics is not the same as having a crystal ball. They build models and run scenarios. What scenario do we have? 382,000 deaths in 3 months. Over half seasonal flu deaths globally in a quarter of the time AND (the part you keep failing to acknowledge) WITH lockdown. Deaths in the UK from seasonal? Average given as 17,000 with lows at 2000 and highs at 28,000. COVID deaths is now at 39000, in 3 months, WITH lockdown. USA? Seasonal 26,000-83,000 (ball park, some variation here) COVID? 108,000 in 3 months. WITH lockdown. Is this sinking in yet?
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  256. @KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades It only has to be as lethal as seasonal flu to be an issue. Why? Because it's new, NO ONE has immunity, no one is vaccinated. You get it and you either react immunologically and get over it or you don't and die. A % of those that recover have impaired lung function, this has been reported in the medical literature. Rather than quote mine 15 year old articles and tabloids, read the scientific literature.
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  257. @KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades There is a programme that is looking at your questions tonight called, dispatched/dispatches or something. It's easy to look at predictions from models and say they are wrong after the fact. What is is you are really after in this? Insults/joking aside. A crack at the models and Imperial? Ferguson's teams? That they are not good enough? Not even NASA are without major screw ups, Hubble lens? Appollo 13? Challenger? These guys are the best we have at the moment.
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  258. @KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades Herd immunity was an option, let everyone get it? Yeah sure but the number of deaths was not the only issue here, there was always the NHS capacity issue. We did lock down and prevented that. An inundated health service would prevent far more cancer /trauma and transplant ops. I may lose my job trust me I am not happy about the situation either but the choices were always going to harm the economy either way. Glad your nan got over it.
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  259. @KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades Ok, well fingers crossed that we can restart the economy. I'll keep an eye on the numbers and we can cross swords again when we are out of it.
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  260. @lisa450 No. Cancer treatments and other critical care was continued because the NHS was not inundated with COVID cases.
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  261.  @shaneredgate3128  I thought this was all supposed to be fake? Can you guys please clarify the conspiracy?
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  262.  @shaneredgate3128  What you posted is unscientific nonsense. Phages kill bacteria. Don't get your Science off Facebook
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  263. That was pretty shit, superposition, entanglement, measurements and probabilistic nature of QM is what makes it difficult and different. The POLA is also a feature of classical mechanics. Rubbish Brian C -
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  264.  @user-zz9gn2dc3l  Wrong. You never heard of anyone dying from an infectious disease before?
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  265.  @shamadooee  No that's not it at all, covid can make you seriously ill and can result in death. That's the issue.
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  266.  @shamadooee  We do not have a shortage of vaccines. The uptake is good but skewed. They are offering over 18s now which is good. In the UK that is.
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  267.  @shamadooee  You also have to bear in mind that anti body tests are quite sophisticated, usually involving some molecular biological test that run over night. Superfast kit available possibly? Don’t know but it will be no where near as fast and sitting down getting a jab. The vaccines are available and COVID is out there it need to be reduced to seasonal flu levels then we can work out who needs to have boosters.
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  268. ​ @alikhaled7089 People are dying what you talking about?
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  269.  @Dark_Harmony  Stupid comment, how about the attack on the WTC prior? Or events in Africa? What happened with the Nazis before 1930s Germany? 3000 people were incinerated in hours and attack after attack happened after that in Europe including my city in the UK.
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  270.  @alikhaled7089  Probably not keen on terrorism. STOP labelling people because they detest murderers.
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  271.  @vltchekandre5084  5G? What are you talking about?
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  272.  @ramonlopez9440  Can someone clarify the conspiracy? I thought it was supposed to be fake? The virus, all of it.
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  273.  @zhangjin5120  Yeah I remember now. Wow gullible idiots will really believe any childish conspiracy stupid shit they read
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  274.  @ramonlopez9440  So what is the conspiracy this time? COVID 19 is real? Released from a Wuhan lab? By who? Deliberately?
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  275.  @yetundeanbali4827  We are trying, by winning it.
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  276.  @pianospawn1  Because the immune system does not work in years it works quickly. If it didn't there would not be much point as the pathogen would have already killed you. The cohort studies have been huge, unprecedented and are continuing. The risks are very low
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  277.  @rc5981  Post the link
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  278. Wow, I used to vote for these guys.
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  279.  @oscarcat1231  Poliomyelitis has been around for 1000s of years before DDT was invented.
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  280.  @dominicsteward5595  Do you know what a vaccine is?
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  281.  @dominicsteward5595  Evidence?
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  282.  @winstonsmith1515  It's all in Google scholar for free. Plenty of studies on sera/polyclonal antibodies and neutralisation of the variants. The thing is the conspiracy/ bill gates/ G4 guys are focusing on the WRONG issue. There ARE concerns in the Scientific community but they are nothing to do with anything I've seen on the net. What's the problem? Evolution. The vaccine can cope with so many mutations and still be effective, at least with severe disease that is the hope. If an unexpected twist happens in terms of virulence via mutation then it's a matter of running to play catch up. Data is promising so far regarding severe disease however.
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  283.  @winstonsmith1515  Papers started coming out of the Wuhan data early doors.
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  284.  @72GLM  I'm not in the field. My degree is from the 80s/90s. I am a technologist not a Scientist. I have been keeping up with research as I have an interest in the subject and I am worried about how this going to pan out.
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  285.  @72GLM  There is a genetic map of COVID19's genetic progress globally and it may surprise you. I'll find the link. Physics forums has a great section on COVID19. It's free, published papers if you do a search.
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  286.  @72GLM  Here is a paper but notice the date, this is only July with data sets accumulated well before this. Notice the break points where you get branching and about halfway through you get a geographical distribution. So this is prior to some of these really nasty variants that are now with us. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0771-4?s=09&fbclid=IwAR1SLAHwOSF47C4GDXMHh3uZFWNSKqcn5xDVsTpX1ScMKeLejNgMOv0LgBw
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  287.  @dominicsteward5595  Most vaccines are based on attenuated forms of the virus, Phizer isn't. That does not matter, what you need to understand is how your immune system works. Encountering an antigen for the first time is not the same as encountering for a second time. You can die from smallpox, polio, COVID19 first time infection. With a vaccine you not only greatly reduce your risk of dying you also have much less chance of getting sick and passing it on once vaccinated. How? This is because anti bodies have been primed and are already fighting the virus when you encounter it via an infected person or surface. It cannot damage many cells in your lungs and other tissues quickly enough to escape anti bodies. So this means you do not get as Ill AND allow the virus to use you as production mill to make copies of itself to pass on and keep the cycle going. Just Google immune system wiki. Also, virus life cycle.
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  288.  @dominicsteward5595  Stick to the published studies, real data. Science really does work Dominic, you trust it in other parts of your life. It is not infallible but it is the best pathway to what is really going on.
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  289.  @dominicsteward5595  Vaccines are have been proven to be effective time and time again. What you are posting is from non Scientific web sites. If you have a clear argument regarding these claims I can recommend a website that is policed by scientists and academics. Physics forums. It's free, go on there get free membership read the rules and say hello. Then you can ask your questions. Just be clear with your sources, citations.
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  290.  @dominicsteward5595  I never said it stops transmission! Do you not know anything about the immune system or disease?? Please read a basic book on Biology I can't hand hold you through high school Science. Vaccines PREPARE the immune system. Please look up. Antigens Antibodies Immune system Vaccines Poliomyelitis Smallpox
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  291.  @dominicsteward5595  I already explained how they work in the other post!
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  292.  @dominicsteward5595  This is my last post because you have to do some work on your own. You have some basic misunderstanding on immunity and disease. Viruses make you Ill because they damage cells. They damage cells because they stick to them, then incorporate it's genome into cell and use it's machinery to make copies of itself. If it does this in your epithelium of the lungs you cannot breathe properly. That is ONE way COVID19 makes you sick. Obviously a vaccine in your body cannot stop a foreign antigen getting in. If someone with COVID19 breathes in my face and I inhale that mIst of vapour there is a good chance a virus will enter my lungs. Vaccinated people have a prepared immune system, via various cell signalling antibodies disrupt the virus cycle before it gets a chance to make you ill or kill you. Do you understand?
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  293. So can we agree on what the conspiracy is? COVID 19 is fake? COVID 19 is real but Facebook confirms it's just like flu, OR COVID 19 was a release from a Wuhan lab?
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  294.  @davyjose1978  Of course masks work, employees have been wearing PPE for decades. Where rules are ignored and vaccine uptake is low cases are higher. Measures are working and so is the vaccine.
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  295.  @davyjose1978  I would suggest you stay away from the Scientifically illiterate conspiracy theory websites and perhaps read some of the published literature from studies.
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  296.  @davyjose1978  Nope, that was not the concern at all. Firstly there was a worry about supply, the NHS was going to be overwhelmed at a time policy was going to implement mask wearing. That proved correct, the NHS was overwhelmed with staff pushed to the max overtime holidays delayed AND extra masks required. The last thing we needed was supply to the people who needed them most being compromised. Secondly there was a concern people would get a false sense of security and practice risky behaviour. I know how to wear a mask, I have been wearing them since the 1980s, the general public don't that has been obvious since the start of this despite updates from the government. Plus we have unqualified people on Facebook who think a quick Google is the same as an education in Science, it isn't. Severe illness is low whilst vaccine uptake is high although cases are going up. The vaccine is working. Masks work, sanitizer works social distance measures work. It's not difficult to work these things out. You could make up your own Science? Is that what you are doing?
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  297.  @swanyjbeautytravelvlog  What should be scary to you is the fact 128,000 have died from COVID19. Why is the vaccine scary? You afraid of needles?
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  298. They don't, why do you need to know? Are you a virologist?
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  299.  @AwRighttttt  Why? What's the issue?
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  300.  @alexwatson5507  Read the published literature instead
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  301.  @paincult7121  What did they do wrong? I think they made two main mistakes myself. Some things they got right.
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  302.  @paincult7121  When Italy started to get serious that's when we should have acted yes. School back in September mistake, PPE and letting India back before the deadline although not sure what Boris could have done on that. Leave them to rot?
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  303.  @gandiganda5  Get a tin foil hat
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  304.  @gandiganda5  I see you spam the same brainless post on other sites too
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  305.  @lovelyjubbly1023  sure he is, so is Gandalf
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  306.  @Descartes999  Yeah because highly educated dedicated professional Scientists and published academics have just decided to start lying for a living.
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  307.  @Descartes999  Have they? Please forward the peer reviewed published articles from these highly educated Scientists and we can discuss.
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  308.  @KidDynamite40  Ha ha!! Great comment (Galileo)
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  309.  War Dog  I think what she meant regarding the autism post is that people are stupid on the whole and many think a few visits on you tube and FB is the same as a obtaining a science degree.
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  310.  @sikeda8423  Have you read any of the published scientific literature regarding Covid?
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  311.  @sikeda8423  Covid is a killer, why are you posting ignorant nonsense?
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  312.  @ethicalrevolution3294  Yes we have the internet warriors telling us like it is! I have a feeling that they will only realise that this is a serious disease when it jumps up and bites hem on the ass or someone they know.
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  313.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  Of course vaccines work, do you know anything atball about science?
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  314.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  I studied virology/microbiology when I was a student then worked on labs from 1990-2007 so I know how the scientific method works. I know how the immune system works, vaccines and a lot of the back ground information. Why do I post? I am passionate about science I think it advances our species and untruths have to be called out. Children may be reading.
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  315.  War Dog  If you are a liar and a scientist then you walk on thin ice. You have to publish lies which are under scrutiny from the scientific community. Even as a genuine person researching in earnest publication leads to the same sort of scrutiny. It's not a perfect system but in terms of finding out what is right, what is not right and all those grey areas it's the best system we have.
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  316.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  COVID is not like a 'cold' Influenza is not a cold. Influenza kills people, around 17,000 per year in the UK on average. My colleague is at present working hard on a vaccine (not COVID) for next year's stock. Seasonal flu has vaccines available, I get mine free, COVID does not as it is new. Encountering the virus for the first time then means you are going in naked with no protection. A vaccine will offer protection once developed.
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  317.  War Dog  Wrong about what? Why do you think an uneducated, ignorant person would have insight on a scientific matter?
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  318.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  There is literature on COVID already published regarding key proteins and mutation rates. From what I remember they manage to sequence it's genome very quickly and indications are mutation rate is slow. If I find the link I will forward. Yes viruses do mutate on the whole their genomes are fairly plastic, this is why simply developing a vaccine and then mass producing it only works within certain limits. They have to be adjusted, refined from year to year or they would not work.
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  319.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  I don't make vaccines btw, I have colleagues who do.
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  320.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  To be clear having a vaccine is not 100% guarantee you will not get it, just like getting chicken pox as a kid does not mean you can't get it as an adult. They give an enormous advantage however, if they were fairly ineffective then they would not pass all the testing. The spend a huge amount on testing the efficacy of the vaccines, not just development.
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  321.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  I've spoken to one guy who will send me a link to some of the publications, his wife gets updates from the WHO too.
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  322.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  Drs don't just hand out opioids, I dislocated my shoulder playing 5 a side (brutal sport) and he only have me 3 or 4 days worth of decent stuff. Very morish.
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  323.  War Dog  Science is built on facts faith is built on......I don't know. Wish thinking.
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  324.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  co dydramol I think
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  325.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  I'm not famous no, I'll get back on your points as there are a few factual errors.
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  326.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  You don't have to be so rude/angry, I think I've been respectful. It's late now, I'll reply tomorrow.
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  327.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  Yes, if he virus mutates that means a sequence changes enough that could alter a key protein. This could mean the immune system no longer 'recognises' it. This is why vaccines are constantly tested, year to year.
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  328.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  I've already told you they adjust them then they test them. If vaccines don't work they cannot use them. There are some vaccines that have been researched that have not been successful and you can find examples of these but influenza is not one of them.
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  329.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  You have made a few assumptions and I guess I have let you run with them but I do not like dishonesty. I have a first degree in applied Biology, I do not have a PhD. My first job was in organic synthesis in R&D but I moved from there and now I am a specialist rather than a scientist. I am connected with industry rather than academia and my skills are more chemistry and physics related rather than life science. I have kept up with progress however and all my contacts are valid (R&D, vaccines and drugs as well as other disciplines)
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  330.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  Mutation rates vary as I said, I'll dig that paper out on the COVID stuff. Can I ask what your overall objections are in a nutshell? Vaccines on the whole don't work or just some? It just a money thing? If my company made a vaccine and it was not effective (say 20-30% of cases only) then this would be reported. This would be exploited by competing manufacturers who could demonstrate its (lack of) efficacy quite easily. They would be exposed, scientists compete, it's what they do, if they think there is a flaw in a method, hypothesis, data set or experiment set up they will bend over backwards to prove that team wrong. This is why science progresses the way it does and technology and industry (my bag) run along after it trying to keep up.
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  331.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  I think you mentioned SARS at some point? COVID is a SARS virus, SARS describes the illness specifically.
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  332.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  You are asking the right questions, science needs to be challenged.
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  333.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  That's a good point, I have read that the spread is beyond that of many other viruses like SARS 1, MERS, bird flu and a few others. Research suggests that where the viral particles are issued from host and the number are the key factors. Upper respiratory tract, lower, throat nose etc. COVID from memory is upper and the number is very high. Don't quote me on this because the article was from March and these publications were coming out very fast to try and keep the science community informed. The mode of transmission is still unclear, for me this virus has droplet infection written all over it, why? (This is the first personal speculation I am giving, everything else is widely available in the literature) the speed of transmission, I don't think a contagious infection would take hold so quickly. Also the range of spread, all those countries (263) in a matter of 2-3 months? This suggests air ports, lots of people and close space. There are plenty of fomites but airports are clean and population transient. I could be wrong and fomites may be the biggie
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  334.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  Pinball virus! Ha ha like it. You know I made a COVID model in February and put it on my desk and the guys were asking what it was? Everyone knows now I think.
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  335.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  There is a site you can visit for MMR that documents vaccine programs and out breaks. That data will tell you all you need to know. You also find data on polio and other pathogens like TB. The science is the same, get the pathogen design an analogue / attenuated (weakened version) use this to stimulate antibodies (and back up systems that go with it)
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  336.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  You mean how do they make a vaccine? A new one? I don't know. I don't know how precisely is the short answer. Imprecisely? They get the relevant virus and test the current vaccine, if it fails the testing they isolate the current virus and attenuate it. From memory, via chemical, heat or other means. I'm getting shaky now without Google.
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  337.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  It's weekend mate! I've been honest with you so far, I am not going to make up answers. I'll contact my mate today, he's got 3 kids so takes advantage of the weekend. His job is pretty important right now!
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  338.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  I'll answer the parts I can. If everyone got the flu jab this would do two things, 100% of people would have immunity to that particular antigen. A % would probably still get symptoms, I'll, die. What % ? I don't know. Testing involves in Vivo and I can't go into detail on that for obvious reasons. You can assume testing in Vaccine A gives 55% immunity ie gives rise to anti bodies is rejected. 95% accepted? I don't know, perhaps it's 98? Next stage, does the antibody recognise the TARGET virus? If not it's useless, rejected. It does not matter if the viruses mutates all they need is a version of it. If the virus mutates out of site then this will make the process difficult if not impossible. I don't know what the deal with HIV is for instance, I am guessing it's because T lymphocytes are part of the viral cycle.
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  339.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  On a specific, viruses mutate when they make copies of them selves, ie when they have hi jacked a cell. COVID left on a surface will not mutate.
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  340.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  Like I said Andy you are asking some pretty decent questions. Someone who does this for a living, day to day would give you better answers. I'll chase him, we went to University together (he was brilliant at maths) he did Pharmacology and I would have wiped the floor with him at this subject 30 years ago. Now he is near the top of his field! You are spot on with a few points, some viruses have no Vaccines and may never have them, HIV recognised as a virus around 1981, 40 years later??? Common cold? Rhinovirus? Nope. There must be others, EBOLA is a nasty one too, 80-90% morality, they were working on one, a three in one Vaccine. Not sure how that panned out. COVID? I have hope, we have other flu vaccinations (since 2011 mine seems to have been ok) I know you have doubts on those but let's see what I get back.
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  341.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  Yes I read the autism thing, an awful condition. My ex worked with kids with special needs and she said the two autistic kids they had were the most upsetting. Physically fine but she could not reach them, terrible for the parents.
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  342.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  I had my TB jab booster at 15 and nearly passed out! TB was a killer but is now rare. Immigration rates over the last 20-30 years has seen many cases brought to the UK from abroad. Some strains resistant. The hard truth is that soon, antibiotics will be ineffective, for ALL infectious diseases. We need a shift in thinking, drug treatments of that kind are not the way forward.
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  343.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  Yeah I can be an arrogant ass hat at times, I want to connect though. Put real info out there, you are a decent guy. I'll feed back soon Andy. Cheers
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  344.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  He got back Andy
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  345.  War Dog  I was not being nasty btw, ignorant just means not having knowledge of something. I am ignorant on many science subjects.
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  346.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  The virus is not man made as Corona viruses have been around as long as there has been microbes probably. In terms of this virus in particular? My opinion is not worth much but Trump is pointing fingers at China, perhaps something could have gone badly wrong in terms of study and containment. I don't know. It's possible, the science will come out when it's died down.
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  347.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  The costs involved n terms of development and testing are huge. Yeah they make a profit otherwise they could not operate. Don't forget though that I get mine free on the NHS as do many other groups and the relative health authorities have budgets.
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  348.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  You could say that about a lot products though yes? Beer? Ever done home brew? I did and I managed to knock out some great stuff for pennies per pint once I had bought all the kit. I hand over nearly £5 in Manchester for a pint of Stella! Who gets all that money!? Same with drugs however operation costs are huge like I said. My mate gets audited by more than one body per year for instance and those daily rates are enormous, then all other operation costs. If they fuck up and send out a dud batch the government would come down so hard on them financially it would probably put them out of business. They need the best, costs are very high and lives are at stake.
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  349.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  My flu jab has protected me thus far. I hope I don't get this thing, I ended up in hospital just from a chest infection because of my asthma. Protect yourself Andy this thing is a killer but I think the end is in sight.
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  350.  @Andyburns-vt6rs  Good luck Andy and keep asking the hard questions. Try and give me and the guys in white coats a little slack if you can, we try our best!
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  351.  @redpillnibbler4423  Yeah because you're a biologist
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  352. A terrible situation. Idiots in the UK with conspiracy theories from their first world position
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  353.  @ange1098  What's a fact? You have access to Scientific knowledge that I don't? Where you get that? FB? Twitter?
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  354. @Rosemary Griffin 'you can stick your vaccine' Then natural selection will run its course.
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  355.  @siriusmagus2492  Stop spreading unscientific stupid shit during a pandemic
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  356.  @justdogood7413  Er nope. It IS pure fiction. Paranoid deluded nonsense.
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  357. @The Hermit I had the jab and now I'm a wizard. It's awesome.
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  358.  @siriusmagus2492  You may be a great guy, smart guy but what you have posted is nothing to do with the published literature. The actual science. If you have a Scientist with a different view great, forward the citation of the peer reviewed published article from that scientist. Yes I am a fan of Dawkins, I have read all his books. Some were recommended for my applied Biology degree.
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  359.  @siriusmagus2492  Eh? I've not deleted anything?
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  360.  @siriusmagus2492  Was Dawkins charged? Please forward the citation. It seems everyone on planet earth has been on that Island.
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  361.  @siriusmagus2492  What do you think the conspiracy is? Please outline it.
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  362. Scientists: Don't delay giving the AZ vaccine EU: What about all these blood clots? Scientists : statistically insignificant, delaying the program will lead to big problems. EU: So anyways, we thought they were probably right since they have been right so far about the Science stuff but by then....
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  363. Loved him, always stealing his lines. RIP
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