Comments by "pinball1970" (@pinball1970) on "Is There Life After This Life? | 5 Minute Video" video.

  1. Absurd childish nonsense. I dont suppose you have any evidence for any of your claims?
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  2. +castcreator. Ok this is interesting. Have you studied any of the archaeology?
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  3. +Romar S Not really, my idea of evidence is not usually the same as creationists or other theists. I can still ask though, one can hope.
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  4. +megalopolis. Yes there SHOULD some sort of cosmic justice for sentient beings, it makes sense from our point of view and the fact we exist. Evidence is that accidents happens chaos happens bad people dont get punished kids get cancer at 3 and die before they are 5 women die in child birth. We evolved we were not created why should there be justice just for mankind? Justice started when? 200,000 years ago? Its nonsense. The universe is hostile cold hot unpredictable deadly we should be counting our chickens not bitching there should be more after we are dead.
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  5. +castcreator " jesus being God is man made" Correct, gods are man made also.
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  6. +castcreator How do you know any of those events in the OT are real? Based on facts?
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  7. +The821821 I know what you are saying but I no longer think the bible is unsophisticated. The gods are made up and the times violent and barbaric but the writing is not. I am impressed with the way some of these stories were put together and it is a window into these times. I have studied much more since I became an atheist, the terrible passages that bothered me as a christian make much more sense to me now as an atheist and I dont have to shy away from from them or make excuses. Its obvious they were NEVER inspired by a loving creator.
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  8. +castcreator. A god ordering the rape and murder of children and the anihilation of entire towns is barbaric and tribal. That is what I was getting at, the writing itself from I have read is sophisticated. They were very clever people.
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  9. +castcreator. Are you Jewish? I have talked to many theists but hardly any jews.
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  10. +castcreator "no where is that commanded BY GOD" God ordered the killing of every man woman and child except for the virgin girls. Do you need the ref?
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  11. +castcreator. Lets try and be nice. I have talked to just about every group but virtually no Jewish people. There are many progressives and atheists but still class themselves as Jewish as an ethnic/cultural group. I take it you are a creationist? Orthodox?
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  12. +Steven Miller "Let's say you have nothing and then from absolutely nothing, everything now exists. Please tell me how you can make even one thing from nothing, ok?" Scientistis (the ones who are answering these questions) do not speak like this. They build mathematical models and test them. This is how we found out about atoms molecules life on earth and the cosmos. Why do religious people think that unanswered scientific questions somehow support a god? Not knowing does not = god. Storms does not = god or the movement of the moon or stars or death birth famine or a bad case of boils. Science answers the questions that religious put down to gods devils and other unsupported childish nonsense.
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  13. +Thesilentkiller "Jesus came down to save all" I dont need saving, the concept of original sin is absurd and I dont need a human scape goat to die for me. That is a vile idea.
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  14. +Thesilentkiller "Let me ask you a question how did life start?" Another science question? Look if you are interested in science why dont you study it? Rather than say "I dont know therefore jesus?"
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  15. +Thesilentkiller "none of your scientific nonsense" What scientific nonsense? You mean like the computer you are using the call science nonsense? Irony in there somewhere and hypocrisy. Why don’t you ditch all the scientific nonsense things in your life and replace them with the superstitious backward tribal methods of jesus time? Your PC cell phone? Done go to the Dr for a scan when you are ill just go to a witch Dr or something?
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  16. +Thesilentkiller "Go head prove good does not exist" How can I prove a negative? There is no god I reject your claim, YOUR claim. Its up to you to give me evidence.
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  17. +Thesilentkiller "you not know how life started" Please dont pretend you are interested in this question. You think god did it, this is lazy and cowardly. I study science, the real stuff. This is where the answer will come from
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  18. +Thesilentkiller "if you study science you can tell me how life started and how it got here" The scientists have not answered that question. They don’t know, yet. Plenty of ideas plenty of evidence but it has not been put together convincingly into one coherent theory. Deep sea vents are promising and it is a fact that Kgs of organic material fall from deep space to earth on a regular basis. If the first replicating molecule did not form here it could have formed somewhere else and fell to earth.
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  19. +Thesilentkiller https://www.popsci.com/researchers-make-artificial-cells-that-can-replicate-themselves
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  20. +Thekiller some info in that post. MIT have done pretty fancy work in this area
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  21. +ThesilentKiller "So?" So the question of how things got started, or something from nothing may have no scientific meaning. In terms of how life started yes that is a good a question and there is plenty of research in this area but simply looking for a gap in our scientific understanding or knowledge to squeeze a god into is lazy. I am an a atheist BECAUSE I worked hard to study the Bible and Biblical history. NOT because I am a fan of science and needed to get rid of god. If you are convinced about jesus and god you would not need to ask questions of science.
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  22. +Andrew Krom "You can have a clear understanding you can read the Bible!" I do, thats why Im an atheist.
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  23. + Virtuoso Why is my statement childish? We know for a fact the Bible is based on myths, those that have taken the time to actually study it know this. So we know for a fact that the creation myth is just that, a myth yet people ignore evidence and still accept it as true because it is in the Bible. This is either very stupid very dishonest- I chose absurd, I think thats kinder. I just reject the evidence for his god. Tell me, do you reject any evidence for gods? If you do please explain why that stance is or is not childish (by your own reasoning)
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  24. +Virtuoso you replied but I cant find it, pls use the reply botton. You said something about Hitchens? You called him a "notorious" atheist, what is that? One cant be a "notorious" atheist, one is just an atheist. Its just a rejection of a claim, we reject a claim. Do you not reject any claims? Does this make you notorius? Or just someone who has rejected a claim?
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  25. +virtuoso - you removed it?
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  26. +Virtuoso. Use the reply and then +pinball that way I get an alert I can find it. Yes I got it now. "Notorious" has a very negative connotation. “Famous” atheist fits better, obviously theists are not going to like what he said and wrote I get that. Anyway can god be disproven? No. I cant disprove god but I cant disprove any god, Thor Baal Mars or leprechauns for that matter. We can disprove the Bible though. Much of the OT quite easily.
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  27. +Virtuoso OT? Really? The creation story is myth taken from other cultures that predate the bible, obviously Adam and Eve are fictional.The Flood - taken from other myths- also completely fictional. Zero evidence for an Exodus.Obviously the battles of joshua are embellished, completely made up? Perhaps he was a great warrior but I am sure the sun did not stop in the sky. Why? Because the sun does not move in the sky- only person ignorant of planetary motion would invent this story. The Patriarch's stories are inconsistent in fact and history. Zero supporting history because the Bible was written much later than the purported events.
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  28. +Virtuoso "I did use Notorious for a well fitted reason. Chris Hitchens had debated many Theists in his time, but he hadn't brought knowledge to the table on any of his debates" Which ones! is this a different Hitchens?? There is one debate where there are 4 theists academics and just Hitchens on his own and he still outclassed them. His knowledge was never lacking
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  29. Virtuoso "It's highly improbable that life was created out of pure accidental chance" Who said this? You? Why do religious people think they are experts in evolution abiogenesis and cosmology? I really dont get that one. I have debated more theists regarding evolution than I can remember and the overwhelming thing that comes across from is that they do not understand the theory! They dont even know what a theory is! They think it is not quite as good as a law or something. Complete nonsense.
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  30. +Virtuoso Yes I have seen most of those. He could rant yes- he was passionate.
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  31. +Virtuoso Read all of Dawkins except the extended phenotype and the auto biography. Hawking? He was a physicist not an evolutionary biologist. I have not read his papers as they are too technical. I have only read a Brief history. I have read Nick Lane Jerry Coyne Matt Ridley Nessa Carey Mark Ridley. I have a degree in applied biology- I had to read some of them.
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  32. +Virtuoso That is not a scientific theory. A scientific theory is an explicit framework that explains the facts and agrees with experimental data. If a theory does not agree with experiment it is WRONG. The Theory of evolution is as water tight as atomic theory or quantum theory. Why? Because it has been tested again and again verified re-verified by different teams of scientists and experts and the body of evidence has grown decade by decade. There are not many theories that have the rigour that TOE has.
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  33. +Virtuoso. "The sun sure does seem to move in the sky" Yes and cows on the hill appear to be one inch in height. There are not, the sun does not move at all relative to the earth we orbit it. The only way the sun could stop is if the world stopped turning. That would annihilate the planets mantel and every living thing larger than a microbe on it.
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  34. +Vitruoso "On a side note: Roman and Greek philosophers believed the earth orbited..before science" No before the bible, that WAS early science. Conclusions based on observation and evidence not revelation. Galileo finally proved the Bible was wrong and nearly got killed by the church for it.
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  35. +Virtuoso "There is no argument without reasonable doubt that proves any story in the bible to be fictitious. Otherwise, I would have found it by now" There was no creation Adam or Eve or flood - NO historian or scientist thinks this account is based on facts.
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  36. +Virtuoso "Did the people then, only start talking after the bible was written?" No the bible writers were not the first writers, the Gilgamesh pre dates the bible and tells of the flood (in Cuneiform) with a different god and people. This is where the bible writers got the story. Its just a story- Biblical scholars do not think other wise
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  37. +Virtuoso "not only did Adam and Eve predate the bible, they were the first of mankind;" No there is evidence of settlements camps caves societies all over southern Europe and Africa of Ancient tribes going 100s of 1000s of years. I thought you read a lot? We evolved from an ape like ancestor about 7 millions years ago. Read some proper science. Leaky Dart Dubois found some of the first examples of early man. Then Johanson Tim White and others. Mountains of evidence.
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  38. +Virtuoso Are you telling me you are really interested in the science? What you have posted is ZERO to do with the theory of evolution, Darwin had no idea at all about abiogenesis or Carbon dating how could he? This was developed much later and is concerned with physics and Chemistry so I ask you again. Are you qualified to make judgements on matters of science? Some very smart people have worked this out and it has been verified again an again.
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  39. +Virtuoso "Science has continuously evolved and challenged or disproved earlier science. What was once right then is not necessarily right now." Yes it improves, it gets stronger. We dont throw the baby out with the bath water though. Newtons laws are still valid and are excellent approximations. Einstein refined the theory of gravity with his theory of general relativity but this is not the whole story because it does not apply in black holes or at the big bang, it breaks down and infinities appear. It also does not agree with quantum mechanics. Darwin was wrong about a few things, about how genetic information is passed on and in what form. Hardly surprising since he did not know about genes or DNA- this came later. He was right about common ancestry and natural selection they key tenets of evolution
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  40. +Virtuoso. "No evidence of ancient civilizations in Africa... You got to be kidding. Even scientists believe human life originated in Africa..." Where did I say no evidence? I said there is lots of evidence going back millions of years.
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  41. +Virtuoso."So if a well renowned scientist can explain orbit in lamens terms, you can also relate the sun to moving in the sky." my son got it, I just got a torch and a globe. He was about 8 or 9. The reason it was described this way is because men invented the story.
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  42. +Virtuoso "It wasn't until then in which he had went on his rampage to find an alternative theory opposed to religion" This is flat out wrong, he discovered how life on earth originated using the scientific method which obviously changed his view of the creation story in the Bible. He originally went looking for “centres of creation” as those described in the bible during his voyages. His faith became less important as his life progressed, this can happen and I am sure losing children affect this.
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  43. +virtuoso "Also, the speed of light being a constant is not, light can slow down" The speed of light in a vacuum is c. This is a fact.
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  44. + Virtuoso "why isn't that we have found species going through extreme transitional phases" Why would a species go through an "extreme" change? The theory does not say this. Natural selection leads to changes in gene frequency over time. You clearly do not know much of the details.
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  45. +Virtuoso "To instantaneously assume all science is correct is a belief system in itself." This is utter nonsense, do you know how science works?No one who knows anything at all about the scientific method thinks ALL science is correct I am not even sure what that means. There are theories that are tested against the observable data, if they fit the data (Like TOE, atomic theory Quantum mechanics) then that particular theory gains some strength. New methods/teams test existing theories in different ways, if a hole is found it does not mean the whole thing is wrong (just like the whole thing is not right) it just means there is a limitation in that area that needs further investigation and clarification.
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  46. +Virtuoso "our earth is 4.54 billion of years old, this conflicts with astrophysics formation of stars" Does it? If you are an astrophysicist why did you not open with that? What papers have you published?
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  47. +Virtuoso "I'll agree with you in the sense that there may have been many other contributing factors to the loss of his faith." The fact is he was a theist and the facts he found changed his mind about the Biblical creation. He did not want to publish Origin because he knew the repercussions would be severe and they were. He lost friends and gained enemies including the church. Not something he did lightly.
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  48. +Virtuoso "I don't necessarily disregard all theory but I do take them with a grain of salt." Like quantum theory? Which parts do you take with a grain of salt?
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  49. +Virtuoso "To be biased and entertain only one theory and disregard all others will only hinder advances within science." What other theory is there for the origin of species? Did I miss a lecture?
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  50. +Virtuoso "The only reason the origins of evolution has lingered for so long is simply because atheists would feel they succumbed to religion" TOE is zero to do with atheism, TOE is a good theory because it has been verified. Research has moved on and focus is now on the nature of our genome and how genes are regulated aging cancer and other diseases. Here is an interesting link- research just out (its zero to do with atheism!) https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/what-type-of-bacteria-evolved-into-mitochondria.945979/
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  51. +virtuoso "People need a purpose, without evolution atheists wouldn't be content." Speak for yourself, at some point I will die and will be dead forever. I am happy with the fact I am here now have people who love me care for me make time for me and I with them. That is my purpose, I want to be the best I can be have some fun and explore the universe.
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  52. +Virtuoso "Well, when given enough time evolution assumes anything can turn into anything" No! Who said that. Natural selection influences what changes take place. Natural selection is the filter and the process is slow (usually). Please read a decent book on this, a good one is "Evolution" Mark Ridley.
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  53. +Virtuoso "So, why is it paleontologists have not found transitional fossils?" I am not sure what you are asking, I dont think you want answers. Suffice to say they have found "transitional" fossils although the name is misleading. Species dont "change" they ARE. I and every single person on the planet is not going to transform in ANY way at all. We are and we are fixed now but out offspring will be different genetically that is step one, the ability to produce variant offspring, their off spring will be different again. We can go back 200,000 years or so and we are different genetically but still"human" by our definitions. Same with some other species go back one million years and things are different again. !00 million years? Any people? No? Any ancestors? yes.
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  54. +Virtuoso. Theories are not proven they are falsified. You can never prove a theory you only prove mathematical theorems, Pythagoras theorem for example, in a Euclidian universe (ie with Euclidian axioms) you can prove the theory. I stated that TOE has been verified because many attempts have been made to falsify it that is what good scientist’s do, the build a theory the attempt to falsify it. I cannot prove the moon orbits the earth but I can provide irrefutable evidence for the statement. Quantum theory makes exquisite predictions and this has been verified using many different methods. Paul Dirac’s equations predicted the existence of an impossible particle, it did not make sense at all but a few years later they found it (positron) That is what good science does, it makes good predictions. TOE does that and it one of the most tested theories in the history of science. It was discovered by a theist and no doubt most of the scientists at that time were theists.
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  55. +virtuoso "it still wouldn't change my mind" That is where we are different then, strong evidence should always make one re-think ones stance. I was a theist (christian) eventually the evidence became too strong to hold onto my stance that there was any real basis to the Bible. In terms of there being a god.
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  56. +Virtuoso "the old quantum theory was incomplete and proven to lack consistency" You have to be specific here. The ideas began with Plank and then Einstein then a plethora of other players came to the fore including Born Bohr Dirac Pauli Schrodinger and Heisenberg. We still use all of those formulae today.
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  57. +Virtuoso "Quantum theory is still vigorously debated philosophically." I will state now that I know virtually nothing about philosophy. "What is the meaning..." does not interest me.
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  58. +Virtuoso "I do sense that you take every theory completely literal and factual and if so, that is pure ignorance" If the TOE was falsified I would be very pissed off. I would have to replace all my books! I would get over it sit down and ask the question," So, how does it really work then?"
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  59. +Virtuoso There are no such things as transitional fossils why? Because every single fossil and every single living feature is transitional! Besides the fact that we do not need fossils (any at all) to verify the theory, exactly what would you expect to find? What do you need the palaeontologists to unearth to convince you? Let me try and set out what is known. Firstly there has never been an authenticated case where a fossil was found out of its evolutionary place. Not one. Every single fossil that has been found follows its predicted evolutionary pattern. Secondly there ARE transitional fossils ie those that exhibit traits from an earlier ancestor AND modern species Here are the human ones, the size and shape of the skull exhibit both ape and human features earlier forms have a small cranial volume while later have increased volume. The same with the pelvis femur and the bone at the base of the skull. These are variations between ape and men up right walking and knuckle walking large cranial volume and small. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils
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  60. +Virtuoso Whale evolution https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evograms_03
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  61. +Virtuoso Hover over the names and you will the fossils https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_horse
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  62. +Virtuoso I really dont think Einstein was a theist, he thought the Bible was childish and was pressured about this when he went to America. Einstein is one of my heros, he should be everyones hero given what he found out about space and time. Was he spiritual? I am not sure what that means, he was a very modest man. A subtle man, complicated.
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  63. +Virtuoso Thanks you too. Being polite helps exchange ideas. Ive met some very nice people on here, many of them theists. I used to be a theist so I should try and be polite!
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  64. +Virtuoso Look up my claims on science. I will never attempt to take away the messages of Jesus away from theists. "love thy neighbour, turn the other cheek. Let he who cast the 1st stone (not Jesus but it does not matter)" We can take good messages where ever we find them. Peace.
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  65. +Virtuoso "I don't like to lose but I will humbly take a loss if I know I lost! Lol" Best way sir. You have been a gentleman and I recognize that.
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  66. +Child Boo I dont think its being smart, its where you are coming from. I was where Virtuoso was so I am giving him a hard time but trying to respect that position at the same time. Yes the NT supports the OT on many points such as slavery and Jesus never strays from this. He never says that owning a person is wrong. Problem with the portrayal of Jesus is that what Christian believe and what the historians have are two different things. I found enough to reject the notion of god. I will discuss the Bible more with virtuoso too if you want to join and raise some points? The last one you raised was very important. Its not all about the OT!
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