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Comments by "Black Spruce" (@darththork99) on "Europe Is Too Old" video.

Good. End the welfare state.
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@theodorbutters141 Those programs are only needed because the governments of these European countries strangle the economy with restrictions to the point where you can only live comfortably without welfare if you make six figures a year.
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@theodorbutters141 Save for retirement, then. You'll have a lot more to your name without the government. Not just taxes, either. I mean the amount of wealth potential that is destroyed because of government regulations.
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@theodorbutters141 What I clearly meant was economic restrictions. Not programs. Also government pensions shouldn't exist, just like every other welfare program.
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@maxibon2129 The only reason children were working in factories for 14 hours a day was because their families were so impoverished that it was either that or starvation. Child labor was only banned after it was already being innovated out of existence.
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@theodorbutters141 You're not quite understanding the extent to which the government destroys financial opportunity for the common person. How about zero tax and zero regulation and zero safety net?
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@theodorbutters141 You don't need any of those things. At least not run by an unaccountable monopoly. Stop talking to me about your ideal government. You're not going to get it, and if you do, it will quickly grow out of control.
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@maxibon2129 Because child labor is necessary in those countries. The children either work or they starve. You want to know why it's still necessary in those countries? Regulations. They restrict trade and commerce to the point where the only way the average person can survive is either by subsistence farming or working in a sweat shop.
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@maxibon2129 You wanna see unjust hierarchy? Look at a country which has very little in terms of capitalistic features. Almost every problem with capitalism in countries with mostly capitalistic features are caused directly by government interference into the economy.
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@maxibon2129 I'm not talking about why Western corporations set up in those countries. I'm talking about why those countries have child labor. There is no social mobility in those countries because of regulations. Unless people have an insane amount of money to burn in upstart costs and compliance, then they will remain in a permanent underclass, forcing them to work on a farm or in a factory from the time they're a child to the time they're an elder.
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@theodorbutters141 Well you're not gonna get it. It is in the government's nature to take more and more and more in order to sustain itself because government as a concept is economically unsustainable.
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@G_Kchrst I'm not an american. I'm an anarchist.
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@maxibon2129 This is the first time I've ever heard anything like that. The state and the government are synonyms.
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@cowboydoggo6168 Saying what? I've said a lot of things here.
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@maxibon2129 Because it's cheaper than setting up in Western countries. Regulations place the vast majority of the burden on regular people, not corporations. They require massive startup costs. Something which regular people won't have, but a Western corporation will.
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@ligametis Then you get workers going on strike and/or finding new jobs. Or starting their own business. Your assumptions are based on the modern world where businesses could afford to do such things because of the government keeping competition low with regulations.
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@theodorbutters141 Democracy doesn't work. This government that you have right here is the result of democracy. The government has nigh unlimited power. So no amount of skepticism can stop it. Doesn't matter what a piece of paper says the government is not allowed to do. They do it anyway. What are you going to do about it?
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@atzouff Nonsense. Every form of collectivist anarchist advocates the creation of a central government that they call a "worker council."
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@maxibon2129 Freedom.
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@cowboydoggo6168 I don't. I'm one of the only people here who doesn't like their own comments. I don't need my opinions to appear to be popular.
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@0witw047 If you don't want to starve in old age, then save for retirement instead of relying on the state to forcibly extract resources from young people to give to you.
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@maxibon2129 It literally would not be economically feasible to price things the same or higher without regulation. Without regulation, there are no barriers to entry, and anyone can compete with your business, which will force the price to go down and the quality to go up. Also it's not very good for business to poison your customers.
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@maxibon2129 That is a very old and long debunked idea. The larger the business, the more money they lose by running a deficit. If a big company lowers prices to outcompete a smaller business, the smaller business will win the war of attrition because the big company will lose exponentially more money. The only time when this tactic can work is when the big company is subsidized by the government and given tax breaks which aren't afforded to smaller competitors. Amazon and Wal-Mart are two of the biggest examples of this. The government also uses eminent domain to shut down smaller businesses in order to clear space for new Amazon warehouses or Wal-Mart stores.
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@maxibon2129 I don't care what your opinion is. The government makes predatory business tactics viable.
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@unematrix I mean that has nothing to do with anything, but okay.
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@unematrix Because the USA, South Korea, and Japan also strangle their economies with restrictions.
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@ligametis Healthcare won't be as expensive without the government. You used to be able to buy medical treatment out of pocket before the American Medical Association lobbied for limiting the amount of doctor licenses the government handed out, followed by the passing of medicare and medicaid which further artificially inflated the price.
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@radoomiron93 Private security.
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@radoomiron93 I mean we currently have global cradle to grave tyranny, and your fear is if we attempted anarchism, the result would be the same as it is now. Doesn't seem like much of a reason to avoid trying it.
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@ligametis At no point in history did the advancement in technology ultimately result in higher prices.
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@danepher The reason why things are better in the EU is because there are less regulation in the EU than in the US, contrary to what American political rhetoric would have you believe.
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@gregthorpe6377 Dude. Those things already are defacto legal, so long as you work for the government, or are a friend or relative of someone who works for the government. Difference is there is nothing preventing you from hunting those people down without a government. The general public is gonna be on your side, too. You support the existence of government. This means you necessarily believe that people are obligated to comply with the government's edicts. Therefor you must be fine with all the degeneracy the government has passed into law. If not, then you're a hypocrite. Let people waste their money. Let people face the natural consequences of their mistakes. Stop trying to protect people from themselves.
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@gregthorpe6377 I see your knowledge of anarchism comes from far-left brats who vote for gibs while calling themselves anarchists.
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Tsar Bomba So?
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Tsar Bomba So?
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@atzouff Yes. They are the same thing. Can you list the differences?
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@cowboydoggo6168 You're suffering from the Dunning Kruger effect.
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@maxibon2129 Corporations love regulations. They can afford the compliance, but their competition can't. Why do you think all the big corporations lobby for a minimum wage increase?
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@Bashbekersjiw No. You save for retirement.
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@prometheusjackson8787 Oh there are plenty of successful anarchist societies. Ireland between 650 and 1650, medieval Iceland, neutral Moresnet, Cheran, early Pennsylvania, and Cospaia. You can't point to a state society which hasn't objectively caused poverty and ruin.
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@zhanibek8384 How do you think they enforce their edicts? The gun is always on the table.
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@carlosdgutierrez6570 You'd be surprised. How do you plan on dealing with the economic ruin such a tax would cause? How do you plan on dealing with the massive decrease in workforce participation? Emigration? Tax evasion? Counter-economic activity? How are you going to deal with these things? Force achieves the opposite of it's intended results.
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@maxibon2129 Inconsistent garbage.
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@maxibon2129 You can't win the war of attrition right now because if a big corporation starts losing money, the government will just tax people to bail them out. It only works because the government allows it to work. Without government help, that tactic would see the end of anyone who tried it.
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@maxibon2129 Companies will be forced to treat their customers well or they will no longer be in business. Don't sit here and tell me the government doesn't have a hand in this. When it directly subsidizes these massive corporations and bails them out.
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@ligametis Then use force to defend yourself. If the local Wal-Mart in your area was sending out goons to smash smaller businesses, would you still shop there?
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@sterd1149 If they want to.
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@gregthorpe6377 You're more vulnerable to foreign entities with a government. Centralized monopolies are always less efficient than private options. Also you don't need border control. Humans have also chosen time and time again to do other horrifically evil things. Usually with government backing. Those institutions are already run by the lowest of the low. They always will be. I don't care for my nation, it's culture, or it's values. No. Not at all. Why would I care about this degenerate disgusting culture? It is almost completely backwards.
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@gregthorpe6377 Actually it's happening as we speak. Government is an inherently unsustainable model, and the diseconomy of scale is making it so the government expends more resources trying to collect taxes than the actual revenue they receive. So they have to make up the difference by printing money, and I'm sure you now what inevitably happens when you print too much money. In reality, it's your ideals that are the utopian ones. That you can have a functional, sustainable society with a government. It's absolutely laughable, and it takes over a decade of beating that nonsense into children's brains to get them to believe it. What are you talking about hierarchies for? We're talking about government here. Not football teams or businesses.
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@gregthorpe6377 When the government is unable to keep the lights on, it stops existing. Also you can't have power unless people are deluded enough to believe you are their rightful ruler. Hence why wal-mart won't be able to become a government in absence of a government. If they try to use force, they'll be spending more collecting resources than they're actually gaining. The tools exist right now to completely render any attempt by any state at resource collection completely impossible. If you look at Venezuela, it's been happening for a few years. People are simply unable to make ends meet by trading in the white market. Why are you talking about hierarchies as if I was against their existence for some reason?
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@gregthorpe6377 Because the initiation of force is wrong. Government relies on the initiation of force to function. Much like any other group of bandits.
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@prometheusjackson8787 Kind of projection. You run around pretending the state is legitimate and engage in their religious rituals such as voting and get all sorts of emotional investment in political theatre. You're basically LARPing.
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@prometheusjackson8787 Your beliefs are complete and total submission under any circumstance. Pathetic.
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@zhanibek8384 Oh wow. Natural disasters. Reminds me of when the government used Katrina as an excuse to do door to door gun confiscation, or that flood a few years ago where the police turned away helpers from other states. People would handle those things far better than the government. The government wants you to suffer.
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@zhanibek8384 I'd rather live in a n****r state than a police state, as Mark Marek would say. I'll take my chances.
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@zhanibek8384 "They want to." Uhh no. You cannot live the way you want to in "the rest of the world." You must live by a model prescribed from the top down by sociopathic rulers at threat of death.
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@zhanibek8384 They are brainwashed masses. Zero introspection. Zero capability of change. Livestock.
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@zhanibek8384 If you believe that legitimate authority exists, you're an absolutely delusional individual and you're beyond help.
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@zhanibek8384 Oh I don't see humanity as livestock. It is livestock. Whether we see it that way or not. Existing on tax farms, under the complete control of people who genuinely do not care about their well being or suffering, only the utility they can provide.
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@zhanibek8384 Wow what a compelling argument. How could I ever recover from that one? You think you're original, don't you?
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@zhanibek8384 All you have to do is look at the collective behavior of the human species. Having a lot of experience in interacting with people of various cultures and beliefs helps. But the way to see things as clear as possible is to accept that humans are just another species of animal, and much like other species, has been domesticated. After you accept that, human behavior becomes extremely clear and even predictable.
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@zhanibek8384 You're calling me an average American? Americans can barely even see their own nose, let alone anything past it. What does this roofing accident analogy have to do with anything? Are you a welfare queen or something?
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@theedgar1239 I'm not looking for women to have more children. Quite the opposite, in fact. I don't know where you got that idea.
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@Thatguy-ve4dx Why?
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@carlosdgutierrez6570 No. You clearly have zero comprehension on how absurdly expensive raising children is. They'll either eat the taxes, avoid paying them on a large scale (making enforcing payment basically impossible), stop working, or just straight up leave the country.
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@carlosdgutierrez6570 Haha! Okay bro. Keep on thinking you can accomplish that without people smelling it from miles away and jumping ship. China is nearing it's end because of diseconomy of scale and the unsustainability of it's government. Also it was not freedom which caused this. It's mainly an economic uncertainty thing which caused it. Reason being is because authoritarians like you have choke the economy to the point where average people have absolutely no hope of owning a home, let alone producing human capital stock units for you..
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@w花b Facebook is subsidized by various governments to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, and is guaranteed bailouts at your expense should they ever fail. Not a good marker to use.
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@Gymnasiar There is no perfect world. There are only things that can be improved. First step to improvement is to remove the malignant cancer known as the state.
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@Gymnasiar Literally just by leaving people alone and letting them associate voluntarily without some violent organization prescribing one system from the top down.
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@Gymnasiar Forming a government, assuming you mean the organization which claims a monopoly on arbitration and employs arbitrary violence to back it's claims up, then people trying to form one would be no different than some mafia or cartel. If Cheran is any indication, such an attempt would end poorly. Uhh no. I'm not advocating a system at all. I'm advocating people not be violently forced to live under one prescribed model, which is how things currently are. You don't need to regulate what money is. Again. You leave people alone and let them figure it out for themselves. Results would probably be many different mediums of exchange being used at the same time rather than one single medium of exchange which everyone is forced to use, loses value every year, and is only worth anything because of military aggression.
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@iemgote7249 I have very deep understanding on what makes up a modern constitutional republic. That's why I don't like them. "Constitutions are what give those in power said power, this stems from the constitution being by and for the people , the people being where said power comes from." Wrong. Who do you think wrote these founding documents? It wasn't "the people." "The people" had nothing to do with their creation. Saying the constitution is what gives government power is essentially just saying that the government gave itself power. "The concept of the constitution IS exactly the accountability you claim is nonexistent, at least it is so if you don´t give the courts the power to interpret is in whatever fashion they will." How? Describe how a piece of paper written by members of the government intended to give the government power, can create accountability? The government wrote it, and has complete unilateral authority to interpret and even change it without any say from "the people." Every constitutional republic allows the courts complete power over interpretation. That's just a natural consequence of having a government. "Maybe in the US it´s questionable, but in other cases the constitutions keep their governments accountable." You mean like China? Which is a constitutional republic with a bill of rights? Or North Korea? Which is a constitutional republic with a bill of rights? Or the former USSR? Which was a constitutional republic with a bill of rights? Or the Weimar republic? Which was a constitutional republic with a bill of rights? "There is no "ideal government", but rather a system of checks and balances that do what they're supposed to" You want to see what checks and balances have done? Look at the United States of America. The three branches of government are like the three heads of a hydra all working in unison to take your freedom and property. "in an anarcho capitalist society, you HAVE NO CHECKS AND BALANCES and therefore NO ACCOUNTABILITY TO POWER." Considering there is no power to hold accountable in such a society. Though I assume you mean private businesses and just say they're the ones in power like a lefty does. Given that there's no government to take your money and use it to bail out big corporation or give them legal privileges not afforded to anyone else, or to back up their desires with military might, I'd say the problem of power would be quite minimal.
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@charlesinglis517 I don't have anywhere near the same values or desires for myself or society as the rest of you do. If there are consequences for these things I talk about, then so be it.
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@pelledanasten1615 I don't even have an idealized society. Considering human genetic behavior, it's not possible to have an idealized society. Just degrees of good or bad. I'm trying to get people off the dollar. I don't like fiat. None of my kind of people do. People will trade with whatever kind of currency they come up with. Do you think people will sit around doing nothing to solve problems if there isn't a violent monopoly of arbitration enforcing their whims from the top down? You wanna know who prevents stealing and fraud? The people who don't want to be stolen from or defrauded. With force if necessary. Since there cannot be gun control in a scenario like that, people can own whatever they want. What's good for the market is what's good for people. At least it's one of the things that's good for people. We are currently in the midst of the consequences of the government strangling the market for too long, and as a result, people can barely afford the basic necessities, all while politically connect rich people talk about how us peons need to take one for the team to stick it to the "bad guys."
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@pelledanasten1615 A modern example is cryptocurrencies such as monero, bitcoin cash, ethereum, and others. An older example is the liberty dollar, which was meant to be a private silver backed currency separate from the USD. But the US government violently shut it down. What makes you think everyone has to hire private security? What makes you think private security would even consider killing and robbing you, considering that they have their reputation, future earnings, and life on the line? The absolute worst case doomsday scenarios you keep coming up with are already present under the government, and happen every single day. Only difference is that you believe the atrocities are legitimate so long as it's the government doing them.
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@pelledanasten1615 Private security is an option. Not a requirement. Like I've said for the fifth time, it's up to people to make their own decisions, not to have whims imposed on them from the top down. Wouldn't exactly be a good idea to try and steal from people when anyone can own military grade weaponry and don't have to worry about being locked up for defending themselves.
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@pelledanasten1615 Well good thing that since the only reason why firearms are so expensive is due to government regulation and trade restrictions, even poor people will be able to afford it. People generally don't take kindly to thieves. Not sure if you knew that. If you are minding your own business and see your neighbor getting robbed, and you do nothing, then that's a problem with you, not with anarchy.
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@pelledanasten1615 I don't assume good intentions. I'm very cynical. What you're doing is projecting your own apathy onto everyone else. Wanna know what happens to thieves in communities where the police are not trusted? They get mob justice. Right away as soon as they're caught. And you're not taking into account diseconomy of scale. Where a firm gets so large that it begins to cost more to sustain itself than it makes in revenue. The government is a prime example of this, and government subsidiaries such as Amazon, Facebook, or Wal-Mart would not be able to operate at the size they are without the subsidies, legal privileges, and kickbacks given to them by the government. Monopolies cannot be sustained without the government helping them. The best worker protections that have ever existed were labor unions. Conditions would become better, because there would be a lot of competition because the government would no longer be there to strangle the economy and raise barriers to entry. It's simple, really. I don't care what you were taught in government school. It's far safer to murder someone in modern society than it is to murder someone in a stateless society. There are no consequences for self-defense in a stateless society. Nothing preventing you from acquiring the means to defend yourself. If you want to murder someone. Good luck. You'll need it. I can point to certain policies which absolutely strangle people's quality of life and economic opportunities if you want. Firearms would easily be dirt cheap because of a lack of red tape, more competition, and unrestricted imports. Ammo would also be plentiful for the same reason. It would be like back in the early 20th century when you could walk into a hardware store and buy a tommy gun for cheap with no questions asked. That only stopped because of the NFA and other gun control that was passed later. Sounds like you need daddy government to solve all your problems for you.
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@pelledanasten1615 Alright let's see. All business regulations. About 200 new pages of federal regulations are passed every single day, and many of those pages are dedicated to business, increasing the cost of compliance and limiting the amount of things a business can do, making the business less profitable, especially small ones. Occupational licensing raises the barrier to entry as well. Taxation in general makes business harder, especially for smaller businesses. International trade restrictions causing the price of imports to increase, disproportionately effecting small businesses. The regulations on the production of products also causes them to be more expensive. Zoning causes housing shortages and increased prices and rent, as well as limiting what kind of business can operate, also forcing the use of motor vehicles to get anywhere. The FDA is responsible for millions of deaths by delaying life saving medicine and treatments. Intellectual property laws cause monopolistic pricing on products and services, especially pharmaceuticals. Gun control laws prevent people from protecting themselves. Fractional reserve banking destroys the ability for people to secure financial futures for themselves by discouraging saving and investment through inflation, and also causes wars over the currencies that get used in the international oil market, which further complicates things. Nuclear power is stifled through regulation, meaning cheap, clean, and safe energy is unavailable, increasing the cost of electricity. Qualified immunity basically allows government agents to do whatever they want to you at any time they feel like it. Civil asset forfeiture means you can work your entire life and have it all taken from you at a moment's notice without even the accusation of wrongdoing. The expat tax means you can't even leave without forking up thousands of dollars to keep the IRS off of you after emigration. Affirmative action creates a privileged class to whom your jobs and education will be given to at your expense. Really I can go on and on and on. We're living in the middle of a crisis that vindicates everything I've been saying the past few months in these comments, and yet you still can't see it. (They're subsidized by the government to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.)
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@pelledanasten1615 They're not gonna be changed, and they're not gonna go. They're passing federal regulations every single day, making things harder and harder for people, they're devaluing your money every single day, they're exempting themselves from their own rules. There is no reform possible. There isn't a political solution. Government is a cancer. You get rid of it entirely or it inevitably grows back. Everything you fear could go wrong with anarchy is happening right now with government.
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@pelledanasten1615 Best attempt in human history for having a small and limited government ended up with the largest military empire in history with the largest prison population in history, with the most amount of laws in history, and the largest tax farm in history. It's not gonna happen.
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@lorefox201 It's not just them who talk about it.
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@brockgan8941 See. It's not that they have a problem with the economics of low birth rates. When you bring up the solution of immigration, they will reject it. The economics is only an excuse.
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@oscarosullivan4513 Do you understand what a tuatha is? Do you understand Irish history and the place of kings in post-druidic Ireland? My guess is no.
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@Sofiaode18 If you don't save money for retirement throughout the decades of your career, then what else do you expect? If you have children and can't afford them, then what else do you expect but poverty and misery? People need to stop living on autopilot and expecting that others will pick up after their mistakes. Besides. With no state interference in the economy, being too poor to retire or being too poor to have children will be exceedingly rare.
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