Comments by "林子倫" (@zilun) on "What Taiwanese Think of China | Street Interview" video.

  1. Yup, it's like interviewing New Yorkers to "understand what Americans think".
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  2. Just like to add, China does not allow non state-run media to do street interviews. Yet, Asian Boss somehow is allowed. So, take their videos with a grain of salt.
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  3. Not really. - It's our duty to protect and preserve our civil liberty and Taiwan's sovereignty, it's not U.S.'s responsibility. - Taiwan is not Afghan. We don't have factions of armed militia trying to overthrow Taiwan's government for decades. - Taiwan's current stability is not due to U.S. troops suppressing PLA army within Taiwan into hiding caves, while our government extorts for free money from U.S. Taiwan is not Afghan. - U.S. already abandoned Taiwan TWICE. When U.S. ditched Taiwan to establish tie with China and then when U.S.'s removed its military presence in Taiwan upon China's requests. But we are doing just fine.
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  4. I'd like to add. Did anyone saw any Afghan soldier fought any Taliban when Taliban moved into the cities? Any video of *A* fight? Any photos? No fight broke out. They let Taliban walk right in. PLA has to cross Taiwan Straits in a fleet of some 320+ ships with 6,000+ missiles raining on them for 5 hours just to finally have a shot at making an amphibious landing to even be in Taiwan. Has anyone being paying attention to China's flooding problem? Imagine PLA troops that somehow miraculously managed set base camp at coast had their food, medical, ammo supply stalled by flood complications, in China. The only reason China hasn't invaded is China does not have the ability. And we are going to keep it that way, that's the only way "peace" can be achieved with Chinese Communists.
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  5.  @cobaltblue2756  Go to China, take out your mic and video camera, and start questioning people, see what happens. I won't say Asian Boss is fake, but most of what you are saying, are fake as hell. Many of those "YouTubers" are former state-media news casters, some are even current news casters. China knows people don't trust China's state-media so they are selling their narratives in forms that look like "independent" media.
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  6.  @namifujita3490  I was replying to someone who claims it's Biden who wants war ( and not CCP ). I was pointing out it's CCP trying to take Taiwan, not Biden.
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  7.  @taoliu3949  We just had a public vote on four issues. Which city's votes matched the outcome? Kahsiung's or Taipei's? Taiwan's civil rights movements were fought in Kaohsiung. People here in Kaohsiung don't take civil liberty for granted. They are aware of sacrifices made. They are aware those civil liberties can be taken away again by an authoritarian power. That's the main difference.
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  8.  @scotswarrior9535  Biden claims Taiwan is part of U.S. since ancient times and if people of Taiwan don't agree, he will invade?
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  9. You think you know but you don't. Yeah, RoC constitution. Was Taiwan part of RoC when RoC was founded? RoC founded 1911. 1945 Japan begun retreating from Taiwan, and KMT was seeking refuge in Taiwan at the same time. Japan officially surrendered Taiwan in 1951's S.F. Treaty ( signed with U.S., not RoC or PRC ), effective 1952. So, Chiang Kai Shek refusing to acknowledge Mao's PRC as legitimate, has jack to do with Taiwanese.
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  10.  @hgbugalou  Exactly. There are no armed factions within Taiwan that will do CCP's work. CCP has to swim over here and do it themselves.
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  11.  @kappapride_5843  I don't mean this video. I mean their other videos.
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  12.  @cobaltblue2756  I am aware. But Reuters is foreign media inaccessible to Chinese too. Can Reuters do street interview in China? Nope. So how does Asian Boss managed to not get into trouble?
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  13.  @whtdafuk1701  - Whips out mic and camera, start asking questions - Cop, "what are you doing?" - "Just interviewing" - "You have to submit everything to us after you are done" - Done. Submitted. - "You can't show this this this and this" There, non state run.
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  14.  @cobaltblue2756  Just try it when you get the chance to fly to China.
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  15.  @SiRasputin  Reality is Taiwan has never been part of PRC in the history of planet Earth. So, yeah, China can't change that reality.
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  16.  @taoliu3949  Who were KMT's top two non-regional legislature candidates in 2020, that is, those two candidates are guaranteed to have a seat even if KMT got only 10% support? They were the same top two candidates from pro-China-taking-over-Taiwan New Party which had zero support in 2016's election. KMT should have gotten zero seats. Zero.
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  17.  @taoliu3949  I didn't ask for difference in points. I asked, which matched the OUTCOME.
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  18.  @taoliu3949  The outcome was, if we took Taipei's outcome, it does not match Taiwan's. But if we took Kaohsiung's outcome, it match Taiwan's. So which city has a better representation of what Taiwanese want?
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  19.  @taoliu3949  Again, in regards to 2020 party votes, it was not a case where people were equally aware of KMT exploiting the system but had different opinions about it. Any city which had people actively bringing up that issue will obviously have people who otherwise won't care to vote, went out and vote against KMT. It was a difference of how widespread was that issue brought to awareness. Not a good reference point of which cities' population is a better representation of how Taiwanese feel about China.
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  20.  @taoliu3949  If you are going to be that mathematical, do you really believe Asian Boss interviewed only these people? Who got edited out? So let's just say they picked some 20+ people to interview. And decided 6 of them somewhat tell the story. Well, were those 20+ in equal distribution as the entire population of Taipei? And are those 6 an equal distribution of the 20+ they interviewed? Important thing is what they expresss. One dude here says, "Strictly speaking, mainland and Taiwan are part of Republic of China." By your mathematical distribution analysis, this video's close to 20% of Taiwanese think mainland China's president is Tsai Ing Wen ( she is president of RoC ) should sound about right because it is done in Taipei. But does that sound right?
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  21.  Ben Pang  You guys don't even know what 1450 is. They don't exist anymore and they were never concerned with China. They searched for disinformation spewed by KMT on the web against DPP and correct those disinformation, during that one election period which I don't remember which one it was.
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  22. @UCBjbs7sQ4pdBPQNxoTlVRoQ I was replying to OP, who quoted RoC's constitution being omitted by the media as "media not telling full story". Who in Taiwan thinks China is part of Taiwan/RoC and PRC is illegitimate? There was only one dude who thought so and he was dead long ago. OP made it sound as if Taiwanese founded RoC and approved RoC's constitution because we want mainland to be part of RoC.
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  23.  @SiRasputin  Show me where in S.F. Treaty that states Taiwan was to be given to PRC, or even RoC. Heck, Chiang Kai Shek originally wanted to rebuild his RoC in exile in Philippines. Taiwan was only his temporary refuge. But that talk didn't have an outcome so he never left. Technically, Japan surrendered Taiwan to U.S. and U.S. just went, "We think people on that island and KMT can work things out themselves". If KMT never came, Taiwan would have established itself as an island nation post WWII, because Japan can't have it and it's unlikely U.S. would want to claim it. Yes, we wouldn't have been as strong militarily and might be invaded by PRC, but point being, don't make it sound as if Japan signed an agreement with CCP to hand it over to PRC. That never hapoened. On the other hand, it is stated in Nanking Treaty that HK was to be returned to *RoC* at end of lease. China just claim stuff that doesn't exist and ignore ones that do.
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  24.  @SiRasputin  Singapore is closer to Malaysia. Canada and United Stated are linked. What's your point? PRC is part of Mongolia which is part of Russia?
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  25.  @misterdd7239  Same old script. What did princess Xi eat when she was studying at Harvard? American pork. Just because Taiwan permitted Italian cars to compete in Taiwan's free open market, does not mean our government forced us to drive Ferraris. Up til now, imported porks from all countries, managed to grab only 1.2% of our market because our home grown pork is just much tastier. It's a non issue. Sugar does far more harm to our body than American pork.
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  26.  @taoliu3949  I mentioned 2020's election in response to your analysis of party votes in 2020. Not recent referendum.
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  27.  @taoliu3949  If we let Kaohsiung voted for Taiwan. We would have four "No". What was the outcome we had? Four "No".
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  28.  @taoliu3949  I didn't say OP said Asian Boss edited out other interviewee. When OP or people like me who says a better representation would be this or that, we are talking about what they express. Not how many of them leaned which side. People aren't either this or opposite of this. So, a better representation is not a more accurate ratio of black vs white. It's expressed sentiments that reflects general concerns better.
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  29.  @taoliu3949  I didn't say ALL people of Taipei thinks RoC includes mainland. Heck, I have relatives in Taipei whose father ( a doctor ) was abducted by KMT for no reason when KMT came and she never saw her dad again. I said, the interviewer won't find someone still clinging on to Chiang Kai Shek's RoC outside of Taipei. I already pointed out, if we had just let Kaohsiung's votes decide for Taiwan, the OUTCOME would be the same. But if we had just let Taipei's votes decide for Taiwan, the OUTCOME would have been different than the one we had. So, how is Kaohsiung more skewed?
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  30.  @ComradeMario  “不能有負面言論”，那不就是在管了嗎？
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  31.  Ben Pang  You mean like "Taiwan is part of PRC"? Do you have the dates when Taiwan was part of PRC?
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  32.  Ben Pang  RoC's constitution says mainland is part of RoC under seige by commie bandits. Any more questions? Can you tell me what year to what year was Taiwan part of PRC?
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  33.  @JH-bb8in  It's worse than you think. Wait till you hear what some of our legislators say on daily basis. But I'm so proud of young Taiwanese kids with zero funding putting up a good fight against China's billion-dollar-a-year funded subversion and infiltration. And those kids are actually winning. Impressive.
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  34.  @SiRasputin  Did Qing took Taiwan legally? If Xi invades Taiwan, is that legal? When Mao overthrown RoC and took China, was that legal?
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  35.  @SiRasputin  Not really. Treaty stated RoC, not "China". Which year did PRC became RoC? RoC had claim over HK, but Jiang Jr. ( then president of RoC ) decided not to challenge PRC. He would have leased it for another 50 years due to difficulty in protecting HK militarily if PRC wanted to take it by force. And he felt CCP would have easily painted him as a traitor to Chinese people for extending HK's lease considering the historical context of how HK was taken by Brits. So he let it slide.
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  36.  @SiRasputin  LOL. It was CCP that went to Soviet Union for help to burn its own country, RoC to the ground. How was life in China before it opened trade with Taiwan and U.S.? We have jack to do with anything that happened in China. Do you know what entity killed the most Chinese, by far? Take a guess.
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  37.  @furryboar29   他的意思是朋友之間不談政治，怕意見不同傷感情，不是在說怕跟什麼維穩單位有衝突。台灣人民給政府的維穩預算是$0。
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  38.  @walkerjc6050  Repeating a lie a million times over won't make it true. Especially in our era of free flow information.
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  39.  @misterdd7239  Yeah well, Taiwanese leaders aren't elected by people in Washington D.C. or Beijing. They are elected by Taiwanese and will be expected by Taiwanese to deliver what Taiwanese elected them to do. What's U.S. going to do if Taiwanese want to give up civil liberty to live under authoritarian state with no rights? Invade Taiwan? What's CCP going to do if Taiwan refuse to cave in to what China wants? Invade Taiwan? Okay, that one might happen. But, we will make sure it won't by making it a risk so high that it could collapse CCP. We aren't pawns. Others have power over you only if you let them.
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  40.  @taoliu3949  Again, if we let Taipei vote for Taiwan, would we get the result we got? Nope. But if we let Kahsiung vote for Taiwan, would we net the same result as we got? Yes.
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  41.  @sakaijin7270  I meant this channel's other videos, not this one
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  42.  @taoliu3949  Ugh. So you think being closer to unpopular opinion is less skewed than not as close to popular opinion? Which city will net us the SAME outcome if we just the that city decide for Taiwan?
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  43.  @taoliu3949  I already told you. Where would we be if we let Taipei decide for Taiwan. Not the same as where we are. Where would we be if we let Kaohsiung decide for Taiwan? The SAME as where we are. Recent votes on issues already proved that.
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  44.  @taoliu3949  In recent referendum, Kaohsiung's outcome was against all 4, Taipei's outcome supported all 4. National participation was 41.9%, Kaohsiung 42%, Taipei 47.1%, the highest in Taiwan. Yet, National outcome was against all 4. And Kaohsiung is more skewed of a representation?
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  45.  @taoliu3949  I didn't say more turn out is bias. But they had more in the pot, and yet, national outcome didn't match theirs.
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  46. The thing with ALL street interview is, these videos show only five or six of some 20+ people being interviewed. Is "who gets edited out" transparent? And there is nothing wrong with journalism with a stance. It's a problem only when certain voice are denied of the same legal right as other voices. For example, 'Asian Boss' could be more inclined towards some political stance, not a problem. But it's a problem when some other channel which also has its own stance does not get to share the same legal right to publish as 'Asian Boss'. Taiwan's media environment is fine. It's actually too lenient, because foreign-state funded media operating in the interests foreign state against Taiwan aren't protected under Taiwan freedom of press, and should be shut down. But they aren't.
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  47.  Ben Pang  一年的虧損？當初不要堅持要修法有權力抓香港人去中國審，不就好了？講得好像香港人把遊行抗議當休閒娛樂。你酸只是想到人家丟了命也不想過你過的日子，你想了就心酸。
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  48.  @chirag7x681  Deng Xiaoping said, countries that followed U.S.'s leadership all became prosperous. How was China doing before establishing trade relations with Taiwan and U.S.?
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  49.  @tristalacour2492  Most Taiwanese don't have family in mainland. Most are descendants of immigrants from Qing era, not families of Nationalist soldiers who fled Taiwan. Taiwan is an independent state. There was never a day when Taiwan was part of PRC in the history of planet Earth. If there is, give us those dates.
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  50. These types of videos can never be made accurate representation. Let's just first assume there was no sampling bias to start with. If of 20+ interviewed, half of them expressed more or less of the same, while the other half are very varied with interesting perspectives, video is going to look boring with no effort when half of the footage sounds repetitive. So, most shared sentiment often aren't shown to be. And if of those 20+ interviewed, if one of them managed to express well with very unique and intriguing perspective, he will be given a lot time despite he "represented" 1/20. These types of videos are interesting to watch, it's also nice to know how others think but they aren't a gauge to any bigger picture.
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  51. Bad analogy. Taiwan has never been part of PRC in the history of planet Earth.
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  52. CCP didn't pulled China out of poverty. U.S. and Taiwan did. It was CCP that sunk China into poverty. Don't believe me? Just watch what happens when decoupling is complete.
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  53.  @csm1986  Where did China's manufacturing tech came from? It just fell from the sky? Taiwan's factories in China making American dollars paid by U.S. corporations was what created jobs in China. Job opportunities in turn allowed for more disposable incomes which then allowed more domestic business opportunities to provide goods and services that goes beyond just not starving. Just wait till everyone moves out. China get to keep what it had already stolen but no more. You will witness how it go.
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  54.  @csm1986  Kenya has low cost labor. Why isn't it being developed like China was? China had dirt cheap labor during the 50s when Mao starved everyone to death. Why didn't that help China's economy?
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  55.  @csm1986  Free trade? So China opens up and suddenly it has valuable stuff to sell? What? Jade? Oil? No. It was "made in China" goods. How did that start? China signs WTO and suddenly everyone knows how to make products for Sony, Nokia, Nintendo, Motorola, HP, GE? Who was making those products before they were all made in China? That's where those manufacturing tech came from.
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  56.  @csm1986  It's not assumption. I actually know people in real life who had made millions when they moved Taiwan's manufacturing to China in the early 90s. They were forced by U.S. corporations to move manufacturing to China. Not due to lower labor costs ( as they had informed their U.S. clients that one Taiwanese can handle job responsibilities that will take 4 Chinese to do, and it's better to continue manufacturing in Taiwan, then there's additional training time that all adds to costs ) but Americans perceive how logistics of future businesses will be. Much like how Steve Jobs insisted Apple products be made in U.S. of A, but Tim Cook convinced him they have to make it in China.
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  57.  @csm1986  Been told? By who? LOL. I can think, you know. Find me one article in Taiwan which states what I just said. You won't find one. It's just logical reasoning. Like I said, once Taiwan moves out, you will see I am right.
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  58.  @csm1986  90+% of patents never turn into actual product.
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  59.  @csm1986  Huawei, China's pride. Runs on what? Android by Google, processor by Qualcomm which is fabricated by TSMC. TSMC, Taiwan's pride, but who designed those chips? U.S. companies. China's role in supply chain can be replaced, by splitting those up to India, Vietnam, Mexico, wherever. U.S.'s role and Taiwan's role can't be replaced, that is, China can't ask Iran to set up factories in China to replace Taiwan's factories and then sell those products to North Korea instead of United States.
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  60.  @csm1986  end of 2019: Apple to Taiwan's factories,"We want at least 1/3 of our production out of China, ASAP" Feb 2022: Made in India iPhone shipping worldwide
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  61.  @csm1986  Dude, I have noticed China does not publish nationwide unemployment rate anymore. It publish only unemployment rate of nationwide urban areas and unemployment rate of people 30 or younger. Even then, those numbers are probably bloated, and they still look very alarming. It doesn't look good. Wait till Taiwan's full exodus takes effect. You will see.
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  62.  @csm1986  Actually, Taiwanese are proud of TSMC but don't really care about Foxconn.
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  63.  @csm1986  Ah yes, suicide at workers' housing. What did Chinese government do about it? Nothing. Because CCP needs Foxconn to keep providing jobs. What did Foxconn do about it. Not much. However, Apple then forced Foxconn to certain work environment standards because that news caught on in America and Americans weren't happy about Apple "letting that type of stuff happen". So, Apple, an American company, had to enforce work environment standards IN CHINA due to pressure from AMERICANS. Yeah, Chinese work environment improved not because CCP passed laws to protect Chinese from factory bosses but because Americans refuse to buy products from slave labor and American companies do not want their brand value tarnished by being associated with slave labor. Now, can you see why "evil capitalism" somehow always managed to improve everyone's living standards while socialism always fail?
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  64.  @csm1986  Denmark is not socialist. Denmark actually tried socialism in the 60s and almost collapsed its economy. It quickly ditched socialism.
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  65.  @taoliu3949  My issue with legislative candidate was not Taipei vs Kahsiung. It was KMT should have gotten 0% for that nasty stunt they pulled instead of some 30% they got. I was saying point difference between cities in such scenario was utterly meaningless. Because they were people who were furious but they were also people who weren't even aware of it. It wasn't like everyone were aware but had different opinions. So a better comparison would be recent public votes.
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  66.  @taoliu3949  Yes, there are counties that are very blue. But what will be the odds of that dude's sentiment being featured here if this was done outside of Taipei? There are blues who think RoC is dead if it is not KMT in charge. There are blues who think RoC had been hijacked by DPP. There are rare pure blues who are anti-communists anti-Beijing, identify themselves as Taiwanese but are not fond of DPP. Etc, etc. But how many on our entire island recognize mainland still being part of RoC while refusing to recognize DPP's candidates as legitimate leaders of RoC? Probably less than ten.
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  67.  @taoliu3949  Ugh. How many if those blue votes is this type of blue: They don't really care too much about politics, but their regional KMT offices do a great job of servicing them? A LOT.
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  68. ​ @taoliu3949  I get it already, you think being closer to the undesired side is more accurate a representation than being not as close on the more desired side. I get it. That's just wrong. Yes, it's people who vote. If we let only people of Kaohsiung vote, what would we get? No, no, no, and no. If we let only people of Taipei vote, what would we get? Yes, yes, yes, and yes. What outcome did we have? No, no, no and no. And your conclusion is it's more skewed in Kaohsiung?
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  69.  @MarkMark-xz4ff  I had replied multiple times. I was referring to this channel, not this specific video.
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  70.  @taoliu3949  Let me put it this way. How many people in Taiwan thinks mainland is part of RoC? Close to zero. How much of screen time is that dude represented here? Okay, now, how many people in Taiwan are aware that peace or war is not up to Taiwanese, it's up to CCP, since defending side can't start a war. A good chunk of our population. How much of that sentiment is represented here? Zero. Why? Okay, so let's just assume this was done in Kaohsiung, how do you think this video would turn out?
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  71. Re-education camps. Oppress til submission. How else? Authoritarian state will never allow existence of civil power.
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  72. Not really. There is an even older advise to go by: Si vis pacem, para bellum. You don't get to choose if a thug would rob you or not. The thug gets to decide. Not you. But you can discourage him from acting on it by letting him know he will lose an arm and a leg if he were to act on it. Taiwan did try to be nice with China during Ma era. Taiwan practically helped build China to what it is today by moving our manufacturing tech into China. What did we get in return? Threats. We were never under threats we face today when PRC was dirt poor. "Peace" with Chinese Communists can only be achieved by making it crystal clear that war would be a bad option for them. The very second Chinese Communists think Taiwanese will avert war at all costs, they will invade.
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  73.  @hehehehehehe5801  U.S. doesn't want war. U.S. wants stability. Stability allows for economic growth. It's China's expansionism looking for war. That is why countries in south east Asia wants U.S.'s military presence in the region but are alarmed by China's military presence in the region.
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  74.  Ben Pang  馬列主義是中華民族的？你知不知道老毛強迫孔子學的學徒把孔子家族的墳挖了再燒成灰？
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  75.  Ben Pang  想有穩定收入的員工？恆大員工嗎？人權什麼時候保障你有工作？來我教你。恆大員工被迫拿自己的資產去買恆大的債為“投資”，好啦，現在他們被掏空了，有辦法告恆大嗎？如果恆大的後台是政府，有辦法嗎？孟晚舟把美國技術偷賣給伊朗被抓包，逮補後都還能反告美國政府。了解差別了嗎？
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  76.  Ben Pang  不是。民權是人民有權力限制政權的權力。例如，中國開補習班課後班外語班的，沒有在好好經營自己的生意養員工嗎？有啊。誰給政府權力把他們的生意都封殺了？那權力是人民給的嗎？例如，中國務農的，專心務農養員工，地方政府在雨季趁機無預警洩洪，他們的田被淹了。誰給政府權力這樣搞的？人民嗎？人民沒有權力限制政權的權力，就是沒有民權。你們真可憐，老是覺得有一個工作填飽肚子就是有民權有自由。那任何沒有餓死的動物都算有民權了。
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  77.  Ben Pang  LOL. You don't even know what you are replying to. I was not calling the person I replied to a con. I was telling him CCP doesn't keep any promise. Name me ONE agreement which CCP kept since CCP was founded. Just one. Within past 100 years. Name one. Just one. Trying to work out an agreement with CCP is a waste of time. That was my point.
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  78.  @SiRasputin  India didn't see the same development because Taiwan moved its manufacturing to China, not India. Now that Taiwan will be moving out of China to India, Vietnam, Mexico, it'll be a different story.
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  79. Current situation, different sentiments, and where those sentiments came from is very complex, but if you are talking geopolitics, it's very simple. It's like after patriots took North America mainland from British government, they founded the country as United States of Britain. And then claim all former territories of British Empire, Singapore, India, all of it, including British islands itself, belong to U.S. of B which is the new British Empire. Despite they never governed or even step foot on any of those territories. And the world let them.
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  80. 這等於在說我家能不被土匪燒的話，是比較理想。廢話。能引發戰爭的是攻方，台灣是守方。假設全台灣人喊著要打，中國動都不動，會有戰爭嗎？還是不會打啊。假設全世界的人都說兩岸不要打，習包子想打，會有戰爭嗎？會打啊。這麼簡單的邏輯。
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  81.  @raymondwong6610  那樣你都看不懂？伍牦網軍天天喊武力解決，就是要台灣人安撫中共來避戰，就是，「中共要我們怎樣我們就做，只要不戰爭就好了」，當台灣人傻子？流氓要搶我家，我讓他知道我不想跟他打，他馬上就搶了，我讓他知道他就算搶成功了也會斷手斷腳，他才會考慮不動手。那台灣人當然跟你說要打就打別廢話。
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  82.  @csm1986  Socialism protects workers? Then why do socialist countries often have workers working in bad work environments with lower wages while capitalist countries have workers working in far better work environments at higher wages?
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  83.  @csm1986  Is TSMC state run and state owned? TSMC took off when who lead it? Dude who got his decades of experience at Texas Instruments before leading TSMC. Everything always trace back to tech skills from U.S. of A.
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  84.  @csm1986  Milton Friedman had been proven right, by what really happens in our real world. Socialism does not work.
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  85.  @csm1986  Ridiculous comment? Did or did not Apple recently suspended two plants from manufacturing for Apple until they improve work environments? That did happen. Can CCP do its socialist job of making sure workers work in proper work environment so evil capitalist Apple doesn't have to do the job for CCP? Capitalism works. Socialism doesn't.
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  86.  @csm1986  That's like communists saying, "Go look up what communism means." - It's outcome of real world execution that matters - Good intention ≠ good result So far, any country that went socialist, all ended in disaster. ALL. How did Mao's socialism go? Did Great Leap Forward provided job opportunities or starved everyone to death?
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  87.  @csm1986  Apple is now worth more than Russia or UK's economy, and it's still not a state enterprise. Things outside the walls of China don't work like China. TSMC is not a state run or state own enterprise.
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  88.  @csm1986  Electricity, dams for electric power, lights, telecommunication, satellite, satellite communication, flight, commercial fight, chips, personal computer, internet, smart mobile devices, all came from United States. It is because United States is an authoritarian regime which the government had the foresight to build those things? Or is it because U.S. government didn't interfere with what what people want to do with their lives, let people live however they want, and then people just went and built those things?
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  89.  @csm1986  Morris Chang was once asked what attributed to TSMC's success. He replied, trust from our U.S. partners. Trust. Huawei is now sinking. Why? U.S. doesn't trust Huawei anymore. Let's see if "foresight of authoritarian government" and "socialism" can save China's now downward economy.
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  90.  @vivian_7005  日本最初的技術也是來自美國，日本就不能是獨立自主國嗎？這兩件事有什麼關係？
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  91.  @vivian_7005  所以你的意思是，只要小米手機用Android系統跟Qualcomm晶片，Lenovo的電腦用Windows的系統跟Intel的晶片，中國就無法是一個獨立的國家？
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  92.  @vivian_7005  台灣從哪一年到哪一年是PRC的，有年份嗎？
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  93.  @outisnemo555  你這是有回答到我的問題嗎？我問你年份。給個年份很難嗎？來，我先。大陸從1911到1948是RoC的。來輪到你，台灣從____到____是PRC的。年份。
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  94.  @outisnemo555  中國去年慶祝72年國慶，不是5千年國慶。你要倒轉時間怎麼不到轉到那塊土地是4、5個王國的時代還是屬於蒙古領土的時代？
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  95.  @amihart9269  That's not how things work outside the walls of China. China has *state-run* media indoctrinating the masses. That's not the relationship between public and the media for countries like Taiwan and U.S. For countries like ours, media are just private businesses. Yes, its owners and editors can have their own political inclination, but in the end, they are just businesses. So, if they provide contents which the public do not like, they go out of business. They stay in businesses by giving the public what they want.
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  96.  @FHK_88  Since when does the defender get to decide if war happens or not? It does NOT matter if we want or do not want war. It's meaningless. That CHOICE is up to the attacker. We decide how to respond to CCP's choice. You don't get to decide if a wolf will eat your child. The wolf gets to decide. You decide what to do if the wolf acts on it.
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  97.  @FHK_88  I didn't say you think a war will happen or will not happen. I'm saying, whether Taiwanese want war or not is meaningless, because that choice is NOT up to us. Whether Chinese want war or not is also meaningless because they don't have civil power to elect leaders who would serve what they want, so it's not up to them either. It's all up to CCP's choice. No one else's preference really matters. CCP isn't going to go, "Well, Taiwanese seem to not want war, so maybe I shouldn't invade even though I really want to."
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  98.  @FHK_88  I'll try to explain myself a clearer way. For relationships such as Malaysia and Singapore, yes, an approach of sustaining current peace to avert war would be fine. Since potential war is nowhere to be seen even in the far horizon, it'd be nice if this peace is kept. However, China wants to take Taiwan. That's a very different relationship, and the approach should be averting war to sustain "peace". So how do we avert war? The very second I let a thug know I really don't want a fight, he will rob me. I need to let him know he would lose an arm and a leg if he tries, even if he succeeded. That will discourage him and buy me more days which he put that idea on pause. Me preferring he wouldn't rob me, is meaningless.
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  99.  @FHK_88  I am not asking you or anyone to take any side. I am simply pointing out whether us Taiwanese want war or not is meaningless. Since that CHOICE is not up to us. Taiwanese don't have civil power to elect a president of China who won't invade Taiwan. So it doesn't matter. We can only avert war by making sure China won't have the capacity to start one. There is no other option.
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  100.  @FHK_88  Whether us Taiwanese want or do not want war is meaningless. That's like saying I don't want my house to be burnt by thugs. Of course. But that's not up to you. That CHOICE is up to thugs to decide. You don't get to decide. The only thing you can do is put up a strong security and make it known that any thug who dare try, it will cost them greatly.
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  101. 你同意他的說法，兩岸都屬**中華民國**？那蔡英文也是中國大陸的總統了，不是嗎？
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  102.  @ryansmerfy9307  我是問你同意不同意他說的，兩岸都屬於**中華民國**？同意還是不同意？
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  103.  @ryansmerfy9307  我已經50歲了。人生大多都在美國，2016後才回來台灣定居。當時連蔡英文、馬英九、是誰都不知道。老兄，洗腦第一條件：一言堂。台灣沒有那個條件。中國有。
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  104.  @ryansmerfy9307  我沒有對台灣不了解。只是在說我不是從小被洗腦的年輕人。我回來前知道的不多，可是我已經不工作了，時間多的是，花了很多時間了解台灣。
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  105.  @ryansmerfy9307  我的看法跟你差很多。台灣"問題"很簡單，上一代爭取到的民權跟自由，要守好留給未來的台灣囝仔，這是我們這一代的責任。就這樣簡單。
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  106.  @ryansmerfy9307  我的天啊！所以目前是由台灣人在2020決定了蔡英文是兩岸（中華民國）的現任總統嗎？你覺得這是事實？
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  107.  @ryansmerfy9307  中天沒有被關好嗎，中天自己被警告多次不改，廣播執照無法更新。台灣有禁中天在多媒體的頻道嗎？沒有。柯痞天天罵蔡英文，坐牢了沒有？
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  108.  @ryansmerfy9307  老蔣還在的話會先槍斃今日在通共的國民黨員吧。你倒底知不知道老蔣多恨中國共產黨，小蔣多看不起中國共產黨。你去了解一下為什麼蔣經國堅持跟中共不接觸、不談判、不妥協。真被他完全說中了，他真了解中共的邪惡本性。
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  109.  @ryansmerfy9307   兩岸=中華民國 台灣人在2020決定了蔡英文是中華民國的現任總統=台灣人在2020決定了蔡英文是兩岸的現任總統 這邏輯有不對嗎？
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  110.  @ryansmerfy9307  蔡英文把誰嚇壞了？來，我就說「蔡英文是豬頭」，你現在去報警叫人來抓我。民主，就是人民有民權力監督跟限制政權的權力，請問，2016至今的台灣政府做了哪件事是超越人民委託給政權的權力？
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  111.  @ryansmerfy9307  我人在美國幾十年，從來不看台灣新聞或台灣節目，是怎樣被洗腦？
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  112.  @ryansmerfy9307  蔣經國「我將近五十年來之政治生活，深切認識共產黨乃是邪惡魔鬼，殺人凶手，所有威脅、利誘、欺騙、分化之伎倆，無所不用其極；尤其血氣方剛之青年人以及苟且偷生之徒最容易上當，一入圈套即無法自拔。」 國民黨試圖跟中共友好，是不是就變成他說的那樣了？被利誘、欺騙、分化，上當後入圈套即無法自拔？很準。所以還是回到三不政策才對。
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  113.  @ryansmerfy9307  我已經說了，沒有什麼恨不恨，上一代爭取到的民權跟自由，要守好留給未來的台灣囝仔，這是我們這一代的責任。任何可行的方法就是台灣必走的方向，任何會導致這件事失敗的，台灣都不能做。
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  114.  @ryansmerfy9307  三立怎麼了？中天被警告廣播內容不均很多次了，就是不鳥新聞局警告。注意，是不均，不是不中立。就是，8成時間報韓國魚，只有兩成時間報其他新聞，例如，氣象，文化活動，經濟，環境，其他韓國魚以外的政治議題，等等。三立有8成時間罵韓國魚，還是8成時間說台積電好棒棒，還是8成時間報蔡英文嗎？
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  115.  @ryansmerfy9307  你：兩岸均屬中華民國 也是你：中華民國早已不存在了！ 倒底是哪一個？
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  116.  @ryansmerfy9307  我沒說台灣人能決定中國的政治，那是按**你的**兩岸均屬中華民國論去推出來的結果。我認爲台灣是台灣，中國是中國，在這情況，中華民國總統是誰干對岸屁事？
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  117.  @ryansmerfy9307  我再重覆一次 X = 兩岸 Y = 中華民國 X = Y 結論：“中華民國總統是蔡英文 = 兩岸總統是蔡英文” 請問，以上的句子是事實嗎？不是。所以 X 不是 Y，了解？
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  118.  @ryansmerfy9307  ad hominem 不是合理句啊，老兄 甲：地球不是平的 乙：你這種頭腦只能在餐廳洗碗！ ≠ 地球是平的 能不能專心看一下邏輯？
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  119.  @ryansmerfy9307  你們這些伍牦，她的母校都在大選後公開發推文「祝賀**蔡博士**連任」了，你們還卡在假博士。我去總統府前面罵她假博士，不會有事。上次國民黨不是開車在總統府前面繞，邊按喇叭邊罵她嗎？有事嗎？在台灣電視上罵她假博士的被抓了嗎？都跟你說了，柯痞天天罵她，柯痞不是還好好的？還能成立黨勒。
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  120.  @ryansmerfy9307  所以，現在又變成中華民國是中國了？ okay 中華民國=中國 你：中華民國早已不存在了！ 結論：中國早已不存在了！ 這對嗎？
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  121.  @ryansmerfy9307  民進黨何時消滅了中華民國？民進黨何時去找了蘇聯拿軍火搞內戰，用槍桿子奪政權把國民黨殺到國民黨逃到外島了？
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  122.  @ryansmerfy9307  中華民國=中國；中華民國早已不存在了，所以，中國早已不存在了。 這倒底是對還是不對？
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  123.  @ryansmerfy9307  賀文不是從任何研究室發出的，就是LSE官方帳號
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  124.  @ryansmerfy9307  花錢買外交的是以前國民黨幹的事，台灣已經不做那種事了。蔡英文不像習皇帝，她的權限是台灣人民限制的。講得好像台灣人沒民權力，拜託。
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  125. @UChnJ8Qy2cSMzh7qlrH4nYww 廢話真多，土匪要搶我家，當然是在我家搶我家，難道在土匪是去他阿嫲家搶我家？記得自己背足夠的水、糧食、醫護用品、子彈，台灣超商不收人民幣也不賣軍火。
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  126.  @taoliu3949  Yea, that was what I said, but I didn't claim OP said that. I was addressing your issue on ratio distribution. Do people being interviewed interviewed, no matter how many, maintain the exact voter ratio distribution of of Taipei? And do the ones selected to tell the story then maintain the exact voter ratio distribution of those interviewed? Unlikely. What's important is what they express. Vote turn out ratio distribution is mostly binary. Demographic isn't binary. Opinions aren't binary. Taipei is skewed. Where else on this planet do you find a dude who thinks mainland is still part of RoC and criticizes DPP while not realizing he just made Tsai Ing Wen president of mainland China? Only in Taipei.
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  127.  @taoliu3949  I was not rounding up. Which is closer to a representation? +2% towards the unpopular side, or +3% towards the popular side? Keep in mind Taipei's population size and turn outs should already pull more towards Taipei's numbers, and yet, the outcome is being pulled to the other side.
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  128.  @danguee1  It’s not. Let’s just assume this interview is varied exactly as voting distribution. Which is more of an accurate representation? Unpopular opinions being featured more prominently as if it’s the overall leaning opinions, or popular opinions being featured 2/100 more than it really is?
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  129.  @王小三-r1p  Which law?
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  130.  @taoliu3949  It’s technically an invasion. Since PRC and Taiwan were never one country at any moment in human history.
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  131.  @taoliu3949  And how exactly is China going to take Taiwan?
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  132. Those laws already exist had had existed for a long time
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  133.  @RamMohammadJosephKaur  And how do you managed to know? Because it had be disclosed.
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  134.  @geoff9858  I didn't say laws to prohibit NGO. But laws to disclose associations with state if there is. For example VoA and PBS makes it very clear it is partly funded by U.S. government. Does Confucius Institute make it clear it is funded by Chinese government? It never did. China is the one being sneaky.
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  135.  @geoff9858  I said funded by Chinese GOVERNMENT. It did try to pretend it's private owned institution, did it not?
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  136.  @geoff9858  Did it ever disclose it is funded by Chia's GOVERNMENT? After Meng Wanzhou's arrest, Huawei went silent, but Chinese GOVERNMENT then abducted two Canadians as hostage. Has Huawei ever disclosed it is funded by China's GOVERNMENT and affiliated with CCP?
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  137.  @geoff9858  Yes. Those laws already exists. Do VoA, PBS, BBC, etc, etc, disclose they are partly funded by U.S., UK government? Yes. Because laws require them to. Has China's government funded entities ever disclose they are funded and affiliate with a state power? Never.
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  138.  @geoff9858  Okay, so U.S. already has such laws and those laws are enforced to make sure entities affiliated with U.S. government need to disclose. Which country is this thread accusing of not disclosing? Which countries are the ones who don't have such laws and probably will resist against having such laws that will require disclosure of affiliation with the state?
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  139.  @geoff9858  I will put it in a simpler way. Which countries citizens have civil power to demand transparency from the state, and which are the countries which the state value no transparency and has the power to do so?
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  140. In that case, Mao's PRC is illegitimate since civil war was RoC's civil war between KMT and CCP. Is that true? That Mao's PRC is illegitimate?
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  141.  @melaozhu   - countries existed long before UN existed - PRC was recognized only after 1971, does that mean PRC is not a country between 1950 to 1970? No. So all that has nothing to with legitimacy of a country - Civil war was NOT RoC vs PRC, it was RoC's civil war of KMT vs CCP. So, if civil war hasn't ended, it means PRC is still illegitimate, because all would still be RoC, get it? So, civil war obviously the day Mao established PRC, if PRC is legitimate.
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  142.  @melaozhu  It's either [A] RoC's civil war ended, with Mao splitting RoC into PRC and RoC, or, [B] RoC's civil war hasn't end and thus PRC is illegitimate. Pick one. There is no other.
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  143.  @melaozhu  I don't think PRC is illegitimate. I said, that would be the case if RoC's civil war has not ended. Let's just say, U.S. of A now has a civil war between Democratic Party and Republican Party. If this war hasn't end, what country would it be? Still U.S. of A. Civil war ended when Mao established PRC.
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  144.  @melaozhu  Is Taiwan the one threatening to invade China? You go tell that "We do not promise to not use force against Taiwan" Xi PingPing A Ding that peace is good. Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, India, Korea, all welcome U.S. military presence in the region but are alarmed and threatened by China's military activities in the region. What does that tell you?
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  145.  @melaozhu  For argument's sake, let's just say ALL of Taiwanese want war. But China does not make a move. Will there be war? No. Let's just say ALL Chinese, ALL Taiwanese do not want war. Everyone on this planet do not want to see a Straits War. But Xi wants war. Will there be war? Yes. So, what are you lecturing me on peace for? There is only one dude that matters in this case. Go tell him.
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  146.  @joshephand5538  True Si vis pacem, para bellum
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  147.  @餘年-k  台灣人能有今天的民權跟自由，是南部人的犧牲換來的。天龍國人覺得民主自由是天上掉下來的。台南市長是 Yale 公衛，Harvard 行政 雙碩士。
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  148.  @餘年-k  笑死。你們家習公主在美國唸書時是吃什麼肉？台灣開放讓義大利在台灣賣車，是等於台灣政府強迫人民開法拉利嗎？進口豬，在台灣，長期以來，只搶得到1.2%的市場，因為台灣豬就是比較好吃。
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  149.  Ben Pang  我對 collectivism 沒興趣，我不吃那套。劉曉波比寫哈利波特的作家強，Milton Friedman 比毛澤東強，Karl Marx 是白痴，貝聿銘是天才，了解？
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  150.  Ben Pang  還活在沒人權的國度的人在提醒我已經2022年了，我的媽。
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  151.  Ben Pang  美國怎麼了？美國那麼不好，你們中共高官怎麼都把小孩跟從納稅人偷來的資產放美國？習包子幹嘛把女兒送去美國唸書？
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  152.  Ben Pang  連自己想生幾個小孩的權力，想看什麼書的權力，都沒有了還談民權？
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  153.  Ben Pang  恒大員工的遭遇才是人權？哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈！
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  154.  Ben Pang  你自己是伍牦不等於別人留言是在賺錢
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  155.  @bongtzeyong7540  Talking with a con is a waste of time.
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  156.  Ben Pang  恒大的員工有被保護到嗎？笑死。雖然民權是人民跟政權的關係不是員工跟企業的關係，可是你要聊員工跟企業，我們就看看。最沒有安全保障的不就你們中國員工？不必中國比美國，我問你一個非常簡單的問題好了，在中國境內，你會選擇在中國老闆的中企工作還是美國老闆的美企工作？那一個會有比較好的工作環境跟保障？李克強說中國有6億人月收入不到一千人民幣。這等於就算這6億人的老闆給他們加薪到6倍，這在台灣都還是違法因為還是低於法定最低工資。
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  157.  @heimuk  The fact that he is not at risks of being locked up by China's police for speaking his mind, pretty much proves he is not Chinese.
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  158.  @tristalacour2492  So wrong on so many levels.
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  159.  @tristalacour2492  Taiwan being taken by PRC is the surest way to guarantee Taiwanese' civil liberty will be taken away.
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  160.  @tristalacour2492  LOL. If having Han inhabitants makes the island PRC's, then U.S. of A need to be sliced up and given to UK, Germany, Italy, Kenya, Denmark, Japan, Russia, well, almost every country on Earth.
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  161.  @jasoncheng3025  PRC ≠ Qing PRC is 70+ old
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  162. Countries exited before UN existed. PRC wasn't recognized by UN until 1971. Was PRC an independent country between between 1950 and 1970?
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  163.  @raymondwong6610  有嗎？是你們看見當官的要先跪下吧
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  164.  @raymondwong6610  你說錯話看錯書就要被關了，什麼時候有台灣人說了美國不想聽的看了日本不給看的，被美國人日本人捉去再教育營了？先自己能站起來吧。
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  165.  @raymondwong6610  劉曉波？
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  166.  @raymondwong6610  只有天天受百年恥辱百年恥辱百年恥辱不停洗腦的中國人還活在二戰的"你們台灣被日本控制"。
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