Comments by "Perry Howell" (@user-ue4rd1mf1v) on "BBC News" channel.

  1. ​ akhtarmiah3958 your use of the word 'zionist'- the way Iran's leaders use it- tells us that you would never allow the state of Israel to exist in peace. It's people like you that have created the suffering of the Palestinians and now more or less defines them. Shame on you.
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  2. ​​ @happydays4302 wrong. You are misguided. The Palestinians have been done in by their own leadership, which was co opted by Soviet interests from the start. Both Israelis and Arabs (now calling themselves Palestinians) have been victimized by the creation of this situation at the hands of the Soviets. Palestinian people are now too generally radicalized for peace, while their leadership is purely jihadist and while it and regular people are being funded and indoctrinated for war by Iran. There is no morally equivalency, as appealing as it would be. And the Palestinian narrative and justification is just a ruse to keep a jihadist campaign going under the noses of the West. I wish I wasn't correct about this.
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  3. ​ @snow-uq4gx the 'westerners' offered a self determining state to BOTH palestinian Jews and palestinian Arabs. In 47. Something the Ottomans did not. Nor did Mohammads army that swept Arabs into there in the first place. The Arabs chose war, and have refused a state and/or chosen war every time since. Israel has offered the Palestinians a state 4 other times. Egypt and Jordan did not even try when the land was occupied by them. It's not Israel's fault. Period.
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  4. Sadly after decades of indoctrination there are are fewer and fewer people identifying as Palestinian who can be called 'regular people'. Their entire culture has come to be about the destruction of Israel. It wasn't always this way and had the world understood the truth about Soviet engagement and manipulation of their leadership it might not be the case today. It was once just the leaders and a small number of people amid a broader population that enjoyed good relations with Israelis, with whom they had free access and open borders. But the terrorists got their wish beginning with Arafat, and now it's a total snake pit. There's no way to make peace with such people and it will hurt them the most.
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  5. ​ @nohandler1493 thanks to their own leadership and the manipulation of the Soviets and Arab league, whove used them as footballs to further their interests. That's what has caused the suffering of the Palestinians.
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  6. ​ @mgigelli820 'the Palestinians" as they now call themselves have only been occupied by Israel since 67. Before that it was Egypt and Jordan. So wtf are you talking about? They would have nothing to do with Israel at all except that Israel took that land while defending itself from Egypt and Jordan. Btw their leadership isn't really too well liked in the Arab world either, Arafat and his men being turfed from Jordan in 72 after trying to assassinate king Hussein. You need to get out of your echo chamber. The Palestinian leadership is why the Palestinians suffer.. No other reason.
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  7.  @SandyWolf-  Israel has 2 million Arabs in its population- the only free Arabs in the mid East. There are also plenty of Christians and Druze. It's a jihadist issue driven from the start by the Soviet Union that is causing the problem, and they can not truly be reasoned with.
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  8. Give us a break will you? At least hold off a few hours until the news settles in you savage.
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  9. ​ @Thebluewidesky shoving elderly women with dementia into jeeps and dragging them back to Gaza to use as hostages or to join their own children as human shields. Documented by video. Start there.
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  10. ​ @Reticulated_Spline the Jews were there before that. Many Bedouin are Israeli citizens- with full democratic rights, joining the 2 million Israeli Arabs as the only free Arabs in the middle East. Had the Palestinian Arabs accepted the offer of a state as the Palestinian Jews did in 48 - or at any of the 4 times since they were offered one by Israel (noting that Jordan and Egypt never offered one when that land was occupied by them)-- Had they accepted theyd have one and would no longer be occupied. There would be Bedouin both in Israel and whatever the Arabs called their state. But they kept choosing no, and they keep choosing violence. And their leadership encourages it and always has.
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  11. ​ @snow-uq4gx most guns doesn't equal bullies. Guns are guns and bullies are bullies. If Israel didn't need to worry about bullies- ie Jihadists, they wouldn't have so many guns. But if you want to calculate who has the most guns, by all means. 750 million Arabs vs 7 million Israelis.
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  12. ​ @snow-uq4gx ???? The Arab nations have been backed by the Soviets all that time. They aren't hurting for weapons etc. And its the Arabs (under direction of the Soviets) who have started every war and who refused to accept Israel or negotiate with it. (The three 'no's' of Khartoum) Why are you so hateful? And why do you seem to be enjoying this?
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  13. ​ @happydays4302 I like your humanity and desire to see the best in people. Of course there are Palestinians who are available to make peace and Israelis who are not. But please- please- don't underestimate the sheer hate and malevolence embodied by the Palestinian leadership- After 67 when this became Israel's problem, the borders were wide open. There was free passage for work and play and a huge amount of good hearted interaction between Israelis and Arabs from former Jordan and Egypt.(now identifying as palestinians). Yasser Arafat was employed by the Soviet Union to break up the party. He and a then small group of followers ceaselessly employed suicide bombers and other means to disrupt the peace. His leadership included filling schools with antisemitic curricula similar to other Arab states, and generally urging it's population toward jihad. He had been kicked out of Jordan in 72 for the same behaviour after attempting to assassinate king Hussein. Israel finally had enough following the second antifada- an orchestrated violence campaign that killed 1000 Israelis even as he talked of peace and shook Rabins hand at Camp David. That is what led to the border closings and the Palestinians have been isolated and repressed by their own leadership since, while being whipped into a violent hatred, now for decades. Hamas came to power due to Arafats percieved corruption (he ciphered a billion into his accounts while palestinians went without basic services) You have to feel for the Palestinian people who were left with so few choices. Hamas literally has in its charter the aim of violently and completely destroying Israel and building an Islamist state on its rubble. Please. I used to feel the same way, that there was a moral equivalency and people all just want the best for themselves. Jihadists are not like that at all. Please do not underestimate the malevolence and sheer dishonesty that has been at the helm of the Palestinians for 50 years, nor its effect on its hapless victim populace over all that time. The problem is way worse than I suspect you think, I'm very unhappy to tell you. Happy Thanksgiving, and very best to you. (Read "Russian footprints" by defected Soviet General Ion Mihai Pacepa. He had a hands on relationship with Arafat for this purpose)
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  14.  @kittywampusdrums  but only one side is waging it. If the Arabs had accepted the state they were offered in 47 instead of launching a war there would have been peace. If the Palestinian leadership had accepted the state Israel offered them 4 times since there would be peace. If the Palestinians put down their weapons there would be peace.(the borders were wide open from 67 onward, until violence instigated by Palestinian leadership caused Israel to close them and build a wall. ) But if Israel puts down its weapons every Israeli would be massacred and the state completely destroyed. As Hamas states as its objective IN ITS CHARTER. Only one side has been waging this war, but peace requires both.
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  15. The BBC- reporting faithfully about the horror of the holocaust while doing everything in its power to bring about another one.
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  16. Poor girl.
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  17. BBC you have forever obscured the nature of this conflict with your reporting. This is war of Islamist Jihad and always has been. Your failure to call it out and give a true account has contributed to the information war the Palestinian leadership with its Soviet bosses have dominated from the very start. As a result the Jihadists directing the show have been emboldened and deeply entrenched due to failure of western populations to grasp whats really been going on all this time. You have enabled this. Given Britains experiences with Jihadists and terrorism and frankly going back to Barbary coast piracy youd think the BBC would make a bloody effort to get this right. As a result of your determined resistence to properly calling this out, and thereby abbeting the false narratives that make up the information war of Jihadists for decades, there is blood on your hands. Disgusting.
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  18. Israel told them they'd turn the water and electricity back on if Hamas released the hostages. Once again Hamas shows us how much more it cares about brutalizing Israel than about caring for its own citizens. But, why should they change,, when supposedly trustworthy broadcasters and journalists like the BBC refuse to tell people the truth and constantly let them get away with it?
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  19. If only bbc would cover israel with such moral clarity and factual accuracy. If only they could recognize the common link between these situations. Rather then doing their best to start the next holocaust.
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  20. Read "Russian footprints", in 'the national review'. It's seven pages long and written by a defected Soviet General who was directly involved in the decades long Soviet campaign to destroy peace between the Arabs and Israelis, to serve their own interests. They groomed and installed Yassir Arafat in 1964 for the job. Right from the horse's mouth. The borders between Israel, Gaza and Judea/west bank were wide open after 67. People moved freely, and Israelis and Palestinians (still calling themselves Arabs then) interacted and got along very well. The borders were open for 30 years, until Arafat finally won- another wave of violence stoked by him killed 1000 Israelis and Israel finally said enough is enough. It used to be that palestinians were like everybody else, they just had a murderous jihadist leader. A leader who was imposed on them. But that leader had a plan created by those who installed him for the purpose. And they succeeded, to the detriment and terrible bloodshed of both Israelis and Palestinians. He died a very rich man. Please read the article. Based on your post, I think you'll be interested in it. Take care
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  21. BBC you are an embarassment. Britain has had its own issues with terrorism. Youd think BBC would take that into account when it tells a story. But even after 1000 israeli civilians were murderered in their homes, by people up close, hands on. Many of them dying cruelly. Babies found decapitated. And still even at this time, you still cant rip yourself away not even for a minute from your 'sympathy for palestinian' 'pro palestine' agenda. It doesnt seem to matter to you that the enemy of both Israelis and Palestinians is the Islamist Jihadis running the show and destroying both of their lives. I dont think youre willing to face it, even though thats whats needed to help palestinians. You turn out to hate Israel more than you care about Palestinians. And so you continue to try to weaken it and destroy its legitimacy. Emboldening the jihadists who abuse the sympathy you generate, and the animosity for israel you create, you aid in creating the misery felt by human beings on both sides. How could you do this now though. Have you no humanity at all? For enabling the confidence of the Jihadists ruining the lives of both Isrselis and palestinians, you BBC have blood on your hands. I sort of hope that one day the people responsible for your editing and producing will find themselves in need of protection from the sort of people theyve enabled. I hope they get to see it up close with their own lives on the line. And that their survival depends on the way theyve chosen to treat this up until now. Just disgusting. No words for it.
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  22. ​ akhtarmiah3958 Palestinians and Arab neighbors are responsible for the occupation. Jordan and Egypt didn't create a palestinian state when they occupied Gaza and Judea and nobody cared. Israel has this land because it won it in a defensive war. You can't blame it for that. And the Palestinian leadership- manipulated and trained by Russia- has stoked extremism and violence since Arafat attempted to assassinate king Hussein of Jordan in 1972- all the while saying no to a palestinian state over and over again. It's not Israels fault. At all. They're just stuck with it while Iran, the Arab League and western apologists such as yourself enable their jihadist leadership to twist their population further and further into mass hatred.
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  23. ​ @idontreadbooks2580 the natives are the Jews. The Arabs now calling themselves Palestinians arrived by conquest after the original Israel was destroyed. The Arabs are the colonizers of that land. Arabs are from Arabia. Jews are from Judea.(what colonizers call the west bank. It's hard to argue Jews don't belong in Judea..)
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  24. ​ @agnelomascarenhas8990 .....but have refused every offer since 47, often violently. They have been totally manipulated and used as footballs from the start by the Soviet Union and its Arab League proxies to drive a wedge into the west. Read "Russian footprints" in 'the national review' by defected Soviet General Ion Mihai Pacepa to get a taste. The animus of the Palestinians and the situation they find themselves in really has little to do with Israel itself, except as scapegoat and co victim of the Soviet manipulation.
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  25. ​ @MuhammadBilal-ty7tb you can't blame Israel for it so nobody cares..
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  26. ​ blaze7726 Palestinian leadership are jihadists that have been manipulated by the Soviets (and now Iran) from the start. The 'regular people' are now generalized extremists with outrageous expectations after decades of indoctrination by these 'leaders' and amid isolation which came as a result of brutal unnecessary violence decades ago at the urging of those same jihadist 'leaders'. There's no one left to make peace with.
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  27. ​ @agnelomascarenhas8990 that's what it's always been. The cries of resistence to an occupation are totally hollow. Adherents to Arafat launched rockets into Israel before there ever was an Israeli occupation. (They also charmingly attempted to assassinate king Hussein of Jordan, who kicked them out. Their landing in Lebanon was the precursor to Hizbollah) They will never stop and their 'justifications' are just a ploy to get people to pile up on Israel and to hide what they really are- pure jihadist murderers who have no real goal except to murder and disrupt. The only 'peace' they will ever know is total repression ie by an Islamist state, like the one their charter literally states they want to build on the rubble of Israel. Shit like this makes me feel like Israel should have long ago quit playing nice and just burn Gaza and the West Bank to the ground. It will never end while these people live. So I don't know what can be done. It's tragic and totally unnecessary. Remember that from 67 onward the borders with Israel were wide open. None of this needed to happen.
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  28. ​ @SandyWolf- read "Russian footprints" in ' the national review'- by defected Soviet General Ion Mihai Pacepa. Prepare to have your mind blown.
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  29. ​ @ImamHasan-qp5uq the Palestinian leadership would kill every Jew and destroy the state of Israel completely if it could.
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  30. ​ @OmegaFares as they should. And you either know why and are hateful or are terribly misnformed.
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  31. ​ @Jad490 idiot. 'the brits' offered both Arabs and Jews a state. Jordan was created by 'the brits' too. Do you have a problem with Jordan? And Lebanon, which was 'created by' the French. Do you have a problem with that too? If palestinian Arabs accepted a state as the palestinian Jews did, would you consider it legitimate? But the Jewish state isn't??? Israel offered them a state of their own 4 times since. Jordan and Egypt never did while occupying them until 67. The answer has always been no accompanied by violence. Don't reward the Arabs for starting wars rather than accepting peace, Palestinian Arabs or otherwise. By the way another group of palestians exist, the Arab Israelis who make up 1/5 the population. The only free Arabs in the mideast. Are they not entitled to the freedom Israel offers them? you want to deligitimize (destroy) Israel and take the freedom away from the only Arabs who have it?
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  32. ​ @Tamarlane389 other way around. And you can blame their leadership, pure jihadists, and the Soviet Union who stoked this hatred for its own interests, for that.
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  33. ​ @Tamarlane389 Egypt has a border with Gaza, and its blockaded too, for the same reason. There is no Israeli presence in Gaza, they pulled out completely over a decade ago. The occupation in Gaza is by Hamas. If you actually gave a shit about Palestinians you'd know that.
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  34. ​ @Tamarlane389 other way around. If they didn't have jihadists as leaders and had they said yes to the state they've repeatedly been offered they would not be occupied. (Gazans are not occupied even now, except by their own leadership)
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  35. ​​ @Tamarlane389 have you actually read the Balfour declaration or is this just what you hear people say? If the Arab world weren't bristling with jihadists and driven and manipulated by the Soviet Union the British partition would have taken and worked just fine, as imperfect as it was (giving so much of what was promised to the Jews to Jordan, for instance). It is Jihadist and pan Arabic sentiment stoked for decades by the Soviet Union for its own political purposes that made this situation impossible. And as Ayaan Hirsi Ali said about 9/11, it was always going to happen regardless of US policy. It doesn't matter what Israel does- it never did. That excuse is just a ruse jihadists use to manipulate the public into sympathy they don't deserve.
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  36. ​ @Tamarlane389 read 'russian footprints' by defected Soviet General Ion Mihai Pacepa, in 'the national review'. Pacepa had a personal relationship with Arafat and a primary role in Soviet campaigns to stoke jihadist sentiment and turn the entire middle East against Israel and the US. He writes about some of it in that article. Take care.
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  37.  @happydays4302  the usual media and political response to Israel typically is a backhanded compliment, insult by omission or implied equivalency, coupled with an absolute lack of awareness of context. The fact that most people feel there is a moral equivalency between the two, and worse- that Israel is a colonial state, an 'aparthied state' and that it actually deserves this- that's the constant argument from people which suggests the media has not been successful at conveying the truths of the matter. I certainly never heard any politician or media outlet suggesting Israel does no wrong- mostly I hear or understand the opposite -in ways direct or veiled. I agree with you that the cost of the animosity has been huge (though very small and tame compared to the brutality and scale of myriad other conflicts around even now- Isis activity anywhere it still exists (read about the yazidi genocide and the rape and sale of its women and girls in markets, North Iraq) Assad's murder of millions of his own people, many by gas, just a few hundred km away in Syria. 5 Million killed in DRC. Widespread butchering of civilians in Yemen by Iranian backed Houthis. Massive sectarian brutality and casualties happen throughout the mideast- Murder of 100k Christians per year in the mid East and Africa. Boko Haram in Nigeria, Al Shabab in Somalia, etc etc etc - throw a dart. All of these are far far bigger in scope and brutality than any war or action Israel has ever been a part of. The bizarre hyperfocus on Israel is another aspect of it's unfair treatment at the hands of the media - not just the defacto apology offered to the jihadist extremists who drive this conflict forward as with most of the other conflicts I mentioned. Check out two things that might help: A speech by Mosab Hassan Youssef before the UN. (On unwatch.org) he's the son of Hamas founder and he tore a strip off dictators who enable people like his father to create chaos and destroy the lives of both Palestinians and Israelis. (It's 2 mins long) And check out reports and interviews by the Generals of the High Level Military Group, about their analysis of the last Gaza conflict. Like you I wish for peace for all. For the well being of the Palestinians as much as the Israelis, it's important for people to understand the true nature of this conflict, and that can't be casually found in almost any mainstream media. Take good care.
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  38.  @Reticulated_Spline  in some sense all of these people are indigenous to the land. Bedouin were nomadic and did not 'own' land. Had the Arabs accepted the state they were offered some of the Bedouin would live there just as they do in both Israel and other Arab nations today. Israel didn't start the war that displaced Arabs, the Arabs did. So put the blame where it belongs if you're so intertested in blaming. Had the Arabs accepted their state instead of declaring war the existing Bedouin could have lived in either place. How can you blame Israel for not simply allowing itself to be destroyed when attacked? And why are you blaming Israel for the Arabs decision not to accept their state when it was offered to them, as the Jews did? Pfft.
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  39.  @healthymindhealthybody9692  instead of commiting itself to plotting Israel's demise, the Arab leadership could have invested itself in a state at any point and none of this would happen. This is what jihadists do however. Israel has nothing to do with it. And it will never stop. Never.
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  40.  @ItsMe-yv9jd  only one is a country. And what the hell is wrong with you.
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  41.  @snow-uq4gx  there was no 'Palestine'. There has never been. Nobody forced anyone anywhere. Listen if you want to hate just go ahead and do it. Be strong enough not to hide behind bullshit and use it as an excuse.
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  42.  @snow-uq4gx  facts? Let us know when you've learned how to recognize them.
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  43.  @NoobNoob1986  lol. The son of Hamas' own founder calls it a terrorist group. Mosab Hassan Youssef. A truly brave man. look him up.
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  44.  @mshaban9566  'lol'. Isis troll.
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  45.  @Tamarlane389  you've got it backward. The borders with Israel were wide open after 67, before which Gaza was occupied by Egypt. They were finally closed after a massive wave of violence killed 1000 people. It was Arafats doing. But the regular Palestinians were the ones to suffer. Now there really aren't many 'regular' palestinians left. They have been raised on pure hate for generations. Not like before. And as for the blockade, Hamas has committed to violent destruction of Israel knows in it's CHARTER. Look what they managed to do despite the blockade. If you were Israel what would YOU do? And why don't you mention Egypt, who also blockades Gaza? Egypt by the way could have taken its people back after the war in 67, but it would not. (Nor did it make them a state) And when it destroys Gazan terror tunnels, it does it Arab style- they flood them with sewage. This is a crisis of the Arabs own making. Israel is just a scapegoat. If you want to solve the problem and actually help palestinians you'll have to wake up to that.
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  46.  @SandyWolf-  there's been a shooting, ramming or stabbing of Israelis every single day for months and months now. Most media ignores it. This is the true face of the Palestinian leadership- remember black September in Munich, the endless stream of airplane hijackings of the 70s and 80s, the needless Antifada that killed 1000 Israelis and closed the door on Oslo(Arafat was never going to say yes. The plan always was to offer peace and recognition and then pull the plug. Literally that was the plan) This was never going to go any other way. And it's truly unnecessary. A total waste. Read "Russian Footprints" by defected Soviet General Ion Mihai Pacepa. In 'the national review'. The Palestinians have always been a tool of the Soviets in a war against the West. They began that way. It's terrible..
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  47.  @tejashwiyadav906  please. Give us a break.
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  48.  @Nadstar1969  I think that means you're too ordinary by your own definition. If you actually want to help the Palestinians, find out what's really happened. The current 'pro palestinian' narrative is a strictly a manipulation created by the people who pulled the strings on the Palestinian leadership to begin with to further their own interests. It only aggravates the situation and does both Israelis and Palestinians literal harm. From the horse's mouth: Start with 'russian footprints', by defected Soviet General Ion Mihai Pacepa, available in 'the national review'. It's only seven pages and based on your post it will shock you. And go from there. That's in case you actually do want to help the Palestinians. (As it happens you end up helping both, meaning you can honourably drop your hatred or animus toward Israel while laying a foundation for the understanding of real peace)
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  49.  @kittywampusdrums  most Israelis are secular and a fifth are Arabs. Even Orthodox Israelis don't want anything more than the state of Israel as it is. You are right about the local Arabs however. It once wasn't true- before being whipped into a hateful jihadist frenzy by their 'leadership' it used to be a relatively small number of crazies and their leadership causing the whole problem. After decades now of being isolated and raised on hate, lies and a constant cycle of violence, thats no longer true and you are mostly correct about them.
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  50.  @pajeetkumar1645  wow even for an Israel hate flunky you're inept. The raid had nothing to do with the occupied territories. It wasn't carried out there. And Gaza is not occupied. Israel left completely more than a decade ago. Islamist Jihadists are really what the problem is and that's really who Israel has been dealing with. They have been the leadership of the Palestinians from the beginning. (Since they began calling themselves Palestinians instead of Arabs. That was created by Arafat for effect, part of the overall plan contrived by the Soviets.) You side with islamist Jihadists then?
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