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That's not what happened. Remember that the original plan was for two states and that it failed because the Arab nations decided to attack Israel, and they lost. Remember that the Palestinians were offered a state with 94%of the land they wanted plus Jerusalem as a shared capital, but Arafat not only refused but started the 2nd Antifada. Which is why the borders are now closed. Israel didn't take anything at the expense of anyone, except as the result of defensive wars. You can't blame them, as hard as you're trying.
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@patrickbuchler686 because ignoring all the other things mentioned except for cherry picked 'human rights' group reports is an unbiased way to form an opinion right? NGOs are far from corruption free. Far from apolitical. What makes you think otherwise? Much has been documented about that, why not look closer? Anyway I'm out. I'm so exhausted from this, it's endless. Good luck. I hope you overcome your selective outrage one day.
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"The first Jews came to Palestine". Jews never left, some have always been there.
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@hanazawarui-jb9ic so you didn't watch the video then. Just glossed right past it to copy and paste your hatred in one more spot before moving on. 'human rights' eh?
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@patrickbuchler686 you've been totally outclassed in that discussion and are too stubborn to recognize it and change. Ok then, you hang on to your needless hatred and resentment. Enjoy it.
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Arafat never said yes and never intended to. He was groomed and installed by the Soviets to do their bidding and he remained a Russian asset until the end. The plan was always for him to talk peace and statehood in English and then to keep saying 'no' when he got up to the plate. He never stopped talking about Jihad and the destruction of Israel when speaking Arabic. He died with a billion dollars of the Palestinians aid money in his accounts and a Nobel prize for peace. He's still considered a hero by the Palestinians who grow up awash in propeganda and hate. No single person has done more to destroy the peace between Arabs and Jews in the last century.
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Well it's not irrelevant either. One of the other things Palestinian leadership thinks is sinful and a crime against Allah is for Jews to live and for Israel to exist. It's in the charter of Hamas and of the original PLO in 1964. (Only changed in words to please western eyes. It never really changed.) Also Hizbollah, the Islamic state of Iran and almost every Islamist Jihadi group. It very much defines the actual reasons for the conflict in fact.
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@battletrick the Geneva convention applies during times of war. I'm not sure it applies here. Either way, Jordan moved into the West bank and took it from Israel in 48, in a move considered to be an illegal occupation by the int'll community. During that time it kicked out the Jews who were there and filled it with Arabs, now calling themselves Palestinians no matter where they originated. The settlements are tiny by comparison and Arabs haven't been expelled en mass as had been the Jews of the area previously. Israel's action since 67 is far less invasive than Jordans had been, whatever the legalities of the situation claim about it then and now.
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Exactly what I was thinking. Up until a few years ago that thing would have been stomped a few seconds after its gutless display at any school anywhere. Wtf has happened to the west.
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@keithiverson2644 a large scale genetic test was conducted.
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Are there no guys in that school who could return the favour on that girls behalf?
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She probably does have enough experience with cultural indoctrination against Jews and Israel that are rampant throughout the mid East. And not totally absent inside Israel either.
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@patrickbuchler686 whatever it is then that leads you to fixate and judge out of hand along an abnormally harsh and arbitrary standard from the comfort and safety of your safe and unthreatened home.
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???
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Spread the word, please. The jihadists surrounding you are supported by vast numbers of misguided westerners and its not clear your home can survive over the long haul. Please find a way to bring voices like yours to the west. I can't overstate how bad the situation has become. Thanks for your words and honesty.
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@nigel.w they're not divided right now, I assure you.
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Why people dont listen to Aayan Hirsi Ali and those like her is mind boggling to me. Whatever happens, shes done her part to help. Shes a global treasure.
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Lol!!
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@markaxworthy2508 so then by what authority would you acknowledge the legitimacy of any Arab state made there? Or do you now acknowledge the legitimacy of Jordan? Let alone Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etc? And if you don't, why is it I only ever see you picking on Israel?
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@markaxworthy2508 that is not so. None of it. And it doesn't explain Jordan at all, but leaves it out entirely. And it doesn't explain why you have such a bone to pick only with Israel. I can see that you're reaching- you're bending facts left and right to try to produce a motivation . But even still it makes no sense. The land the Jewish Palestinians got was mostly garbage. They took it anyway. They let Arabs stay to boot. Which is why Israel's population is 20% Arab. (How many Jews in the PA??) Had the Arabs who remained after the creation of Jordan just accepted their land and gotten on with it all would be ok. They endlessly refuse to do that. (The Soviets are to thank for that as it happens. They groomed and installed Arafat to do their bidding, and he did. He destroyed the Palestinians in keeping with the Soviet/Arab League aim to weaponize them and use them as a tool to destroy Israel, increase their influence in the mid east and to destroy the west..THATS what happened to BOTH Israelis and Palestinians. To fail to recognize that is to doom the future, and not just for both of them)
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paperplane-db8qf ???? Israel pulled out of Gaza in 05. They forcibly cleared Israeli villages, some of which had been there hundreds of years. There was not a single soldier or civilian there. You can look for video of the action if you wanted to. It was a mini Palestinian state, a part of a state they were offered by israel 4 times previously and turned down. Whats wrong with you that you refuse to believe what's right in front of you?
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@notloki3377 look in the mirror.
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@patrickbuchler686 good. There isn't.
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@jasonwiley798 so what do you disagree with?
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@casebased8391 the Arabs were given the same opportunity. Niether the Arabs or the Jews had self determination under the Ottomans. The British offer to Palestinian Arabs was the first freedom the Arabs would have known. They chose war instead and then lost. Rinse repeat, Rinse repeat etc
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@patrickbuchler686 no different in Israel, big it. Compare that to any of the surrounding states you have no problem with. Authoritarian dictatorships. Except for ruling family no other Muslims can be president. Let alone Jews, which there are none due to the fact they'd be torn to pieces just for being there. You say no taxation without representation but have no trouble with any of those dictatorships, just with the only democracy in the region. Of course. You also willfully ignore Israel's very real demographic challenge and pass it off dismissively, as there are only 7 million Jews there, and only 15 mil in the world. You pick on a specific imperfection that results from a demographic necessity and then judge the entire democracy a failure. Again while ignoring that it's the only democracy in the entire region AND the only country in the mid East where Arabs are truly free. Israel is 20% Arab and a democracy to boot. Still you can't keep from making smug, superior judgements upon it and willfully ignoring both the necessity of the constraints you pick on AND the remarkable nature of what they've achieved there in spite of all if it. You are a hateful big it, pretending you are not.
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Lol. What world are you living in.
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@ricardomurillo5205 lol. Sure thing. So forgetting that snake pit, your solution now is what-support the Mullahs that are torturing their own people, destabilizing the entire region and threatening to wipe a neighbor off the map? Who sides with communist China and Russia in a power block designed to rewrite the world order to shape itself in the dictatorships image? This is a good idea to you?
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Both the resident Arabs and the incoming Jews would have had their own state to live in had the Arabs accepted the deal. They didn't, and they lost the war they started. On what basis do they deserve recompense or sympathy?
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@delnavaznirvana9404 nationalize Iranian oil or steal American and UK funded oil development in Iran? These are two different things. Also they were way better off with the Shah. Ask any Iranian alive before the revolution what they think of it, how much worse their lives have become. Now they're stuck with it because the regime is so brutal. It's horrible. If any country calls for regime change, Iran is it.
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Throw people out of their homes and steal their land eh? Go back to Al Jazeera, you're going to miss the next big outrage.
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Boooorrrringgg. Take your groupthink outrage elsewhere.
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It didn't stop them from anything. The Ayatollahs can't be trusted at all.
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At an uncivilized and unsensible time, for a sensible and civilized reason. Never to be repeated.
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Not when they explicitly threaten to use it, and when they already have a track record of militant disruption and destabilization (see their effect on Lebanon for example). Then the bomb ensures no measure can be taken to rein them in.
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Iran is the reason Israel and the Palestinians are at loggerheads, not the other way around. It began with the Soviets, who used Arafat, their asset, to create chaos. The Palestinian people were mere footballs for Arafat and the Arab league. Israel has been stuck with a problem created by the Soviets to drive a wedge into the West. They have succeeded, your post is proof of that. The Palestinians have been hung out to dry by their own from the beginning, and everyone is worse off for it.
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This guy is a powerhouse, the way his grandfather must have been.
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I've had many wonderful Persian friends. I'm sorry for the situation in your country. That government uses its money to destroy others. Look at Lebanon. It is terrible that sanctions hurt the people but the government doesn't care enough about its people to behave responsibly such that sanctions can be lifted.
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@AAWT BANG ON!! X100000
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@tasinal-hassan8268 when Iran suffered a terrible earthquake in 53 Israel was there for its people. There is no necessary animosity between Israelis and Persians. No Persian I know is happy for the outcome of that revolution. Iranians themselves are the biggest sufferers of that government.
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Thank you SO much for this.
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Go Katie! So glad youve overcome.
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@milesbredon9355 no it doesn't. Knock it off.
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@milesbredon9355 you are the person who made that assertion, not him. The Arabs only arrived after the conquests of Mohammad. Why do you stand by the results of their conquest, and then get your panties in a bunch over Israel's win in a defensive war?
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You'd be prickly too if people were trying to kill you and blame you all day, every day. Look in the mirror- you're the problem.
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Fun fact: you're full of shit and you like it.
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Both reasons are true. they have no desire to do it but he's also correct about the likely outcome.
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You need to be reminded who your friends really are. Don't worry, the Islamists will remind you.
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@MrRedeyedJedi Israel is a first world democracy whose 20% Arabs are truly free. It's not the same at all.
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@ROM-ry9ij deviation from status quo isn't 'growth'.
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@ROM-ry9ij it's not necessarily so. Is what I meant
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@ROM-ry9ij change in and of itself isn't good, it's stressful and humans aren't well suited to it. Even beneficial change is only beneficial if it's gradual. Change for its own sake is strictly negative and damaging. For change to be beneficial the end goal must be known to be net positive and it's graduation carefully implemented. One of the biggest problems humans face is the rapid pace of aggregation of technology the last 200 years. We are not well suited to it and the cracks are showing
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@ROM-ry9ij we are headed in a bad direction. The west is crumbling and it is THE purveyor of freedom and humanity on earth. A world without the democratic west will be a very bleak place
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After decades of indoctrination, repression and miserable conditions, too often it's unfortunately become the case. That's who he's trying to talk to.
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@Nostalgiagate6392 nope. Egypt and Syria were massing troops and equipment at the border. Egypt them blockaded the straits of Tiran, which is an act of war. Israel's suprise attack followed. It always amazes me how willingly the hate Israel crowd will bend every fact to suit their agenda. A more dishonest group of people I have never met.
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1. That's not what he's addressing here. You know it, so you're being willfully obtuse in support of your pet cause. 2. If you think those things are totally unrelated then youve been misinformed about the history here. Islamist Jihadists stoked by their leadership on the orders of Soviet backing is WHY they do not have a state, and is WHY the borders are now closed after having been wide open for 30 years, which benefitted everyone except the jihadi leadership and their Soviet backers. The jihadis got their way. And kept getting their way. And that society is more radicalized now then it's ever been. So yes, social attitudes have had a big role to play in the lack of sovereignty these people suffer. If you want it to change stop allowing blame to fall elsewhere as it only emboldens the jihadis who wrecked it all for everyone in the first place.
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@oxix8323 no.
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Another superb video. Thank you PragerU.
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@neuropete1 So instead of taking the argument apart on its merits and offering your alternative, you slap a judgemental label on it and attempt to make others afraid to consider it for fear of personal judgement. nothing at all to do with the argument. Talk about lame. Typical. And lame.
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@jz2jnz I'll check it out. Thank you. One thing I'll say is that you can imagine the decision to drop the bomb was not taken lightly. I'm wary of reenvisioned history designed to paint the West in the worst possible light, I recognize the popularity of that among so many in the West(suicidally). I'd be very careful of what you find on YouTube. Not saying this is that, just an FYI. I'll check it out-thank you.
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You're narrowing it too much. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all consider homosexuality a sin. But no Christian or Jewish nation is killing and imprisoning them in this day and age. Most Muslim countries do. Sin or not, homosexuality exists and those people need to be protected. Prager U is trying to sort out one of the oddest phenomenons among the israel hate fetishists, the queer Israel hater. In Israel gays have full rights and protection under the law. It suggests the bully human rights abuser narrative about Israel is missing something. As its of particular interest to gay people, he addressed them with it directly. That's the story.
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@markaxworthy2508 this is exhausting. Just one point for now. I'm too tired. You forgot about the 800k to 1 mil jews violently expelled from mid eastern and North African countries once Israel became a state. Nobody talks about them. More later if I can stomach it. Hey, why only Israel? Why do you spend so much time and effort arguing to delegitimize it- alone, and no other place on earth? And, do you really think the world would be better off with yet another authoritarian islamic dictatorship to go with the 55 others rather than the pluralistic, diverse, first world democracy that currently exists there? You really want to destroy Israel and cast all its Jews around the world again for that? No there are no Jews in the PA. Not one. A Jew takes his life in his hands just by walking into Area A or the wrong part of Area B. There are zero Jews in the government of the Palestinian Authority. Unlike the Israeli Knesset which is 20% Arab.
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Go get em. Im disgusted by youtube.
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If militia groups ever exacted a toll on American troops, and we know that they did, and if they were equipped by Iran which you admit that they were, there is your answer. Thank you for your service though your comment makes me wonder if you are just saying that for the purposes of your comment.
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God bless you Sir!
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paperplane-db8qf Arabs made up the last Israeli government. It's a matter of public record. Why don't you look it up? An Arab judge sentenced a former Israeli pm to prison. Look it up. What's the matter with you?
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paperplane-db8qf yeah I added Gaza by mistake since that's the usual go to.
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paperplane-db8qf Hamas is of course in Judea/west bank. It's everywhere. Many of their leaders grew up there and still live there. It's durisdiction is Gaza but it operates all over the place. Israelis don't break up peaceful protests with live fire. That's propeganda. However Hamas does. You can see footage of it. Anything Hamas does speaks to its charter, which aims to destroy Israel and kill all Jews in the name of 'islam'. So nothing it uses as an excuse for its violence is valid, whether it actually happened or not.
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@TheCatsMeoooow Palestinian Israelis aka Arab Israelis are fully integrated in Israeli society and not 'apart' in any way. Palestinians in disputed territories are not citizens so have no defined rights inside Israel. There is not aparthied however as they own land and have access to schools, jobs, etc. There is the myth of aparthied, this is anti Israeli propeganda, and it's important to ask if your outrage extends to any of the zillions of other hotspots and conflicts around the world right now, or if it's only Israel on which you focus and boil. 5 million. Dead in DRC. Millions dead in Syria. Massive torture and death in Iran. Afghanistan. Lebanon a failed stats due to Hezbollah. 3 million Muslims interred in China. Etc etc. Israel is a dot on the map in all possible ways. But is it all you focus on? Then the problem is with you.
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That's not what happened here. However that's what the Arabs wanted and have attempted to do several times over. Its specifically written into the charters of Hammas, Hizbollah and Fatah in fact. Had they won at any point you can be sure theyd be giving none of it back. They won't even let them have what they have.
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@patrickbuchler686 so 4 more Israelis shot today. Another stabbed a week ago and then a shooting rampage two weeks before that. Does amnesty international have anything to say about it? 'lol' Or human rights watch? Whose own founder came out in opposition for the direction they'd taken and for their selective outrage about Israel?. Bupkiss, as usual. Fair? Unbiased? They rarely comment on how horribly Palestinian leadership treats their own civilians, which is the REAL source of Palestinian suffering. Dont believe me? See mosab Hassan yousefs speech before the un to get a sense of it. To say nothing of the corruption, leaving regular Palestinians with just a few hours of electricity a day, issues with water etc while leaders of Hamas and Fatah enjoy 200 $ meals in Turkish restaurants and lavish lifestyles from misappropriated millions from international donations to the Palestinian people. THAT is a human rights crime. Life is good as a 'freedom fighter' which is why none of their leadership would ever agree to a state. THAT is a human rights crime. (Of course Hamas etc is committed to the violent destruction of Israel so they'd never agree for that reason.) Spare me. Look into it closely enough and you'll see. .I'm sorry to burst your bubble.
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@keithiverson2644 if they were conquored off their land and according to you conquored to get it back, why are you only upset about their recovering it and not their losing it? Anyway they didn't conquor their way back, some never left. Many bought their land from ottomans when they opened it up for purchasing to raise money. Many immigrated. The nations were later asked to share the land once the Ottomans and the Austro Hungarians were finished. The Jews accepted, the Arabs didn't. The Arabs lost the war they started. That's it. Then over and over. This case should long ago have been closed.
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@patrickbuchler686 good, there is.
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@poorindiansanddogsarenotal1276 'you Muslims' don't plan to stop at Israel, whose Jews and state were there for thousands of years before Islam existed. You plan to do to the entire world what you did to Africa and the mid East in 680. To kill everyone who isn't interested.
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user-my2yb3yj7w neither have most of the Arabs.
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@casebased8391 yes I know and agree..Jewish self determination ended when the Romans destroyed their state. I was referring to the situation under the Ottomans. I'll go back and reread my post to make sure I didn't mess that up. Thanks for the notice.
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@casebased8391 you're right it was unclear. I corrected it. Thank you.
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