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@aesop8694 Western civilization did not come from one culture or religion, Christianity and the Roman empire that brought it was certainly dominant. From the there we get much of our language, music, art, architecture. Science philosophy and mathematics we get from many cultures including the Greeks, Babylonians, Egyptians, Indians. The UK is great example if you walk round Chester, York, Colchester, Bath. My city gets its name from the Latin for breast! Manchester.
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@rudymental9993 No clinical trials?
The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was evaluated in clinical trials involving more than 44,000 participants. The most frequent adverse reactions in trials were pain at the injection site, fatigue, headache, myalgia (muscle pains), chills, arthralgia (joint pains), and fever; these were each reported in more than 1 in 10 people. These reactions were usually mild or moderate in intensity and resolved within a few days after vaccination. Adverse reactions were reported less frequently in older adults (over 55 years) than in younger people.
The COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca was evaluated in clinical trials involving more than 23,000 participants. The most frequently reported adverse reactions in these trials were injection-site tenderness, injection-site pain, headache, fatigue, myalgia, malaise, pyrexia (fever), chills, arthralgia, and nausea; these were each reported in more than 1 in 10 people. The majority of adverse reactions were mild to moderate in severity and usually resolved within a few days of vaccination. Adverse reactions reported after the second dose were milder and reported less frequently than after the first dose. Adverse reactions were generally milder and reported less frequently in older adults (65 years and older) than in younger people.
The COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna was evaluated in clinical trials involving more than 30,000 participants. The most frequent adverse reactions in these trials were pain at the injection site, fatigue, headache, myalgia (muscle pains), arthralgia (joint pains), chills, nausea/vomiting, axillary swelling/tenderness (swelling/tenderness of glands in the armpit), fever, injection site swelling and redness; these were each reported in more than 1 in 10 people. These reactions were usually mild or moderate in intensity and resolved within a few days after vaccination. Adverse reactions were reported less frequently in older adults (over 65 years) than in younger people.
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Paulie Walnuts "Vaccines bypassed studies'
The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was evaluated in clinical trials involving more than 44,000 participants. The most frequent adverse reactions in trials were pain at the injection site, fatigue, headache, myalgia (muscle pains), chills, arthralgia (joint pains), and fever; these were each reported in more than 1 in 10 people. These reactions were usually mild or moderate in intensity and resolved within a few days after vaccination. Adverse reactions were reported less frequently in older adults (over 55 years) than in younger people.
The COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca was evaluated in clinical trials involving more than 23,000 participants. The most frequently reported adverse reactions in these trials were injection-site tenderness, injection-site pain, headache, fatigue, myalgia, malaise, pyrexia (fever), chills, arthralgia, and nausea; these were each reported in more than 1 in 10 people. The majority of adverse reactions were mild to moderate in severity and usually resolved within a few days of vaccination. Adverse reactions reported after the second dose were milder and reported less frequently than after the first dose. Adverse reactions were generally milder and reported less frequently in older adults (65 years and older) than in younger people.
The COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna was evaluated in clinical trials involving more than 30,000 participants. The most frequent adverse reactions in these trials were pain at the injection site, fatigue, headache, myalgia (muscle pains), arthralgia (joint pains), chills, nausea/vomiting, axillary swelling/tenderness (swelling/tenderness of glands in the armpit), fever, injection site swelling and redness; these were each reported in more than 1 in 10 people. These reactions were usually mild or moderate in intensity and resolved within a few days after vaccination. Adverse reactions were reported less frequently in older adults (over 65 years) than in younger people.
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@BuckshotB Here are the trial numbers. This is how Science works. Not via twenty minutes on Facebook.
The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was evaluated in clinical trials involving more than 44,000 participants. The most frequent adverse reactions in trials were pain at the injection site, fatigue, headache, myalgia (muscle pains), chills, arthralgia (joint pains), and fever; these were each reported in more than 1 in 10 people. These reactions were usually mild or moderate in intensity and resolved within a few days after vaccination. Adverse reactions were reported less frequently in older adults (over 55 years) than in younger people.
The COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca was evaluated in clinical trials involving more than 23,000 participants. The most frequently reported adverse reactions in these trials were injection-site tenderness, injection-site pain, headache, fatigue, myalgia, malaise, pyrexia (fever), chills, arthralgia, and nausea; these were each reported in more than 1 in 10 people. The majority of adverse reactions were mild to moderate in severity and usually resolved within a few days of vaccination. Adverse reactions reported after the second dose were milder and reported less frequently than after the first dose. Adverse reactions were generally milder and reported less frequently in older adults (65 years and older) than in younger people.
The COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna was evaluated in clinical trials involving more than 30,000 participants. The most frequent adverse reactions in these trials were pain at the injection site, fatigue, headache, myalgia (muscle pains), arthralgia (joint pains), chills, nausea/vomiting, axillary swelling/tenderness (swelling/tenderness of glands in the armpit), fever, injection site swelling and redness; these were each reported in more than 1 in 10 people. These reactions were usually mild or moderate in intensity and resolved within a few days after vaccination. Adverse reactions were reported less frequently in older adults (over 65 years) than in younger people.
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@deoranjed8118 Which people are ready to take the world? From USA, China, UK, Iran, Russia, Iraq, Japan, Brazil, Cuba, India, Mexico? Are you saying that leaders from Israel, Palestine Communist dictatorships capitalist, social Democracies SUDDENLY just decided to co-operate? For the first time in the history of human kind? Do you think they could sort Brexit and the hard boarder issue?
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@vashmatrix5769 “@pinball1970 If you want to keep following an appel to authority fallacy,”
One of YOUR first references was a Harvard PhD what are you talking about so that was the first thing you did.
You obviously do not understand how science works.
There are no authorities in science, there are experts.
If you think you can disprove of the published literature on Evolution be my guest, you will overturn Biology in one foul swoop and win the Nobel.
Since publication 1000shave tried with no success so good luck
“why aren't you jabbed & boosted multiple times?”
Of course I am vaccinated, I was first vaccinated in the 1960s, had boosters then again as a teenager. Then vaccinated for travel, boosters and tetanus. Flu jab around 2011 and annual boosters the Covid in 2021.
No problem whatsoever.
Do you have a brilliant theory here as well?
“Have you read Darwins 2 books main books? Because if you believe those, then you're bigoted too.”
I realy doubt you have ever read anything remotely scientific let alone complete books. Please cite the “bigoted” passages that offends you so much
“Why should your multiple beliefs of evolutionism get called theory instead of hypotheses?”
Because words actually mean something in science. Your ignorance is not my problem.
“I believe the only reason it's not disregarded as only a weak hypothesis is because your side follows it religiously & tries to give it more credence than it deserves.”
What you believe does not alter science one iota, instead of guessing and making up sully nonsense why don’t you try actually reading the published literature?
“Many didn't share Darwins bigoted views.”
Again please outline the “bigoted” passages from Origin. Also you are wrong yet again, the scientific community came to accept the findings within 15 years of publication
“but if you're a bigot like Darwin, then it's just another reason you'd follow his faith. “
And I will warn you not to call people names that you know nothing about.
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@I_hate_Google This from nature last month
Article
Published: 07 June 2021
Spread of a SARS-CoV-2 variant through Europe in the summer of 2020
Emma B. Hodcroft, Moira Zuber, Sarah Nadeau, Timothy G. Vaughan, Katharine H. D. Crawford, Christian L. Althaus, Martina L. Reichmuth, John E. Bowen, Alexandra C. Walls, Davide Corti, Jesse D. Bloom, David Veesler, David Mateo, Alberto Hernando, Iñaki Comas, Fernando González-Candelas, SeqCOVID-SPAIN consortium, Tanja Stadler & Richard A. Neher
Nature (2021)Cite this article
19k Accesses
801 Altmetric
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Abstract
Following its emergence in late 2019, the spread of SARS-CoV-21,2 has been tracked by phylogenetic analysis of viral genome sequences in unprecedented detail3,4,5. Although the virus spread globally in early 2020 before borders closed, intercontinental travel has since been greatly reduced. However, travel within Europe resumed in the summer of 2020. Here we report on a SARS-CoV-2 variant, 20E (E
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@skankhunt_-42 All these guys just making shit up.
If it's so easy apply for a job as a virologist or molecular biologist and say you are happy to take part n the conspiracy, they will snap your hand off right?
ArticlePublished: 07 June 2021
Spread of a SARS-CoV-2 variant through Europe in the summer of 2020
Emma B. Hodcroft, Moira Zuber, Sarah Nadeau, Timothy G. Vaughan, Katharine H. D. Crawford, Christian L. Althaus, Martina L. Reichmuth, John E. Bowen, Alexandra C. Walls, Davide Corti, Jesse D. Bloom, David Veesler, David Mateo, Alberto Hernando, Iñaki Comas, Fernando González-Candelas, SeqCOVID-SPAIN consortium, Tanja Stadler & Richard A. Neher
Nature (2021)Cite this article
19k Accesses
801 Altmetric
Metricsdetails
Abstract
Following its emergence in late 2019, the spread of SARS-CoV-21,2 has been tracked by phylogenetic analysis of viral genome sequences in unprecedented detail3,4,5. Although the virus spread globally in early 2020 before borders closed, intercontinental travel has since been greatly reduced. However, travel within Europe resumed in the summer of 2020. Here we report on a SARS-CoV-2 variant, 20E (E
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@lesigh1749 “pinball1970 justify that statement. An unvaccinated person poses a health risk because...? “
More likely to transmit the virus according to the literature
“is it because they may contract and then pass on the virus?”
Yes
“Bad news, people who are vaccinated can do that too. maybe they will incubate the virus and lead to a new strain.”
Yes but Less likely
“oh dear, since we know vaccinated people can also incubate and transmit the virus, they too could do that, regardless if they suffer symptoms.”
Yes just less likely
“Try again I also cant help but notice that yet again you are silent on the topic of how many people we have killed with the lockdown, “
Lockdown does not in itself kill people, it probably did not kill 129,000
“and how many more we have sentenced to death from things that could have been treated were it not for the lockdown. I'm waiting.”
I don’t know how many people died because of lockdown, like I said lockdown itself does not kill anyone, emergency treatments still got treated, those on waiting lists ie not an emergency threat to life have a longer wait.
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@rodt9779 This is the last one from the Genetics Society of America but ALL respected Scientific societies have a similar statement. Statement on Evolution and Creationism
The GSA supports educating students in genetics and consequently feels it important to express its views on the teaching of evolution in elementary and secondary schools. The GSA strongly endorses such teaching, as genetics and evolution are two very closely interwoven disciplines. In fact, evolution might be summarized as population genetics over time. Some people have been opposed to the teaching of evolution because "it is only a theory." Such opposition rests on a mistaken understanding of what defines a scientific theory. In common usage "theory" means "conjecture" or "speculation," whereas in scientific usage it means a systematically organized body of knowledge that explains a large set of observations and makes testable predictions.
Science operates first by observation and then by developing a hypothesis as a preliminary explanation of the data. A theory is a hypothesis that has been subsequently confirmed by abundant, consistent data obtained from tests of the hypothesis. For example, the atomic theory explains the behavior of physical substances in terms of the properties of elementary particles (atoms) and their combinations (molecules). This theory accounts for so many observations that it is accepted as the basis for all of chemistry.
The theory of evolution by natural selection is also such a confirmed hypothesis, as developed through the ongoing investigation and understanding of many different areas of biological, chemical, physical and earth science. As such, it is modifiable and constantly refined as new research and information come to light. Without evolutionary theory, we would be forced to completely discard much of what we understand about fields such as genetics, botany, zoology, paleontology, and anthropology.
"Scientific creationism," "intelligent design," and other terms have been offered as alternative explanations for past and present biological processes. However, these represent a collection of beliefs usually based on a literal interpretation of religious texts and are thus disguises for religious doctrine, and not scientific theories. They ignore the empirical data around us and fail to provide a testable hypothesis. Consequently, since no testable explanation for biological history has been provided by these alternative views, they cannot be considered scientific theories and should not be part of school science curricula. They are more appropriate for courses in literature, sociology, or religion.
As evolution is the only scientific theory to explain the biological history of life and as the GSA supports the education of students in genetics, the GSA hereby endorses the teaching of the facts and theory of evolution at all levels, including in elementary and secondary schools.
For a more complete discussion of science, evolution, and creationism, see the booklet "Science and Creationism: A View from the National Academy of Science."
Document developed by GSA Board of Directors, June, 2003.
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@rodt9779 Here is what the actual scientists say about ERVs, this is from a scientists blog and his paper is in the link I sent.
'Creationists and intelligent design advocates like to think that because some ERVs have useful functions in the human genome, they must have been deliberately put there by a creator / designer with that particular purpose in mind. Of course, no-one can explicitly prove that that is incorrect – it’s not a falsifiable hypothesis, and therefore it’s not science. What we can show is that ERVs provide evidence in support of the theory of evolution.
Let’s imagine how ERVs would behave within a model of evolution by common descent. An ancient creature, let’s call it the common ancestor of all modern mammals, is infected by a retrovirus that becomes endogenous. All of the animal’s descendants (i.e. all mammals) would be expected to carry the same ERV insertion (ERV1) in the same chromosomal location.
Fast forward in evolutionary time. Different lineages have evolved and diverged from the original common ancestor and there are now many different types of mammal in existence, all carrying ERV1. A small rodent, let’s call it the common ancestor of mice and rats, is again infected by a species-specific retrovirus that becomes endogenous. This is ERV2. In a parallel event in a different lineage, the common ancestor of all great apes acquires a third insertion, ERV3.
Moving forward again, a fourth ERV appears in some of these new-fangled human thingies that are running around in Africa, but not in their hairier relatives who will eventually evolve into modern chimpanzees. The early humans spread out, and a fifth and (don’t worry) final ERV arises in a population that is isolated in a discrete geographical location. The infection does not spread to other human populations.
So what would we expect? Humans, chimps, mice and rats should all possess ERV1. The mouse and rat genomes will also contain ERV2, the virus that infected their common ancestor, but not the primate-specific ERV3, 4 or 5 insertions. All great apes will share an identical ERV3 insertion; all humans will also possess an ERV4 insertion that is not found in chimps or other apes. In addition, some, but not all, humans will carry an insertion of ERV5. The rodent-specific ERV2 insertion will not be found in any primate species.
Now that several genomes have been sequenced, we have begun to test these predictions. The patterns of ERV insertions observed in modern species exactly match the predictions made by the model described above.'
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@rodt9779 You Dont think Evolution actually creates anything at all so god must have given Adam an immune system. That means that god also created TB malaria, diphtheria, cancer, syphilis, leprosy, Salmonella, cholera, typhoid, pubic lice, scabies, ring worm, Ebola virus, yellow fever, Clostridium sp causing Botulism and gas gangrene and my personal favourite, Saccharomyces sp where we get beer from. The most ridiculous thing about this is that Noah and his family MUST have had ALL of these pathogens before the flood otherwise where did they come from? The answer of course is that there was no flood or creation these things evolved with us just like every other living thing on the planet.
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@NinjaMonkeyPrime He lies about other things regarding science. Evolution? Does he think this happened? Is he explicit about this with his sheep?
Is he explicit about abiogenesis? Aron Ra asked the pertinent question. How did it happen then?
We know there was only bacteria for at least 2 billion years so what ever he thinks happened, there has to be a progression NOT any sort of creation. So, from bacteria or rather prokaryotes, to Eukaryotes, multi cellular, vertebrates, mammals, primates us over 3.5 billion years.
Of course his answer is Jesus did it, not ' I don't know.'
He lies, he is a liar and yes that is an insult BUT it's true. Those are the worst insults, the true ones!
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@adammforrester-smith2518 This is not new, the science community have been prepared since 2002 with SARS, we had another glimpse in 2012 with MERS, SARS Cov-2 or covid is all part of that evolutionary tree.
Are you suggesting that 100s of 1000s of Scientists made up SARS then MERS then COVID19? Drs, nurses, patients, patients families, pathologists, virologists, epidemiologists biostatisticians and laboratory diagnostic staff are all lying? All the science published on the virus, virus genomes, clinical and diagnostic medicine and immunology studies are all made up?
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@KehOfAllTrades KehOfAllTrades From this 15 year old article the points you probably want to refer me too are the fact that Ferguson referred to a novel virus potentially being a global killer? They are, we are in the middle of one right now.
That viruses can mutate? They do. That Spanish flu killed up to 100 million? It did.
They don't know, biological mathematics is not the same as having a crystal ball. They build models and run scenarios.
What scenario do we have? 382,000 deaths in 3 months. Over half seasonal flu deaths globally in a quarter of the time AND (the part you keep failing to acknowledge) WITH lockdown.
Deaths in the UK from seasonal? Average given as 17,000 with lows at 2000 and highs at 28,000.
COVID deaths is now at 39000, in 3 months, WITH lockdown.
USA? Seasonal 26,000-83,000 (ball park, some variation here)
COVID? 108,000 in 3 months. WITH lockdown.
Is this sinking in yet?
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@Andyburns-vt6rs That's a good point, I have read that the spread is beyond that of many other viruses like SARS 1, MERS, bird flu and a few others. Research suggests that where the viral particles are issued from host and the number are the key factors. Upper respiratory tract, lower, throat nose etc. COVID from memory is upper and the number is very high. Don't quote me on this because the article was from March and these publications were coming out very fast to try and keep the science community informed. The mode of transmission is still unclear, for me this virus has droplet infection written all over it, why? (This is the first personal speculation I am giving, everything else is widely available in the literature) the speed of transmission, I don't think a contagious infection would take hold so quickly.
Also the range of spread, all those countries (263) in a matter of 2-3 months? This suggests air ports, lots of people and close space. There are plenty of fomites but airports are clean and population transient.
I could be wrong and fomites may be the biggie
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@Andyburns-vt6rs Like I said Andy you are asking some pretty decent questions. Someone who does this for a living, day to day would give you better answers. I'll chase him, we went to University together (he was brilliant at maths) he did Pharmacology and I would have wiped the floor with him at this subject 30 years ago. Now he is near the top of his field!
You are spot on with a few points, some viruses have no Vaccines and may never have them, HIV recognised as a virus around 1981, 40 years later???
Common cold? Rhinovirus? Nope.
There must be others, EBOLA is a nasty one too, 80-90% morality, they were working on one, a three in one Vaccine. Not sure how that panned out.
COVID? I have hope, we have other flu vaccinations (since 2011 mine seems to have been ok)
I know you have doubts on those but let's see what I get back.
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@barcelonachair6487 Science is pretty much the opposite of religion. Religion has dogma, Science does not, religion have unalterable books, Science published papers year on year which are challenged, verified, discussed in conferences, Experiments can rule them out.
Religion has authorities, Science has experts. Science is tentative, nothing is proven only tested and given consensus if appropriate. Having 4,5 or 6 different theories for one phenomenon is not unusual.
Religions are similar to other religions, zero to do with Science
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@sherrie553 The below is from the BMJ Covid up date page from last week. You have to ask yourself, is this a thing or have 100s of 1000s of scientists Drs nurses other health care professionals patients friends and family of patients all lying? Did they suddenly just decide to take part in a 15 month global conspiracy? Every government too? Who asked them? Why?
BMJ 29.4.21
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is an infectious acute respiratory disease caused by a novel coronavirus. The World Health Organization (WHO) was informed of cases of pneumonia of unknown microbial aetiology associated with Wuhan City, Hubei Province, China on 31 December 2019. The WHO later announced that a novel coronavirus had been detected in samples taken from these patients. Since then, the epidemic has escalated and rapidly spread around the world, with the WHO first declaring a public health emergency of international concern on 30 January 2020, and then formally declaring it a pandemic on 11 March 2020. Clinical trials and investigations to learn more about the virus, its origin, how it affects humans, and its management are ongoing. This topic is based on the best evidence currently available, but as this is a rapidly evolving situation, evidence is limited in some areas and some recommendations may be based on observational studies and retrospective analyses, as well as randomised controlled trials and guidelines.
Definition
A potentially severe acute respiratory infection caused by the novel coronavirus severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2).[1] The clinical presentation is generally that of a respiratory infection with a symptom severity ranging from a mild common cold-like illness, to a severe viral pneumonia leading to acute respiratory distress syndrome that is potentially fatal. Characteristic symptoms include fever, cough, dyspnoea, and loss of taste/smell, although some patients may be asymptomatic. Complications of severe disease include, but are not limited to, multi-organ failure, septic shock, and venous thromboembolism. Symptoms may be persistent and continue for more than 12 weeks in some patients.
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@kirstyandlaura8472 The language is different to the December analysis.
"Obviously, the realities are complex. Nonetheless, the probable importance of asymptomatic transmission may help focus our minds on strategies for future interventions aiming to reduce transmission in the wider population and especially among young people. In particular, large scale identification of asymptomatic cases is important in addition to isolating asymptomatic as well as symptomatic cases. [11,12] Recognising the importance of asymptomatic transmission, and its possible role in driving the current wave of the pandemic, is clearly relevant to certain situations—for example, schools—in which young people may gather in large numbers and asymptomatic transmission may occur. Finally, if asymptomatic transmission is driving spread, then this provides more evidence that “we are all in this together” and that preventing infection is just as essential for young people as for older ones—even though most younger ones may not develop symptomatic illness."
Irene Petersen, professor, Research Department
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