Comments by "林子倫" (@zilun) on "What happens if China invades Taiwan?" video.

@NewAmericanIn2007 We are already independent. Taiwan was never part of PRC in the history of planet Earth. Our prior generations sacrificed to give us civil rights, it's our duty to preserve those civil liberties for future children of Taiwan. It's our responsibility. That's our core concern. It's never about a choice of pro-beijing vs pro-independence.
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@VienPeaaace The country creating tension in this region is China. The country brining stability to this region is U.S. Which is why Japan, India, South Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan, all welcome U.S.'s military presence in this region but are threatened by China's military activities in the region.
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CCP will collapse. That's what will happen to China and Taiwan. All Commie-Marxist state ended in tragedy. China won't be an exception if it refuses to evolve out of that idiocracy.
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@eveyang7291 What year to what year was Taiwan part of PRC? Do you have those dates? RoC was founded in 1911 WITHOUT Taiwan. Mao started RoC's civil war which Taiwan was NOT involved in any shape or form. KMT's Nationalist army then seek refuge in Taiwan around 1945 when Japanese occupation was leaving. Mao declared independence from RoC, founding PRC in 1949 WITHOUT Taiwan. Japan officially surrendered Taiwan in its 1951 S.F. Treaty with U.S. ( NOT with PRC ) without naming a custodian. You are the one being fed false history since you were a baby. 1911 to 1949 were the years when mainland was part of RoC. Now, name the dates when Taiwan was part of PRC.
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If China invades, and we successfully fend off China, future children of Taiwan wins. That's what ultimately matters. That our civil liberties are preserved for future children of Taiwan so they can live free.
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@norm9069 In 2020, Apple demanded Taiwan’s supplier to have at least 1/3 of its production moved to India. Apple’s newest phone is being made in India this year. China’s role can be replaced. Easily.
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@JasonTaylor-po5xc Special economic zones are meaningless when CCP can just revoke any rule any time without notice. Exhibit A: Hong Kong.
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@Ateshtesh - Republic of China ≠ People's Republic of China - President of RoC is Tsai Ing Wen. President of Taiwan is Tsai Ing Wen. Tsai Ing Wen has only one job. Not two. - If RoC is China, then start calling Tsai Ing Wen president of China.
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@user-nz8cc6lb4w Taiwan has never been part of PRC in the history of planet Earth. What China is doing, would be like after patriots overthrew British government in North America mainland and took the territory, declared founding of United States of Britain, and claim itself the legal inheritor of British Empire, and all former British Empire's territory belong to U.S. of B, including Singapore, India, and Britain itself. It's just dumb. By CCP's logic, Greece should start claiming every territory Alexander the Great conquered, and Mongol should start claiming every territory Genghis Khan conquered, including mainland China. History moves forward, not backwards.
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@norm9069 How was China doing before Taiwan moved its manufacturing tech into China to earn U.S. dollars? See, Taiwan had this idea that if China and Taiwan have close economic ties, it would make Straits War unfavorable for China. That didn’t turn out as expected. We learnt it the hard way. So, we are out. If you think it was CCP that built China. Wait till decoupling is complete. You will see.
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@liaozong4071 中國只是人多，所以10%的人過得好，一眼看過去就有半個美國過得好。中國前幾年已經停止公佈全國失業率，只公佈“城都”失業率。怎麼回事？
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@charliezhang8762 LOL. It is meaningless for Taiwanese, Taiwan's leaders, Chinese, U.S. government to think or say if they prefer peace or war. Let's just assume ALL Taiwanese want a Straits War, and elect only leaders who want the same. While also being encouraged by U.S. But Xi Jingping refuse to make a move. Will there be war? Nope. Now, let's assume all Chinese citizens, and all people on planet Earth do not want to see a Straits War, but Xi PingPing A ding believes he has to start one. Will there be a war? Yes. Chinese can't elect a leader who doesn't want war. So, the CHOICE to start a war lies on only one person. It has jack to do with anyone else other than that person.
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@codeagent47 If Taiwanese aren't going to defend our way of life, what is China waiting for? Just take Taiwan. If there isn't going to be any resistance, what's stopping China?
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@codeagent47 RoC is China? Then I guess Tsai Ing-Wen is now president of China?
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@wm4934 NATO is for European and USSR/Russia affairs. So if USSR/Russia attacks one member, all respond. It has nothing to with China. Indo Pacific has its own joint military exercises, but nothing like NATO. So far there's only agreement between U.S. and Japan. So if U.S. troops were attacked in South Seas or Pacific region, it is equivalent to Japan being attacked and Japan has to respond militarily, and if Japan is attacked, it's equivalent to U.S. troops in Asia being attacked, and U.S. has to respond militarily. Something like NATO for Asia-Pacific will eventually happen due to threats from China. So something like if China attacks Australia, then, India, Japan, U.S, Taiwan, all have to respond. Also, RoC's civil war ended in 1949. It's either RoC's civil war ended with Mao successfully splitting RoC into PRC and RoC, or RoC's civil war hasn't end so PRC is still illegitimate. Pick one.
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@PlaYer-sn5or 台灣何時是PRC的領土？有年份嗎？
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@崔莱 Civil power to restrict government's power.
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@崔莱 That's vague? - My government can't tell me how many kids I can or can not have. - My government doesn't get to tell me what books I can or can not read. - My government doesn't get to tell me how I should think and what I can't say. - My government can't ban me from playing Animal Crossing because some HKer kids made some stuff that my government doesn't want me to see. - When we demand truth of problems, they need to give us the truth. - No Taiwanese need to go to a foreign media crying for help because their loved ones had been kidnapped by their government for no reason. - I am never worried that my government can just accuse me of some crime I didn't commit and rob my assets.
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@崔莱 If our legislators pass laws we do not approve of, they don't get to be our legislators when their service term ends. And newly elected ones will revoke those laws. How do you suppose KMT kept losing seats in our Legislative Council?
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@崔莱 You have never heard of people getting their assets taken away? Landlord purge? Whiteny Duan? Why did money in HK fled to Singapore and UK when China impose its authoritarian ways on HK? Why didn't those money out of HK went to Shanghai?
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@崔莱 This is the thing about civl rights, you don't know you need it until the day you need it but it sin't there, it is then you realize never had it. Parents of Tiananmen students also went through their entire life thinking China is fine and dandy, until the day they found out it's not. Or, as Taiwanese put it, freedom is like air, you never feel its presence until you can hardly breath.
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@崔莱 I'll make it simple for you. It's very easy for any Taiwanese to become Chinese. All we have to do is ask. Now, of ALL Taiwan's public figures who says China is great and Taiwan sucks, how many of them actually gave up Taiwan's citizenship for China's? ZERO. Why? They know when shet hits the fan, they can run back to Taiwan where there is civil rights.
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@supersignet LOL. "Taiwan is already an economic vassal of China."? Is that why Taiwan halted chips to Huawei? Taiwan did developed China. There used to be a sentiment that if China and Taiwan have strong economic ties, it would make cross strait war unfavorable. However, Taiwan learnt the hard way that CCP will weaponize economic relationships. So, that's over. We are moving out.
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@crunchez6949 Recently I have been thinking about getting Switch Lite as my Switch is a bit of a hassle to lug around. Also thinking about placing more assets in S&P500. And selling my Leica X1 and get a X2 so I can shoot with viewfinder.
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@JasonTaylor-po5xc For any trade agreements to be secured, or any assets gained from trade benefits to be secured, one thing needs to happen first: NO ENTITY IS ABOVE THE LAW. That's never gonna happen in CCP-ruled China.
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@daddydan2087 For any propaganda to work, there needs to be one condition: that any narrative against that propaganda is silenced. The west does not have that condition. China does.
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@codeagent47 Which poll? What was the question asked? Who did the the poll ask? What organization conducted the poll? Women and old people who don't want to take up arms ≠ they don't feel their husbands and sons should be defending Taiwan.
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@codeagent47 RoC's president is Tsai Ing-Wen. Taiwan's president is Tsai Ing-Wen. She has one job. Not two. What does that tell you? RoC's constitution also does not recognize legitimacy of Mao's PRC. Does that make PRC not a country? Obviously, RoC's constitution is so outdated it is still pre-1949 and needs to be updated to reflect reality. RoC's constitution does not see Taiwan as a country because it has the entire mainland China as its country. So, if you can convince CCP to dissolve itself and let RoC reclaim mainland, then yes, under such scenario, Taiwan is just an offshore island of RoC. Even under that impossible scenario, Taiwan is still not a part of PRC.
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@codeagent47 Taiwan does not have a "Taiwan's constitution based off RoC". It is just RoC's constitution. RoC seeked refuge in Taiwan in the 40s, and Taiwan became a home for RoC. It's an accidental state as an outcome of historical events.
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@codeagent47 You are getting it backwards. It is acknowledging CCP as legitimate government of mainland that would be considered treason under Jiang's RoC's constitution. Nowhere in RoC's constitution does it say Taiwan is part of PRC. It's the opposite. It states RoC's mainland territory is under seiged by commie bandits, that CCP is a gang of thugs, not a illegitimate government and PRC is illegitimate country. Yes, Tsai is not adhering to RoC's constitution as she speaks in a manner which recognizes PRC as a legitimate country and not part of RoC's territory. But like I said, RoC's constitution is outdated.
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@codeagent47 Taiwan was not part of RoC prior to civil war. China's civil war started 1927. Taiwan was under Japanese occupation during that time. Japanese government started leaving around 1945, and officially surrendered Taiwan in its 1951's treaty with U.S.
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@codeagent47 Okay, you go and tell Xi Jingling to start addressing Tsai Ing-Wen as president of China. And tell international press to start calling her as President of China. We are in a world where people of China can't elect their own president but people of Taiwan get to elect president of China for them. That's the reality, yes? This is what happens when you insist on a lie. Nothing makes sense.
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@PlaYer-sn5or There is no such thing as "re"unification, since Taiwan has never been part of PRC in the history of planet Earth. If China wants to invade, fine, invade, do what you want, but call it what is is, stop being a coward trying to justify an action that is unhljustifyiable. I am going to repeat it again. We don't care about "reunification vs independence", that is a non-issue, we are concerned with only one thing, that our civil rights will be preserved for future children of Taiwan. It doesn't matter if it's KMT or DPP, or U.S., or Japan, or China, or aliens from Mars attempting to take that away, we will fight back. It is not a choice. It is our responsibility.
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@PlaYer-sn5or So what's stopping China then? China has 320+ ships to cross the straits. It's 5 lhrs to 8hrs depending on routes PLA take. Taiwan has 6,000+ missiles ready to rain on those ships. Sunk ships can't be replaced in a day. That's what's stopping China. So obviously, China can be stopped.
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@PlaYer-sn5or Again, there is no such thing as "reunification" since Taiwan has never been part of PRC. China hasn't moved because it is way less costly and far less risky to just buy politicians and medias to change Taiwan's landscape. It's still not going to work though.
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@codeagent47 She is not interested in winning the hearts of Chinese. We are not interested in mainland China. It was you who had to insist she is president of China or your lies fall apart. Not me. Not her. To me, to her, she is president of Taiwan, which has nothing to do with China.
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@tomciao4016 Which war?
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@codeagent47 Good grief. How many times do I have to explain it. RoC's constitution does not recognize PRC as legitimate country either. RoC's constitution does not recognize CCP as legitimate government of China either. So, "Taiwan is just a territory of RoC" according to RoC's constitution if and ONLY IF you share Jiang Kai Shek's sentiment that PRC is illegitimate and CCP is just a gang of murderous thugs that had entire RoC's mainland territory under siege. In short, the prerequisite for "Taiwan is just a part of RoC" is that Mao's PRC is NOT a legitimate country. So, if that prerequisite is not true, then what follows can't be true. Get it? If mainland is RoC's territory, then of course, Taiwan is just RoC's offshore island. But if PRC is a legitimate country, then Taiwan is RoC and RoC is Taiwan, because territories under Taiwan's control is all that's left of RoC. If you really, really want Taiwan to be just part of RoC, then tell CCP to handover mainland to RoC, and that would make "Taiwan is just part of RoC's territory" true. Taiwan been taken by PRC still won't make "Taiwan is just part of RoC's territory" true, would it?
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@codeagent47 Going to USSR for arms to start a war to wipeout RoC was the real treason. That was Mao. Not Tsai.
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@allenloe Taiwan was Japan’s territory between 1895 to 1952, officially. Practically, 1895 to 1945, as Japan left when it surrendered WWII. No one ever denied that. But are we still living in 1895 to 1945? No. It’s 2022, so Taiwan is no longer Japan’s. Taiwan became a home for RoC in exile around 1945. Taiwanese did try to kick out RoC, that was the independence movement which had nothing to do with PRC. Heck, Mao even supported Taiwan’s independence movement as that would help him kill off RoC. Over time, RoC and Taiwanese had worked things out. Now that RoC can be governed by Taiwanese for people of Taiwan, and Taiwanese are okay with making Taiwan a home for RoC, there is no need to establish Taiwan independently from RoC. RoC is Taiwan, Taiwan is RoC. All of which has nothing to do with PRC. Name me the years when Taiwan was PRC’s territory.
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Japan and U.S. have mutual security agreement. If China touches Japan, U.S. is obligated to respond militarily. If China touches U.S. bases in South Seas or Pacific, including ones in Okinawa, Japan is obligated to respond militarily. Simply, if China dare touch Okinawa, China has to face BOTH Japan and U.S.
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@thesaddestdude3575 China can't take Taiwan. China will fail if it tried. If China can, it won't wait even for a day. So we intend to make sure China can't.
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@Ateshtesh It's not that we know we can't invade China. We have ZERO INTERESTS in taking China. Majority of Taiwanese's grandpas and their grandpa's grandpas' were here long before KMT seek refuge in Taiwan. We have no sentimental attachment to China. Zero. Nada. Taiwan's early independence movement was to kick KMT's authoritarian RoC out of Taiwan, as we saw it as a *foreign* power just seeking refuge in Taiwan. Taiwanese and RoC had since resolved our differences. RoC is now a country governed by Taiwanese, for Taiwanese. And Taiwanese are okay with making Taiwan a home for RoC. But we have no interests in making China part of RoC. Only dude who wanted that was Jiang Kai Shek and he died long ago. In any case, my point was RoC is NOT China. Since Tsai Ing Wen is president of RoC, but no one is calling her president of China. RoC WAS China between 1911~1949, we are in year 2022, China means PRC.
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@Ateshtesh Nope. Nowhere in our constitution does it say Taiwan is part of PRC. RoC’s constitution does not recognize PRC as a country. It does not recognize CCP as legitimate government of China. In short, it is outdated and needs to be updated. Taiwan being taken over by PRC does NOT fit into RoC’s constitution either. PRC’s one China means the death of RoC, so why would Taiwan joining PRC be adhering to RoC’s constitution? Also, keep in mind when RoC was founded in 1911, Taiwan was not part of it. Taiwan was not involved in RoC’s civil war. Taiwan simply was a place of refuge for RoC around 1945. If RoC is still China, Mao’s PRC is illegitimate. If PRC is China then RoC can’t represent China. Pick one.
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@Ateshtesh I’ll repeat it again. X = RoC Y = Taiwan Z = China Tsai Ing Wen is president of X Tsai Ing Wen is president of Y Tsai Ing Wen is NOT president of Z Is X the same as Y or is X the same as Z?
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@Ateshtesh I will do another one. This is what happens when you insist RoC is China: - Xi Jingping can’t visit China - Tsai Ing Wen is elected president of China - China is an illegitimate country according to China’s constitution - Chinese government is a gang of thugs illegally holding China under siege according to China’s constitution - China’s foreign affairs claimed China had ceased to exist since 1949 - China demands China’s flag be banned in all international events - China demands China be called Chinese Taipei - China demands U.S. to halt all visits to China, because China can’t stop China from welcoming those visits. - China banned Pompeo who China welcomes, from entering China, which he just did. - China was part of China from 1911~1949, but China has never been part of China in human history.
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@Ateshtesh Xi Jingping should check the name on his passport. It is People’s REPUBLIC OF CHINA. Which means Tsai Ing Wen is his president. There is your logic again.
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@Ateshtesh Then go and tell CCP to dissolve itself and give mainland to Taiwan. That would make Taiwan an offshore island of RoC. Taiwan joining PRC does not make RoC to include mainland, does it? It just makes RoC into nothing.
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