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@BenDover-ij7yp 'flu' It is not just flu.
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@romka123 The UK is OUT of lockdown.
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@garystorey What is it you can't do?
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@garystorey Why do you think you understand the first thing about the science? The numbers? What's your view on cancer? TB? Ebola? You really think social media is more important than a science education?
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@garystorey What's wrong with the Vaccine? Vaccine programs control disease like flu or can completely eliminate diseases like Poliomyelitis and Smallpox.
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@frauhorn They use Facebook and think that's the same as a science education. You can't fix stupid.
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robert casey Stop spreading unscientific stupid shit during a pandemic. The CDC use data from Open vaers, it used by Scientists not conspiracy nut jobs. Why don't you post what the CDC actually say about the Vaccines. COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines under the most intense safety monitoring in U.S. history.CDC recommends you get a COVID-19 vaccine as soon as you can.
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@NA-bm7ep It's not experimental. 80M jabs in the UK it WORKS
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@garystorey The Vaccine is safe and works.
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@justynakrolak9488 In the UK? Minority? Nope, 80M jabs so far.
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@justynakrolak9488 I suppose 100s of 1000s of Drs pathologists Virologists epidemiologists lab technicians professional academics and other health care professionals have just decided to start lying for a living?
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Angela Rayner? Really?
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@911HRW Yep. I've been in work since June 2020. The lockdown after Xmas relaxed in May outside vendors, June inside and Monday all restrictions. Bigger venues may ask for a negative LFT like the footy. LFT from the chemist are FREE for business and free on line and take 30 minutes. We were never in full lock down like China.
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Jane Neal I went to three pubs yesterday in Manchester no sign in central library I signed in but was not asked one Indian restaurant local No sign in. If you don't like track and trace delete the app. It's not difficult.
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robert casey Forward the SCIENCE ref from the peer reviewed published literature.
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@romka123 Common sense? All I have heard for the last 16 months is unscientific conspiracy garbage, lies or at best misconceptions from people who are clueless regarding immunology, viruses and PPE
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@garystorey What do you know about phase trials? Immunology? Virology? I did my first drug trials in the early 90s.
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@garystorey What does infection have to do with anything? You do realise what a vaccine is right?
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@garystorey Does Bill Gates donate to science? What a bastard! Guess what, so do I!
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robert casey I have a degree in applied Biology so I trust the Scientific method. I have also done drug trials. I don't work in life sciences now. If you are asking me to trust a bunch of unqualified conspiracy posters over Scientific peer reviewed journals then I politely decline your kind offer.
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robert casey Vaccine perfectly safe? Nope, neither is ANY other drug or medical procedure.
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@garystorey So you have posted nonsense about Poliomyelitis now you are talking about Gibraltar. They have had less than 100 deaths, total. Where are you getting your information from? Seriously? Practically EVERYTHING you have posted is wrong. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/gibraltar/
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@garystorey Can you forward the source that Gibraltar has 100% vaccination rate? After Canada and the UK at 54% there are a few in the 40s. Edit. Gibraltar was not on the list, probably low population? I'll check BUT I will concede the point.
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@garystorey Ok I've found it and it looks like you are right. Close to or at 100%. They key thing is now then are those cases going to translate to serious illness and death? Looking at the UK, we should say no. Cases going up have not lead to significant hospital admission and Deaths
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@th3d3wd3r I try and get to what they actually think via their individual study. It never amounts to anything more than social media, even though they they ask us to do research! Clueless.
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@renoirrandy7241 Amen
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plandemic Wrong most people have taken the jab, 80M jabs so far. About 90% of cohorts
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plandemic 54%? That's two doses and the entire population of the UK, it's only just been offered to younger cohorts.
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@justynakrolak9488 Why don't you read the published literature instead of conspiracy nonsense on line https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html
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@ianrkav Ha ha! Covid is in the Vaccine??? I thought you conspiracy nut jobs said covid was fake? Make your minds up.
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robert casey Get a tin foil hat
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@In Search of the Miraculous Vaccines don't stop you getting the virus are you Scientifically illiterate?
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robert casey Open vaers is operated by the CDC who state the Vaccine is safe. Stop pretending to understand the Science and quoting every conspiracy theory nonsense line you come across without thinking.
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@ianrkav Well no because nothing you have said relates to Science. Kill rate by cases is about 2% in the UK. Try again
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@ianrkav Manufactured in a Wuhan lab? Yeah that is being looked into by professional academics and scientists who actually know what they are talking about. You already know the answer though right?
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@ianrkav Are you absolutely clueless? Spanish flu killed about 50 million. Upper estimates are 100 million, try again. Which part of Hungary are you from and what was your job title?
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@ianrkav I don't use social media for Science, I got my degree in the 80s
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@ianrkav Yeah and you understand the Wuhan investigation too? Excuse me if I discard your unqualified assessment of that
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@ianrkav Are you happy with a kill rate of one out of 50? How does that work for 7 billion? The UK is doing ok, cases are up but are now starting to decline even though we have been out of lockdown since June. Hospital admission is up but we are seeing dozens of deaths per day not 100s or 1000s. The Vaccine is working
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@UCQ353WNQ21md2g5en5tXDZA Stop posting unscientific backward nonsense during a pandemic
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@goldenangel8911 wow it's on the net? Must be true then
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What's he lying about?
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@supergokufan23498 Listen to.......? What?
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@supergokufan23498 Yeah I did that
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@misslina6798 And you know this because you're a virologist?
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@davidhyatt7772 I see you post your unscientific conspiracy nonsense on more than one thread?
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@craigboden9455 You don't understand Science, we get it. Just don't use Scientific concepts in your arguments is my advice. You will come across as stupid
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@davidhyatt7772 So as per before, stop spamming unscientific backward shit during a pandemic
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@garystorey Safe and works https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html
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robert casey From the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html
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@donwackyaids1771 Ño, viruses mutate in a live host.
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@donwackyaids1771 No I never play loaded, although there is plenty of speed in my technique.
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@donwackyaids1771 You were vague. Of course viruses can do that this has been known by Scientists for decades what's your point?
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@Soodle1966 Catching? Yes of course, no one says otherwise. The Vaccine does reduce the risk of passing it on as well as risk from serious Illness and death
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@garystorey Can you refute anything I said on Scientific grounds?
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@Soodle1966 By what? Which comments?
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@donwackyaids1771 Because you're a qualified virologist
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@Soodle1966 You said about the powers that govern us?
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@lozimba1259 We are OUT of lockdown
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robert casey I get it, you are a virologist AND toxicologist
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@garystorey Citation please
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robert casey 'Science is not safe!' Then posts a you tube video...
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@Soodle1966 No one has been forced to have a vaccine, people have a right to refuse. They should expect the same back though if they want to get into venues, events, fly, etc
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@garystorey Citation.....this is getting boring
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@garystorey https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html
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@donwackyaids1771 About?
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robert casey Then post the Science citation from a peer reviewed published paper
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robert casey You have not posted one single coherent argument or citation. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html
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robert casey Here is what the CDC say Over 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine have been given in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. COVID-19 vaccines were evaluated in tens of thousands of participants in clinical trials. The vaccines met the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) rigorous scientific standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing quality needed to support emergency use authorization (EUA). Learn more about EUAs in this videoexternal icon. Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines since they were authorized for emergency use by FDA. These vaccines have undergone and will continue to undergo the most intensive safety monitoring in U.S. history. This monitoring includes using both established and new safety monitoring systems to make sure that COVID-19 vaccines are safe.
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robert casey Here is what the CDC say Over 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine have been given in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 19, 2021. COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. COVID-19 vaccines were evaluated in tens of thousands of participants in clinical trials. The vaccines met the Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) rigorous scientific standards for safety, effectiveness, and manufacturing quality needed to support emergency use authorization (EUA). Learn more about EUAs in this videoexternal icon. Millions of people in the United States have received COVID-19 vaccines since they were authorized for emergency use by FDA. These vaccines have undergone and will continue to undergo the most intensive safety monitoring in U.S. history. This monitoring includes using both established and new safety monitoring systems to make sure that COVID-19 vaccines are safe.
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Jane Neal People going to work and socially interacting SPREADS the virus if they are infected. The only thing that will slow this thing down is Vaccines and social behaviour. Restrictions are all but lifted now so it is proceed with caution untill numbers are low.
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Jane Neal In what ways are the tests flawed?
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Jane Neal That is NOT what the inventor said. He never actually made comments about COVID. If it is the comments that are regularly cited then is a misconception. This was a qualitative verses quantitative question, not what is there so much as what it does and those comments wrt HIV in the 1990s. Tell me, did you doubt PCR before this? Did you know what PCR was? What it stood for? Now?
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Jane Neal So if not 5 million cases in the UK how many?
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Jane Neal You made the claims. You are the one contradicting main stream Science. Are you claiming COVID is more dangerous than it is?
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Jane Neal ok but you are saying the PCR is flawed and giving false positives. So the numbers of cases are less? How much less?
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Jane Neal This is ZERO to do with behavioural psychology, this is molecular biology. Please stay on point. If you are wondering, yes I have done PCR in the 80s as a student.
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Jane Neal Let's stick to what you said and follow it through. If there are a lot less cases as you claim due to PCR then the raw case to death ratio is much higher. 128000÷66 million is about 0.18% so even if everyone in the UK has had it the death rate is still no where near 0.03% claimed. It is 6 times higher. 5 million cases gives about 2.5% kill rate and you are saying it's even higher than that.
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Jane Neal PCR is molecular biology not psychology, I was asking you to stay to your point.
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@gaz4840 Vaccines are monitored ALL the time, stop spreading stupid shit during a pandemic
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Jane Neal There may be what you call cross sensitivity. Malaria and Dengue are bigger problems where this is endemic. You still have not told me what impact on cases this will have. Surely it means there are less cases yes? All those false positives?
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@gaz4840 'Do some research' Yeah I hear that from unqualified Facebook and Twitter YouTubers who have never set foot in a lab. Scientific research, the kind that actually matters in Science, is zero to do with the backward conspiracy theory websites you guys get your 'information' from.
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Jane Neal Have you read the published literature regarding this?
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Jane Neal So for the 4th time Jane, how many cases?
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Jane Neal It's nothing to do with honesty. Scientists try and prove each other Wrong. That's what they do.
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Jane Neal There is no maybe about it. If there were legs at all to these nonsense claims then Science would have found it. They tease these details out because they test them in a way that can be verified and repeated by other teams. They write results up in papers and submit them for publication. Those scripts are reviewed by panels and published. Then the relevant part of the science community read digest and critique at conferences. That is how Science moves forward. You are using it now to post to me.
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Jane Neal How do you think Science works seriously? Where are you getting your information from? Do you think Drs, pathologists Virologists epidemiologists and other health care professionals suddenly lost the ability to do their job? Analysis of year on year month on month deaths takes place all the time. This is why about 5000 deaths was taken OFF the total last year. Stop reading the unscientific conspiracy nonsense and try some real Science from the professionals. You trust Science or did before COVID
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@KaliBrat0r I can't force you to have a vaccine, I can't force you to take a driving test either. Just don't expect to be able to drive a car and put your self and others at risk.
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@KaliBrat0r which country? Which hospital? Which position?
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@KaliBrat0r Cases have come down because of the Vaccine. Vast majority of cases now are UNVACCINATED. Check out the July UK technical briefing
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@KaliBrat0r So which country and hospital you work in? It have colleagues in Radiology, admissions and CCU
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@KaliBrat0r Like an orderly?
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Jane Neal By all means post a you tube video to my arguments regarding Science. That's how Science progresses right? When you get diabetes hypertension or cancer miss out that pesky Science Drs and lab blood works. Just go on Facebook Twitter and YouTube. Job done right?
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@MrHarveyrex23 The Vaccines are working
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@renoirrandy7241 Yes, let's get a result. He gets his money back, Ukrainians get their lives back, those that are not dead already and we can rest easier regarding a lunatic with 7800 ICBMS at his disposal.
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@chrisf9377 99.9? I thought it was 99.97? Or 99.96% or some other madeup unscientific nonsense on Facebook Twitter UK Column...etc
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@chrisf9377 and of course you in know about Vaccine technology
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@76bish Wow! You're an applied biologist?
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plandemic You joined YT 5 days ago? What happened did your arguments get slapped down on your previous account?
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@76bish 99%? Well that has changed a bit, you do not agree with other conspiracy posters who claim 99.7% or 99.9? 99.97? 99.997? all made up of course.It's not a good idea to blindly regurgitate any unscientific conspiracy garbage you come across.
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@76bish Do you long for the days of Smallpox and poliomyelitis?
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@76bish Not horrendous? You don't think 4 million dead in 15 months is bad enough for you? Smallpox looks worse but death from covid is still just as dead
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@justynakrolak9488 That's not how it works, why do keep commenting on immunology?
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@ketiw8765 Refuse the Vaccine your choice but I can refuse you access to my pub, club, music venue, theatre , air line and country. Choice is a two way street in civilized society.
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@eckyx9019 AZ is nothing to do with mRNA, not all technologies are the same. Also medical technology CHANGES, it's supposed to, it's called LEARNING. It is why you can have a good chance with many cancers now that we're a death sentence when I was a kid. Stop pretending to understand the Science and technology. I would rather you got the Vaccine because I don't you in ICU when you don't need to be. Perhaps you want to get Ill, spread the virus? Be a reservoir for possible mutations?
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@76bish Really? I assure you those decimal points matter when you are talking billions of people.
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@timewilltell3098 Yeah CDC what do they know eh? Or BMJ, LANCET, Cell Biology, Immunology and Virology journals? Who needs published Science when you have unqualified conspiracy YouTube and Facebook to educate you. What's your view on the interpretation Quantum mechanics?
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@eckyx9019 'Its not a vaccine' Yeah because you're an immunologist I get it. The majority of hospital cases are UNVACCINATED, why are you lying? The numbers in risk groups are now around 95% vaccinated yet the deaths in June were roughly the same, slightly more unvaccinated. I.e. it is 20 times more dangerous to be unvaccinated than vaccinated.
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@eckyx9019 The Vaccines don't adjust your DNA. Do you believe any old stupid shit you read on Facebook?
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@eckyx9019 Top tip for you, social media is not a substitute for a science education.
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@eckyx9019 It's not DNA, it is a virus that is injected. Pan troglodytes adenovirus to be exact. Some Vaccines are the attenuated versions of the real thing. Pfizer uses different technology.
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@chirpywiggins5796 Yeah Jesus has done a splendid job with Covid so far. Almost as good a job as TB Malaria and cancer
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@timewilltell3098 Hivemind? Better than thinking social media is a substitute for education. Where did you study microbiology?
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@timewilltell3098 Bill Gates ha ha! Yeah I'm going to make an addendum to Godwin's law I think
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@davidhyatt7772 Wow you certainly have a lot to say about me.
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@davidhyatt7772 The kill rate is obviously more than that. 128000 people have died in the UK already. That's 0.18 of the population. PCR confirmed cases is about 5 or 6 million. That works out about 2%. A bit higher than your made up number
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@davidhyatt7772 Who is paying me? Can you give them a nudge please?
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@davidhyatt7772 Goose-stepping ha ha! Do you have any ACTUAL Scientific arguments? Or are you just repeating the same backward teenage conspiracy nonsense you have read on Facebook Twitter and tiktok?
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@timewilltell3098 Is that your argument? Go back to bed?
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@ssjmonstar I doubt you had even heard of PCR, WHO, CDC before all this conspiracy stuff.
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@ssjmonstar Read the literature or perhaps look up what happened in Brazil. Infection can lead to natural immunity, it can also lead to death. The Vaccine produces a SAFE and stronger immune response
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@ssjmonstar See also Poliomyelitis smallpox Hepatitis TB. Not a good idea to acquire immunity by getting the disease itself
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@pengawolf We had lock down because we are in a pandemic. We are now out of it because of the Vaccine. If you don't want the Vaccine don't get it no one can force you. Just don't expect to force your way into private businesses and public places. We have choices too and your decision impacts on others.
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@pengawolf Comparing Vaccines to the Holocaust. Vaccines save lives and have done for decades. Idiotic post from you
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@irlandaise5631 Vaccine uptake is about 1 million per week in Oz
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@chrisf9377 It's not 99.9% stop posting stupid shit during a pandemic
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@chrisf9377 There are reasons to be skeptical and look into Vaccine safety but being Scientifically illiterate should not be one of them.
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@pengawolf It's not the government! Did you object to your TB jab?
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@JS-te4gz The Vaccine does not 'allow you' to catch it. Do you have the first clue about immunology?
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@JS-te4gz Yes it is a terrible disease, unless you think 128000 people dead since the pandemic started in the UK is nothing?
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@techntekken4610 Yes you understand PCR and molecular biology I bet
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@gkelectrical1 We have been out of lock down since we could go to the pub, many people were ignoring the rules anyway by then. Idiots not wearing masks, gathering, meeting in houses. The same clowns who are now not getting vaccinated BUT don't want Vaccine passports.
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@JS-te4gz No one has told me anything, I read the published literature.
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@StrangerDanger999 Because you're a Scientist and actually understand the science right? Yeah I trust you. Are dentists lying to us as well?
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@StrangerDanger999 can you explain what part of the published literature is Bull sh1t?
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